As some WUWT readers may have learned from reading Climate Audit, an anonymous source deep within Hadley CRU has provided Steve McIntyre a copy of a data file he has been seeking but has had his FOI requests to Hadley seeking the same file, rebuked.
I’ve seen the data. As I posted last night on Climate Audit:
You know, not everyone in every organization believes in everything the organization does. This is why we have leaks in the White House and people like “Deep Throat” that provide evidential tidbits with guidance like “follow the money”.
Steve has shared this data and the source with me, as a way of verification, and I can vouch for both the validity of the data and of the source ip address. It truly comes from deep within the organization. – Anthony
While the CRU data file is not the most current, it is the most current one the mole could produce for us.
But most importantly this will not deter Steve in his FOI requests, he writes:
And by the way, just because I’ve got a version of the data doesn’t mean that I’m going to give up trying to get the data through FOI. Quite the opposite.
Indeed. Better to get it through the front door.
I mentioned to Steve this morning via email that in addition to verifying the source, I was able to come up with a photo of the “anonymous” mole in CRU. I’ve sent him a copy.
Stay tuned.
h/t to commenter John S. at Climate Audit for the “Deep Cool” moniker.
@MySearch4Truth (15:04:16) :
I don’t understand how discovering that XBTs read “too warm” leads to a “correction” that *increases* ARGO temperatures.
From those two most recent comments by
Anthony, I am getting the impression
that we are being gulled. I suspect that
Steve and/or Anthony found a public and published
copy from some existing website (somewhere
on the Met site maybe?).
Maggy,
Great, thanks!
Go to the surfacestations.org gallery (link in the right hand column on this page) and enter “Hermit” into the search field. Look at the survey report for the Hermit site for my contact information. If you would, please try for me any time during the day tomorrow. Like you said, any excuse to go fishing!
Dan
Sadly, enough info has been released on this site – that the friendly source inside Hadley CRU is now likely under investigation for violating the offical secrets act – or whatever it’s now called.
Given the current mindest inside goverment circles, I wouldn’t be surprised if charges of treason and terrorsim were leveled against the brave soul.
On the bright side, a trial – even under english law – might be a golden opportunity to get the the truth.
If the data were for sale and St. Mac was getting out of paying for it, that would be one thing. But the data is being refused.
This is not like releasing sensitive commercial data under confidentiality agreement for purposes of private commercial enterprise. This is vital data, released in adjusted form, being used to determine extraordinarily costly public policy.
I was also somewhat surprised by Anthony’s and Steve’s seemingly cavalier attitude regarding the source’s identity. It seemed they might be endangering the individual by telling us so much about him/her.
I’m now sensing that the source is not someone who might be jeopardized if his/her identity was discovered. That possibly the individual investigated the refusals to provide the data and decided there would be no harm if the data were made available. And that he had the authority to make the decision to release the data.
Just a guess.
Re Deep Throat,
I saw the movie soon after release, in Los Angeles. What was the name of that talented performer? Linda Lovelock?
REPLY: Wrong reference, see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Throat
INGSOC (17:20:25) :
Molegate!
Coldgate.
Chillgate.
Snowgate.
Icegate.
Warmgate.
Weathergate.
Climategate.
Geoff, it was Linda Lovelace.
I have full confidence that Anthony and Steve know what they are doing, and we shouldn’t be concerning ourselves with the issue of the mole and his vulnerability. They know the facts, and will act responsibly.
The other side, those that want to obfuscate, lie and
distort will have some other idea.
Not quite poetry…
Don’t try and fool
tis not “Deep Cool”
The mole
is “Deep Coal”
Some time this week Prince Charles will be making
public comments about how the coal business is
trying to distort the global warming data in the UK.
How about a 100 hour countdown?
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Molon Labe (18:34:06) :
@MySearch4Truth (15:04:16) :
I don’t understand how discovering that XBTs read “too warm” leads to a “correction” that *increases* ARGO temperatures.
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Molon,
Here is an excerpt from an article posted on the NASA website:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/page1.php
“Basically, I used the sea level data as a bridge to the in situ [ocean-based] data,” explains Willis, comparing them to one another figuring out where they didn’t agree. “First, I identified some new Argo floats that were giving bad data; they were too cool compared to other sources of data during the time period. It wasn’t a large number of floats, but the data were bad enough, so that when I tossed them, most of the cooling went away. But there was still a little bit, so I kept digging and digging.”
The digging led him to the data from the expendable temperature sensors, the XBTs. A month before, Willis had seen a paper by Viktor Gouretski and Peter Koltermann that showed a comparison of XBT data collected over the past few decades to temperatures obtained in the same ocean areas by more accurate techniques, such as bottled water samples collected during research cruises. Compared to more accurate observations, the XBTs were too warm. The problem was more pronounced at some points in time than others.
The Gouretski paper hadn’t rung any alarm bells right away, explains Willis, “because I knew from the earlier analysis that there was a big cooling signal in Argo all by itself. It was there even if I didn’t use the XBT data. That’s part of the reason that we thought it was real in the first place,” explains Willis.
But when he factored the too-warm XBT measurements into his ocean warming time series, the last of the ocean cooling went away.”
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Maybe I misstated my concern but there is no doubt in my mind that this needs to be scrutinized and investigated further. Argo sensor data was discarded and it appears that XBT data was merged with the model in order to tone down the rather profound ‘cooling’ Argo reported back. Willis had written a paper ( http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/Papers/heat_2006.pdf ) and was planning to speak at a conference on his results before the likes of Rush and other ‘scary’ realist/denialist/skeptic types blew the lid off the story and alerted the powers that be of the implications. There was quite simply a cover-up and it wasn’t a very good one.
There is more to be learned and I may be mistaken but judging by our success with surface temperature (based on some politicians now openly deeming surface temperatures irrelevant in favor of the ‘longer-term’ implications for rising SST’s) I just think things like this should be put on the front-burner.
We need to get to the bottom of what Willis did to ‘correct’ the paper he published… and resulted in his scrambling to modify his public presentation a few days later.
http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/argo/argoGE.htm
ecco.jpl.nasa.gov/~jwillis/willis_sea_level.ppt
I think this demands a great deal of attention. This should be easy to expose compared to the last few scandals – NASA no less… go figure.
I have to agree with those who think too much has been said about the mole.
The important facts are that a mole has delivered a version of the CRU database to Mr. McIntyre and he and Anthony have determined that the data is probably the real deal.
Now in the coming months we will see what Mr. Jones does to make his numbers confess as the audit reveals the truth. I suspect it will be the usual sloppy work we have come to expect of climate science, but maybe Mr. Jones will surprise us all.
Allen68, I raised the same concern on Climate Audit. Far too much info has been given for my comfort. Expert technical advice should be sought on securing the trail as far as possible now.
Anthony, I don’t know if the mole cares one way or the other, but it is wise to assume that as they are doing their business in secret they don’t want to get caught. In these circumstances the less said about the mole the better.
kasphar (17:03:50) :
“AGW must be like a religion. The old Catholic order wouldn’t let their congregations read the Bible lest they misinterpreted the Word.”
This is just not true, books were incredibly expensive in those days, as they all had to be handwritten, and they were only chained up to prevent theft, which was common with books in those days.
We still need a few ( around 5) volunteers over at CA to send FOI to
CRU. Please take the time to do an FOI request.
Robert Wood (15:30:23)
Window tax – bricked up windows
Than the bricks were taxed which led to bigger bricks. Another adjustment to the data.
Sounds like the story of the soviet nail factory. They had a quota for a minimum number of nails. So they sent in a zillion tiny half-inch slivers.
As a result, the order came down that instead of a minimum number, a minimum weight of nails would be required. The next shipment consisted of foot-long iron spikes.
“AGW must be like a religion. The old Catholic order wouldn’t let their congregations read the Bible lest they misinterpreted the Word.”
This is just not true, books were incredibly expensive in those days, as they all had to be handwritten, and they were only chained up to prevent theft, which was common with books in those days.
Come to think of it, I could see some problems with letting the hoi polloi (those that could read) getting ahold of Leviticus.
“Thou shalt not suffer a sensor within 80 cubits of a heat source to live.”
I think GerryM is right; why are you publicising all this? Even the most stupid journalist knows you do not go around talking about your sources!
evanmjones (23:04:36) :
“Thou shalt not suffer a sensor within 80 cubits of a heat source to live.”
In the words of Bill Cosby, “Riiight. What’s a cubit?”
The Met Climate Data Affair has all the trappings of a great spy movie, with The Mole being played by Sean Connery, the first and greatest 007 actor.
http://www.seanconnery.com/
I could see The Mole skimming across the English Channel in a speedboat, then driving an exotic sports car, only to leap atop a speeding train to deliver the climate data, which if you believe half of the posters on Climate Audit, constitutes top-secret information that could jeopardize national security.
Or, a la ClimateGate, The Mole’s face is obscured by shadow as he E-mails the data to his climate connection, defiantly hitting ‘send’ with infinite satisfaction.
The plot thickens with the evil but bumbling James Hansen, who could be played by Joe Pesci of ‘Home Alone’ fame.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Pesci
This could be the beginning of the end for the AGW scam, with increased scrutiny of GISS data. Billions are at stake, and reputations will hang in the balance. Beware of planted data and the possibility that The Mole is a double-agent. 🙂
@David.
Bibles were chained up to prevent the ungodly nicking them, true, but the Church forbade the translation into the vernacular so that hoi polloi couldn’t “mistranslate” it and get wrong ideas. Hence burning John Wycliffe at the stake and all the other caring attentions on behalf of a loving God. Thinking about it, although the Koran can be freely translated, only the original classical arabic version is authoritative.
David and evanmjones:
The Church definitely did not want the common people reading the Bible and to that end opposed translations of it into the vernacular. William Tyndale translated the Bible into English, printed it in the Low Countries and smuggled copies into England. He was excommunicated, caught, convicted of heresy and burnt at the stake in 1536.
The BBC excommunicated David Bellamy.