Sometimes, seemingly innocuous posts can bring in some oddball commenters. Such is the case this week with a post I did about a cloud (or lack thereof) spotted by former NWS Lead Forecaster for northern California, Jan Null.
That post brought out the chemtrailers, one of whom insisted that the “hole punch cloud” was not only a new phenonmenon (it isn’t) but made by (you guessed it) chemicals released from airplanes.
In the strictest sense, he’s right. It is caused by airplane exhaust:
This relatively rare occurenvce is the result of an aircraft flying through a layer of high clouds that have precisely the right temperatre and moisture. As the jet aircraft flies through the layer it contributes just enough additonal moisture and exhaust particles for the ice crystals in the cloud to grow large enough to fall out as ”fall streaks”. This happens in a circular pattern around the path of the jet with a hole in the cloud layer being the result.
Jan Null
There’s nothing nefarious about it.
But when I didn’t allow the discussion of the ridiculous premise of chemtrails, that didn’t sit well.
Oh, and hey: If you people can’t handle the TRUTH about PICTURES >YOUYOU< can’t handle?!?!
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That you have the freaking temerity to post BALD-FACED LIES from some JERK professing a ~new~ cloud formation, and thence declare that NOBODY may challenge that PROCLAMATION?
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Science, you say?
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Science which can’t =OR WILL NOT= be challenged?
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YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE SNAKE OIL SALESMAN YOU PROFESS TO EXPOSE!
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Go ahead, MR. WATTS, DELETE THIS POST TOO!
I decided to leave it up as an example.
Ric Werme really said it all with this comment about SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS.
Thus our quote of the week:
Good science doesn’t need all-caps.
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CAPS are actually good for the environment. But that hasn’t always been the case. In the bad old days of text-based CRT displays, it took more electron beams, therefore more energy, to display a CAP.
Then came Windows and, with black lettering on a white background, the situation was reversed and so a CAP used less energy.
Then along came LCD displays and, as all environmentally-conscious people know, it takes energy to make a LCD pixel transparent, ie light up, so the more CAPS you use the more environmentally-friendly you are.
On the other hand, printing a CAP requires more ink, therefore more planet-wrecking resources.
PS – don’t tell Al Gore 😉
Stephen Skinner (01:20:21) :
There was a number of articles prior to the Beijing Olympics talking about the “weather control forces” that were stationed around Beijing with what looked like old anti-aircraft-artillery. They were tasked with cloud seeding and breakup to ensure the Games went off without a hitch. I would be more worried about some of the shells coming down unexploded due to age than the heat and the rain!
It is biloba… meaning two (bi) lobes (loba), in reference to the shape of the leaves.
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00KMFEaCelbUuoM/Gingko-Biloba-Leaves-and-Gingko-Biloba-Leaves-Powder.jpg
IF YOU WANT TO DO SCIENCE YOU HAVE TO LEARN YOUR LATIN.
(Just kidding)
Perhaps a debunking of chemtrails would be a good post? Why not attempt to educate instead of just ridiculing?
Ever heard of the creation of the Federal Reserve – (“the Creature of Jekyll Island” by G. Edward Griffin) – and the global FIAT system of money we have today?
Well, very few people know what money really is (=debt) or how it is created (=out of thin air)…
Well, there you have the biggest conspiracy of all time – “a web of debt” – making all the other ones possible…
@Gary Young:
Here’s a quick but of education…
The HAARP/IRI Program:
The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP)located in the Wrangell-St. Elias National Park, Alaska uses a device called the Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI). The purpose of this site is to:
“The HAARP project aims to direct a 3.6 MW signal, in the 2.8-10 MHz region of the HF band, into the ionosphere. The signal may be pulsed or continuous wave. Then effects of the transmission and any recovery period will be examined using associated instrumentation, including VHF and UHF radars, HF receivers, and optical cameras. According to the HAARP team, this will advance the study of basic natural processes that occur in the ionosphere under the natural but much stronger influence of solar interaction, as well as how the natural ionosphere affects radio signals. This will enable scientists to develop techniques to mitigate these effects in order to improve the reliability and/or performance of communication and navigation systems, which would have a wide range of applications in both the civilian and military sectors”-
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/factSheet.html
As for Cloud Seeding vs Chemtrails… well that’s simple, one is real (Cloud seeding) and the other is total BS (Chemtrails). Cloud seeding ~IS NOT~ the same thing. Look it up.
Doc
Council on Foreign Relations: “Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering” –
http://www.cfr.org/project/1364/geoengineering.html
Global Research: “Hillary Clinton admits that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) runs the Government”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14439
The video:
“What is the CFR?”
http://www.hirhome.com/cfr.htm
Cloud seeding has gone on for years. There was a project in the Sierra back in the90’s.
It has been around for literally decades.The Manhattan Project was top secret,I know a few old nuke guys having worked as a contractor/pilot in the Hanford area.The people in the know were relatively few in number.Even the Pilots that dropped the Bombs on
Japan did not quite know what was going on.Chemtrails would have to involve such an
extensive net work of conspirators as to have leaks like a sieve…
Here’s another “conspiracy” related paranoia I’ve been having. Most of the banks around here misrepresent the temperature. Sure, banks have always done this a few degrees in the past. My dad always told me banks display a couple degrees warmer to trick people into coming inside their air conditioned buildings (back in the 60’s and 70’s when AC wasn’t as prevalent).
Now it’s swung in the complete opposite direction. My wife just called me and told me the banks are displaying the temp as 71 degrees. It’s actually 60. She has just driven 150 miles through several small towns. All the banks that have marquees are displaying 10 degrees warmer than it really is. This is something we’ve both noticed before in our home town. What’s more is that this discrepancy seems to change as the day progresses. The 10 degree difference changes as the day warms up. So this afternoon, when the temp is actually 85 the banks have magically gone back to displaying the proper temp (of 85), then will skew as the evening cools.
Do you have any idea how paranoid that sounds? I’m quite aware. But it doesn’t change the fact that this is going on, and on multiple marquees at multiple banks. Sure, sure, there’s probably a sane rational reason for this – but to merely mention it… does that make me paranoid? Maybe all the banks are using the same (flawed) temperature feed from some hub somewhere. If I was to go loco and say this was an AGW conspiracy, would that make the fact of faulty temperatures go away? Laugh at the conspiracy hysteria, but look at the facts. Sometimes facts lead people to become hysterical. Example? “FIRE!” (my “all caps” for the day)
The winner of this argument will be the one that writes in baseball caps. Go NY!!!!!!!
WW II chemtrails:
http://www.eiaonline.com/history/B-17_Flying_Fortress.jpg
Oh.
I forgot the [/s] tag on my previosu post.
I think there was some change in temperatures noted in the USA, during the few days after 9 11 when there was no air traffic and therefore no contrails.
As I recall the night-time temperatures were roughly a half-degree lower, without contrails acting as a night-time blanket. Night skies were clearer.
I remember noting this item at the time, and wondering if contrails (and not CO2) might contribute to the slight rise in world-wide surface temperatures.
Anyone heard anything about this idea recently?
I find the possibility of contrails having an effect plausible. But contrails are not chemtrails.
(By the way, when I use caps it is because I can’t figure out how to underline words. It is a display of my ignorance.)
The then esteemed BBC did a show about HAARP on their “Horizon” series of science/technology programs. I remember watching it on the BBC International in the late ’90’s. Even then the material seemed a bit dated. They did discuss modifying the ionosphere to look for various effects. They were quite interested in near subsurface imaging to locate tunnels as they are quite hard to detect with conventional geophysical remote sensing techniques.
Anthony,
I agree with your interpretation of the hole in the cloud, but I also have to agree with the dissenting poster that there is such a phenomenon as chemtrails. Whether it is being done as part of a weather research project by the federal government or a covert U.S. military project, I don’t know… but people have observed and/or photographed jets dispensing material into the air from canisters (through a telescope, of course). Some have suggested that the material could have something to do with deflecting radar.
A mid-1970s patent for something like this can be found here:
http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/mil/mindcontrol/US3899144.pdf
And I’d be careful about using the “ridiculous” word in regard to chemtrails. Ridiculous sounds like something the AGW crowd would say to those of us who believe the sun alone drives climate. I considered you more open-minded before reading this post, now I’m not so sure. 🙁
REPLY: Oh, please. The patent is for an improved smoke generator for skywriters. The chemtrails issue will not be discussed here because it is a pointless exercise. – Anthony
I heard someone recently raving about “chem trails” and how they were spraying the populous with “pathogens and toxins” to control people’s minds and reduce fertility and such. But what I have yet to hear them explain is why spraying these supposed substances at high altitude so that most of it falls in oceans and deserts or gets ionized by UV rays instead of spraying cities at ground level with a much lower concentration or blowing the stuff from street lights and highway dividers. That’s how I distribute all of my mind control substances but I don’t work for the Freemasons or the government. I like to keep on top of the latest feary-theories.
And as the owner of several snake oil refineries I can hook you up with whatever you need.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
Take your pick…lol.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Reply: Can you pass some of that over here? ~ charles the way too sober moderator
George Varros (03:25:36)
Nice photos George. I like interesting cloud formations and always wonder how they come about.
Urederra (05:59:17) :
Thank you. I’m not sure I ever actually saw it written down…. just my daughter nagging me to improve my memory. Didn’t do too well in Latin class, either… all I can seem to remember is “ursus horribilis horribilis est”.
The honoree of this post sounds almost lucid compared to some the HAARP vs. The Sun people out there. (I’d post a link, but I don’t want to defile Rev. Watt’s site with any traffic coming back from that Singularity of Stoopidity. If you’re into painfully stupid/hilarious conspiracy theory reading, there are days’ worth of link-hopping goodness if you do a search and find the home hive. Happy hunting!)
B.C. (16:38:47) :
Umm, I think I know what you mean. One problem of being recognized for QOTW is that the three lines about me required so much setup. 🙂 Personally, I almost always try to be lucid!
rephelan (15:32:38) : What was that about the horrible bear?
DaveE.
About 1975, I worked with some meteorologists at Boeing in Seattle. They had a side business in weather control in conjunction with a local flying service. Seattle Tacoma Airport is subject to serious fogs which, with the ILS equipment available at the time, prevented landings until the fog cleared. This resulted in congestion, a stack of airplanes burning fuel waiting to land, and long delays. In an effort to control the delays, the FAA prohibited takeoffs of Seattle bound flights from California if there was fog in Seattle. This was not popular with the airlines. My friends proposed to the FAA and the airlines a fog clearing procedure which essentially consisted of spraying small amounts of ethylene glycol into the air in the approach and landing path over the runway. They were able to demonstrate that their procedure worked because they were aware that the average fog event at Seatac lasted about 3 hours. They convinced the FAA that fog clearing operations usually resulted in fog clearance within 3 hours. After this, departures were approved from California in spite of fog if fog clearing operations were under way. The airlines payed big money for this service for years while understanding that it was not weather modification, but only modification of government behavior.
DaveE (17:38:58) :
rephelan (15:32:38) : What was that about the horrible bear?
Trust me, it was grizzly.