From Roger Pielke Sr. – Guest Weblog By Syun Akasofu Of International Arctic Research Center At The University of Alaska Fairbanks

Dr. Syun Akasofu has provided us with a guest weblog based on a translation from Japanese of an article he wrote. I pleased to use my weblog to communicate viewpoints on climate science issues from credentialed climate scientists.
Recommendation to postpone the 2009 Copenhagen Conference:
The so-called “global warming” issue viewed in the context of politics and the economy of the world.
Syun Akasofu International Arctic Research Center
1. The US must have decided to drop the making of cars as their primary manufacturing activity and gave it to Japan. The Obama administration and the US public believe that enough has been done for the ailing car makers, and hope that they will be able to survive by making good electric (not fossil fuel powered) cars.
2. What does this mean? In the history of manufacturing, there has been a trend in which advanced countries lose their primary manufacturing capabilities one after another to developing countries. The textile industry in the UK was taken over by the US, then by Japan, then by China and others. The iron manufacturing industry in the UK was taken over by the US, then by Japan, and then China and other ‘catching-up’ countries. The car manufacturing industry in the UK was taken over by the US (mainly by GM), then Japan (Toyota and Honda), and some day perhaps China. This historical trend cannot be stopped. (The US tried to take over the world’s financing activities from the UK, which had lost interest in manufacturing altogether, but failed miserably in the recent days and caused the current economic recession.)
3. Then, the question is what kind of primary manufacturing industry is the US going to choose to work on in the future? It is likely that the Obama administration has chosen the construction of atomic power plants as the next great US manufacturing effort.
4. The reasons for choosing atomic power plants are obvious. First of all, the US has to secure future electric power because electricity is needed for everything, including future electric cars. The US wants to get away from its reliance on oil (and the unstable oil-producing countries), which will undoubtedly either diminish or become very expensive within the next 50 years. Reducing oil imports will reduce the great deficit. It should be noted that the primary purpose of changing from carbon power to atomic power is not necessarily to reduce the release of CO2 and global warming. It is an excuse. This will become clearer as we look into the related issues.
5. How is global warming related to atomic power? In order to understand this question, it is important to learn how the global warming issue was born. In the 1980s, Margaret Thatcher, then the British Prime Minister, came to the conclusion that the UK needed atomic power energy for their future, but she faced strong objections by her people. It was also about the time when the first crude computer simulation of the greenhouse effect of CO2 was made, and it predicted a great disaster and catastrophe due to the expected temperature rise, unless the release of CO2 could be greatly reduced.
Margaret Thatcher must have taken this result into account in promoting atomic power, asking her people to choose either atomic power or global disaster/catastrophe, which would require a great sacrifice in their standard of living in order to avoid it. Without her strong endorsement, the IPCC would not have been established. She also established the Hadley Climate Research Center for further study of the effects of CO2. Until that time, climatology was a rather quiet science (not something dealt with in newspaper headlines), but Thatcher put a great spotlight on it for her political purposes. Therefore, although the CO2 hypothesis is appropriate as a hypothesis in science, the IPCC was related to atomic power from its birth and its destiny was to predict a great disaster/catastrophe. This, in spite of the criticism that the IPCC is predicting the end of the world, although we are not doing very well at even predicting the next day’s weather or the severity of the next winter. Science was used for political purposes. At the same time, the world news media was looking for something exciting to report on because the Cold War was ending. Global warming and reporting on imaginary disasters/catastrophes caused by CO2 has become one of their major headline topics.
6. How is the history of global warming and the IPCC related to the Obama administration’s interest in atomic power plants, making the construction of atomic power plants as the new primary manufacturing industry of the US? This is because if they proposed atomic power plants by singling the issue out, they will face fierce opposition of the people. Since the Three Mile Island plant accident, there has been no atomic plant built on US soil. Therefore, the Obama administration, like Thatcher, will ask the people to choose between atomic power plants (maintaining or improving their present standard of living) or a great disaster/catastrophe caused by CO2 (actually, reducing drastically the present living standard, including not being able to drive (electric) cars).
7. For these reasons, from the perspective of the Obama administration, the greater the disaster/catastrophe predicted due to CO2, the better it is for the purpose of promoting atomic energy. As a first step toward the goal of switching to atomic power, the Obama administration states that atomic energy is “green” (meaning no air pollution), that atomic energy is “non-carbon”, and even that CO2 is “unhealthy”. Note also that Obama uses the words “climate change”, not “global warming.”
The physics of CO2, absorbing and re-emitting infrared radiation is clear. On the other hand, geophysicists must find how much heating CO2 will cause when a given amount of it is released into the complex earth system. Thus, in this situation it is meaningless and useless for the real science of global warming/climate to face off against the political decisions and propaganda for the planning of atomic power plants.
8. One problem in this particular discipline of science is that scientists who base their research on computer simulations have become too arrogant, saying that they can predict the temperature in 2100, although too much is still unknown about the earth system. Ignoring natural causes of climate change and even unknown aspects of cloud physics, they rely on computer work in predicting the temperature rise in 2100. However, a computer is like a robot. It can perform only what it is instructed to do by the programs produced by the human brain. If a computer program is incorrect or inaccurate, the output will also be incorrect or inaccurate. In science, incorrect programs or hypotheses (produced by one or a group of scientists) are criticized by other scientists and can thus be improved. That is the way science should progress. However, the IPCC regards those who criticize them as “skeptics”, or “deniers”, etc., and brought this newborn and immature science to the international stage. They stated in 2007 that scientists have done all they can and that the science is settled, and the rest of the task should be in the hands of policy makers. Such a statement is very irresponsible.
9. However, even if the US decides that its next primary manufacturing industry is the construction of atomic power plants, there will be fierce competition between the US group (US, Japan, Russia) and the French group, which has more experience than the US, at last in the safety of operation. (A further problem is that Toshiba owns much of the Westinghouse stock.) There will eventually be uranium wars in the future; energy securing wars will continue forever.
10. The Obama administration is promoting wind power and solar power. However, there is no way to supply more than 10% of the US power needs (Obama says that they should try for 20%, but has he estimated the cost involved?) It is only about 2.5% at present. In any case, 80-90% of future electric power has to be found.
11. The US has to rely on coal power plants (at present 40%), until a large number of atomic power plants can be built, perhaps about 15-20 years from now. Thus, there is no way for the US to agree on any international agreement on a near-future CO2 reduction at the present time. The US has been saying that unless China and India agree to a significant reduction of the release of CO2, any agreement is useless. On the other hand, the US has made China its factory, and furthermore the US owes a great debt to China. Unless China can remain healthy, politically and financially, and with sufficient energy, the US will have a serious problem. Therefore, the US cannot force China to reduce its CO2 emission. On the other hand, in spite of the fact that China is now “richer” than the US, it continues to claim that it is still one of the developing countries and that the developed countries should reduce their release of CO2 first. The US and China must surely understand each other, so that the above statements are only rhetorical. The IPCC chairman has stated recently that India will not agree to a “cap”. Further, global capitalism is such that the rest of the world relies on the US buying power (even if they are using credit cards), so that the US economy has to be healthy. EU officials have had a large number of conferences on the reduction of CO2, but they have not reached any conclusion they can agree on.
12. For the above reasons, is it useful to have any more conferences on global warming? How many international conferences with the heads of nations have been held in the past? There has been no substantive agreement on the amount of release of CO2 by individual countries, in spite of the fact that protecting the earth from the CO2-based disaster/catastrophe should be the most solemn duty of the heads of nations (although environmental destruction caused by global capitalism is conveniently forgotten). So far, all the past conferences ended with a “fight” between rich nations and poor nations. The latter trying to snatch money from the former using the so-called “cap and trade” as an excuse, and the former trying to protect themselves from such an assault, in spite of the fact that the “cap and trade” negotiations have no effect on reducing the overall release of CO2. It is suspected that the heads of nations do not really believe in the global disaster/catastrophe scenario caused by CO2. However, they stated they believe in the IPCC, so they cannot publicly say that they do not believe in the disaster scenario, because they and their countries would be called enemies of humanity, like George W. Bush.
13. It has been said that the only thing they agreed on at the past conferences is to decide on the time and place for the next meeting. Such conferences are useless, although they are better than a world war. It is suggested that they should postpone future meetings until the science of global warming will advance farther. It is not too late, as the proponents of global warming advocate, since there has been no predicted disaster/catastrophe after the release of CO2 increased rapidly in 1946. In the tropics and middle latitude, there has been no discernible disaster/catastrophe so far. This is why the world media flocks to the Arctic and reports on erroneous global warming effects. None of the phenomena and changes they reported are related even remotely to the CO2 effects. A good example is glacier calving at the terminus. Nevertheless, the world media reports that the changes are caused by the CO2 effect.
14. In Japan, they are overjoyed by the statements of President Obama, saying that he is quite serious about “global warming” (actually, he says “climate change” instead of global arming). They interpret his statements as a sign that the US has finally become serious about the release of CO2, and that Obama is different from George W. Bush.
15. It is very unfortunate that science is being used for political purposes. Global warming is an imaginary product used for promoting the atomic power industry. When the truth will eventually become apparent, the credibility of science will be seriously damaged, since so many scientists (not only climatologists, but also many scientists in general) blindly trusted the IPCC and accused their opponents as “skeptics” and “deniers”, etc.
16. Actually, judging by what has been described earlier, the IPCC is NOT a scientific research organization, although they skillfully mobilized 2500 “world experts in climatology”; they were used by the IPCC, some probably unwittingly. The IPCC skillfully created the impression of “consensus” among 2500 scientists. Their contribution, a large volume of publications, is conveniently used for the IPCC publication, “Summary for Policy Makers”, as an apparent back-up document, although the IPCC charter clearly states that they are not supposed to make recommendations to policy makers.
The IPCC has tried to emphasize that global warming began unexpectedly and abruptly after 1900 because of the enhanced release of CO2. However, global warming began as early as 1800-1850s at the same rate as the present (0.5°C/100 years), namely about 100 years earlier than the beginning of a rapid increase of CO2 release, as the earth began to recover from the Little Ice Age (1400-1800). The recovery from a cold period is warming. Actually, the warming until 2000 and the present cooling trend can reasonably be explained as natural changes. The IPCC has ignored natural changes as at least a partial cause of global warming, in order to promote their CO2 hypothesis.
17. The IPCC tried to ignore the fact that the earth experienced the Little Ice Age by using the co-called “hockey stick” figure, because it is not convenient to know that the global warming began in 1800-1850, and not as they claim in the 20th century. The recovery from the Little Ice Age (a cold period) is warming. How many of the 2500 scientists trust the hockey stick figure? Perhaps only very few. Is this then the “consensus” of 2,500 experts in climatology? Unfortunately, the IPCC and the world media have presented this hypothesis as a fact.
18. There is another reason for proposing the postponement of future global warming conferences. After 1998 or 2000, global temperature has stopped rising and shows a sign of cooling, in spite of the fact that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is still rapidly rising. This is an observed fact. Therefore, their temperature prediction for the year 2100 has already failed during the first 10 years. However, IPCC scientists have not recognized it, saying that it is just a temporal change; but 10 years of consistent change is considered climate change.
19. The world political leaders should be able to decide to postpone future conferences until scientists could find the causes for the present halting of global warming. Temporary or not, there must be unknown forces and causes to suppress the CO2 effect or even overcome it.
20. We should bring back the science of climate change to a basic science, avoiding interferences by policy makers and the world mass media. Only then can this particular science proceed in a scientifically healthy way. Only then can we discuss any global warming hypothesis as proponents and opponents (instead of as “believers” and “skeptics” or “deniers” in the religious sense), regardless of one side being in the majority or minority. In science, unlike in politics, a minority can be right.
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Well, if we go nuclear then there is no point in making electric cars. We don’t have the rare metals to make electric cars for everyone- but we could use the nuclear energy (electricity) to make hydrogen for hydrogen powered cars. No co2 emissions- just water. Why, we could solve the water shortages by driving more… Just sayin..
I still like the article- good read.
DaveE (02:01:40) :
As a P.S. to my above post.
Nuclear is given a carbon equivalence by the E.U..
This makes France one of the worst carbon polluters in the eyes of the E.U.!
The French however are even more arrogant & pig-headed than the British and will therefore take bugger-all notice of what the E.U. tells them to do and good on them is all I can say to that!
I just wish our government would grow some balls & tell the E.U. where they can stick their directives.
DaveE.
Hear, Hear! That’s why I admire the French so much, they go through the motions so well, but disregard anything they don’t like &/or affects the French way of life!
For the time being we’re stuck with fossil fuels whether we like it or not. Our biggest short term concern should be capacity. There is no way alternative energy sources can step up to the plate in the short term (I’m referring to power generation). And if the present Administration believes it can force the issue by adding surtaxes, carbon taxes, and more regulation, it will only reduce capacity. The result will be brown-outs and other types of power interruptions (think of California circa 2000 writ large), and higher utility bills.
One other point of contention is imported oil. Oil is priced on the globally. Big Oil buys its oil from brokers who represent the people who own the wells. There is no way we can change this. The vast majority of our imported oil comes from Canada and Mexico. Venezuela comes in third; Nigeria, and the Persian Gulf nations follow. However, even if we were to allow more drilling and cut imports, the price of oil would still be determined by a global standard; just because we drill it here doesn’t mean it will remain here. If demand goes up and China outbids US firms on the trading floor they get the oil -even if the oil came from Texas or North Dakaota.
In the long term there are other alternatives such as atomic power and natural gas (according to rumour, the US has some of the largest untapped natural gas deposits in the world). Currently, there are no alternative sources that do not require huge federal subsidies -atomic power included. One could argue that if we increased alternatives the price of oil would drop, as demand would weaken with less US imports. In that case, the costs of alternative energy would become prohibitive when compared to fossil fuels. Whether we like it or not fossil fuels are still the most efficient energy source in the world.
The economic arguements concerning AGW are quite untrue. Getting off our “addiction” to oil could be quite expensive.
Flanagan (22:51:30) :
I’d like to ask a warmer just exactly what is the score these days? The whole AGW thing was built on the idea that Anthropogenically derived CO2 was causing Global Warming, right? So is Anthropogenically derived CO2 now supposed to be causing ‘climate change’? Because that idea would never have got out of the starting gate. You can’t have it both ways.
I read a little atomic phobia in the message. Obama has no plans for the US to become energy independent, he is a socialist, his advisors are socialists and hard core communists. He is simply spewing out whatever he needs to in order to distract the people as he quietly goes about destroying the US economy.
Why? Because the only way the believers in a World Government can make it happen is to ruin the US. Get the world off the dollar and their takeover becomes a whole lot easier. In the end, it is always about having the power and keeping it.
Would that it were so. If the goal was nuclear power it would in fact be almost a good idea long term. However, Obama and most of his allies oppose all types of efficient power production on principle. They do support lowering living standards.
Dr. Syun Akasofu only covers a part of the story.
If AGW/Climate Change would be the excuse to introduce nuclear energy, why would we need an international agreement on CO2 emissions that stop the development of the third world, our economies and force us to drive around with electric cars, a technology that is in need of years of development before it is effective and affordable? Why are we screwing arounf with stupid wind mills when even GreenPeace asks for Nuclear energy?
It might be possible that our Iron Lady adopted the basic plan to replace coal by nuclear but the days ot Thatcherism are over.
Today the Liberals are infiltrated bu radical Marxists and Fascists and they have high jacked the entire AGW/Climate Change docrine, but not to replace coal plants by nuclear power plants.
No, this is about Global Governance, about control over the world’s resources and this is about population control.
The world will face a 30% increase of the population by 2030.
We will need 50% more agricultural output to feed the world, and we need 30% more energy.
Instead of building new power plants the West is talking about replacing existing coal fired plants by natural gas plants, a kind of cash for clunkers for energy plants instead of cars.
This is utter madness because it has taken us many years to build the current energy infra structure which could serve us for decades to come and we could spend all that wasted money for other purposes.
So, we have to conclude that the West does not intend not to expand the agricultural output and will not to increase but instead replace the current energy infra structure, thus concluding that they will NOT prepare for an increase in population and go the way of a population reduction (by starvation).
WWF, a Fascist Organization already has a vision how to reduce the population in the big cities and reduce airtraffic at the same time: http://www.foxnews.com/js/photoPop.html?0
And all over the world people have started to talk about over population, poles are held, winners announced and yes, they are convinced.
80% of the people believe we are with too many people on this planet.
http://www.economist.com/debate/overview/151?source=most_commented
This is a great success for the marxist and fascists wacko’s that now have infiltrated our Governments because it provides them with a free bee to start the biggest carnage in the history of human kind.
The last time they told us there were too many people on the planet was in 1972
and the world population was 3.2 billion.
Before that, the German’s in search for “Lebensraum” started a “destruction war” against Poland, actually killing every Pole they could find.
For Fascists and Marxists, there are always too many people and a small group of of these wacko’s believe this planet is better off without any people.
I don’t agree with any of them
September 12 will be the day when America hits the street to make clear that the current Government and policies is not their cup of tea.
They will make clear that in the USA the people make their own decisions and they don’t need Government for that.
They will chose for the economy instead if C&P.
Cheap energy is the basis for any industry, including steel and cars.
And there is no scientific or economic reason why it could not be available.
We have plenty of it for years to come.
Dr. Syun Akasofu
“The recovery from a cold period is warming. Actually, the warming until 2000 and the present cooling trend can reasonably be explained as natural changes.” says Dr. Syun Akasofu in item 16.
I think the warming until 2000 and the present (non-existent) cooling trend can reasonably be explained as resulting from the labours of benevolent unicorns. As we all know perfectly well what benevolent unicorns are, just as we are excellently educated as to the grand mysteries of ‘natural changes’, I would consider the AGW-discussion closed.
By the way, I’ve finally had the chance to read the 100.000 pages of the most recent IPCC report. It’s a boring read, don’t try it. I mean, the line ‘The world is gonna end RIGHT NOW!!!’ is written on average no less than eighteen times per page!
Please, Wattupwiththat, this article is a joke, no?
Flanagan
Fiat and Magna?
The US auto industry is going to Fiat and Magna? Really? What the H is Magna?
DaveF
John Daly gave a more objective view of the process.
http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm
Basically Mrs Thatcher wanted to make a name for herself, and as she was the only world leader to have a Bsc in chemistry was well placed to dazzle them with the very new science of climate change. It worked and she gained (rightly) world prominence.
What is interesting are the green dynasties that are now being created. Her science adviser was Tickell. You will see that his son is very big in the green movement as is Goldsmiths son, Zac.
Tonyb
The article is a good rehash of material many have been touting for a long time, but the idea that the Obama administration has “chosen” nuclear energy is rather absurd. Its a serious overestimation of his foresight and goals. Obama is a classic leftist, who see’s capitalism as an evil in itself. Therefore, controlling energy by limiting supply or artificially increasing costs via taxation is very much in his sights. I do not believe he has ANY inclination to push atomic energy, and even if he did, his sponsors on the left would never let him. I think there are those on the right in America who certainly would line up according to this article – that is using AGW to push atomic energy, but the left in America are only using it to push a more socialist agenda and, in effect, government control of the energy complex.
The funny thing about Obama is that right wingers call him socialist and socialists call him a right winger. I’m not sure he has any policy at all except to listen to people who have the loudest voices in the vain hope that they know better than he does. Lets see; he took over massive debts, deficits, a housing crisis, a depression, car manufacturers losing billions, bankers losing trillions, a bust paradigm of phoney Wall street wealth and two hugely expensive wars. Does anyone else want the job?
Actually, Thatcher acted not so much out of a desire to get nuclear power as to crush the coal miner’s union, which is understandable, as they had the entire country in a vice grip at the time.
Unfortunately, Obama and the green contingent haven’t the intellectual capacity to have thought this thru as well as Akasofu expects. They only mention Nuclear as an appeasement to those who rightfully see the folly of wind and solar. Obama is all about redistribution of wealth, rather than enslavement of the poor. I think all players are in this game for their own motives. For the political left here in America, that motive, sadly, is an elitist fantasy world of locally grown, fair trade Organic produce, consumed by a chemo phobic hyper environmentalist society, housed in modern eco-yurt condos, recycling everything from worn out cloth grocery bags to toilet paper, and driving bicycles or electric golf carts to and fro. They envision those who work in a highly paid, high tech job, most income from which is then confiscated for the grand socialist redistribution to the “underprivileged”. No room in this fantasy for your F350 dually, sporting a camper and pulling a V8 ski boat into the mountains for a weekend of energy consumption, or blasting Bambi into oblivion.
Another really excellent article by Dr Akasofu. He lays out the current scenario so anyone can understand it. I especially liked the conclusions from about #10 on.
Contrast this well reasoned article with the formerly impressive Royal Society’s ‘solutions’ to the CO2 non-problem:
Ri-i-i-i-i-ght.
This is good. First we have the Whackoman and Malarkey Climate Bill delayed and in disarray, and now a call to postpone Copenhagen as useless. First the scientific wheels fall off, now even the political ones are coming off the CAGW/CC bus. No time to gloat, though. This is their last hurrah, and it could be an epic battle.
I don’t know about anyone else but this link locked up my computer.
Jack Simmons (00:23:24) :
Flanagan (22:51:30) :
The argument that “temperatures stopped increasing while CO2 was rising” is somewhat surprising coming from an educated guy. Especially since one simply has to take a look at the 1980
Point One: First, the global warming issue was not begun by the iron lady. When I was in undergraduate school in early 1974 we had a seminar, put on by a physicist from some institution in the NW, all about doom from CO2 induced warming. The topic was already in the wind, so to speak. Among his various statements was that an increase of a few degrees centigrade would hold all water on the planet as vapor in the atmosphere. None of the physicists at the seminar offered any rebuttal, but the economists were all over him. I was young at the time, and loathe to make comments to my professors, but I had also taken enough geology to know that the earth had been far warmer in earlier epochs without the oceans vanishing into vapor. Thus began my suspicion of people who blab about global warming.
Point Two: Obama will not promote nuclear energy because he has shown no stomach at all to buck the more extreme elements of his party unless he can duck responsibility. Rather, his advisors and he appear to be under the spell of the renewable energy fairy dust. Instead, we will be treated to at least one more decade of an incoherent energy policy with Obama’s party gladly blaming the opposition for any apparent failues, delaying making any decisions such as sensible allowances for domestic production to buy time and provide income to make transitions in technology, and the mainstream media playing along.
Point Three: The author overstates the present contribution of wind and solar. The latest figures I have show the over-all contribution of solar to be about 0.07% and wind to be about 0.35% of U.S. consumption. To get to 100% of renewable electric, which Gore insists is possible, would require at least all of national savings for the next 10 years. We would be a poverty stricken people by the end of that time, and would be paying somewhere between two times and three times as much for energy as we currently do. Gore’s statement in just this context ought to have placed him permanently in the lunatic fringe, but instead he is a “prophet”, and by the way, a major statesmen of Obama’s party, which is more evidence for point number Two above.
Point Four: Manufacturing constantly moves to more efficient venues. It has always been so, and always will be. However, if we remain an innovative, optimistic, and ambitious people, there will always be new opportunities to make money–even in manufacturing. Of course it is also possible for politicians to hobble us so effectively that we will become a bunch of whiney supplicants for government handouts–and a permanent welfare society.
Things happen in nature spontaneously, not because of the wishes of man, no matter how feverish. Nothing can be done or changed by decree or by any goverment bill, so the market will decide, be it the market where climate “scientists” are sold and bought, which will dry up, or the fossil fuels market , where reserves keeps increasing.
Nogw (06:16:01) :
Things happen in nature spontaneously…
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Newton down the drain. There is no cause for anything happening in nature, only spontaneous mysterious utterly immeasurable effect…
Well, for some reason my previous answer (with links showing how well GCM predicted the last 20 year temperatures) is not appearing so, for the curious:
Chrysler is now part of Fiat, and Magna is a Canadian group which is fighting rightnow against a Brussels-based consortium to take over most of GM (including Opel/Vauxhall).
The nuclear angle is a regrettable detour from an otherwise interesting analysis.
Yeah I have to weigh in with the Thatcher history, being another Brit that lived through it. After the comedy situation in the UK in the 70s (and I was a strong union advocate at the time, believed in it all 100% – doofus that I was..) the tories came to power when the nation basically got fed up with strikes and cuts in services. The various ‘winter of discontent’ seasons whereby the miners, train drivers, car manufacturors etc held the country to ransom ticked everyone off. Thatcher had a mandate to basically break the unions, the ‘biggest’ of these was the NUM. The NUM believed they held all the cards because we were so coal dependant. Therefore we had to find an alternative to coal, and a reason for doing so. But the intent was political, to regain control from the unions, ideas about enviroment etc were a nice topping to the cake, but this was not the real issue. However there are real concerns because removal of home produced coal eventually caused the UK to become addicted to Gas, which in Europe means buying from Dobi the House Elf…back to where we started.
So yes the UK has particular problems and getting over the CND hurdle is one of them. As someone said, short term solution is to buy nuclear energy from the French, which I believe already happens ‘down south’. Europe is too caught in the crosshairs of this Gas from Russia…attempts to take gas from other countries by circuiting around Russia seem to have stumbled when Dobi showed his intent by invading Georgia.
Sooo…for us we have windmills and maybe nuclear in 20yrs…oh joy.
The French are sitting pretty.
But there are some consolations, the Germans have got it worse than us, heh!
I have seen no evidence the Obama administration is interested in nuclear power.
Certainly, our current congress is not. They recently killed the Yucca Mountain nuclear repository project. I used to live in Nevada, where there is still quite a controversy over Yucca Mountain. I’m personally convinced the site will be safe, but that it it just a dumb idea to bury an energy source. Other nations, such as France, reuse, reprocess and recycle their nuclear waste. The USA needs to do the same and find a permanent storage site for the waste that remains.
No, this adminstration and this congress want only green energy — that includes solar and wind, maybe waves, but certainly not nuclear energy. Just the word ‘nuclear’ makes most greens turn, well, green. The USA won’t be investing in more nuclear plants soon, but it’s quite alright for Iran and North Korea.
Nuclear should be, of course, an important part of our energy supply. But the people now running this country are not interested in practical solutions to real problems, they are more interested in remaking the world into their vision of a better place. They do not care about practicality or results, only ideology.
I don’t even see much evidence that the USA is interested in manufacturing solar panels or wind turbines. It’s likely that work will all be performed in developing countries that are outside our regulation. The design and engineering of these products will likewise move to developing countries as well because our education system is not interested in results or achievement, either.
Akasofu has put meat on the bones of an argument I have been putting forward ever since the IPCC was set up. I was dismayed to find that a nuclear representative (and sometimes two) was to be found on almost every national panel. I do not remember seeing a single representative from the oil, gas or coal industries.
More importantly I was always intrigued by the fact that a little known second division scientist like Hansen was given the opportunity to talk to Congress about a little known second rate hypothesis like anthroprogenic global warming.
I suspected that the Three Mile Island accident 6 months before had something to do with it. If I was in the Nuclear Industry and faced with the proposistion that my industry was to dangerous to survive my only hope would be to find a reason why my competition were even more dangerous.
The uneasy dependence on the Greens is why the Nuclear industry has had to play this very cool. I think subsequently other social and political issues have overtaken Nuclear in driving AGW to where it is now, but I suspect the genesis is 3 Mile Island.