As some WUWT readers may have learned from reading Climate Audit, an anonymous source deep within Hadley CRU has provided Steve McIntyre a copy of a data file he has been seeking but has had his FOI requests to Hadley seeking the same file, rebuked.
I’ve seen the data. As I posted last night on Climate Audit:
You know, not everyone in every organization believes in everything the organization does. This is why we have leaks in the White House and people like “Deep Throat” that provide evidential tidbits with guidance like “follow the money”.
Steve has shared this data and the source with me, as a way of verification, and I can vouch for both the validity of the data and of the source ip address. It truly comes from deep within the organization. – Anthony
While the CRU data file is not the most current, it is the most current one the mole could produce for us.
But most importantly this will not deter Steve in his FOI requests, he writes:
And by the way, just because I’ve got a version of the data doesn’t mean that I’m going to give up trying to get the data through FOI. Quite the opposite.
Indeed. Better to get it through the front door.
I mentioned to Steve this morning via email that in addition to verifying the source, I was able to come up with a photo of the “anonymous” mole in CRU. I’ve sent him a copy.
Stay tuned.
h/t to commenter John S. at Climate Audit for the “Deep Cool” moniker.
Maybe we should start a global inventory of Jones’ station sitings, just in case Anthony doesn’t have enough to do already. A quick look at the Finnish stations on the Mole’s list tells us that at least 6 of the 14 are at airports.
Some pictures can be found at: http://www.fmi.fi/saa/havainto_93.html
28360 674 -267 179 Sodankylae FINLAND Rural
28750 650 -255 13 Oulu FINLAND Rural-industrial?
28960 660 -292 263 Kuusamo FINLAND Airport
28970 643 -277 132 Kajaani FINLAND Airport
29110 631 -218 4 VAASA AIRPORT FINLAND Airport
29170 629 -277 119 Kuopio FINLAND Rural?
29290 627 -296 117 JOENSUU————- FINLAND—?
29350 622 -257 137 Jyvaeskylae FINLAND Airport
29430 615 -238 85 Tampere FINLAND Airport
29580 611 -282 105 Lappeenranta FINLAND Airport?
29630 608 -235 104 JOKIOINEN OBSERVATOR FINLAND Rural
29720 605 -223 51 Turku FINLAND Airport?
29740 603 -250 53 HELSINKI-VANTAA AIRP FINLAND Airport
29780 602 -250 4 Helsinki/Kaisaniemi FINLAND Urban park
The coordinates do not quite match, so the ones with ? are my guesses. Helsinki-Vantaa is the only really international airport here, but the others do have tarmac, too.
I can’t help but notice the stark contrasts displayed in this post.
On one hand, we have wonderful surfacestations.org volunteers such as Dan Murphy (see Dan Murphy (11:15:55) :), who is giving of his time and talents (and is probably absorbing some costs personally), all in an effort to better understand the siting issues associated with the current USHCN – a job, I might add, that is supposed to be done by our lazy government employees at NOAA, but isn’t.
On the other, we have Dr. Phil Jones, a career climate “scientist”, who is paid a nice six figure salary + benefits by his government, attempting to limit access to climate data for no good reason except his own arrogance and pride…
I think of it all more as –
“”Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the meme maths outgave.”
C.L. Dodgson, 1872, an Englishman.
Mods a heads up,
The post at 00:21:59 is link spam.
Geoff Sherrington (05:18:10) :
One of my favourite poems – Jaberwocky. Sheer genius. It is mentioned in the film “Pimpernel Smith”.
Of course C.L. Dodgson is better known as Lewis Carroll and his best known work is “Alice in Wonderland”. He was also a mathematician!
I’m a bit late to this post, but as a professional scientist I find this entire scenario to be bizarre beyond all limits. It’s just temperature data! As a previous poster noted, this isn’t the test data on the new fighter. My guess is that farmers around the world have the same temperature data noted on their calendars which they have stored in their basement, and it probably is of just as good quality.
If anything, this James Bond plot line just proves that the AGW people are not at all concerned with science. It’s all about money and power; that’s the ONLY reason to keep such mundane data secret. The tactic here at WUTW seems to be to fight this fight on the scientific, rational level. I generally agree with that, but this incident shows that larger forces are at work here than just a scientific debate. And yes, Steve should never have revealed anything about the mole; it really puts this person in jeopardy.
Is this not a huge indicator that in actual fact Global Warming is a big farce and the data proves it so they hide the data to ensure whatever global warming scams they are involved in are kept going , Wheres theres money like that always expect lies and every trick in the book plus some to prevent access to that data that proves them WRONG in a HUGE fashon
What’s a cubit?
The length of a forearm. (A bit over a foot.)
We’ve got Cardinal Fang on the lookout for the CRN3-5 heresy.
Alan (19:16:11) wrote :
“Sadly, enough info has been released on this site – that the friendly source inside Hadley CRU is now likely under investigation for violating the offical secrets act – or whatever it’s now called.
Given the current mindest inside goverment circles, I wouldn’t be surprised if charges of treason and terrorsim were leveled against the brave soul.
On the bright side, a trial – even under english law – might be a golden opportunity to get the the truth.”
The mole may be subject to internal dicipline if they dare, but it will never come to court. Do not forget that the Sepaker tried to have the revelation by The Telegraph of MP’s expenses subject to court proceedings, but the prosecution concluded it was not in the public interest. There is no chance that the mole would ever face court proceedings over this. There is no perceived danger to national interest here.
Frank K said:
On the other, we have Dr. Phil Jones, a career climate “scientist”, who is paid a nice six figure salary + benefits by his government, attempting to limit access to climate data for no good reason except his own arrogance and pride…
I think there is a more mundane reason than that. That six figure salary and the multiplier he is able to achieve because of his position.
Follow the money.
For those posters commenting on the National Security, tactical, and strategic intelligence aspects of weather:
I spent about 9 years of my life as a weatherman flying Strategic and Tactical Reconnaissance.
Then as now, the exchange around the world, of almost all weather reports, in “near” time, on WMO circuits was practiced. Most of the world’s current weather reports can be found on the internet these days.
Strategic and Tactical Recon have been largely overwhelmed these days by satellite data.
I find it difficult to believe that any of the data requested by Steve McIntyre, especially data that had been previously released to Ga. Tech, could possibly be classified. Further, bear in mind that it is quite unlikely that the source of any clandestine data would be a part of the data itself.
If that “unclassified” assumption is wrong, then why wouldn’t the agency in possession of the data just say that it is not available because of its security classification except for those with the proper security clearance and on a strict need-to-know basis?
All this “spooky” stuff about weather data fails the smell test.
Oh, this is just to precious.
Meanwhile those afraid of criticism get videos withdrawn because of “copyright”. Of all the lame arsed excuses.
[REPLY – Not at all comparable. All surfacestation data is online and available to the public for legitimate independent review. Go. See. When analysis of data is released, all data and methods will be available as well. Note also that on RC or equivalent, critical comments of like nature rarely, if ever, se the light of day. ~ Evan]
Rod Smith (09:22:06) :
Not classified but commercial data:
From Climate audit:
http://eca.knmi.nl/documents/ECAD_report_2008.pdf
Climate variables
At present the data set includes series of nine climate variables: daily …
About 52% of the series is publicly available from the ECA&D website. The other 48% comes with restrictions: these series are for ECA&D indices calculations and gridding purposes only.
Data flow
Participant data comes in various file formats. Importing this data into the database tables is done by running relevant scripts for the conversions. The conversions differ for each data source. Dependent on the permissions granted by the data providers, data series can either be: public, or for indices plus gridding only.
Public data are published on the web in addition to the indices results.
So it seems that half the european data was not available becuse of restrictions by the supplier.
I have had some communication off line indicating that this issue will be raised in the UK Parliament when it returns, if there has been no resolution.
With people in high places making serious proposals to do planetary scale geo engineering to “mitigate global warming,” any true environmentalist would have to question AGW Hysteria and where it is apparently leading. AGW Hysteria may be more of a threat, per se, to the environment than the worst industrial excesses of the 20th century, Within orgs that are generally biased in favor of “the environment” / deep ecology, it stands to figure that there must be individuals who see the ironic threat of AGW Hysteria and are now starting to spring into action.
Although some might not be noticing, I have noticed several sites around the internet with mysterious blocks saying that they are unsafe. Especially ones that market organic foods as well as sites like yours that oppose much of the propoganda. I am curious if this is becoming more than a trend and is a concerted attack. Has anyone else had difficulties with sites?
Tom in Florida (16:01:11) :
…but they knew that we knew that they knew so they sent good data, but we knew that they knew that we knew that they knew…
Which brings this series to mind…
http://www.leedberg.com/mad/spies/snowboom.gif
This may be slightly OT, but has anyone checked out the freeze-frost records for the US and other countries? It seems to me that if we really are seeing significant warming it would be reflected in the records for first and last freezes and frosts. Those records are probably less likely to be politicized because (a) farmers and thus food supply depend on them, and (b) Incorrect info/manipulation is more easily detected. It either frosts/freezes or it doesn’t and if recording stations are routinely reporting frosts/freezes where the surrounding area isn’t getting them or the other way around, then farmers are more likely to notice/react.
I don’t know what the current state of freeze-frost records are, but a quick web search turned up this data set from the late 1980’s. There is also a bibliography that looks interesting.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/freezefrost/freezefrost.pdf
“What is the temperature today?
Sorry, thats forbidden knowledge.
OK. What is the weather forecast tomorrow?
Sorry, we’re not authorised to say. It puts us at risk of breach of contract.”
Ok, this is a logical scenario if the logic the met office uses was applied to what they make available.. Yet clearly they don’t. yet they’re willing to tell us their erroneous or otherwise projected ever increasing temperatures for the next 100 years everywhere in the world.
David Ball (16:53:50) : David Appell tried to pull a fast one over on Anthony
There is a comment section under his article. You could remind him of that and let people know about it.
Just an idea.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=stumbling-over-data&posted=1#comments
REPLY: One need not worry about this, the source is indeed official. – Anthony
Then this really isn’t too good to be true?
Barry R. (14:30:09) – Look further. U.S. growing regions were recently moved north. Just in time for farmers to complain how late the growing season has started.
Gene Nemetz (17:23:08) Done. Now let us see if they have the cobbles to post it. I will be very surprised if they do.
As of 10:03 MST, it has been posted. Perhaps there is hope yet.
More Appell attacking skeptics
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=3740