The title was from a comment in the London Times on this story about Carbon Taxes on air travel to/from Britain. h/t to Leif Svalgaard.
Passengers face new tax to halt rise in air travel
Tens of billions of pounds will have to be raised through flight taxes to compensate developing countries for the damage air travel does to the environment, according to the Government’s advisory body on climate change.
Ticket prices should rise steadily over time to deter air travel and ensure that carbon dioxide emissions from aviation fall back to 2005 levels, the Committee on Climate Change says. It believes that airlines should be forced to share the burden of meeting Britain’s commitment to an 80 per cent cut in emissions by 2050.
The Times has learnt that it may challenge the Government’s decision to approve a third runway at Heathrow, suggesting that this would be inconsistent with that commitment.
The committee was established under last year’s Climate Change Act. It has a strong influence on government policy and proposed the 80 per cent target accepted by ministers.
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Industry estimates suggest that the average passenger would pay less than £10 extra per return ticket when aviation joins the EU emissions trading scheme in 2012. This would depend on the price of allowances to emit CO2, which is expected to rise over time.
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so in keeping with the doom and gloom of Copenhagen: Lets just stop living and breathing. Those who refuse and continue to live have a great onus of guilt on their heads and will burn in a governmental hellfire, pay more for ordinary things and feel guiltier for venturing out their own front doors.
i think depression and mass depression is going to be the biggest world illness in years to come
I learned two things from this atricle:
1. The labor Government is history come the next election.
2. What a quango is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quango). What a truly frightening concept. Of course, that is what MoveOn and ACORN are becoming. Quangos. Gee, I miss Thomas Jefferson.
Energy is the life blood of every economy. If we used our brains to promote nuclear and particle free coal we could easily save (US) figures, 400 billion a year. The man made energy crisis over a year ago cost another 300 billion for over a year. We are now spending additional billions bailing out bankers instead of promoting inexpensive energy and creating real jobs.
A developed energy abundant society can far better deal with real problems such as potable water, particulate pollution etc; and will naturally have less population growth.
I think we have gone insane.
Urederra
If you live in London that is a very good way to get to Paris. The vast majority of people don’t. It’s a completely impractical way for me to get there
Its horses for courses-
tonyb
There’s the “Top Gear” solution: Cross the Channel in a car, at an estimated 150 MPH.
Oh it can get worse…
http://minx.cc/?post=292012
PS–proceed to the comments, gently.
AoS regulars are rather ‘salty’ in their contempt for ‘warmists’ and tend to be rather ‘blunt’ with their views.
P Wilson (07:37:58) :
“However what is interesting: It takes the same emissions to fly 200 passengers on the same plane as 10 passengers:”
Not sure that is correct as 10 passengers weigh a lot less than 200 and less fuel is required, or burnt.
By the way, I came across this quote some time ago:
“You can travel up and down the UK for years before you use up your share of petrol in a single plane journey”. I did argue with the author on this but I didn’t sense any realisation of the wrongness of this statement.
OT: Eco-conscious pianist in Cincinnati…
“Tuesday, September 08, 2009
Eco-conscious pianist to encore in concert at Xavier Oct. 4
Contributed By Don Bedwell | ShareThis
Xavier’s Classical Piano Series welcomes back Soyeon Lee for a concert at 2:30 p.m. Sunday, Oct. 4, in the university’s Gallagher Student Center Theater.
The 27-year-old pianist will perform selections from Beethoven, Chopin, Brahms and Scarlatti.
She has appeared with the Cleveland, London and Seoul Symphonies and others, earning a cover profile in “Symphony” magazine and an invitation to perform for a second time at the Van Cliburn International Competition earlier this year.
Lee, who moved from South Korea to the U.S. when she was nine, remained in this country five years later when her piano skills earned a scholarship to the Interlochen Arts Academy. She progressed to the Juilliard School, winning a Concert Artists Guild competition that earned her a debut at Carnegie Hall’s Alice Tully Hall in February 2008.
Passionate about the environment as well as her music, Lee turned that “Re!nvented” concert into an eco-event. In cooperation with her husband Tom Szaky’s Terracyle Co. and an organic tea company, she performed in a concert gown fashioned of recycled aluminum drink pouches collected by school children.
She performed some of the numbers from that “Re!nvented” concert – featuring“recycled” works from the masters – during her Xavier concert last year. “Re!nvented” also became the title of her latest CD.”
Sorry. …200 passengers and their luggage…
“Tens of billions of pounds will have to be raised through flight taxes to compensate developing countries for the damage air travel does to the environment, according to the Government’s advisory body on climate change.”
First, prove that there is damage from air travel, then we’ll talk.
Come to think of it, I was following an Amish buggy the other day in my F-150 SuperCrew. I was so busy getting the photo that I forgot to feel guilty about spewing CO2. Let me now take a moment to reflect on my environmental sin…OK, time’s up.
Slightly off topic, but the UK Telegraph has a truly great article: ‘Contraception cheapest way to combat climate change’ at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6161742/Contraception-cheapest-way-to-combat-climate-change.html
Other than ignoring that most European countries are no longer maintaining their populations by reproduction but rather through immigration; the article also includes this wonderful bit of arithmetic: “UN data suggests that meeting unmet need for family planning would reduce unintended births by 72 per cent, reducing projected world population in 2050 by half a billion to 8.64 million.”
A Marxist Coup, destroying our entire society, is taking place as we speak and nobody is protesting!
It’s incredible.
For some reason, this seems apropos:
Hurlingham Park, alas, is now far too small a venue to suffice for all the potential contestants. I suggest making this a daily event and moving it to Rungrado May Day Stadium in Pyongyang.
Mick (01:14:07) :
Human sacrifice anyone?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/richard-alleyne/6146656/Maybe-religion-is-the-answer-claims-atheist-scientist.html
Of course!…The GREEN RELIGION!
and why not green shirts and green concentration camps?
Lucy Skywalker: That’s brilliant. I look forward to reading your reearch much more thoroughly. Keep up the good work!
Ron de Haan (09:43:53) :
A Marxist Coup, destroying our entire society, is taking place as we speak and nobody is protesting!
We are waiting for the US cavalry !..They are at the UN, its assembly president is the nicaraguan sandinist guerrilla man: MIGUEL D’ESCOTO who recently gave a UN prize to the cuban dictator Fidel Castro.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/bio4022.doc.htm
Price Carbon Offsets crashes to $ 0.25
http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/09/plunging-prices-at-chicago-climate.html
Via Climate Depot
A Marxist Coup….where do we start? There is so much nonsense on so many fronts. I can’t believe what is happening in this country (the UK); and nowhere is safe from it. This AGW nonsense is everywhere; nowhere will escape the Fear, Control and Taxes regime, but especially not in the EUSSR.
Will those of us who do not believe in AGW be able to claim that it is our philosophical belief and therefore deserving of being respected as a religion? Or are we to be persecuted as heretics?…in our supposedly free modern society.
Ron de Haan (11:39:04) :
From the link you gave:
The $416 per tonne… multiplied by 5500 tons of carbon sequestered by one forest hectare = US$2′ 288,000 vs. amount offered by NGO’s to amazon natives, US$3.- per hectare. Then gross profit per hectare equals 2288000-3=US$2287997 (two millions, two hundred and eighty seven thousand, nine hundred and ninety seven dollars).
This is the simple reason of all this climate debate…and here we are…discussing Kelvin degrees, volumetric heat capacities, sunspots, solar minimums…
WUWT?
Annei (11:53:02) :
Or are we to be persecuted as heretics?…in our supposedly free modern society.
What do you think is more probable to happend?
Google for “whatsupwiththat” and look the links which appear below. We are already!
As fortold by the goracle, a plague of dog days shall beset all of mankind…
But this can’t be sirius!
Annei (11:53:02) :
“A Marxist Coup….where do we start? There is so much nonsense on so many fronts. I can’t believe what is happening in this country (the UK); and nowhere is safe from it. This AGW nonsense is everywhere; nowhere will escape the Fear, Control and Taxes regime, but especially not in the EUSSR.
Will those of us who do not believe in AGW be able to claim that it is our philosophical belief and therefore deserving of being respected as a religion? Or are we to be persecuted as heretics?…in our supposedly free modern society”.
Annei,
You start here: http://green-agenda.com
and here: http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/
Many of the planes in the sky over the UK (and in UK air space) are not realted to travel to and from the UK. They are, nevertheless, ‘polluting’ our airspace with their nasty CO2.
I think the government should insist in them paying a passage toll tax and enforce it by threatening to blow them out of the air. After all the nature of the problem is so important than any method used to reach the objective is entirely justified.
Isn’t it?
UK Greenee scared: “We must prevent the US Chamber of Commerce from putting Climate Chance on trial”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/sep/07/chamber-commerce-climate-change-trial
From Climate Depot.
Have you seen Plan B?
http://www.ippr.org.uk/pressreleases/?id=3710