Sometimes, seemingly innocuous posts can bring in some oddball commenters. Such is the case this week with a post I did about a cloud (or lack thereof) spotted by former NWS Lead Forecaster for northern California, Jan Null.
That post brought out the chemtrailers, one of whom insisted that the “hole punch cloud” was not only a new phenonmenon (it isn’t) but made by (you guessed it) chemicals released from airplanes.
In the strictest sense, he’s right. It is caused by airplane exhaust:
This relatively rare occurenvce is the result of an aircraft flying through a layer of high clouds that have precisely the right temperatre and moisture. As the jet aircraft flies through the layer it contributes just enough additonal moisture and exhaust particles for the ice crystals in the cloud to grow large enough to fall out as ”fall streaks”. This happens in a circular pattern around the path of the jet with a hole in the cloud layer being the result.
Jan Null
There’s nothing nefarious about it.
But when I didn’t allow the discussion of the ridiculous premise of chemtrails, that didn’t sit well.
Oh, and hey: If you people can’t handle the TRUTH about PICTURES >YOUYOU< can’t handle?!?!
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That you have the freaking temerity to post BALD-FACED LIES from some JERK professing a ~new~ cloud formation, and thence declare that NOBODY may challenge that PROCLAMATION?
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Science, you say?
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Science which can’t =OR WILL NOT= be challenged?
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YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE SNAKE OIL SALESMAN YOU PROFESS TO EXPOSE!
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Go ahead, MR. WATTS, DELETE THIS POST TOO!
I decided to leave it up as an example.
Ric Werme really said it all with this comment about SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS.
Thus our quote of the week:
Good science doesn’t need all-caps.
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Fantastic, a very good choice for the quote of the week.
After fretting uselessly over mutltitudes of jet traffic over my area, I came to the conclusion that
1.) These are military flights in convoy playing out their publicly announced sheduled exercises.
2.) They burn the cheapest fuel they can get ($$ is tight with current budgets)
3.) The only detriment to me personally is they roil the astronomical seeing.
There are bigger concerns for me to occupy my consternation with. Military traffic overhead, while unusual, is a sign that our AirForce is at work as they should be. Thank God they have something to keep those birds up there with. It could be worse.
FOR SCIENCE!
Hello Anthony
I’d like to place an order for 6 bottles of your finest snake oil, a jar of your sunspot causing pixie dust (on backorder I assume) and 10 barrels of your famous black gold, which I understand allows humans to easily control Earth’s temperature.
Would it be ok if I paid with check from the coal industry or my oil company credit card? Or do you only accept cash from the tobacco lobby?
Hopefully we will get the opportunity to share a couple bottles of cold snake oil someday…
The commentor for the hole in the clouds is succumbing to hysteria.
I have checked out those allegations myself and I find them to be nonsensical and alarmist.
I LOVE THE RESPONSES TO THE QUOTE OF THE WEEK!
(I figure caps are ok for the subjective. For Love 🙂
Dear Mr Watts
Apologies in advance for this off topic post but would you advise of the impact factor of the publication Energy & Environment?
Did he have his tin-foil hat adjusted properly?
rbateman, what shool did you go to? There is still a “c” in schedule, whether one pronounces it or not 🙂
You live and learn.
I had no idea that the aircraft of the world were not only poisoning us all with their exhaust but adding specific chemicals to do this.
The last time I heard this one was some Scandinavian gentlemen who said the NOX of Concordes engine’s was going to do something nasty: I forget what exactly.
Well it was forty years ago.
Obviously I must pay more attention in future.
Kindest Regards
Robert Wood – typos and other bad things sometimes happen 🙁
I went to school with Dan Quayle :=)
Snake Oil seems contraindicated. I prefer my snakes on the noisy side, so I can hear them coming.
Will there be a policy change on chemtrails if the Obama science team decides high altitude pollution will lower world temperature and create jobs?
I thought “snake-oil clouds”, sorry, I mean “hole-punch cloud” were caused by black helicopters.
sorry for the OT but Tips & Notes is shut down right now :
Al Gore branching off in to health care :
He is quoting the Bible and saying we have a ‘moral duty’ to pass Obamacare. Al Gore, who has made $100 million in profit from global warming, is preaching to us about morality.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26580.html
I’m hoping this QOTW and our accompanying comments don’t invite a FLOOD of bizaare conspiracy theorists’ rants but…
Those coo-coo comments reminded me of a story that an aquaintance of mine kept trying to sell me: HAARP.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964881209/ref=ase_freedomdomain/103-5089310-8387858#product-details
Whereas AGW might be “passive”..HAARP is fast-tracking our destruction…this is the ultimate in “man is destroying the planet” thinking.
As for me, I’m coo-coo for cocoa puffs!
It’s a good move for Al. Look at all the money the church made off of Jesus.
sorry for another OT :
Maybe this is one step toward stopping William Connolley at Wikipedia, but as it is he will still have free reign for his political butchery :
,i>Wikipedia says it is testing a new method for curbing false information…
http://www.newsmax.com/science/us_tec_wikipedia_editing_changes/2009/08/25/252117.html
sorry for another OT :
Maybe this is one step toward stopping William Connolley at Wikipedia, but as it is he will still have free reign for his political butchery :
Wikipedia says it is testing a new method for curbing false information..
http://www.newsmax.com/science/us_tec_wikipedia_editing_changes/2009/08/25/252117.html
Robert Wood (19:04:54) :
In spite of my lapse in typing, you obviously understood the word I was communicating.
Scheduler Bug: Where the processor receives two lookup tables referencing the same segment of a sequence, thereby locking up, as they are both waiting on each other.
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rbateman (20:29:01) :
“Scheduler Bug: Where the processor receives two lookup tables referencing the same segment of a sequence, thereby locking up, as they are both waiting on each other.”
The nefarious “infinite loop” — that is why we have watchdog timers to generate an interrupt and kick C out of some of its more insane moments!
— Old hardware assembler programmer
Some really strange critters out there, beyond those weird Congress critters. Conspiracies everywhere — UFOs, catastrophic AGW, chemtrails, Yeti, secret contacts between aliens and governments. [And for the U.S. readers] – Sounds like something you could expect to see on a segment of Leno’s Jaywalking.
But isn’t it a conspiracy theory to suggest scientists and politicians are working together to foist the false premise of man’s CO2 altering climate, and rigging the data and science to support their false premise, and shutting down dissenting scientists by witholding funding and grants. All with the the help of the MSM who report heavily on the alarmists predictions and proclaim the science is settled, not to mention the publishers of science journals who use peer review to censor scientists whose work contradicts the consensus.
And BTW, the Airforce issued a publication in 1996 called Weather as a Force Multiplier, Owning the Weather in 2025. Makes interesting reading. It was removed from their website after Katrina, but here is a link.
http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
Wikipedia would have been a great tool for Winston in 1984, beats sending stuff down the memory hole and having to retype the entire history.