Compelling video: Angry voters confront Congressman who voted for cap and trade

From Tom Nelson

At the 4:12 mark, a speaker says that he hopes Castle loses his Congressional seat over his support of cap and trade, and the crowd cheers. Castle smiles briefly, then his face grows grim.

Around the 7:12 mark, Castle is booed after he says he believes in AGW.

The town hall listening tour on health care 3 days after his vote for Cap and Trade. June 30, 2009.

Michael Castle: Information from Answers.com

Michael Newbold “Mike” Castle (born July 2, 1939) is an American lawyer and politician from Wilmington in New Castle County, Delaware. He is a member of the Republican Party, who served in the Delaware General Assembly, as Lieutenant Governor of Delaware, and two terms as Governor of Delaware. He is currently the incumbent Republican U.S. Representative, serving his eighth term.

In related news:

Protesters show up at Space office | zanesvilletimesrecorder.com | Zanesville Times Recorder

Rich Miller, 76, of Zanesville, said he, too, is concerned about not just health care, but how the entire system is running.

“I’m sick to death of the whole deal,” Miller said. “The government is taking everything they can out of the people’s hands.”

Miller said he wants to see values in the country returned to the way they were more than a year ago.

“It scares me to death what the people in Washington are doing to us,” Miller said. “I voted for Space but when he voted for the Cap and Trade, that was it.”

Mark Hicks drove from Athens to tell Space that he’s never seen a more irresponsible government.

Zack Space: Information from Answers.com

Zachary T. “Zack” Space (born January 27, 1961) of Dover, Ohio, is an American politician of the Democratic Party and presently serves in the U.S. House of Representatives for Ohio’s 18th congressional district.

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101 thoughts on “Compelling video: Angry voters confront Congressman who voted for cap and trade

  1. This is just the beginning.
    I know how deeply rooted Republican voters and politicians usually are in their values.
    Cap & Trade is about as extremist as you can get to them.
    I must have seemed like a nightmare to those in that room, thier trusted GOP Congressman voting for that bill.

  2. Right, the people made the promisse to vote him out of office at the next election.

    That should do it.

    Hopefully the Senators get the same message.

    Thanks for posting this video.

  3. OT, but it looks like NYC finally touched 85 degrees, for the first time in June or July. It happened yesterday, for less than one hour, according to the NWS Central Park records. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KNYC.html.

    Doesn’t look like it’s going to happen again in the short term, so it could be the only time all summer.

  4. Douglas DC (13:22:58) :

    We are having a “Howard Beale” moment here:

    Right, that was when television was the dominant medium.

    But the concept is good.

    People have a lot “to be mad as hell” about with this Administration.
    Looks more like Russia by the day.

  5. Delaware has only one House district. The majority of the voters in the state are in the heavily Democrat New Castle County. AGW is a “hook” that the Democratic Party uses to justify their social agenda. In fact, it has been stated that they “don’t care” if the AGW theory is wrong, they are going to continue to pound on it in order to get their “global governance” agenda further along.

    Mike Castle is not going to say anything in public that offends his Democrat voters who make up the majority of his constituents. He has an R after his name but he runs in a very Democratic district. Statewide, Delaware is 48% Democrat, 31% Republican, and 21% “other”. Castle’s popularity stems from his two terms as Governor of the state. He was Lt. Governor for the extremely popular Pete du Pont and rode into office on duPont’s popularity, sort of like George HW Bush after Reagan.

    Castle is going to say the “correct” thing because his career depends on it. It isn’t about “AGW”. It is about politics.

  6. I don’t understand why cap-and-trade is needed. All the government has to do is allocate substantial funding (or just print more money) for alternative energy sources and when we come up with one (or more) in x years, then we start the switch. And this is assuming that the AGW science is right.

    I read somewhere that one iteration of this cap-and-trade bill has us sending billions of dollars to companies in foreign countries to not chop down trees…

  7. All the Cap n’ Tradesters, Democratic and Republican alike are traitors. They sold out our country in favor of a fraudulent idea based on lies which will be extremely costly to us. I don’t think the Dems know what’s coming toward them next election. People are angry.

  8. EVEN if it does it – they’ll just do it again. The lesson that Politics hijacked science won’t be learned. If we are lucky those that did it this time will be shamed but Gore already made I don’t know how many millions on it. Maybe its just endemic to being human that this will happen.

  9. Anyone live in Delaware that would challenge him in the primary? You’ve got the backing of a lot of people if so!

  10. Mark (14:08:18) :

    Yes, they’ll take out billions to not chop down trees and turn right around and do it anyway. Stupidity squared.

  11. He lied about reading. I use videoconferencing for interviewing. We are trained in catching how people lie. I did read the addition. It was not a straightforward document. It used line after line partial sentences that reffered back to certain paragraphs and how they should change You can’t read a paragraph on the first long section without the related changes required by the addendum.
    I have read the health care bill entirely. Page 425 mentions how every 5 years or less old people should get counseling regarding “giving it up”. I wonder at his age if he will submit to giving up soon? They of course have a more flowery wording than I used.

  12. I have been in five wars for the United States, so not much rattles me, but I have to admit, this internal battle with its European tentacles is beginning to be a bit unnerving.

  13. “Anyone live in Delaware that would challenge him in the primary? ”

    If your political message is counter-“progressive” your family will be attacked, the friends of your family will be attacked, your trash will be gone through, neighbors questions, etc. It is part of the “shut up” politics the Democratic party uses in this country. If they don’t like your message, they use the same tactics as organized crime does to intimidate you into silence.

  14. Delaware = duPont . Think about it – they stand to gain big from C&T . Lawrence Solomon had a column on this in the National Post a couple of weeks ago .

  15. I wonder how many and which Senators will receive this kind of reaction when they take their fall break? I suspect quite a few. This kind of thing can easily snowball (pun intended ), and hopefully will put a stop to the foolishness in DC. It’s one thing to be on the receiving end of emails, and quite another to have people get in your face!

  16. @ henrychance – ……………………Page 425 mentions how every 5 years or less old people should get counseling regarding “giving it up” .

    Well, if one believes that people are the cause of the prophesied “Climate Catastrophe” , then the logical remedy is to eliminate the people. Perhaps we can get folks like Castle, Gore, Hansen, Pelosi, Obama, et al to lead by example. ;)

  17. D. King (14:20:48) :

    I have been in five wars for the United States, so not much rattles
    me, but I have to admit, this internal battle with its European
    tentacles is beginning to be a bit unnerving.

    E Pluribus Unum!
    Keep the faith mate – This may be the dirtiest of your half-dozen wars – Ms Gaia is on our side this time

  18. Faites attention!
    After a ‘flurry” of sunspots, solar flux (10.7 cm radio waves) is down to 66.

    http://www.solarcycle24.com/ [look at the text, not the data box, which shows a rounded number]
    Yikes. Keep an eye on the flux number; if it starts declining again, it’s hunker-down time, notithstanding a periodic spot or two. There just won’t be enough energy available to get “normal” ramp-up of SC24.

    BTW have NASA revised their SC24 predictions again yet??

  19. crosspatch (14:27:58) :

    “Anyone live in Delaware that would challenge him in the primary? ”

    If your political message is counter-”progressive” your family will be attacked, the friends of your family will be attacked, your trash will be gone through, neighbors questions, etc. It is part of the “shut up” politics the Democratic party uses in this country. If they don’t like your message, they use the same tactics as organized crime does to intimidate you into silence.

    Crosspatch, I’ve read and silently agreed, with every one of your numerous posts hitherto, until now. I can’t argue with the points you made about what has happened before. They are a matter of public record but your negativism about what will happen is defeatist.

    The tide is turning – public scepticism is on the increase- even RealClimacteric is expressing caveats that “Apocolypse Now” may be “Apocolypse Apologia”
    Remember that the darkest hour is just before dawn- and reality is dawning and damned quickly.
    Keep up the good work sir.

  20. History seems to be working in mysterious ways. Someone has probably made this comparison before on WUWT, but the Cap’n’Traders appear to be following a path similar in some ways to that of the British government in the late 18th Century. Waxman-Markey – in the tradition of the Townshend Acts of 1767? Strange times, these.

  21. Not to put too much of a partisan spin on things (Republicans, at least the last batch that had the reigns, didn’t do much better), but I’m working up a bumper sticker that reads:

    Irresponsible Leadership
    for an
    Unsustainable Future
    Vote Democrat!

    That’s the least offensive version of what I have in mind.

  22. I think you all overestimate the intelligence of the average voter (P.T. Barnum in reverse). This has been sold as “painless, just 44 cents per day” and “saving the planet”. Who could oppose that? Only a few malcontents.

    Nothing will happen until the real price/tax increases hit, then the pols will blame it all on greedy businessmen, with appropriate Congressional hearings.

    Congress never does anything wrong. Unless a Republican president ‘lies’ to them. If Bush hadn’t bailed out of Kyoto, none of this would have been needed and we would all be fat and happy.

    {SNIP!} (multiple times)

  23. Billy Bob, thanks for pointing out an example of global climate warming, rather than mere weather that the deniers do :-)

  24. Mark Kirk and Mike Castle aren’t running for reelection. They are running for the Senate, for the seats that belonged to Obama and Biden.

  25. Crosspatch,

    Castle shouldn’t be such a chicken; there are 21% other, who probably are not buying the AGWers’ BS so go for it. Problem is, as a professional politician, he will be conformist.

  26. @No free wind: Re: Van Jones. Interesting. I wonder if Obama knows he will be judged by the company he keeps? As this kind of revelation enters public awareness, there will be a national outrage gaining momentum. It could easily turn violent, resulting in any number of unwelcome scenarios as the current administration clings to power in the face of growing unrest.

  27. All,

    I think at the end of the day is that politicians need to realize this: Their duty is to do their duty according to the constitution and nothing more. Their job is not to control the people. The free market does a pretty good job of that. Worry only about the powers granted to them by the constitution and nothing more (and yes, we need to severely limit the “provide for the general welfare” part).

    Everyone just wants to be left alone and not work for the bureaucrats 5 months out of the year.

    Just leave us alone and stop trying to control our lives and everything else on the planet for your own monetary gain. I believe this is all people really want.

  28. Bruce Cobb (14:11:33) : “All the Cap n’ Tradesters, Democratic and Republican alike are traitors. They sold out our country in favor of a fraudulent idea based on lies which will be extremely costly to us. I don’t think the Dems know what’s coming toward them next election. People are angry.”

    Some of them know. That’s why the Demagogic Party has to prevent the next election from ever happening. Can you say, “martial law?” I knew you could.

  29. http://www.givemeliberty.org/
    http://www.resistnet.com/

    Two very nice sites to help you get involved in the fight to stop the insanity that is happening in our gov. Sometimes writing doesnt do it. But groups that show up and challenge their reps leave a lasting impression. Its time for us to stand up and be heard. Its one of those what can you do for your country moments.

  30. I’m from Illinois and I can tell you Mark Kirk is having a LOT of trouble raising money. He is having second thoughts about running for Obama’s Senate Seat.

  31. hareynolds (14:51:00) :
    After a ‘flurry” of sunspots, solar flux (10.7 cm radio waves) is down to 66.
    No, it stands at 69.2 [this noon]. The 66 is because we are about the farthest from the Sun we can get [each year around 4th July]. So what looks like a slide from the values of six months ago is just because we have moved away from the Sun since then.

    BTW have NASA revised their SC24 predictions again yet??
    No, it still stands at 80. Mine stands at ~72. It will not be revised any further, as the polar fields [just before minimum] on which it is based have already started a [slow and barely significant] decline due ot new SC24 that is beginning to eat away at the polar fields.

  32. Mark (14:08:18) :
    “I don’t understand why cap-and-trade is needed. All the government has to do is allocate substantial funding (or just print more money) for alternative energy sources and when we come up with one (or more) in x years, then we start the switch. And this is assuming that the AGW science is right.
    I read somewhere that one iteration of this cap-and-trade bill has us sending billions of dollars to companies in foreign countries to not chop down trees…”

    Here are some quotes that will fill you in on the “Grand Scheme”

    It seems Obama helped set up the Chicago Climate exchange ““the world’s first and North America’s only legally binding greenhouse gas emission registry reduction system for emission sources and offset projects in North America and Brazil.” Al Gore and Maurice Strong are heavily involved. Strong is now in Beijing running from Canada and US Authorities because of the “Oil-for-Food” fraud. http://warofillusions.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/obama-maurice-strong-al-gore-key-players-cashing-in-on-chicago-climate-exchange/

    And who does Maurice Strong work for in Beijing? CH2M Hill.
    “…CH2M Hill, 1946 in Corvallis, Oregon, is “an employee-owned, multinational firm providing engineering, construction, operations and related services to public and private clients in numerous industries on six continents. CH2M HILL offers integrated services that help … clients take any infrastructure project from concept to reality. Every element of [the] firm is structured to leverage [its] collective knowledge, allow [it] to satisfy each client’s unique needs and deliver results that ensure success.” CH2M Hill has “nearly 200 offices on 6 continents.”[1] “The name CH2M HILL is derived from the names of the founders of the company. In 1946, Fred Merryfield (an Oregon State College civil engineering professor) and Holly Cornell, James Howland, and T. Burke Hayes (former students of Merryfield) formed CH2M using their initials to form the company name.” In 1971, the company “merged with Clair A. Hill & Associates to become CH2M HILL.”[2] CH2M HILL Companies and Subsidiaries…” http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk.religion.bahai/2008-11/msg00491.html

    Strong is also an advisor to the Chinese top brass, So he is all ready to take the CO2 emissions money and invest it in China.

    “….It is instructive to read Strong’s 1972 Stockholm speech and compare it with the issues of Earth Summit 1992. Strong warned urgently about global warming, the devastation of forests, the loss of biodiversity, polluted oceans, the population time bomb. Then as now, he invited to the conference the brand-new environmental NGOs [non-governmental organizations]: he gave them money to come; they were invited to raise hell at home. After Stockholm, environment issues became part of the administrative framework in Canada, the U.S., Britain, and Europe…..”
    http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg106963.html

    What does Strong think of the USA?

    “….Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing – are not sustainable…..” – Maurice Strong, Rio Earth Summit
    (notice it is the MIDDLE CLASS that is target not the likes of Al Gore and the ultra rich.

    So what is Strong’s solution?

    “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” Maurice Strong
    http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societies/Groups/DAVOS/davos.htm

    Obama is rushing to carry out Strong”s wishes. The dominos leading to the collapse of the USA are being put in place.
    Massive US debt and hyper inflation of US currency (our money supply doubled within three months)
    Increasing Unemployment (real estimates are over 20%)
    Take over of the farmland and food supply http://yupfarming.blogspot.com
    Gun registration and the Patriots Act
    Ordinary citizens placed on the terrorist watch list for voting third party
    The World Trade Organization (1995) and “free trade agreements” caused a mass exodus of manufacturing. We had LESS manufacturing jobs in 1996 than in 1970 and that was before the “free trade agreements” kicked in to accelerate the exodus. With Cap and trade limits on energy and the phobia against nuclear, a recover such as happened after 1933 is unlikely especially since our education system ranks at the bottom of the heap with only two third world countries do worse then the USA.

    America thinks they are great and invincible and unless they wake up and LOOK at what is happening this country will find itself like Iceland, sold out to the World Bank by its leaders. And yes I am diligently trying to wake people up.

    Check out the World Bank/IMF SAP “structural adjustment program” to see what is done to those countries in debt to the World Bank. http://www.whirledbank.org/development/sap.html

  33. Curiousgeorge (15:51:59) :

    History shows us what happens when the leadership gambles recklessly with the population’s existence. This is as good a case example as any.
    It would be a far better thing for special elections to be held to get rid of the bad apples before they bring the house down around our ears.
    A recall in time saves 9 *10^6 lives.

  34. Waxman–Markey :

    page 973 : “adversely affected worker” (example–someone who has lost their job because Cap N Trade squeezed their place of employment go out of business, or their place of employment left America for a better place, etc., etc.) — shall receive 70 percent of their prior weekly wage, “payable for a period not longer than 156 weeks (3 years).”

    pages 986-987 : the unemployed worker can submit up to $1,500 in job search reimbursements, and get another $1,500 to cover his moving expenses.

    pages 1014-1016 : “Monthly Energy Refund,” for those with a gross income that “does not exceed 150 percent of the poverty line…a direct deposit,” of an undisclosed amount of money, deposited directly “into the eligible household’s designated bank account…” (i.e. welfare by another name, and you don’t have to stand in line for it)

    pages 1083-1087 : new office will be created at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to “ensure a continuous level of high-quality data collected through a national observation and monitoring infrastructure…”

    page 1102 : “Summer Institutes Program and the Regional Climate Center…The purpose of the program is to provide training and professional enrichment by providing opportunities for interaction between participants and climate scientists in a research and operational setting to-enable middle school and high school teachers to integrate weather and climate sciences into their curricula:”

    PDF of Waxman–Markey :

    http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr2454_sub.pdf

    ———————————–

    Where will the money come from ? And do we want the government controlling what is taught in schools in regards to “climate sciences” ?

    ————————————

    Let’s hope the man is right : a ‘yes’ vote for Waxman–Markey is a vote to put them out of office.

  35. Leif Svalgaard (16:49:03) :
    hareynolds (14:51:00) :
    “BTW have NASA revised their SC24 predictions again yet??”
    No, it still stands at 80.

    Correction: NASA [Hathaway, actually] has it at 85. The NASA/NOAA/SWPC panel has it at 90.
    Mine is at 72.

  36. Waxman–Markey–pages 1083-1087 : new office will be created at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to “ensure a continuous level of high-quality data collected through a national observation and monitoring infrastructure…”

    If Anthony was in charge of it maybe I’d accept.

  37. Remember, fighting C&T is not only good for your country it will be good for MY country (Australia) also. We need to win this global fight.

  38. @ henrychance – ……………………Page 425 mentions how every 5 years or less old people should get counseling regarding “giving it up” .

    Henry,
    Any chance you’ve got a link to this text?

  39. Lots of folks have demanded their reps read all the bills they vote on. Impossible. Many of them are too old to even see a page clearly. Besides, it’s a moot point. We pay millions to finance their staffs, plus committee staffs. They are the ones who read the bills and advise their Members of the contents. That’s how it works. Unless we somehow get rid of their staffs (not a bad idea), that’s how things will remain on Capitol Hill.

  40. Dont worry guys. The shift in global power and center of civilizations is just as natural as the climate cycle. It is technological advantage that often catalize the power shift and in the case of the power on the downhill course it is political dogma taking over the scientific reality that catalize the downhill trend. Remember how the Greek fire was turned down by monarch’s and shifted the power in the ancient world and in not so recent history china’s close door policy to emerging technologies. So you have the cap and trade today.

  41. I have read the health care bill entirely. Page 425 mentions how every 5 years or less old people should get counseling regarding “giving it up”.

    I wonder if Ted Kennedy is the recipient of such counseling.

  42. Curiousgeorge,

    What do you mean, “the company he keeps”, because he is THE COMPANY!!! He picked them, and it wasn’t by any accident. These are the clowns that are working right now to make your electricity skyrocket,
    http://nofreewind.blogspot.com/2009/07/alternative-energy-will-make-your.html
    , Secretary of Interior Salazar says we can replace coal plants with offshore wind.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/06/offshore-wind-power-could_n_183593.html
    that would take a gizillion turbines and even that wouldn’t work Whatsoever.
    and all the stupid things the buffoon Energy Secretary Chu has said, surely I know more than him about energy.
    Read here to see for a good overview of Obama’s Government.
    http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/ObamasGovernment.htm

  43. Regardless of which side of the divide one is on, this is one of the most important pieces of legislation of our time. Any representative who voted on it without reading it isn’t fit to serve and should be voted out — and even though I understand how the beltway works, it’s too important to leave to a 22 year old legislative assistant.
    Wouldn’t you fire an employee who signed a contract on your behalf without reading it?

  44. Ecochemist (16:03:21) :
    The preamble to the constitution is the only place it says anything like that and the exact wording despite what the loons in congress and the greenie in chief want us to believe are”to PROMOTE the general welfare” not PROVIDE promote as in make a business climate where it pays to give to charity and where private industry or local religious institutions take care of the poor and the needy not taxing them out of existence with the largest tax hike in U.S. history via cap and trade.

    climbing off my soapbox now

  45. Cong. Space is a district east of where I live in Central Ohio. His district is probably naturally Republican, and is certainly naturally conservative. Space was first elected in 2006 when the previous Congresscritter for that District, Bob Ney was convicted of corruption and sent to the Federal Home for Retired Congresscritters where he now breaks rocks in the hot sun. The miracle of the Won carried Space to victory in 2008. I doubt that he will have much wind in his sails in 2010, and I would guess that in the next congress that district will be represented by an R.

  46. Well, after 34 years in federal service of one kind or another —

    I MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!

    (Deep breath, deep breath, deep breath.)

    Well. I feel better now. See you back at the office on Monday ;-))

  47. Mark (14:08:18): I read somewhere that one iteration of this cap-and-trade bill has us sending billions of dollars to companies in foreign countries to not chop down trees…

    Some forest facts:

    * Germany has roughly the same land area as Montana (~86 million acres). Germany harvests 12 billion board feet per year.

    * The US Forest Service manages ~200 million acres nationwide. The USFS harvest 2 billion board feet per year.

    * The USFS burns in wildfires ~10 million acres and roughly 25 billion board feet per year.

    * An acre of wildfire emits roughly 50 tons/acre of greenhouse gases, about the amount emitted by 5 automobiles driven all year long. About 4 times that amount is emitted over the next few decades as the dead (but not combusted) wood decays.

    * The amount of greenhouse gases emitted by USFS wildfires is equivalent to that emitted by 50 million cars driven all year, and 4 times that amount at the dead wood decays.

    * Carbon in harvested wood remains sequestered for many decades, as long as the lumber produced is not burned and does not rot.

    Refraining from “chopping down trees” does nothing to sequester carbon if those trees are consumed by catastrophic wildfires. Planting a tree does not reduce carbon emissions if that tree is burned up.

    There IS such a thing as the carbon cycle. Over any lengthy time period, the net carbon storage by forests is zero.

    When forests that are 100+ years old are incinerated by deliberate Let It Burn policies on a 20-year-cycle, the net carbon storage is negative.

    Responsible forest management that harvests sequestered carbon and converts it to long-lived wood products results in net positive carbon storage, especially if the active management reduces the area burned annually by catastrophic fires. Reduction in catastrophic fires also benefits wildlife habitat, watersheds, airsheds, recreation, public health and safety, and rural and urban economies.

  48. I’m confident that Castle and nearly every member of congress with at least two operating brain cells knows quite well that AGW is an dubious hypothesis that will likely turn out to be complete crap. But for politicians, that’s not the point. The point is money. Money for the “green” special interests within their districts, money to pay the the huge bills for their porkulus package, money for the never-ending treadmill of getting reelected. Money.

    It’s not just in Washington, DC. Here in little ol’ Snohomish County, Washington State, the County Council recently tripled the surface water fee levied on landowners within certain watersheds. The money was needed, they said, for additional National Pollution Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) efforts, because the Orcas of Puget Sound were at risk.

    In short, they played the Environment Card; the one all-purpose excuse for tax hikes that so many people still dumbly accept. In fact, the killer whales are thriving, and even if they weren’t, most of the money is now being spent, not on NPDES, but to alleviate the County’s recessionary revenue decline.

    I know some the of those Councilmen. They know it’s bull. But unfunded federal mandates and economic slowdowns have to be paid for somehow, without getting voters too riled up. The local newspaper wouldn’t even run an Op-Ed on the scam, or a notice prior to the hearing. Orcas are the sacred cows, the precious polar bear cubs, of Puget Sound.

    Whole corporate departments are being set up to cash in on Taxman/Malarkey. Agencies like NASA, NOAA, and EPA see their main chance for fat, recession-proof budget increases. Special-interest lobbyists are working overtime to persuade congress that there’ll be plenty of money to go around, handing out the “save the planet with green jobs” talking points, to be supported by a media blitz.

    The result is a bill that accomplishes nothing but the socialist fleecing of America, that even James Hansen calls “a monstrous absurdity.” Welcome to reality, Jimbo.

    Money. Your money.

  49. Castle….and people like him….

    THESE people….are running our country????

    What an pathetic embarrassment.

    Thomas Jefferson would not just roll over…he would bump his head on the coffin…many times.

    Castle’s an automaton….a robot….a spokesman for the big corporation and the establishment.

    Bizarre really.

    The only good thing about bureaucrats is they are like Stormtroopers:

    They AIN’T that smart.

    Regardless… they are in control (not sure why or how).

    Only one explanation…OK two:

    1) Old boy network
    2)All of these cats suffer from NPD (Narcisstic Personality Disorder).

    I’ve had enough.

    And Mother Earth and her inhabitants deserve better.

    Let the revolution begin.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  50. 10 new short clips (1-3 minutes each) where top experts (professors in climotology, economics etc) easy to understand explain climate propaganda and why climate policy is wrong.

    1 — Heat Waves
    2 — Air Pollution
    3 — Hurricanes
    4 — Sea Level
    5 — Cap and Trade
    6 — Coal
    7 — Fuel Economy
    8 — Big Business
    9 — A Moral Issue
    10 — Overview

    One thing I would like to see more is what in a free market economy has to be described as a state-business corruption, which green policy, besides the economical loss for society, seems to imply.

    I think there is a socialist dimension in this too, where good intentions are crucial, and contrasted against the catatrophe. Who dare to say no to good intentions?

    To the Greenland ice fact in clip 4, it could be added that a study in Science just after the mentioned article showed slowing ice motion and that the lubrication is a natural always occuring phenomenon:
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14251-greenland-ice-sheet-slams-the-brakes-on.html

    To clip 5 can be added that Waxman-Markey will be at least 2 trillion dollars more expensive until 2030 than Lieberman-Warner was expected to be. (7 trillion dollars instead of about 5 trillion dollars.) :
    http://www.heritage.org/Press/NewsReleases/nr041709a.cfm

  51. Basil (15:10:50) :

    Not to put too much of a partisan spin on things (Republicans, at least the last batch that had the reigns, didn’t do much better), but I’m working up a bumper sticker that reads:

    Irresponsible Leadership
    for an
    Unsustainable Future
    Vote Democrat!

    That’s the least offensive version of what I have in mind.

    Errr. Bad psychology in your sticker. Most will just keep the “vote demokrat” subiminally, and you are defeating your purpose.

    You could say : Democratic leadership, irresponsblie leadership

    and not negate your intent.

    It would be simple if irresponsible leadership were a one party attribute. My view from afar is that republican leadership has been disastrous too.

  52. I wrote: “One thing I would like to see more is […] state-business corruption”

    Ha! Did I write that?

    I mean that I want to see this highlighted as a dangerous change in business culture.

  53. The left, with AGW/cap and trade etc., is essentially waging a non violent civil war upon the American people and businesses.

  54. The radical green people neglect the GOP base and the real Americans because they’re not seeing them these days. They rarely get to the media. The media are suppressing them.

    But they surely exist, and if the cap-and-trade lunacy were getting close to become valid and start to transform the U.S., these people would be visible physically, the lives of similar traitors would be understandably threatened, and a civil war could loom.

    Castle and thousands of others live in an isolated world and they fail to realize how extremely dangerous game not only with the U.S. economy and the principles of the United States of America, but also with their own lives they began to play.

  55. Lubos shoots it right in the goal on the first shot.

    The supporters of Cap N Trade are playing a very dangerous game. This holds for both R’s and D’s alike.

  56. Mike D, your post is easily confirmed, but understates the case by an order of magnitude. True, both Germany and Montana include about 90 million acres of territory, but neither “state” is primarily forest. As your argument goes on to talk about USFS managed land, we can forget Montana.

    Having lived in Germany, I can attest that about 1/3 of the country is currently devoted to agriculture, perhaps another 1/3 is urbanized, etc. Probably less than 10% of the country is still forested. That would be less than 9 million acres.

    Yet the Germans produce 12 billion board feet of lumber per annum. This means that they are, taking into account only USFS managed lands, more than 130 times more efficient at harvesting a truly renewable resource!

    I have no idea what percent of our timber production comes from USFS managed lands vs. private land, but would guess that most lumber made in the USA comes from public land. “Free'” after all. Shame on us!

    German forest management goes back more than a century and is a source of great pride to the population. Not only do they hike the forests, they also clear them of undergrowth to prevent wildfires, and the whole country is blissfully free of litter of any kind. No German thinks of throwing an empty bag out the window of a car, tossing a candy wrapper, or even dropping a cigarette butt in the street.

    With apologies to the Swiss (who, like it or not, are mostly German), the Germans are the most environmentally conscious people on the planet. Why, I ask, cannot American ‘greens’ focus their attention on things that can easily be done to improve our own neighborhoods? If you want to change the world, start next door.

    The obvious reasons are cultural, and to argue this point further will mark me as both an arch-conservative, and a racist to boot. I’m neither, just sensible.

    Anyway, great post!

  57. So it ends when you let lawyers rule the country. Our present PM and president are both lawyers, so I know what I talk about.
    Btw, it seems to me more and more that political left behaves like psychiatric patient doing self-inflicting harm.

  58. From the mindset I’ve seen lately, here’s how this works:

    People show up at Health Care town hall meeting, demanding answers about why he voted for C&T. He throws lip service at these people, then writes them off as a “special interest”. Because, of course, Nobody actually disbelieves AGW, therefore the malcontents must be a “special interest”, probably sponsored by an oil company.

    This whole rhetoric about “special interests” has been a really powerful tool for politicians in their ongoing fight against the will of the people. 0bamarama mouthed about “special interests” a lot during his campaign, and the rest are beginning to see the power of the words.

  59. >>>There IS such a thing as the carbon cycle. Over any lengthy
    >>>time period, the net carbon storage by forests is zero.

    Precisely – investing in trees as Carbon Capture is the biggest scam in town right now, but billions of your taxes will go to the Third World in its name.

    The only way to make trees capture carbon, is if you bury them after 100 years or whatever. But they will never do that, as they are a very valuable resource. They will get used in the timber industry, and then when the wood-product ends its life, it will get burned or rot away and the carbon is back in the atmosphere.

    Even if you did bury the wood, some bright ecologist spark would come along and say ‘hey, there is ten billion cubic feet of methane in that buried stack, we could use that as green energy’. So what has happened to all that carbon? Back in the atmosphere.

    .
    .

    Here are some lies of the Greens (and reality in brackets).

    Growing trees captures carbon (it is only a temporary storage)

    Hydrogen is a great fuel (it is not a fuel, it is a ‘battery’)

    Hydrogen vehicles are emissions free. (no they are not, they merely transfer the emissions to the power station).

    Electric cars are highly efficient. (in my calculations, they come 2% below a good European diesel car, so electric vehicles give out more emissions than a diesel).

    The wind always blows – twice unchallenged on the BBC this one. (most wind-elecs average 24% production. Some onshore wind-elecs in Germany only average 15%)

    Nuclear power is dangerous (some five or six thousand people die in Chinese coal mines every year. Think of the fuss, if they were nuclear deaths)

    Cap and Trade will reduce carbon emissions (no, it will merely transfer all emissions to China, while US industry and standards of living will collapse. You cannot have ‘free trade’ if the playing field is not level.)

  60. .

    BTW, if you have not twigged what Cap and Trade is REALLY all about – its is simply one cog in the One Worlder’s globalisation dream.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2021/

    But to get a one world government you need to:

    Level the wealth of people – ie, make the US and Europe poor, and give all that money and industry to the Third World. (Cap and Trade)

    Destroy nation states, including the US and all the nations of Europe. This is best achieved by mass immigration, for a nation divided is no longer a stable nation (divide and rule)

    Institute world problems that need fixing by a world government. (Global warming, pandemics, banking collapse, Kyoto etc: etc:)

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    .

    The dream of world peace under a one-world government may be intoxicating to some. However, I think this is an extremely dangerous policy.

    The One Worlders may dream of World President Clinton, a benign liberal leader of the world, idly playing with cigars and secretaries in his office. But what if someone else gets to wield the leavers of world power?

    What if an Idi Amin, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, King Abdullah Aziz, President Im-a-dinner-jacket, Osama bin Ladin, Hezbollah’s Hassan Nasrallah or Hamas’ Khaled Mashaa gets elected instead?

    The world is not composed solely of soppy liberal Europeans or dreaming democrat Americans, who would (might) use world government for world peace.

  61. People are mad as hell now just at the idea!
    Just imagine how they’ll be once they start feeling the consequences of such a government invasion?

    Pass health reform and cap & invade, and the US will need to impose martial law a year later.
    Can’t elections be called off in the event of martial law?

  62. That gentleman at the 4:12 mark hits the right tone. He was civil, yet got the message to Castle loud and clear. Hats off to that gentleman. He ought to run in Castle’s place.

    If there’s also such a disconnected lawmaker appearing in your area, by all means show up and give them the same damn treatment.

  63. The paper below on ocean heat goes with the discussion. Over 80% of global heat is stored in the ocean, when the ocean cools, as shown by the argo buoys, the ocean volume contracts and lowers. The sea level change is mostly a measurement of ocean heat!
    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/changes_in_the_ocean.pdf

    Even Hansen in a 2005 paper wrote that ocean heat is a robust metric for AGW. “Confirmation of the planetary energy imbalance,” they maintained, “can be obtained by measuring the heat content of the ocean, which must be the principal reservoir for excess energy”.

    The paper states that there is a consensus that ocean heat(sea level) is the best metric to measure global warming, however we are measuring and discussing global surface or troposphere temperature which does not store the heat and is not a long term metric! Water stores heat, not air or land.

    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/changes_in_the_ocean.pdf

  64. @ No free wind , I think you misunderstood ” by the company he keeps”. It is usually understood to mean who someone associates with, not a reference to a business enterprise. For example, “Those who lie down with dogs, will have fleas”. It was a comment on Obama’s choice of associates, which has been consistently radical leftist, anti-American, and ego feeding since he was in high school. The scary part is he sincerely believes he is doing “the right things” to save the country and humanity, and cannot understand why people can possible argue with him. Same as every other bloodthirsty tyrant throughout history.

    I still can’t believe this is happening to the country I spent 20+ years actively defending, and took a lifetime oath on the behalf of.

  65. “L: With apologies to the Swiss (who, like it or not, are mostly German)”

    Please distinguish between “German” (people living in Germany) and “German-speaking”. Half of Switzerland, Austria, Liechtenstein and even parts of Italy, Romania and others belong to the latter category. Some Germans even believe that the Swiss hate them, many others go there to live better.

    Of course there were politicians who wanted to bring Austria into the “Reich”, and who did so. Long time ago. And Moammar Gadhafi agrees with you and thinks that Switzerland should be split up between Germany, France and Italy.

  66. The only way to “beat” this is civil unrest. The polticians, in bed with “big” business, have copulated and their “love child” (In the US at least) is cap and trade. In Australia it’s an ETS (Well actually not yet. The Govn’t has setup a “think tank” an “institute” to battle climate change…lmao…) and old SOL still presents “problems” for the IPCC climate modelers.

    I don’t care what anyone says, that 0.1% shift in input energy from the Sun *must* have an effect. It may not be measurable in human lifetimes, but it *must* have an effect. After all, there are observed “effects” on other worlds in this solar system, I guess there is a partial answer there, *SOLAR* system.

  67. “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”

    Glad to see that the real people (ie. non-politicos) are seeing through the global warming nonsense and making themselves heard.

  68. Politics in America today is like a ping pong game. The voters get whacked by the Republicans, so they bounce over to the Democrats. Then they get wacked by the Dems and go back to the Reps. The game goes on and on.

    IF YOU’RE TIRED OF GETTING WHACKED STOP VOTING FOR BOTH OF THEM! If you like freedom and the U.S. constitution vote Libertarian.

  69. “anna v (21:05:57) :

    Errr. Bad psychology in your sticker. Most will just keep the “vote demokrat” subiminally, and you are defeating your purpose. ”

    You may be right.

    The other versions would be less apt to be misunderstood. But I’m reluctant to use them (or even refer to them here, for fear of offense).

  70. “Pass health reform and cap & invade, and the US will need to impose martial law a year later.
    Can’t elections be called off in the event of martial law?”

    Fascinating. How the little mind adheres to outdated ideas like fear-based propaganda. It flits about like a broken moth, sewing deceit and doom in the hopes that panic ensues. TWITTER MEMO: Goebbles and tired, old propaganda are dead.

  71. Alexej, who said anything about dividing Switzerland? It so happens that 65% of Swiss are ethnically German, 18% ethnically French and 10% Italian. Austria is 99% and Liechtenstein 88% German. And both the latter were also German States until Bismarck expelled Austria from German affairs because of the Dual Monarchy’s “nationality” problem. So skip the history lesson.

    My “apologies to the Swiss” was meant to point out that they, like their neighbors to the north, run a very tidy ship indeed.

  72. CodeTech (01:07:17) : If they don’t call you a special interest (you are paid by Exxon), they call you a Creationist. Those people are the true idiots. They are the ones who don’t try to learn for themselves the facts about global warming “science.”

  73. D. King (19:00:24) :

    Clairvoyant Clinton?

    This was Bill Clinton in 2008

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/bill-we-just-ha.html

    Where and with whom do they make these plans….Ron de Haan?

    D. King,

    I don’t understand why you add my name to the question.
    Do you expect me to answer your question?

    The entire US Government, left and right is rotten, infiltrated by the UN and under strong influence of George Soros.
    Al Gore, the Clintons, John Kerry, Biden and Obama, all Sorists.

  74. Ron de Haan (18:33:08) :

    Ron,

    I’m just starting to see all the links. You were right.

    Dave

  75. L (00:31:15) :
    You relate that:

    “Yet the Germans produce 12 billion board feet of lumber per annum. This means that they are, taking into account only USFS managed lands, more than 130 times more efficient at harvesting a truly renewable resource!

    I have no idea what percent of our timber production comes from USFS managed lands vs. private land, but would guess that most lumber made in the USA comes from public land. “Free’” after all. Shame on us!..”

    True on count 1, just about anyone is more efficient in producing timber than the USFS. The USFS has turned into a second National Park Service and is worthless in the timber production area. They have yet to come to the truth that you can preserve forest by using them, but instead they burn multitudes times more than they ever harvest.

    False on Count 2: Private timberlands, both big and small, produce probably better than 85-90% of the timber harvested in the US.

    The only thing the USFS is good for today is producing the data by which you can verify these statements.

    Have a PhD in both forestry and watershed/hydrology, so know a bit about this subject and more than enough about climate, physics and other areas to be more than skeptical about AGW. It is a flat out sham!!

  76. “L: 65% of Swiss are ethnically German”

    It is much more complicated than that. Since Switzerland is in the middle of Europe, it has been occupied from all sides; the people are therefore a mixture of many tribes (Wikipedia is quite precise about that, but they should start with the celtic Helvetians).

    Since the people are kept together by political will (and not ethnogenesis), they like to accentuate the differences with neighboring countries, like saying (in French) ninety-eight instead of four-score-ten-eight or (in German) not using the sz-symbol that looks like the Greek letter beta.

  77. Cap and trade. Where is the reduction in greenhouse gasses? It is a farce and the policians who vote for it are doing so only for their own financial gain. The political class has become a neo-Roman clique that do not see the imminent collapse of the empire. What fools to seek it all and to lose it.

  78. The State of Delaware; home to the Veep, and this RINO idiot, can be placed in 12 different non overlapping places, without ever going outside the bounds of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

    And in keeping with a certain Nobel prize winner’s wishes; I can only hope that from now on it enjoys the climate of any one of those 12 locations.

  79. “”” L (12:56:53) :

    Alexej, who said anything about dividing Switzerland? It so happens that 65% of Swiss are ethnically German, 18% ethnically French and 10% Italian. Austria is 99% and Liechtenstein 88% German. And both the latter were also German States until Bismarck expelled Austria from German affairs because of the Dual Monarchy’s “nationality” problem. So skip the history lesson.

    My “apologies to the Swiss” was meant to point out that they, like their neighbors to the north, run a very tidy ship indeed. “””

    If Austria is 99% ethnically German; why on earth do they speak Austrian, as President Obama noted.

    Just asking !

  80. “”” anonymous (20:23:52) :

    Well, after 34 years in federal service of one kind or another –

    I MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!

    (Deep breath, deep breath, deep breath.)

    Well. I feel better now. See you back at the office on Monday ;-)) “””

    Well unless you were in the Military; then you were part of the problem for 34 years; and if you WERE in the military, then we can never repay you for your service; so thank you very much for that service.

  81. The same crowd of wingnuts also railed on him about Obamas birth certificate.

    I don’t think that crowd represents the brightest bulbs in our population. Some of these same people also believe that the moon landing was faked and that 911 was a government inside job – so maybe this post was not the best choice to use as evidence that cap and trade is a political bomb.

  82. I haven’t found town meetings for our local representatives who voted against Markey-Waxman.

    Do you think that the opponents of cap and trade are too chicken to meet with the public? Is it true that the Republican National Committee coordinated this ban on public meetings among cap and trade opponents, just to avoid public displeasure?

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