From Roger Pielke Sr. – Guest Weblog By Syun Akasofu Of International Arctic Research Center At The University of Alaska Fairbanks

Dr. Syun Akasofu has provided us with a guest weblog based on a translation from Japanese of an article he wrote. I pleased to use my weblog to communicate viewpoints on climate science issues from credentialed climate scientists.
Recommendation to postpone the 2009 Copenhagen Conference:
The so-called “global warming” issue viewed in the context of politics and the economy of the world.
Syun Akasofu International Arctic Research Center
1. The US must have decided to drop the making of cars as their primary manufacturing activity and gave it to Japan. The Obama administration and the US public believe that enough has been done for the ailing car makers, and hope that they will be able to survive by making good electric (not fossil fuel powered) cars.
2. What does this mean? In the history of manufacturing, there has been a trend in which advanced countries lose their primary manufacturing capabilities one after another to developing countries. The textile industry in the UK was taken over by the US, then by Japan, then by China and others. The iron manufacturing industry in the UK was taken over by the US, then by Japan, and then China and other ‘catching-up’ countries. The car manufacturing industry in the UK was taken over by the US (mainly by GM), then Japan (Toyota and Honda), and some day perhaps China. This historical trend cannot be stopped. (The US tried to take over the world’s financing activities from the UK, which had lost interest in manufacturing altogether, but failed miserably in the recent days and caused the current economic recession.)
3. Then, the question is what kind of primary manufacturing industry is the US going to choose to work on in the future? It is likely that the Obama administration has chosen the construction of atomic power plants as the next great US manufacturing effort.
4. The reasons for choosing atomic power plants are obvious. First of all, the US has to secure future electric power because electricity is needed for everything, including future electric cars. The US wants to get away from its reliance on oil (and the unstable oil-producing countries), which will undoubtedly either diminish or become very expensive within the next 50 years. Reducing oil imports will reduce the great deficit. It should be noted that the primary purpose of changing from carbon power to atomic power is not necessarily to reduce the release of CO2 and global warming. It is an excuse. This will become clearer as we look into the related issues.
5. How is global warming related to atomic power? In order to understand this question, it is important to learn how the global warming issue was born. In the 1980s, Margaret Thatcher, then the British Prime Minister, came to the conclusion that the UK needed atomic power energy for their future, but she faced strong objections by her people. It was also about the time when the first crude computer simulation of the greenhouse effect of CO2 was made, and it predicted a great disaster and catastrophe due to the expected temperature rise, unless the release of CO2 could be greatly reduced.
Margaret Thatcher must have taken this result into account in promoting atomic power, asking her people to choose either atomic power or global disaster/catastrophe, which would require a great sacrifice in their standard of living in order to avoid it. Without her strong endorsement, the IPCC would not have been established. She also established the Hadley Climate Research Center for further study of the effects of CO2. Until that time, climatology was a rather quiet science (not something dealt with in newspaper headlines), but Thatcher put a great spotlight on it for her political purposes. Therefore, although the CO2 hypothesis is appropriate as a hypothesis in science, the IPCC was related to atomic power from its birth and its destiny was to predict a great disaster/catastrophe. This, in spite of the criticism that the IPCC is predicting the end of the world, although we are not doing very well at even predicting the next day’s weather or the severity of the next winter. Science was used for political purposes. At the same time, the world news media was looking for something exciting to report on because the Cold War was ending. Global warming and reporting on imaginary disasters/catastrophes caused by CO2 has become one of their major headline topics.
6. How is the history of global warming and the IPCC related to the Obama administration’s interest in atomic power plants, making the construction of atomic power plants as the new primary manufacturing industry of the US? This is because if they proposed atomic power plants by singling the issue out, they will face fierce opposition of the people. Since the Three Mile Island plant accident, there has been no atomic plant built on US soil. Therefore, the Obama administration, like Thatcher, will ask the people to choose between atomic power plants (maintaining or improving their present standard of living) or a great disaster/catastrophe caused by CO2 (actually, reducing drastically the present living standard, including not being able to drive (electric) cars).
7. For these reasons, from the perspective of the Obama administration, the greater the disaster/catastrophe predicted due to CO2, the better it is for the purpose of promoting atomic energy. As a first step toward the goal of switching to atomic power, the Obama administration states that atomic energy is “green” (meaning no air pollution), that atomic energy is “non-carbon”, and even that CO2 is “unhealthy”. Note also that Obama uses the words “climate change”, not “global warming.”
The physics of CO2, absorbing and re-emitting infrared radiation is clear. On the other hand, geophysicists must find how much heating CO2 will cause when a given amount of it is released into the complex earth system. Thus, in this situation it is meaningless and useless for the real science of global warming/climate to face off against the political decisions and propaganda for the planning of atomic power plants.
8. One problem in this particular discipline of science is that scientists who base their research on computer simulations have become too arrogant, saying that they can predict the temperature in 2100, although too much is still unknown about the earth system. Ignoring natural causes of climate change and even unknown aspects of cloud physics, they rely on computer work in predicting the temperature rise in 2100. However, a computer is like a robot. It can perform only what it is instructed to do by the programs produced by the human brain. If a computer program is incorrect or inaccurate, the output will also be incorrect or inaccurate. In science, incorrect programs or hypotheses (produced by one or a group of scientists) are criticized by other scientists and can thus be improved. That is the way science should progress. However, the IPCC regards those who criticize them as “skeptics”, or “deniers”, etc., and brought this newborn and immature science to the international stage. They stated in 2007 that scientists have done all they can and that the science is settled, and the rest of the task should be in the hands of policy makers. Such a statement is very irresponsible.
9. However, even if the US decides that its next primary manufacturing industry is the construction of atomic power plants, there will be fierce competition between the US group (US, Japan, Russia) and the French group, which has more experience than the US, at last in the safety of operation. (A further problem is that Toshiba owns much of the Westinghouse stock.) There will eventually be uranium wars in the future; energy securing wars will continue forever.
10. The Obama administration is promoting wind power and solar power. However, there is no way to supply more than 10% of the US power needs (Obama says that they should try for 20%, but has he estimated the cost involved?) It is only about 2.5% at present. In any case, 80-90% of future electric power has to be found.
11. The US has to rely on coal power plants (at present 40%), until a large number of atomic power plants can be built, perhaps about 15-20 years from now. Thus, there is no way for the US to agree on any international agreement on a near-future CO2 reduction at the present time. The US has been saying that unless China and India agree to a significant reduction of the release of CO2, any agreement is useless. On the other hand, the US has made China its factory, and furthermore the US owes a great debt to China. Unless China can remain healthy, politically and financially, and with sufficient energy, the US will have a serious problem. Therefore, the US cannot force China to reduce its CO2 emission. On the other hand, in spite of the fact that China is now “richer” than the US, it continues to claim that it is still one of the developing countries and that the developed countries should reduce their release of CO2 first. The US and China must surely understand each other, so that the above statements are only rhetorical. The IPCC chairman has stated recently that India will not agree to a “cap”. Further, global capitalism is such that the rest of the world relies on the US buying power (even if they are using credit cards), so that the US economy has to be healthy. EU officials have had a large number of conferences on the reduction of CO2, but they have not reached any conclusion they can agree on.
12. For the above reasons, is it useful to have any more conferences on global warming? How many international conferences with the heads of nations have been held in the past? There has been no substantive agreement on the amount of release of CO2 by individual countries, in spite of the fact that protecting the earth from the CO2-based disaster/catastrophe should be the most solemn duty of the heads of nations (although environmental destruction caused by global capitalism is conveniently forgotten). So far, all the past conferences ended with a “fight” between rich nations and poor nations. The latter trying to snatch money from the former using the so-called “cap and trade” as an excuse, and the former trying to protect themselves from such an assault, in spite of the fact that the “cap and trade” negotiations have no effect on reducing the overall release of CO2. It is suspected that the heads of nations do not really believe in the global disaster/catastrophe scenario caused by CO2. However, they stated they believe in the IPCC, so they cannot publicly say that they do not believe in the disaster scenario, because they and their countries would be called enemies of humanity, like George W. Bush.
13. It has been said that the only thing they agreed on at the past conferences is to decide on the time and place for the next meeting. Such conferences are useless, although they are better than a world war. It is suggested that they should postpone future meetings until the science of global warming will advance farther. It is not too late, as the proponents of global warming advocate, since there has been no predicted disaster/catastrophe after the release of CO2 increased rapidly in 1946. In the tropics and middle latitude, there has been no discernible disaster/catastrophe so far. This is why the world media flocks to the Arctic and reports on erroneous global warming effects. None of the phenomena and changes they reported are related even remotely to the CO2 effects. A good example is glacier calving at the terminus. Nevertheless, the world media reports that the changes are caused by the CO2 effect.
14. In Japan, they are overjoyed by the statements of President Obama, saying that he is quite serious about “global warming” (actually, he says “climate change” instead of global arming). They interpret his statements as a sign that the US has finally become serious about the release of CO2, and that Obama is different from George W. Bush.
15. It is very unfortunate that science is being used for political purposes. Global warming is an imaginary product used for promoting the atomic power industry. When the truth will eventually become apparent, the credibility of science will be seriously damaged, since so many scientists (not only climatologists, but also many scientists in general) blindly trusted the IPCC and accused their opponents as “skeptics” and “deniers”, etc.
16. Actually, judging by what has been described earlier, the IPCC is NOT a scientific research organization, although they skillfully mobilized 2500 “world experts in climatology”; they were used by the IPCC, some probably unwittingly. The IPCC skillfully created the impression of “consensus” among 2500 scientists. Their contribution, a large volume of publications, is conveniently used for the IPCC publication, “Summary for Policy Makers”, as an apparent back-up document, although the IPCC charter clearly states that they are not supposed to make recommendations to policy makers.
The IPCC has tried to emphasize that global warming began unexpectedly and abruptly after 1900 because of the enhanced release of CO2. However, global warming began as early as 1800-1850s at the same rate as the present (0.5°C/100 years), namely about 100 years earlier than the beginning of a rapid increase of CO2 release, as the earth began to recover from the Little Ice Age (1400-1800). The recovery from a cold period is warming. Actually, the warming until 2000 and the present cooling trend can reasonably be explained as natural changes. The IPCC has ignored natural changes as at least a partial cause of global warming, in order to promote their CO2 hypothesis.
17. The IPCC tried to ignore the fact that the earth experienced the Little Ice Age by using the co-called “hockey stick” figure, because it is not convenient to know that the global warming began in 1800-1850, and not as they claim in the 20th century. The recovery from the Little Ice Age (a cold period) is warming. How many of the 2500 scientists trust the hockey stick figure? Perhaps only very few. Is this then the “consensus” of 2,500 experts in climatology? Unfortunately, the IPCC and the world media have presented this hypothesis as a fact.
18. There is another reason for proposing the postponement of future global warming conferences. After 1998 or 2000, global temperature has stopped rising and shows a sign of cooling, in spite of the fact that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is still rapidly rising. This is an observed fact. Therefore, their temperature prediction for the year 2100 has already failed during the first 10 years. However, IPCC scientists have not recognized it, saying that it is just a temporal change; but 10 years of consistent change is considered climate change.
19. The world political leaders should be able to decide to postpone future conferences until scientists could find the causes for the present halting of global warming. Temporary or not, there must be unknown forces and causes to suppress the CO2 effect or even overcome it.
20. We should bring back the science of climate change to a basic science, avoiding interferences by policy makers and the world mass media. Only then can this particular science proceed in a scientifically healthy way. Only then can we discuss any global warming hypothesis as proponents and opponents (instead of as “believers” and “skeptics” or “deniers” in the religious sense), regardless of one side being in the majority or minority. In science, unlike in politics, a minority can be right.
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Vincent:
Just to let you know.. The ITER is trash. It’s a gigantic international money pit that IMHO will NEVER work.
Dr. Bussard was one of the men who invented torroidal plasma fusion (Tokamak)… he later realized he was wrong and moved on to IEC/Polywell.
If I was a betting man… I’d lay my $$$ on Dr Nebel over at EMC2Fusion.
Doc
PS.
Shout out to M. Simon!
http://www.theyorker.co.uk/news/blogs/3434
Flanagan (06:23:28) :
“Well, for some reason my previous answer (with links showing how well GCM predicted the last 20 year temperatures) is not appearing so, for the curious:
Chrysler is now part of Fiat, and Magna is a Canadian group which is fighting rightnow against a Brussels-based consortium to take over most of GM (including Opel/Vauxhall).”
They are not trying to take over most of GM, jus the Opel unit in Geremany, and possibly the European operations.
GM Board Brushes Off Magna Bid for Opel
August 24, 2009
http://www.autoobserver.com/2009/08/gm-board-brushes-off-magna-bid-for-opel.html
“The Wall Street Journal reported late last week the new GM board has rejected the bid of management’s favored suitor for the company’s Adam Opel AG automaking unit.
A consortium headed by Canadian auto supplier Magna International Inc. has been vying with RHJ International, a Belgian investment firm, for control of Opel, but GM leaders and much of the German government have long been reported to favor Magna, which for one thing resolved to minimize job losses in Germany, the main base of operations for Opel and the other portions of GM’s European operations up for sale.”
It has nothing to do with US production.
And your link in post (02:45:36), if that is the one you are talking about, works for me.
Did you know that the 10 year investment in fusion power research by a consortia of leading western countries is less $$$ than what ExxonMobil would made in one single quarter in 2008. (Not to mention all the taxes that ExxonMobil would have paid during that same quarter….in terms of corporate tax and royalties etc. the tax part would be several times whatever profit they were left with…yes all those taxes went to Governments…and yes ExxonMobil is big but we are only talking ONE company here)
if you get the impression that IPCC and bla bla bla Green Energy Security talk of Western Government’s is foolish if not downright stupid and inane then you would probably be right. Obviously, the money to fund future Energy solutions for the planet is available (in the form of current energy taxes) but where is the will?
Richard Courtney,
A very interesting and perspicacious analysis. However, I have one question. Why do you assert that carbon taxes would be beneficial to nations except the United States, for whom it will be detrimental?
True, the US has the highest per capita CO2 emissions, simply because they use energy less efficiently than Europeans. But that only leads to the conclusion that the US are in a better position to make a given proportional reduction than are the Europeans, because there is more slack, so to speak.
There can be no benefit to any nations that impose an energy tax upon themselves, except in Obama fantasy land, where unimaginable revenues will be generated for the Government out of thin air.
Harold Ambler,
Without checking, I’m sure that San Onofre was around long before 1983. Possibly you are referring to expansion of existing San Onofre and Diablo Canyon plants?
John
Harold Ambler:
San Onofre was around long before 1983, it was UNIT1 that shut down then and unit 2 and 3 started up in 1983. The plans for this had been put in place long before TMI.
FYI- The original San Onofre Unit-1 Power Plant was used as the “Gotham City” Atomic Reactor in the 1960s Batman TV show starring Adam West.
Diablo Canyon construction started in 1968, but operation was held up for 6 years due to lawsuits and eco-challenges. It would have been online much earlier than 1985 if not for that.
Does anyone else want the job?
Lots of people. Here’s a partial list:
_ Barack Obama, U.S. Senator from Illinois
_ Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York
_ John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina
_ Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico
_ Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio
_ Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware
_ Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska
_ Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut
_ Tom Vilsack, former Governor of Iowa
_ Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator from Indiana
_ John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona
_ Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas
_ Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts
_ Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas
_ Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee
_ Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California
_ Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City
_ Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador from Maryland
_ Sam Brownback, U.S. Senator from Kansas
_ Jim Gilmore, former Governor of Virginia
_ Tom Tancredo, former U.S. Representative from Colorado
_ Tommy Thompson, former Governor of Wisconsin
“I guarantee the BBC will have such topics rammed down our throats almost daily all the way “to Copenhagen & beyond!”, .. All the old hackneyed stories about Arctic ice melt … Antarctic ice melt, sea-level rises…”
Spot on! And it only took three hours for this story to appear exactly as forecast on the BBC. The cowards that the BBC are, they are only quoting the World Wildlife Fund, not their own conclusions, you understand.
And check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/guides/457000/457037/html/default.stm
This is the evidence upon which the BBC base their “global warming” reports, supplied, wouldn’t you know, by the IPCC. Notice the graph of the Estimated Temperature Changes in the Northern Hemisphere AD700 – 2005 has a very convenient upward-shooting squiggle from what looks to be about 1995.
This is the BBC’s blurb:
“Our world is getting warmer. Over the last 100 years the average global surface temperature has risen by about 0.74C.
This seemingly small rise has already had a significant effect on our planet.
For example, the record books have had to be re-written recently, as 11 of the 12 hottest years recorded so far have all taken place since 1995.
It is “very likely” that the rising level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is the cause of climate change, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
Human activities, such as burning fossil fuels, are the primary source behind this increase.”
……………
For a complete page of “climate change” hysteria, go here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8233632.stm
This is what we have to put up with every day in Britain, and it’s why the BBC should be renamed the British Brainwashing Corporation.
Jari (03:13:08) :
“nuclear power 82.9%,” & “3.1% coal” “I pay 0.0802 EUR/kWh. Go nuclear.”
= $0.115/kWh
In Indiana I pay 0.0468 EUR/kWh or $0.067/kWh for coal fired power – which also provides CO2 to help our corn and soybean agriculture become more prosperous. I fail to see why I should have to pay 71% more for my power to go nuclear for the “privilege” of reducing our agricultural production!
Solution – develop solar thermal power cheaper than both coal and nuclear!
I would like to congratulate BP on their discovery, announced today, of a new “giant” oilfield in the Gulf of Mexico. It is about 4 billion barrels, which exceeds their previous find in the Gulf of Mexico of 3 billion barrels.
Seven billion barrels should keep the lights on for quite a while. Well done BP.
Corey
yes, the link finally works but it took ages before the comment got published!
My remarks with respect to Magna, Fiat, RHJ, etc. are to be considered in view of the original post stating that “The car manufacturing industry in the UK was taken over by the US (mainly by GM), then Japan (Toyota and Honda), and some day perhaps China.” This is over-simplified, at best. Important manufacturers are found in Europe (Germany, Belgium, Slovakia, etc.), South America, Asia of course, …
to Nogw
re-radiation from the earth represents a tiny fraction of the energy budget. All the heating is done from the sun which heats oceans and land mass, via shortwave. This represents the optimum temperature possible.
When what is left is converted into longwave, the energy loss is such that there is no way that it could take land or sea surface temperatures to a higher level than the already achieved optimum. For starters, longwave radiation cannot penetrate oceans. Superadded to this is the effect of c02, which the following analogy might put into perspective: A normally fit and healthy individual who drinks 2 litres of water a day, from this minus perspiration, urination etc.. increases his water intake by 2 millilitres per day.
This extra 2ml per day sends this individual into a tipping point and runs the risk of dangerous side effects and biological catastrophe.
this is the best anaology of the c02 thesis and what we’re being told.
Of course, this hypothetical extra 2ml is probably entirely beneficial and benign
Mike from Canmore 07: 38: 35
Magna’s subsidiary Magna-Steyr, manufactures a lot of complete cars in Austria on behalf of other companies, such as Mercedes-Benz and BMW.
Vincent:
Thankyou for your interest in my item at
http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm
You ask me:
“Why do you assert that carbon taxes would be beneficial to nations except the United States, for whom it will be detrimental?”
I address this in the article where I say:
“The USA is the world’s most powerful economy and is the most intensive energy user. If all countries adopted ‘carbon taxes’, or other universal proportionate reductions in industrial activity, each non-US industrialised country would gain economic benefit over the United States.”
The effect is like handicapping in a horse race. The handicapping in a horse race causes each horse to slow down but every horse gains relative to the fastest. The handicapping of universal ‘carbon taxes’ (or other universal proportionate reductions in industrial activity) cause the commercial and industrial activity of each country to slow down but each country gains an ability to compete against larger economies. The effect is to induce transfer of economic activity from larger economies to smaller ones.
The US had such a dominant economy that everybody would obtain a net gain from the handicapping except for the US which would lose economic activity. Simply, the handicapping would result in a redistribution of economic activity with every country gaining economic activity at the cost of the US losing economic activity.
The total effect would be a net loss of economic activity by the entire world. But the redistribution of the total economic activity would provide a gain of economic activity by every country except the US (and the US would lose economic activity).
However, if a few nations adopted the constraints then they would increase their manufacturing, transportation and energy costs and thus lose economic competitiveness and industrial activity to all other nations. Indeed, occurred as an effect of the Kyoto Protocol because much economic activity was encouraged to transfer from developed countries (Annex A) that accepted the constraints to developing (Annex B) countries that were not constrained.
I hope this brief explanation is clear.
Richard
As ever, posts on WUWT that go beyond the climate science provide much pause for thought, but I had stopped reading through the whole blog as it was giving me such a poor impression of American political intellect – where greens, fascists, communists, socialists and some other category intent on the destruction of world capitalism are all interchangeable epithets, implying no real distinction and thus betraying a deeply disturbing ignorance of world history.
Can someone please explain how socialist/commie/green Obama seeks to destroy the US (and world) economy by giving £700 billion to Wall Street? He surely is advised that Wall Street will invest this money in the regions of the world where capitalist ‘growth’ is still happening – and maintain the credit crunch on the stricken zero growth areas (as also happened in the UK). Perhaps he has a deeper cunning plan – like, give them more rope and they will hang themselves? But I don’t think so – he is simply advised that the bankers know best.
And on Thatcher and nukes. I sat down with Arthur Scargill in 1984 to try and work some alliance between the ‘greens’ (of which I was a strategists and activist) and the miners who were trying to defend their communities and way of life. Scargill and his henchmen were a nightmare to work with – thoroughly manipulative, narrow minded and undemocratic, and we broke off negotiations. I thought that whatever his personal motivations, Scargill’s actions would destroy the miners as surely as Thatcher wanted. Instead of picketing nuclear stations, they picketed their own mines.
And the Thatcher agenda was not nuclear – that was already well underway under previous political administrations. In fact – post-Thatcher, only one nuclear station, the US-designed PWR at Sizewell was commissioned – after an inquiry in 1983, and it came on stream sometime in the late 90s. She could have blasted ahead as the French did by tear-gassing the opposition on-site (including myself), under the political dictum ‘we don’t consult the frogs when draining the marsh’. French nuclear power is a state-run corporate monopoly, with the real costs, waste problem and hazards well covered by state secrecy. Is that what US apologists really want?
Other commentators think the green movement was funded by Russia – that is lamentable. I was there at the outset. It was funded by James Goldsmith, the arch-capitalist, by virtue of his brother, Edward – and amounted to a few (very few) thousand pounds for office costs and travel expenses. I was also there at the beginning of Greenpeace (as a science advisor) – and knew all the directors personally. Not a penny came from any political or business source – it was all public donation – and it was our team that eventually stopped nuclear reprocessing in German and Sweden, nuclear dumping in the oceans, UK weapons testing in Nevada, Fast Breeders in Germany, other toxic waste dumping and incineration at sea and also paved the way for the Clean Production Strategies enshrined in modern law.
Whilst I will be the first to agree that the ‘greens’ have lost sight of reality where global warming is concerned, and that they promote completely unrealistic supposedly renewable energy solutions – many of which will damage both community and biodiversity across the planet far more certainly than will climate change, the situation will not be improved by their critics putting themselves in equal denial of reality – nuclear options cannot solve the problem created by dwindling oil supplies and the end of the era of cheap fuel. Fast breeder reactors and fusion are illusions maintained for ‘jobs for the boys’ – they are vastly more expensive and cannot be rolled out on any scale and timing relevant to this crisis and are just as much an illusion as wind/solar/biofuels. Hydrogen cars will be ten times the cost of today’s cars, even allowing fro economies of scale and reduced production costs. The era of the private car is nearing its end – entirely on cost grounds.
At some point, a world leader may stand up and say ‘there is no solution to the energy question, other than to get used to it running out and using less’. But that will be a brave leader.
Meanwhile, the real threats to peace and world order lie more with our vulnerability to natural climate cycles, precarious world food supplies, and fragile economies – these risks are with us today and will bite harder over the next ten years – that is, before any climate policies can take effect, or any new technologies developed.
And all of this, including a bit of green history, is rehearsed in my as-yet little-reviewed book ‘Chill: a reassessment of global warming theory’, which looks at both the IPCC false consensus – as ably described by Prof Akasofu, and the politics of delusion and collusion that has afflicted the ‘greens’. We are not served by the current alliance of government/greens/renewable energy advocates but it is as well to understand the forces at work, rather than simply conflate all into a single meaningless enemy entity. If the US signs up to cap-and-trade, it will be the arch-capitalist business-man Al Gore who benefits most, along with his buddies drawn from Goldman Sachs in Generation Investment Management and thousands of carbon brokers and carbon banks worldwide. The man is not green, nor is he fascist, socialist, communist or stupid. He is very clever and wants in on the high-table. Better to really understand the motives of such a man, than label and denigrate and hence avoid real and effective action.
Actually that would be Copernicus. Galileo simply confirmed Copernican theory and made it more publicized…
Predicted? So they model runs prior to 1990 were spot on? Why such a short time frame?
Not to mention, there’s simply no way for them to know if they “predicted” for the right reasons. As I understand it, they take an ensemble of runs and average them, and somehow that’s meant to represent reality. Some model runs could have gotten it “right” purely by chance. So they pick the ones that look “right” and voila, instant postdiction.
I much doubt Obama has plans for nuclear power. There is no evidence of that and Jerry Pournelle’s Iron Law ensures that he is unlikely to receive good advice to move in that direction. It would have been better to spend a good percentage of the stimulus package on cheap energy.
There are good fission solutions, like Liquid Thorium Salt Reactors, that can even burn the radwaste from existing reactors and only produce 0.1% of the waste of the existing generation of plants. Government regulations ensure that they can’t be commercialized until one has been ”demonstrated to be safe” for ten years. Forget all the past research experience. Using thorium would eliminate any uranium wars.
Pebble Bed reactors, whilst not as good, can be approved, and China is starting a production line to make them in quantity. Perhaps we can buy them at a discount in order to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. The Traveling Wave Reactor looks interesting too.
Fusion may not be that far off. Not the government sponsored $19 billion ITER Tokomak dinosaur (that can never be economical even if they get it to work) but one of the several other ideas being worked on by small private companies. These include Focus Fusion’s DB-11 fusion reactor, General Fusion’s Magnetized Target Fusion, Helion Energy & Tri Alpha’s linear approach and the Polywell.
The thing needed for transition to electric vehicles is a better storage battery. I hope EEStor’s 52kWh ultracapacitor works out. In EEStor’s patent of December 2008 they claim their 52kWh EESU (storage unit) is safe, weighs 281.5 pounds and can be charged in 5 minutes. This would allow electric cars to have the same range as gas powered ones and has countless other uses, including leveling the grid and much improving the practicality of wind & solar power. Production is due to start this year, but there are many who doubt if it is real.
Richard S Courtney :(6:57:31) :
As regards your investigation of the “acid rain” scare , what did you find about ” acid rain” ? Was it baseless ? I ask because , if memory serves , in N America the problem seemed to be with evergreen trees in Eastern Canada and the US – mostly in the Appalachians . I seem to remember thinking that the apparent lack of damage to hardwoods was peculiar . Years later , I saw similar patches of dead and dying pine and spruce in the Western US . This die off proved to be a result of pine bark beetle infestation brought on primarily by drought and poor forestry management . Pine bark beetles continue to be a problem throughout Western NA , although said infestation is now blamed on climate change , at least in part .
Nuclear is nuts, period. Nobody in their right mind will build these things, unless heavily subsidized by government. France’s reactors are heavily subsidized.
The cost to build a Mod III reactor is roughly $10,000 per kW, meaning a twin-reactor, 2200 MW nuclear plant will cost $22 billion, if built in the U.S. There are published cost estimates in this range. The power sales price to pay off the capital and operating costs will be 30 to 40 cents per kWh — not the optimistic figure of 3 to 4 cents so often quoted by the nuclear advocates.
The Finnish reactor, currently being built by France’s Areva, using their modern reactor design, is many years behind in schedule, and billions of Euros over-budget. The South Texas Nuclear Project expansion is hotly debated today, as it is probably closest to becoming a reality. Yet, the company’s cost estimates are far lower than the true costs, just like the last time they built in the 70’s.
WUWT had a long discussion on this a few weeks ago, and I write about this on my blog http://sowellslawblog.blogspot.com/search?q=nuclear, and in particular on my blog entry titled Nuclear Nuts.
Natural gas and coal are by far superior means of producing power for low cost and reliability.
As to Dr. Akasofu’s assertion that manufacturing follows cheap labor, that is only partly true. Factory automation makes the cost of labor immaterial. The industries that cannot be automated, or where the cost of automation is too high, will remain labor intensive. What drove the industries out of the USA were labor Unions, and their extortionistic tactics to increase pay scales, reduce work hours, and increase benefit packages. The chickens are coming home to roost on that one, as the automobile manufacturers have demonstrated.
Jeff Alberts (09:41:46) Indeed it was Copernicus, but Galileo took the flak as he represented a challenge to papal authority and was forced to recant on pin of death. He also took the flak for contradicting some of Aristotle’s logical assertions (such as that which states an object weighing 10 times as much as another object will reach the ground 10 times more quickly from the same height).
oops “pain” of death
Obama hasn’t said a word about nuclear power, and he’s had plenty of opportunities.
While it may have it’s flaws, at least nuclear power could feasibly address our energy needs, as opposed to the utter fantasy of those who continue to ignorantly claim that solar and wind are the answer.
Peter Taylor, it is very good to read the points you make but one area that I disagree, as I disagree with all who advocate it, is that we are not short of HC energy. The planet is awash with cheap oil and gas. Gas prices are falling and oil is too after a false bear run. We have doubled proven reserves twice since 1970 and I believe that we will do it again. There will never be peak oil or peak gas because supply and demand will always balance by price as long as ecologists and politicians keep out of it and leave the market and human ingenuity to sort things out as they will. We will have to make the transition to non-HC energy and I believe that nuclear is the only way if we want to maintain our standard of living and our mobility and freedom from control via petrol, hybrid or eventually electric cars. To deprive ourselves of, if necessary, maximising the use of HC energy on the basis of a bogus scientific hypothesis is the idiot way forward. We have to stop the ecological hooliganism that man is responsible for, we have to stop world poverty but I do not believe that we have to take immediate and massive steps to reduce population or CO2 emissions, these will happen naturally as we continue our wonderful evolution. The catastrophists have always been wrong and they are especially so now but they are winning the argument via propaganda. They are the defeated left in disguise and they are now doing under the green banner what they had no hope of doing under the red flag.
@richard S Courtney (09:37:49) :
Not following your logic in anyway whatsoever. You’re saying that by locking a ball and chain around their economic legs, countries will benefit?
Is the idea of a carbon tax to hobble a country’s economy to an extent that it loses any advantages it has? Tax a country unequally (some more than other, some less than others) so as to create equal results?