As some WUWT readers may have learned from reading Climate Audit, an anonymous source deep within Hadley CRU has provided Steve McIntyre a copy of a data file he has been seeking but has had his FOI requests to Hadley seeking the same file, rebuked.
I’ve seen the data. As I posted last night on Climate Audit:
You know, not everyone in every organization believes in everything the organization does. This is why we have leaks in the White House and people like “Deep Throat” that provide evidential tidbits with guidance like “follow the money”.
Steve has shared this data and the source with me, as a way of verification, and I can vouch for both the validity of the data and of the source ip address. It truly comes from deep within the organization. – Anthony
While the CRU data file is not the most current, it is the most current one the mole could produce for us.
But most importantly this will not deter Steve in his FOI requests, he writes:
And by the way, just because I’ve got a version of the data doesn’t mean that I’m going to give up trying to get the data through FOI. Quite the opposite.
Indeed. Better to get it through the front door.
I mentioned to Steve this morning via email that in addition to verifying the source, I was able to come up with a photo of the “anonymous” mole in CRU. I’ve sent him a copy.
Stay tuned.
h/t to commenter John S. at Climate Audit for the “Deep Cool” moniker.
This is why totalitarian tendencies fail in the end.
People are people and under no circumstance you can control them against their will.
Anyhow, not on the long run.
We had to deal with lying left and lying right in the past and we deal with it now.
No matter how much propoganda they make.
We will turn every lie into a monument that marks the grave of their sick schemes.
This is about our future, our freedom and prosperity.
I am very grateful fot those that risk their careers and stick out their necks.
I am also grateful for those who use their knowledge and skills and invest their time, very often without any financial compensation, to provide us with the right data that allows us to distinguish between the propaganda and the facts that make out the real world.
Thanks very much to all of you..
This reminds me of an”Equalizer” episode or something of the sort.Loved that
well-written series . Ive held that deep within, even the most dishonest organizations
there are good people….
Sometimes the good guys win..
For those who think that knowledge of the weather is not a big deal for National Security, I invite you to read Patton’s prayer. His was a tactical knowledge (or hope ), but knowing more about the weather and the possible future climate than your opponents is absolutely of National Security interest in more ways than you might imagine.
“Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies, and establish Thy justice among men and nations. Amen.” (G. Patton)
Careful its not a false “made better” or “false worse” copy sent to make you look silly!
Has happened twice recently in Australian politics!
Stephen Brown (13:24:15) :I would suggest a “good taxman” will tax carbon trading, so making it only a marginal business (or should I say “swindle”?)
“Curiousgeorge”
Weather IS a big deal for National Security if it is in the context of the weather right now or the weather forecast for the immediate future. Knowing what the weather was a month ago, however, is of no tactical advantage whatsoever. You can not base an operation today on what the weather was last month.
It seems the British people are very angry with their ruling elite – this leak follows several others,including the release of the CD exposing the expenses fiddles being perpetrated by Members of Parliament.
So WUWT should keep on filing Information Requests – if they are denied, they are quite likely to get replies by the back door.
I would support michel’s advice at 11:40: be very protective of your mole.
Curious george,
You miss the point about Patton and other national security minded individuals. Obviously it doesn’t really matter to them what the real weather conditions are, they can always pray to their particular god and victory will be theirs.
@crosspatch
“There are plans afoot to tax the very view from your window.”
We already have that one!
(In the eightees they also taxed dogs, they had them wear a necklace with a tax receipt, am I kidding? Nope!)
/Rob from Sweden
Dan Murphy,
I posted in Tips and Notes that I would be willing to run down to Durango on any convenient day for the observer, if no one closer speaks up. Any excuse to put the fly rod in the car and take off for a few hours. Just tell me what to do.
I hope your bragging about someone’s photo doesn’t lead to them getting fired.
You’d better treat your helpers with caution, respect and professional judgement.
Weather data may certainly be of strategic interest, not just tactical. The Russian scientific establishment does not seem to have bought in to the AGW scenario and the Russian government has made great efforts to make Western Europe heavily dependent on their natural gas supply. They seem to be anxious for us to adopt AGW mitigation efforts while setting themselves up to benefit economically and geo-politically from the consequences of failure of those efforts.
I would recommend also noting that while a “mole” may be bringing out valuable information from a secretive base that is determined to hide its publicly–paid, non-classified data; that same “mole” may be a double agent bringing out only the message (“corrected”, corrupted, incomplete or invalid data) that the politicians within the enclave want released.
Such a person may be honest and acting from morally correct motives that are intended to reveal errors – or deliberate omissions – to the public eye that were being covered up by the “politically corrupt” masters inside the fence. He (she ?) might also be bringing out a time bomb set to allow the receivers to be arrested or charged, or merely embarrassed in public by other files revealed by the inmates (er, doctors) running the government’s asylum.
Dave Andrews (14:16:37)
I seem to recall that Patton got the weather he prayed for.
“In the eightees they also taxed dogs, they had them wear a necklace with a tax receipt, am I kidding? Nope!”
We have that in the US. Every two years I must pay a “license” fee for my dog to my county and I get a tag with the license number. We call it something different (license vs. tax) but it is effectively the same thing.
The obfuscation of data from which “scientific” claims and conclusions are drawn is the way science is properly done. Right? These people should be laughed out of the arena, laughed out of funding, laughed out of a job. A common shoplifter has more integrity.
@crosspatch & Dave. No, I did not miss the point. Pattons prayer was merely offered as a well known example of the interest the military has in matters of weather and the ability to forecast it. Future climate and weather is of major interest not only to the military in the tactical sense, but also to a nation in the strategic sense.
If you think this is a joke take a look thru DARPA.gov for Climate Forecasting, and other key words. One of the items you will run across is this interesting presentation from last year. http://www.darpa.mil/Docs/Next_Generation_Computing_200807180930584.pdf
Keep in mind that what you can access is not classified.
If you think about it the weather in the UK would have been a state secret when say, Napoleon or Hitler, was contemplating an invasion so a FOI denial might have made sense in 1939
One would thing that the global weather would not be of much use ton an invader… unless …. unless…. the invader is coming from another planet.
Deep space meets deep cool.
With freedom comes a great price. Freedom in a society allows those who do wrong the ability to move undetected. To give the government the ability to monitor us so that they can track the evildoers means we relinquish a good deal of our freedom. Where do we draw the line? I understand where Skeptic Tank is coming from, which I understand to be “loose lips sink ships”. James Bond struggled with his license to kill. The mole in this situation probably knows full well the implications of his/her actions, and realizes that it could cost him/her their job and/or future. Hopefully this is real and not some deception to discredit SM and AW, as Ian Holton has suggested. Either way this plays out, it should be VERY interesting.
Good work with acquiring that data. Hopefully it proves to be valuable.
I have a suggestion for another expose which will be preemptive related to the next area of focus by politicians (SST’s) in pressing the GW/Carbon Trading agenda as illustrated here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14504
This may have been covered here but it should be revisited. Argo sensors are the most accurate sensors for reading SST’s globally, they replaced XBT’s. A couple of years ago they began reporting widespread cooling of SST’s which Josh Willis (NASA scientist) reported and made public. Please read this article related to the subsequent data manipulation: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/
There was a huge furor over his findings (for obvious reasons) – as a result he went on a mission to ‘correct’ the data… after he had gone public and had plans to present his findings at a convention in days (obviously he was convinced). He ‘corrected’ his science by throwing out the ‘really’ cold sensors due to what he claimed as ‘bad data’ due to other readings in the areas (What readings? Better than Argo? Huh?) After throwing the coldest cutting-edge-of-technology Argo sensors out there was still a cooling effect. Hmmmm? It appears that the XBT sensors (pulled on a line from trade ships – not automated and dropping to depths of 2000 meters reading temps along the way, submerging and reporting back day-in-day-out like Argo) were proven to read warm in past studies – so of course he used them to ‘correct’ the data from Argo (it appears to me that he merged the two). Next time you get a Catscan and don’t like the results you may want to consider an X-ray for a second opinion.
I’d like someone to see about accessing Argo data. I’d also like to see Willis called to task and made to answer questions related to how he justified the manipulation of Argo data via omitting sensors and using outdated technology. Did he apply this method to the years they showed warmth? What scientific basis did he have to throw out the data? Were the sensors replaced? They seem to be accurate: http://www.seabird.com/technical_references/LongtermTSstabilityAGUDec08Handout2Pages.pdf
If something is to be done, this seems to be a good place to start – or maybe Steve M would like to look into it. Either way, SST’s are going to be the next big ‘reason’ used by politicians to further the cause – we should get a jump on them.
So one English mole leaked the Expense Claims of British MPs and we found out about their moat cleaning “expenses”.
Now another English mole has leaked what Prof Jones has been hiding for a long time.
So what’s in Prof Jones’ moat ?
Just a thought, but wouldn’t ‘Deep Chill’ sound better than ‘Deep Cool’?
@rephelen, yes he did. However, we don’t really need to pray for it anymore. Here’s an interesting item from Darpa in addition to the previous presentation I offered. http://www.darpa.mil/DARPATech2007/proceedings/dt07-sto-w-ricklin-haze.pdf . The point being that we have technology such as this to mitigate the effects of the atmosphere, and can therefore control the battlefield.
Going beyond that, to strategic interests, knowledge of regional climates allows planners to take advantage of logistical difficulties of opponents in many areas. And also to feed into GDP estimates of other nations, political capabilities, discontent among their populations that may be to our advantage, and so on.
August 2009 issue of Scientific American :
Apparently a columnist at Scientific American named David Appell thinks the work of people like Steve McIntyre and Anthony Watts is to seize on “errors to attack the credibility of scientists and sway public opinion.”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=stumbling-over-data
“John Good (13:03:27) :
Neil Hyde’s petition to Downing Street re UK Met Office refusal to release CRU data.
I’ve tried 3 times to sign this petition , I fill in the boxes click ’sign’ get the message that an e-mail has been sent and for me to confirm my signing. To date NO EMAIL to confirm. Is this site being deliberately blocked and have any others had the same problem?”
I have just signed with no problems.