Flashback: Snow in Buenos Aires – first time in 89 years

Flashback:  More from the “weather is not climate” department.

NOTE: These are news stories about unusual July weather in Argentina from 2007 which I thought might interest readers. Please note these stories are not from 2009.

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Picture: snow falls over the obelisk, in the center of Buenos Aires. From Clarin.

Killer Cold Snap Grips South America

Argentina’s capital, Buenos Aires, has seen snow for the first time in 89 years, as a cold snap continues to grip several South American nations.

Temperatures plunged to -22C (-8F) in parts of Argentina’s province of Rio Negro, while snow fell on Buenos Aires for several hours on Monday.

wait for it….

From Treehugger:

Snow in Buenos Aires: Was it Global Warming?

“It does not have to do with climate change, though climate change could have cooperated somehow by increasing humidity”.

Teleconnection perhaps?

from the BBC:

Snow in Buenos Aires - the first since 1918

Buenos Aires residents came out on the streets to see the snow

Argentina’s capital, Buenos Aires, has seen snow for the first time in 89 years, as a cold snap continues to grip several South American nations.

Temperatures plunged to -22C (-8F) in parts of Argentina’s province of Rio Negro, while snow fell on Buenos Aires for several hours on Monday.

Two deaths from exposure were reported in Argentina and one in Chile.

In Bolivia, heavy snowfall blocked the nation’s main motorway and forced the closure of several airports.

In Argentina, several provinces in the Andes have been placed under a storm alert, according to the national weather centre.

h/t to Ron de Haan

from Metsul

One of the most important cold spells to affect Southern Brazil in recent times brought record low temperatures, widespread and severe frost as well as snow to the region. On Thursday (July 12th), the state of Rio Grande do Sul was whitened by frost.

The freezing temperature was associated to the same air mass that prompted the first snowfall to the city of Buenos Aires (Argentina) in 89 years. Temperature in the city of Bage, state of Rio Grande do Sul, fell to minus 3,8 degrees Celsius, the lowest since 1955. Nearby, inside Uruguay, the national low in Mercedes was minus 6,6 degrees. At least three Uruguayans died in consequence of the cold temperatures. On Wednesday (July 11th), Porto Alegre, the state capital of Brazil’s southernmost state of Rio Grande do Sul, had one of its lowest ever recorded daily highs under clear sky conditions. The high only reached 9 degrees. In the following morning, the city awoke with frost inside the urban heat island, a rare fact not observed since July 14th 2000. The low temperature of 0,3 degree was the lowest since July 14th 2000. In the green areas of southern Porto Alegre, a 1.5 million inhabitants city, frost was intense and even the water has frozen in the ground. At midmorning ice could still be seen over cars parked in the streets.

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The high today in Rockford, Illinois is estimated to be 68 F.
Current temp 11:23 AM local time is 65F.

Jimmy Haigh

Impossible. Doesn’t that Argentinian snow know that the world has never been hotter than it is now?

Jimmy Haigh

More from Treehugger:
“… we can speak about ‘extreme phenomena’ that happen more often. Some examples are the droughts, flooding or the snow at unusual places that accompany the global warming process”.
And we wonder why we can’t have a serious debate with these people…

Stephen Wilde

Snow in Buenos Aires is not in itself significant.
A large area of cold for a long period of time is significant.
The cooling phase of the oceans is coincident with a sun less active than for 100 years.
The air circulation systems are clearly nearer the equator than they were during the recent warming spell.
We can now say that a peak of warming has been passed and we must now wait to see what the Earth has in store for us.
Not a propitious time to engage in climate manipulation.

urederra

Ummm…. I recall reading this exact piece of news last year.
Maybe a Deja Vu?
Nope, It did happen two years ago.
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2007/07/09/um/m-01453873.htm
Sorry is in Cervantes’ tonge, but you can see the very same pic you use in this blog entry and the newspaper is dated 07 July 2007
http://www.elpais.com/yoperiodista/articulo/Periodista/Republica_Argentina/nieve_en_buenos_aires_congreso_de_la_nacion_argent/Nieve/Buenos/Aires/elpepuyop/20070709elpyop_7/Tes
Here is another one, also in Spanish, dated 10 July 2007
REPLY: Yes, please see the update. I had this on “schedule” intending to come back later and finish it while I’m waiting for a plane at the airport today. But after going to get a shower this AM discovered I had bungled the “schedule” feature and it was actually live. See the update from Metsul.
– Anthony

Janet Rocha

Didn’t it snow in Buenos Aires last winter ? I think that they now have had two succesive years of snow.

federico

This is news from 2007…
Maybe the way they put their dates mislead you.
REPLY: Please see the update. I had this on “schedule” intending to come back later and finish it while I’m waiting for a plaine at the airport today. But after going to get a shower this AM discovered I had bungled the “schedule” feature and it was actually live. See the update from Metsul.
– Anthony

Ron de Haan

This cold spell also effected Brazil.
Anthony, maybe you should add this article to the current posting:
http://www.metsul.com/secoes/visualiza.php?cod_subsecao=32&cod_texto=858

urederra

Here is one from the Guardian in English.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/10/argentina.weather
Late April’s fool, Antony?

Jimmy Haigh

Please note that this report was from back in July 2007…

REPLY:
Yes, please see the update. I had this on “schedule” intending to come back later and finish it while I’m waiting for a plane at the airport today. But after going to get a shower this AM discovered I had bungled the “schedule” feature and it was actually live. See the update from Metsul.
– Anthony

Garacka

Doesn’t South America have poor temperature sensor coverage?
Then, depending on whether the cold hits key stations that are used to interpolate into the uncovered areas, this cold snap may not get the proper representation. On the other hand, maybe everything is good with the interpolation schemes and we’ll see uncovered SA areas cool off on the world temperature color charts

david atlan

It seems also to snow here in Europe:
Austria, in some regions roads over mountain passes: compulsory snow chains on cars:
http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20090718_OTS0012

Ron de Haan

Just for the record, we have seen similar events last year.

Steven Hill

Al Gore was right, expect cold in some areas and records to be broken. It’s just 70 here in Ky today and expected to get in the 50’s tonight. Gore was right, the cold is coming to all places of the earth. It’s all caused by CO2 and Global Warming!!!!

STAFFAN LINDSTROEM

Well, this was 2 years ago but next Thursday morning something similar MAY
happen…But if the next snowfall after that occurs in 2099…STILL only weather…

pkatt

Looks chilly:) Let me just add that to the list of first time in almost 100 year events we have been seeing on the cool side of weather lately.

WAZUP?

“BBC: Last Updated: Tuesday, 10 July 2007, 09:27 GMT 10:27 UK ”
REPLY: yes, please see the update, this wasn’t a finished article and accidentally went live before it was finished. It is finished now. – Anthony

Pasoa

Is this a recyled news ? I hear about snow in Buenos Aires just one or two years ago.

Jonathan

Have I stepped back in time?
These articles are from 2007.
REPLY: Please see the update and other explanations in comments further up. I apologize for the confusion. – Anthony

I wish that snow will also fall in Manila and other cities near the equator. Even for just an hour… Then the warmers in our country will have nothing more to say.

Brute

I’ve come to the conclusion that our politicians are purposely ignoring the evidence that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fraud. (Probably apparent to this audience for sometime).
I’ve written my Congressman several times highlighting the lack of correlation between CO2 and Temperature, decreases in hurricane activity despite increases in CO2, Arctic ice and Antarctic ice expansion, global sea ice at record levels, problems with surface station siteing, etc…… in a vain attempt to have him change his vote regarding Cap & Tax each time receiving a form letter thanking me for my “support” and indicating his “concern” for the “health” of the planet and his rationalization for supporting draconian regulation/tax increases to combat this mythological “climate” boogeyman.
In other words, THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE FACTS. They are hell bent on legislating control over citizen’s personal lifestyles and the means of production to fit their socialist model employing underhanded political tactics, agenda driven science, payoffs and deception to accomplish it.
This is not “right wing hyperbole” or scare mongering………government wrestling control over industry and our personal lives is happening right now despite the evidence that proves AWG is a sham. No doubt about it.
Strong words I know, but there is no disputing this now. Everyone has had the opportunity to do the research on their own and become informed.

Ron de Haan

Weather becoming Climate?
Snow in Brasil and Uraguay
5 Sep 2008 … What began in the morning as granular snow and sleet quickly became … that produced the first snow in Buenos Aires since 1918 last year. …
http://www.iceagenow.com/Snow_in_Brazil%20and%20Uraguay.htm – Similar
2007 – Other parts of the world
Historic snow in Buenos Aires – First snowfall since 1918!!!! And record winter in South America. Bariloche breaks cold record with MINUS 22ºC smashing …
http://www.iceagenow.com/2007_Other_Parts_of_the_World.htm – Similar
Record_Lows_2001
In Buenos Aires, snow fell for the first time since 1918. In Peru, 200 people died from the cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory …
http://www.iceagenow.com/Year_of_Global_Cooling.htm – Similar

DennisA

In 2004 a working paper from the UK Tyndall Centre contained these observations:
“In this paper, we explore under what conditions belief in global warming or climate change, as identified and defined by experience, science and the media, can be maintained in the public’s perception.”
“As the science itself is contested, needless to say, so are the potential policy changes. So how then do people make sense or construct a reality of something that they can never experience in its totality (climate) and a reality that has not yet manifest (i.e. climate change)?”
“To endorse policy change people must ‘believe’ that global warming will become a reality some time in the future.”
“Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming.”
“Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change.”
“We propose that in those countries where climate change has become the predominant popular term for the phenomenon, unseasonably cold temperatures, for example, are also interpreted to reflect climate change/global warming.”
Thus did cold become hot and black become white.
“The Social Simulation of the Public Perception of Weather Events and their Effect upon the Development of Belief in Anthropogenic Climate Change”
http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/publications/working_papers/wp58_summary.shtml

Adam from Kansas

All of a sudden Intellicast is forecasting for Wichita to be a bit cooler than normal for the last half of July, when we see temperatures around 93-94 for the high and the highest they’re forecasting is 91.
And guess the latest revision for their forecast for the high next Tuesday, a whopping 77 degrees, we still have a ways to go before the hot season is usually over though, though it may or may not get hot again.
Weather may be not climate, but apparently there’s reports of abnormal cold this month in both hemispheres, and then there’s El Nino (TAO site again) starting to look like it may end up struggling to stay alive later on or not making it another month and going *poof*

RobP

Anthony may have boo-booed slightly, but this has still been a cold winter in s America:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8146995.stm
“Children die in harsh Peru winter”
I think this was covered in WUWT, but I can’t find where.
What it does show is how cold weather kills more than hot weather – but of course, weather is not climate……

Stephen Wilde

DennisA (10:22:04)
That Tyndall document is highly incriminating and deserves wider dissemination.
The link wouldn’t let me save it. Can it be saved and distributed more widely ?
Is it protected in any way and are you in a position to release it ?

In a normal Dutch summer we have 3 days with highs above 30 degrees Centigrade.
In 2006 we were very lucky and had 11 days above 30 degrees.
2007 and 2008 were summers below average: just one day above 30.
In 2009 we are still waiting for the first hot summerday.

Stephen Wilde

“Having listed the variables, it must be restated that our concern is with the process of belief formation, that is, with the dynamic interaction of the above events in the social construction of the reality of global warming or climate change”.
The above is an extract from that Tyndall Centre document referred to by DennisA.
Quite incredible.
A clear confession that the science has been subordinated to political manipulation.
Tyndall would have a fit.

oMan

Went to a conference in Geneva Switzerland last week hosted by World Intellectual Property Organization (UN affiliated agency). Topic: “Intellectual Property and Public Policy” and one of the four main policy areas was “Climate Change” where speaker after speaker used that term as a synonym for global warming, took it as gospel, and called for innovative technology to capture carbon and mitigate the impact of rising temperatures and oceans, etc. These people are part of THE global policy elite and for them it’s a done deal.
By the time they wake up and smell the coffee, which they will do only at gunpoint, the policy and legal and financial damage will be far along. Very, very depressing.

Billy Bob

Anthony:
You must be on your plane by now, but I think the post is still a bit confusing, even after the update. I may be a little slow, but it took me a few reads and clicking on the Metsul link to figure out that the Metsul link was actually a current event and not just part of the flashback. Just a heads-up for the sake of clarity.
Enjoy reading the site and appreciate all the hard work you and the contributors put in.

rbateman

Long range forecasts are showing big drops in August.
What with the continued lack of sunspot acitivity (and the kitchen sink which come with the territory), falling temps leapfrog Southern Winter to Northern Winter. Each jump comes with it’s freeze multipliers..
Anybody who can’t figure out what comes next, go sit in the corner with your Pie a-la-Gore.

Nogw

However…NOAA says the sea in front of Buenos Aires is RED on fire:
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomw.7.16.2009.gif
How do you call this?

Jerry Lee Davis

This is bit off-topic, but I would like to mention that the University of Colorado has just updated their website http://sealevel.colorado.edu/ with about 3-months worth of 2009 sea level data. It is even more clear now that sea level is no longer rising.
A couple of notes: (1) Apparently all the data have been edited, so to work with one of the data sets one needs to download it all, and (2) if cubic polynomials are fitted to the data sets, they all four show local maxima in 2008 or early 2009 (no need to point out to me that this is not very sound analysis–I know that already).

rbateman

Adam from Kansas (10:25:49) :
“Poof” is what’s left of Wall-E Nina after Eva Nino shot him with her raygun.

Stephen Wilde

and this :
“By quasi-reality we mean a reality that thus far is
defined by expert knowledge and is surrounded by uncertainty.”

Nogw

The cold spell will last three days more: (acording to http://www.clarin.com )
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/07/12/um/m-01957073.htm
As I said: look at the red burning spot noaa shows in front of Buenos Aires…

Snow in Buenos Aires was a rare event, at least during the 20th Century. But during the Little Ice Age the extremley cold climate/weather was the main cause for the extermination of the first settlers in 1516. The extense frosts prevented the small population to raise cattle and have decent crops. They mostly perished of hunger, and the rest was killed by the Indians when they were so few and weak that couldn’t defend thmeselves.
But Buenos Aires is now a huge heat island (about 12 million people) and has a big buffer in the Río de la Plata that keeps the temperature amplitude down. Temps in the city are consistently about 6ºC higher than in the country 60 miles away, where extense “black” frosts have been happening during the last weeks.
One notorius thing is that most cities founded by Spanish Conquistadores were during the winter. Expeditions came always from Santa Cruz, in Bolivia and Asunción, Paraguay, quite in tropical areas. But they had to stop and make camp due to the terrible cold weather/climate they encountered. My city, Córdoba, was founded on July 6th, 1573. We are at 34ºS, 64ºW and our clima is “mediterranean”, with a wide temperature amplitude. An example: in my house, 10 miles west of Córdoba, a ranch in open country, we had -6.20ºC in the morning, but at 4:00 pm we had 20ºC because the sun was shinning nice and there was a warm breeze coming from the northwest.
During the cold winter of 2007 it snowed in the entire central region of Argentina, and even snowed in Tucumán, on the Tropic of Capricorn. In my area there always snow in the mountains 40 miles west of the city (from 1500- to 2200 m altitude) when there is enough humidity for clouds to be formed. This year it also snowed but not as much as in previous years due to the severe drought we have been experiencing.
According to an analysis of records I did in 2004, our area has been cooling noticeably since 1987. The article (in Spanish, though the graphs are universal) can be found in: http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Calen5/CordobaTemp.html
But as temperatures have been going down since 2004, the cooling trend is even greater. I must (and will) update the graphs.

Rick

not sure what the point of this is other than to show an old cold weather event. In that case it was cold at various times in the past few years here in Vancouver except when it wasn’t.

urederra

david atlan (09:45:12) :
It seems also to snow here in Europe:
Austria, in some regions roads over mountain passes: compulsory snow chains on cars:
http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20090718_OTS0012

I posted a comment yesterday in this blog saying that I was watching Le Tour de France live on TV and while they were climbing a mountain, I can’t remember if it was Platzelwasel or Firstplan, it was snowing.
It wasn’t the Alps, like I said yesterday, but in North-East France, close to the border with Germany. The thing is that these mountains are not as high as the Alps (the road through Platzelwasel is 1200 m over sea level) but it was snowing, nonetheless.

Stephen Brown

Stephen Wilde (10:48:02) :
DennisA (10:22:04)
That Tyndall document is highly incriminating and deserves wider dissemination.
The link wouldn’t let me save it. Can it be saved and distributed more widely ?
Is it protected in any way and are you in a position to release it ?
I’ve saved it. Just open the .pdf and then click the floppy disc icon in the Adobe screen toolbar, select the destination, cick and it’s done.
Simple.

Adam from Kansas

rbateman: Can you show us the long range forecasts that show these big drops for next month, I would like to see them and whether they have been proven when it comes to accuracy, will you please provide the links 🙂

Yesterday, I heard an AGWist talking about the current meteorological phenomena. He said (in Spanish): “The climate is changing and it is happening due to the global warming caused by the carbon dioxide emitted by the human beings.”
He said it on a top-audience hour through a high-rating radio-station. He’s a radical environmentalist, not a scientist or an engineer, who makes his life from environmentalist activities. Unfortunately, the anchor was absolutely on this irrational posture and didn’t question a single word but, to the contrary, agreed with the posture.
Regarding the assertion of the environmentalist, I would take the first phrase, “The climate is changing” and would add “Because the climate has been always changing”. On the last two phrases I would say, “It is impossible that global warming produces global cooling”, and “the carbon dioxide, whether emitted by humans beings or not, is heated up by the energy transferred from the surface, but does not heat up anything”. It is similar to a water bucket placed on a stove burner. The heat emitted by the burner heats up the water, water would not heat up suddenly if there is not a primary energy source at a higher temperature than water’s own temperature. Similarly, the hot water would not warm up to the stove burner until you reach the temperature at which the stove burner was when it was on fire, but until you reach a temperature of equilibrium.
If they had requested me for evidence from nature, I would have given them data obtained from the daily observations that I made during twilight -nighttime- sunrise from spring to autumn. I started measuring the radiation emitted by the surface during twilight per each hour using a radiometer. The first hour the temperature of the soil was 26.3 °C. The next hour the temperature had dropped down to 25.4 °C, and so it went dropping down until midnight when the temperature of the soil was 24.3 °C. The radiation emitted during sunrise caused a soil’s temperature of 19.2 °C.
On the other hand, sometimes the temperature of the atmosphere was 1 °C to 0.4 °C higher than the temperature of the soil and other times it was lower than the temperature of the soil. The equilibrium temperature happened between 20:00 and 23:00 hours; however, the soil was not heated up by the atmosphere because the equilibrium temperature was given by decreases of the temperature of the air, not by increases of the temperature of the soil. The latter phenomenon is evidenced by the higher temperature of the soil after the crossed points occurred. The explanation for this increase of the temperature of the soil resides on the transfer of energy from the subsurface materials of the ground, which exhibited a larger energy load than the upper surface of the ground.
Sometimes the air was at a lower temperature than the soil; however, the relative humidity was higher than during the hours previous to decreases of the temperature of the air. In none of the latter cases the temperature of the soil increased by the effect of radiation emitted from the atmosphere. The evidence from this data is that the relative humidity is inversely proportional to the temperature of the surface and the air.
You can get your own conclusions.

Stephen Wilde

Stephen Brown (12:03:49)
Thanks, it worked this time.
http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/publications/working_papers/wp58.pdf
I think it crosses certain moral and ethical boundaries.
Those people are paid by the taxpayer to tell the truth as best they can.
If the truth is in doubt then they should not hide that.
In this case they go further. They admit that the truth is in doubt but for public consumption there is a consensus and the science is settled.
That may be a criminal deception.
In a democracy it is for the people to make decisions through the voting system. To make decisions they need the truth.
Denial of the truth by a taxpayer funded body is a criminal misuse of taxpayer resources.
Manipulation of perception is a negation of democracy because decisions made without full knowledge are decisions denied.
That paper is the sort of thing that would have been common and unexceptional in pre 1989 Russia.

Frank Lansner

OT: Sealevel updated from Colerado university, here downloaded data in graphic:
http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/vedhaeftninger/sealevelmar2009.gif

rbateman

Adam from Kansas (12:12:10) :
http://theweatherwiz.com/forcast-usa.php
You have to go at least 11 days into the future, otherwise it links you to standard forecasts.
Pick the city of your choice, and jot down the results.
Have some fun.

And – and – The ‘heat wave’ in North Central Texas came to an end with an unseasonable cold front (and rain!) from the north … we saw temps this morning in the low 70F range whereas we usually see morning low temps in the low to mid 80F range …
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Frank Lansner (13:44:20) :
OT: Sealevel updated from Colerado university, here downloaded data in graphic:
http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/vedhaeftninger/sealevelmar2009.gif

It’s on topic, indeed. We’re leaving the icehouse period characterized by a regression phase which in turn will evolve towards a warmhouse characterized by a transgression phase which a highstand similar to the Pleistocene highstand phase. Nothing new under the Sun.
The problem is that some people attributes this kind of natural phenomena to human activities, which is utterly pseudoscience as the idea gives no chance to realistic natural explanations. Have you noticed that the detractors of the natural explanation never use experimentation for support their arguments? They say, for example, Svensmark’s theory is erroneous and purely non sense; but they never say on what real events they are basing their heckler rhetoric.
They could say something like “in 2000 models made by such and that scientists demonstrated the unfeasibility of Svensmark’s theory”, but they cannot say something like “the reproduction of Svensmark’s experiments by such and that scientists gave opposed results”. Got it?

John F. Hultquist

Stephen Wilde (10:48:02) : Re: the Tyndall document
The title of this is: The Social Simulation of the Public Perception of Weather Events and their Effect upon the Development of Belief in
Anthropogenic Climate Change
and this seems to be a “research” report rather than a statement of policy. For example, from page 11:
“Based on our assumption that the framing of the issue has a significant impact for the public’s social construction of the issue we begin with two preliminary propositions:
Proposition 1. a. Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming.
Proposition 1. a. Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change.
Figure 4 displays the process by which the data from the natural sciences is entered into the model and subsequently …”
There are two 1.a. terms in the original; may be a typo
However, as to saving the thing, I went to the link above and then right clicked on the Full document link there and saved the full 41 page PDF. But I haven’t read all 41 pages.

Tom in snow free Florida

Nogw (11:05:33) : “However…NOAA says the sea in front of Buenos Aires is RED on fire:
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomw.7.16.2009.gif
NOAA also had “light snow” in Key West FL last week.

Europe has also been hit each winter with record freezing temeperatures. In the summer they get record heat waves. Yes, there is climate change and all is not good with change. Take Obama – NO GOOD CHANGE.
http://newsbird.wordpress.com/