At the 4:12 mark, a speaker says that he hopes Castle loses his Congressional seat over his support of cap and trade, and the crowd cheers. Castle smiles briefly, then his face grows grim.
Around the 7:12 mark, Castle is booed after he says he believes in AGW.
The town hall listening tour on health care 3 days after his vote for Cap and Trade. June 30, 2009.
Michael Castle: Information from Answers.com
Michael Newbold “Mike” Castle (born July 2, 1939) is an American lawyer and politician from Wilmington in New Castle County, Delaware. He is a member of the Republican Party, who served in the Delaware General Assembly, as Lieutenant Governor of Delaware, and two terms as Governor of Delaware. He is currently the incumbent Republican U.S. Representative, serving his eighth term.
In related news:
Protesters show up at Space office | zanesvilletimesrecorder.com | Zanesville Times Recorder
Rich Miller, 76, of Zanesville, said he, too, is concerned about not just health care, but how the entire system is running.
“I’m sick to death of the whole deal,” Miller said. “The government is taking everything they can out of the people’s hands.”
Miller said he wants to see values in the country returned to the way they were more than a year ago.
“It scares me to death what the people in Washington are doing to us,” Miller said. “I voted for Space but when he voted for the Cap and Trade, that was it.”
Mark Hicks drove from Athens to tell Space that he’s never seen a more irresponsible government.
Zack Space: Information from Answers.com
Zachary T. “Zack” Space (born January 27, 1961) of Dover, Ohio, is an American politician of the Democratic Party and presently serves in the U.S. House of Representatives for Ohio’s 18th congressional district.
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Lots of folks have demanded their reps read all the bills they vote on. Impossible. Many of them are too old to even see a page clearly. Besides, it’s a moot point. We pay millions to finance their staffs, plus committee staffs. They are the ones who read the bills and advise their Members of the contents. That’s how it works. Unless we somehow get rid of their staffs (not a bad idea), that’s how things will remain on Capitol Hill.
Dont worry guys. The shift in global power and center of civilizations is just as natural as the climate cycle. It is technological advantage that often catalize the power shift and in the case of the power on the downhill course it is political dogma taking over the scientific reality that catalize the downhill trend. Remember how the Greek fire was turned down by monarch’s and shifted the power in the ancient world and in not so recent history china’s close door policy to emerging technologies. So you have the cap and trade today.
I wonder if Ted Kennedy is the recipient of such counseling.
Curiousgeorge,
What do you mean, “the company he keeps”, because he is THE COMPANY!!! He picked them, and it wasn’t by any accident. These are the clowns that are working right now to make your electricity skyrocket,
http://nofreewind.blogspot.com/2009/07/alternative-energy-will-make-your.html
, Secretary of Interior Salazar says we can replace coal plants with offshore wind.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/06/offshore-wind-power-could_n_183593.html
that would take a gizillion turbines and even that wouldn’t work Whatsoever.
and all the stupid things the buffoon Energy Secretary Chu has said, surely I know more than him about energy.
Read here to see for a good overview of Obama’s Government.
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/ObamasGovernment.htm
swampie (18:45:00) :
Do you have a link?
Clairvoyant Clinton?
This was Bill Clinton in 2008
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/bill-we-just-ha.html
Where and with whom do they make these plans….Ron de Haan?
Juan,
The health care bill:
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
Regardless of which side of the divide one is on, this is one of the most important pieces of legislation of our time. Any representative who voted on it without reading it isn’t fit to serve and should be voted out — and even though I understand how the beltway works, it’s too important to leave to a 22 year old legislative assistant.
Wouldn’t you fire an employee who signed a contract on your behalf without reading it?
Ecochemist (16:03:21) :
The preamble to the constitution is the only place it says anything like that and the exact wording despite what the loons in congress and the greenie in chief want us to believe are”to PROMOTE the general welfare” not PROVIDE promote as in make a business climate where it pays to give to charity and where private industry or local religious institutions take care of the poor and the needy not taxing them out of existence with the largest tax hike in U.S. history via cap and trade.
climbing off my soapbox now
Cong. Space is a district east of where I live in Central Ohio. His district is probably naturally Republican, and is certainly naturally conservative. Space was first elected in 2006 when the previous Congresscritter for that District, Bob Ney was convicted of corruption and sent to the Federal Home for Retired Congresscritters where he now breaks rocks in the hot sun. The miracle of the Won carried Space to victory in 2008. I doubt that he will have much wind in his sails in 2010, and I would guess that in the next congress that district will be represented by an R.
Well, after 34 years in federal service of one kind or another —
I MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!
(Deep breath, deep breath, deep breath.)
Well. I feel better now. See you back at the office on Monday ;-))
Mark (14:08:18): I read somewhere that one iteration of this cap-and-trade bill has us sending billions of dollars to companies in foreign countries to not chop down trees…
Some forest facts:
* Germany has roughly the same land area as Montana (~86 million acres). Germany harvests 12 billion board feet per year.
* The US Forest Service manages ~200 million acres nationwide. The USFS harvest 2 billion board feet per year.
* The USFS burns in wildfires ~10 million acres and roughly 25 billion board feet per year.
* An acre of wildfire emits roughly 50 tons/acre of greenhouse gases, about the amount emitted by 5 automobiles driven all year long. About 4 times that amount is emitted over the next few decades as the dead (but not combusted) wood decays.
* The amount of greenhouse gases emitted by USFS wildfires is equivalent to that emitted by 50 million cars driven all year, and 4 times that amount at the dead wood decays.
* Carbon in harvested wood remains sequestered for many decades, as long as the lumber produced is not burned and does not rot.
Refraining from “chopping down trees” does nothing to sequester carbon if those trees are consumed by catastrophic wildfires. Planting a tree does not reduce carbon emissions if that tree is burned up.
There IS such a thing as the carbon cycle. Over any lengthy time period, the net carbon storage by forests is zero.
When forests that are 100+ years old are incinerated by deliberate Let It Burn policies on a 20-year-cycle, the net carbon storage is negative.
Responsible forest management that harvests sequestered carbon and converts it to long-lived wood products results in net positive carbon storage, especially if the active management reduces the area burned annually by catastrophic fires. Reduction in catastrophic fires also benefits wildlife habitat, watersheds, airsheds, recreation, public health and safety, and rural and urban economies.
msimon
Thanx.
I’m confident that Castle and nearly every member of congress with at least two operating brain cells knows quite well that AGW is an dubious hypothesis that will likely turn out to be complete crap. But for politicians, that’s not the point. The point is money. Money for the “green” special interests within their districts, money to pay the the huge bills for their porkulus package, money for the never-ending treadmill of getting reelected. Money.
It’s not just in Washington, DC. Here in little ol’ Snohomish County, Washington State, the County Council recently tripled the surface water fee levied on landowners within certain watersheds. The money was needed, they said, for additional National Pollution Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) efforts, because the Orcas of Puget Sound were at risk.
In short, they played the Environment Card; the one all-purpose excuse for tax hikes that so many people still dumbly accept. In fact, the killer whales are thriving, and even if they weren’t, most of the money is now being spent, not on NPDES, but to alleviate the County’s recessionary revenue decline.
I know some the of those Councilmen. They know it’s bull. But unfunded federal mandates and economic slowdowns have to be paid for somehow, without getting voters too riled up. The local newspaper wouldn’t even run an Op-Ed on the scam, or a notice prior to the hearing. Orcas are the sacred cows, the precious polar bear cubs, of Puget Sound.
Whole corporate departments are being set up to cash in on Taxman/Malarkey. Agencies like NASA, NOAA, and EPA see their main chance for fat, recession-proof budget increases. Special-interest lobbyists are working overtime to persuade congress that there’ll be plenty of money to go around, handing out the “save the planet with green jobs” talking points, to be supported by a media blitz.
The result is a bill that accomplishes nothing but the socialist fleecing of America, that even James Hansen calls “a monstrous absurdity.” Welcome to reality, Jimbo.
Money. Your money.
Castle….and people like him….
THESE people….are running our country????
What an pathetic embarrassment.
Thomas Jefferson would not just roll over…he would bump his head on the coffin…many times.
Castle’s an automaton….a robot….a spokesman for the big corporation and the establishment.
Bizarre really.
The only good thing about bureaucrats is they are like Stormtroopers:
They AIN’T that smart.
Regardless… they are in control (not sure why or how).
Only one explanation…OK two:
1) Old boy network
2)All of these cats suffer from NPD (Narcisstic Personality Disorder).
I’ve had enough.
And Mother Earth and her inhabitants deserve better.
Let the revolution begin.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
10 new short clips (1-3 minutes each) where top experts (professors in climotology, economics etc) easy to understand explain climate propaganda and why climate policy is wrong.
1 — Heat Waves
2 — Air Pollution
3 — Hurricanes
4 — Sea Level
5 — Cap and Trade
6 — Coal
7 — Fuel Economy
8 — Big Business
9 — A Moral Issue
10 — Overview
One thing I would like to see more is what in a free market economy has to be described as a state-business corruption, which green policy, besides the economical loss for society, seems to imply.
I think there is a socialist dimension in this too, where good intentions are crucial, and contrasted against the catatrophe. Who dare to say no to good intentions?
To the Greenland ice fact in clip 4, it could be added that a study in Science just after the mentioned article showed slowing ice motion and that the lubrication is a natural always occuring phenomenon:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14251-greenland-ice-sheet-slams-the-brakes-on.html
To clip 5 can be added that Waxman-Markey will be at least 2 trillion dollars more expensive until 2030 than Lieberman-Warner was expected to be. (7 trillion dollars instead of about 5 trillion dollars.) :
http://www.heritage.org/Press/NewsReleases/nr041709a.cfm
Basil (15:10:50) :
Not to put too much of a partisan spin on things (Republicans, at least the last batch that had the reigns, didn’t do much better), but I’m working up a bumper sticker that reads:
Irresponsible Leadership
for an
Unsustainable Future
Vote Democrat!
That’s the least offensive version of what I have in mind.
Errr. Bad psychology in your sticker. Most will just keep the “vote demokrat” subiminally, and you are defeating your purpose.
You could say : Democratic leadership, irresponsblie leadership
and not negate your intent.
It would be simple if irresponsible leadership were a one party attribute. My view from afar is that republican leadership has been disastrous too.
I wrote: “One thing I would like to see more is […] state-business corruption”
Ha! Did I write that?
I mean that I want to see this highlighted as a dangerous change in business culture.
The left, with AGW/cap and trade etc., is essentially waging a non violent civil war upon the American people and businesses.
The radical green people neglect the GOP base and the real Americans because they’re not seeing them these days. They rarely get to the media. The media are suppressing them.
But they surely exist, and if the cap-and-trade lunacy were getting close to become valid and start to transform the U.S., these people would be visible physically, the lives of similar traitors would be understandably threatened, and a civil war could loom.
Castle and thousands of others live in an isolated world and they fail to realize how extremely dangerous game not only with the U.S. economy and the principles of the United States of America, but also with their own lives they began to play.
Lubos shoots it right in the goal on the first shot.
The supporters of Cap N Trade are playing a very dangerous game. This holds for both R’s and D’s alike.
Mike D, your post is easily confirmed, but understates the case by an order of magnitude. True, both Germany and Montana include about 90 million acres of territory, but neither “state” is primarily forest. As your argument goes on to talk about USFS managed land, we can forget Montana.
Having lived in Germany, I can attest that about 1/3 of the country is currently devoted to agriculture, perhaps another 1/3 is urbanized, etc. Probably less than 10% of the country is still forested. That would be less than 9 million acres.
Yet the Germans produce 12 billion board feet of lumber per annum. This means that they are, taking into account only USFS managed lands, more than 130 times more efficient at harvesting a truly renewable resource!
I have no idea what percent of our timber production comes from USFS managed lands vs. private land, but would guess that most lumber made in the USA comes from public land. “Free'” after all. Shame on us!
German forest management goes back more than a century and is a source of great pride to the population. Not only do they hike the forests, they also clear them of undergrowth to prevent wildfires, and the whole country is blissfully free of litter of any kind. No German thinks of throwing an empty bag out the window of a car, tossing a candy wrapper, or even dropping a cigarette butt in the street.
With apologies to the Swiss (who, like it or not, are mostly German), the Germans are the most environmentally conscious people on the planet. Why, I ask, cannot American ‘greens’ focus their attention on things that can easily be done to improve our own neighborhoods? If you want to change the world, start next door.
The obvious reasons are cultural, and to argue this point further will mark me as both an arch-conservative, and a racist to boot. I’m neither, just sensible.
Anyway, great post!
So it ends when you let lawyers rule the country. Our present PM and president are both lawyers, so I know what I talk about.
Btw, it seems to me more and more that political left behaves like psychiatric patient doing self-inflicting harm.
From the mindset I’ve seen lately, here’s how this works:
People show up at Health Care town hall meeting, demanding answers about why he voted for C&T. He throws lip service at these people, then writes them off as a “special interest”. Because, of course, Nobody actually disbelieves AGW, therefore the malcontents must be a “special interest”, probably sponsored by an oil company.
This whole rhetoric about “special interests” has been a really powerful tool for politicians in their ongoing fight against the will of the people. 0bamarama mouthed about “special interests” a lot during his campaign, and the rest are beginning to see the power of the words.
>>>There IS such a thing as the carbon cycle. Over any lengthy
>>>time period, the net carbon storage by forests is zero.
Precisely – investing in trees as Carbon Capture is the biggest scam in town right now, but billions of your taxes will go to the Third World in its name.
The only way to make trees capture carbon, is if you bury them after 100 years or whatever. But they will never do that, as they are a very valuable resource. They will get used in the timber industry, and then when the wood-product ends its life, it will get burned or rot away and the carbon is back in the atmosphere.
Even if you did bury the wood, some bright ecologist spark would come along and say ‘hey, there is ten billion cubic feet of methane in that buried stack, we could use that as green energy’. So what has happened to all that carbon? Back in the atmosphere.
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Here are some lies of the Greens (and reality in brackets).
Growing trees captures carbon (it is only a temporary storage)
Hydrogen is a great fuel (it is not a fuel, it is a ‘battery’)
Hydrogen vehicles are emissions free. (no they are not, they merely transfer the emissions to the power station).
Electric cars are highly efficient. (in my calculations, they come 2% below a good European diesel car, so electric vehicles give out more emissions than a diesel).
The wind always blows – twice unchallenged on the BBC this one. (most wind-elecs average 24% production. Some onshore wind-elecs in Germany only average 15%)
Nuclear power is dangerous (some five or six thousand people die in Chinese coal mines every year. Think of the fuss, if they were nuclear deaths)
Cap and Trade will reduce carbon emissions (no, it will merely transfer all emissions to China, while US industry and standards of living will collapse. You cannot have ‘free trade’ if the playing field is not level.)