
Cap and Trade and the Illusion of the New Green Economy
Dr. Roy Spencer, from his blog at www.drroyspencer.com
July 1st, 2009
I don’t think Al Gore in his wildest dreams could have imagined how successful the “climate crisis” movement would become. It is probably safe to assume that this success is not so much the result of Gore’s charisma as it is humanity’s spiritual need to be involved in something transcendent – like saving the Earth.
After all, who wouldn’t want to Save the Earth? I certainly would. If I really believed that manmade global warming was a serious threat to life on Earth, I would be actively campaigning to ‘fix’ the problem.
But there are two practical problems with the theory of anthropogenic global warming: (1) global warming is (or at least was) likely to be a mostly natural process; and (2) even if global warming is manmade, it will be immensely difficult to avoid further warming without new energy technologies that do not currently exist.
On the first point, since the scientific evidence against global warming being anthropogenic is what most of the rest of this website is about, I won’t repeat it here. But on the second point…what if the alarmists are correct? What if humanity’s burning of fossil fuels really is causing global warming? What is the best path to follow to fix the problem?
Cap-and-Trade
The most popular solution today is carbon cap-and-trade legislation. The European Union has hands-on experience with cap-and-trade over the last couple of years, and it isn’t pretty. Over there it is called their Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). Here in the U.S., the House of Representatives last Friday narrowly passed the Waxman-Markey bill. The Senate plans on taking up the bill as early as the fall of 2009.
Under cap-and-trade, the government institutes “caps” on how much carbon dioxide can be emitted, and then allows companies to “trade” carbon credits so that the market rewards those companies that find ways to produce less CO2. If a company ends up having more credits than they need, they can then sell those credits to other companies.
While it’s advertised as a “market-based” approach to pollution reduction, it really isn’t since the market did not freely choose cap-and-trade…it was imposed upon the market by the government. The ‘free market’ aspect of it just helps to reduce the economic damage done as a result of the government regulations.
The Free Market Makes Waxman-Markey Unnecessary
There are several serious problems with cap-and-trade. In the big picture, as Europe has found out, it will damage the economy. This is simply because there are as yet no large-scale, practical, and cost-competitive replacements for fossil fuels. As a result, if you punish fossil fuel use with either taxes or by capping how much energy is allowed to be used, you punish the economy.
Now, if you are under the illusion that cap-and-trade will result in the development of high-tech replacements for fossil fuels, you do not understand basic economics. No matter how badly you might want it, you can not legislate a time-travel machine into existence. Space-based solar power might sound really cool, but the cost of it would be astronomical (no pun intended), and it could only provide the tiniest fraction of our energy needs. Wind power goes away when the wind stops, and is only practical in windy parts of the country. Land-based solar power goes away when the sun sets, and is only practical in the sunny Southwest U.S. While I personally favor nuclear power, it takes forever to license and build a nuclear power plant, and it would take 1,000 1-gigawatt nuclear power plants to meet electricity demand in the United States.
And no one wants any of these facilities near where they live.
Fortunately, cap-and-trade legislation is not necessary anyway because incentives already exist – right now — for anyone to come up with alternative technologies for energy generation and energy efficiency. Taxpayers and consumers already pay for billions of dollars in both government research (through taxes) and private research (through the cost of goods and services) to develop new energy technologies.
Whoever succeeds in these efforts stands to make a lot of money simply because everything we do requires energy. And I do mean everything…even sitting there and thinking. Using your brain requires energy, which requires food, which requires fossil fuels to grow, distribute, refrigerate and cook that food.
Economic Competitiveness in the Global Marketplace
Secondly, when instituted unilaterally by a country, cap-and-trade legislation makes that country less competitive in the global economy. Imports and trade deficits increase as prices at home rise, while companies or whole industries close and move abroad to countries where they can be more competitive.
The Obama administration and congress are trying to minimize this problem by imposing tariffs on imports, but this then hurts everyone in all of the countries involved. Remember, two countries only willingly engage in trade with each other because it economically benefits both countries by reducing costs, thus raising the standard of living in those countries.
The Green Mafia
Third, cap-and-trade is a system that is just begging for cheating, bribing, and cooking the books. How will a company’s (or a farm’s) greenhouse gas emissions be gauged, and then monitored over time? A massive new bureaucracy will be required, with a litany of rules and procedures which have limited basis in science and previous experience.
And who will decide how many credits will initially be given by the government to each company/farm/industry? Does anyone expect that these decisions will be impartial, without political favoritism shown toward one company over another, or one industry over another? This is one reason why some high-profile corporations are now on the global warming bandwagon. They (or at least a few of their executives) are trying to position themselves more favorably in what they see to be an inevitable energy-rationed economic system.
Big Oil and Big Coal Will Not Pay for Cap-and-Trade
Fourth, it is the consumer – the citizen – who will pay for all of this, either in the form of higher prices, or reduced availability, or reduced economic growth. Companies have no choice but to pass increased costs on to consumers, and decreased profits to investors. You might think that “Big Business” will finally be paying their “fair share”, but Big Business is what provides jobs. No Big Business, no jobs.
The Green Jobs Illusion
Fifth, the allure of “green jobs” might be strong, but the economic benefit of those jobs is an illusion. The claim that many thousands of new green jobs will be created under such a system is probably true. But achieving low unemployment through government mandates does not create wealth – it destroys wealth.
Let me illustrate. We could have full employment with green jobs today if we wanted to. We could pay each other to dig holes in the ground and then fill the holes up again, day after day, month after month. (Of course, we’ll use shovels rather than backhoes to reduce fossil fuel use.) How’s that for a green jobs program?
My point is that it matters a LOT what kinds of jobs are created. Let’s say that today 1,000 jobs are required to create 1 gigawatt of coal-fired electricity. Now, suppose we require that electricity to come from a renewable source instead. If 5,000 jobs are needed to create the same amount of electricity with windmills that 1,000 jobs created with coal, then efficiency and wealth generation will be destroyed.
Sure, you can create as many green jobs as you want, but the comparative productivity of those jobs is what really matters. In the end, when the government manipulates the economy in such a fashion, the economy suffers.
And even if a market for green equipment (solar panels, windmills, etc.) does develop, there is little doubt that countries like China will be able to manufacture that equipment at lower cost than the United States. Especially considering all of our laws, regulations, limits, and restrictions.
So, What’s the Alternative?
If anthropogenic global warming does end up being a serious problem, then what can be done to move away from fossil fuels? I would say: Encourage economic growth, and burn fossil fuels like there is no tomorrow! Increased demand will lead to higher prices, and as long as the free market is allowed to work, new energy technologies will be developed.
As long a demand exists for energy (and it always will), there will be people who find ways to meet that demand. There is no need for silly awards for best inventions, etc., because the market value of those inventions will far exceed the value of any gimmicky, government-sponsored competitions.
Why are Politicians so Enamored by Cap-and-Trade?
Given the pain (and public backlash) the EU has experienced from two years’ experience with its Emissions Trading Scheme, why would our politicians ignore that foreign experience, as well as popular sentiment against cap-and-trade here at home, and run full-steam with eyes closed into this regulatory quagmire?
The only answer I can come up with is: more money and more power for government. As a former government employee, I am familiar with the mindset. While the goal of a private sector job is to create wealth, the government employee’s main job is to spend as much of that wealth as possible. A government agency’s foremost goal is self preservation, which means perpetuating a public need for the agency. The idea that our government exists to help enable a better life for its citizens might have been true 100 years ago, but today it is hopelessly naïve.
All Pain, No Gain
And finally, let’s remember what the whole purpose of carbon cap-and-trade is: to reduce future warming of the climate system. Even some prominent environmentalists are against Waxman-Markey because they do not believe it will substantially reduce carbon dioxide emissions here at home. To the extent that provisions are added to the bill to make it more palatable to politicians from agricultural states or industrial states, it then accomplishes even less of what it is intended to accomplish: reductions in carbon dioxide emissions.
And even if cap-and-trade does what is intended, the reduction in CO2 emissions as a fraction of global CO2 emissions will moderate future warming by, at most, around one tenth of a degree C by late in this century. That is probably not even measurable.
Of course, this whole discussion assumes that the climate system is very sensitive to our carbon dioxide emissions. But if the research we are doing is correct, then manmade global warming is being overestimated by about a factor of 5, and it is the climate system itself that causes climate change…not humans.
If that is the case, then nothing humanity does is going to substantially affect climate one way or the other. Indeed, given the fact that life on Earth depends upon the tiny amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, I continue to predict that more atmospheric CO2 will, in the end, be a good thing for life on Earth.
Yet, many politicians are so blinded by the additional political power and tax revenue that will come from a cap-and-trade system that they do not want to hear any good news from the science. For instance, in my most recent congressional testimony, the good news I presented was met with an ad hominem insult from Senator Barbara Boxer.
I can only conclude that some politicians actually want global warming to be a serious threat to humanity. I wonder why?
“I can only conclude that some politicians actually want global warming to be a serious threat to humanity. I wonder why?”
Because they are executing a sick UN doctrine that intends to set limits to world population and use of resources by reducing access to energy, limiting free trade and lowering consumption.
The current crises is making millions of people “obsolete” and new legislation will reduce any chance of an economic recovery.
In the mean time our politicians are having a frenzy.
I am afraid we need a lot more than WUWT to stop this political crime against humanity.
Hi
One of the moderators will probably grab this and put it in an appropriate place.
The link below is to a BBC programme called One Planet, in this weeks episode Pen Hadow of Catlin fame explains to the presenter the terrible state of the ice thickness he found on his epic journey.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p003jd5r
Cheers
Peter
Probably GDP does not tell the whole story. The debt-to-GDP ratio for EU was 57% in 2007, in the US it was 65% following OECD.
In case anybody is interested, here is a radio interview Richard Lindzen did in Boston yesterday. In it is says he is no longer a skeptic, but a full “denier”, on account of the overwhelming evidence against severe AGW.
http://audio.wrko.com/
Re: ETS, C&T, China ….
I asked this question on a previous thread but I will repeat it here.
Imagine you are writing your thesis one hundred years from now on the industrial growth of the late twentieth century. You are looking for global indicators to identify booms, recessions, the collapse of the USSR, the industrial growth of China or Japan … whatevever.
Would this graph be of any use whatsoever? According to the graph, the history of worldwide industry for the last 50 years can be summmed up in the formula y=mx+c. Who knew?
ETS, C&T have nothing to do with CO2 reduction. They are not pegged to anything measurable other than the personal fortunes of those who get into the scam early. If it were really about CO2 then the m in the mx+c (or at least some other real world measure) would control the price of “certificates”. I comfortably predict that the graph will remain completely unaffected by the great carbon scam.
Welcome to the future – trading fresh air.
Nev (03:03:36) :
We need more voices like Anthony’s and Roy’s. And for those who haven’t seen it yet, Monckton of Brenchley has posted this Air Con extract which underlines Roy’s post above with some very disturbing facts and figures:
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/commentaries_essays/seriously_inconvenient_truth.html
I wend to the link. It sounds like the Illuminati.
We should brace ourselves for the crash, because crash there will be if the west goes nuts on cap and trade and China and India dance to the banks.
Or sacrifice to the gods requesting that the weather turns two degrees colder this winter and the icebergs start moving down. It is about the only thing that will stop this behemoth.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-joins-the-rest-of-the-world-in-a-climate-pact-for-the-first-time-2009-7
US Signs Up For A Global Climate Pact For The First Time
The U.S. is ready to join the rest of the world in a climate pact for the first time in history, Bloomberg reports.
The U.S. is joining other developed countries for the first time in saying global greenhouse gases should peak by 2020 and the average worldwide temperature shouldn’t rise more than 2 degrees Celsius, according to a draft document of the Group of Eight industrialized nations.
“This is a crucial year for taking rapid and effective global action to combat climate change,” according to the text, not yet final, that is being negotiated by government officials ahead of next week’s G-8 summit in L’Aquila, Italy. The draft was circulated by nongovernmental organizations.
World leaders at the gathering, including President Barack Obama, also will discuss a new climate treaty to replace the Kyoto Protocol after it expires in 2012. Almost 200 countries are set to gather in Copenhagen in December to debate terms for a new accord to combat rising temperatures and sea levels.
Obama, who will be chairman of the climate meeting, will be watched by other leaders for signals on where the U.S. stands on issues such as emissions-reduction targets and how much rich nations should do to help poorer countries deal with the impacts of climate change.
The Democratic president will arrive in Italy with a victory to promote after the U.S. House approved legislation last week that would set the first-ever U.S. cap on greenhouse gases from power plants, factories and other sources. The Senate hasn’t yet acted on a measure.
end of article
I wonder if Obama really believes the BS he is spreading around.
This is a “lunatic” President.
This is an extremely well written article.
“it is humanity’s spiritual need to be involved in something transcendent – like saving the Earth.”
We have been indoctrinated since our elementary school days with this spiritualism. Most individuals do not think independently and have a strong desire to conform (and to want those around them to conform as well). To even question AGW shows a callous disregard for our Planet Earth in the minds of many.
The scene from the movie Apocalypto, where humans were sacrificed to the gods and their heads thrown down the temple steps just popped into my mind.
The economy is just booming Flannagan. European unemployment is over 9% and it is going to get a lot worse.
That is such a well layed out economic explanation by Dr. Spencer.
The real problem in the US is that only a fool would invest their money into an industrial operation in such a high tax, high regulation country.
I have worked in the auto industry over thirty years and the regulation has increaesed and increased. Now there is one person actually doing the engineering and likely about three people regulating that persons work.
Whether cap and trade passes the Senate the damage is already done. The business people our quietly discussing this and deciding what to do. Well except for the government owned ones like GM.
Hansen
1) Makes political statements about AGW
2) Controls a widely used temperature product
3) Temperature product has had to be corrected due to errors in the past
4) Temperature product still contains questionable traits (surface stations, corrections)
5) Treated like a traitor and savaged on a daily basis
Spencer
1) Makes political statements about AGW
2) Controls a widely used temperature product
3) Temperature product has had to be corrected due to errors in the past (so bad, in fact, that the sign of the change was wrong)
4) Temperature product still contains questionable traits (seasonal anomaly cycle, by far the coolest of the analyses of the data)
5) Treated like a hero and the UAH temperature record is almost never scrutinized
Interesting.
Good article from Dr. Spencer.
We have a good example of how this can work as a result of the current economic recession.
Preliminary estimates show the growth of CO2 was only 1.7% in 2008 as a result of high oil prices and the world-wide recession (compared to 3.5% previously). So, a 5% decline in the economy can halve or eliminate the growth rate of CO2 considering the recession didn’t start until later in the year.
But a low growth rate still amounted to emissions of about 31.5 billion tonnes of CO2 (low growth still means increasing). Natural processes are removing about 13 to 14 billion tonnes of CO2 each year right now.
The CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is still going to increase by about 2 ppm (only 1.7% higher than the rate before the recession.)
But we can eventually stop the growth of CO2 by having our economies contract by 5% each year. In 20 or 30 years, when half of us are unemployed, CO2 emissions will fall to the level where natural sinks/processes can stop the growth of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Simple math.
The six EPA toxic gases are carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons, and sulfur hexafluoride.
Enron Launches Online SO2 Allowance Auction
March 9, 2000
The initial emissions allowance auction kicks off March 13 and extend through March 16. During this period, users can place online orders, free of charge, for the purchase or sale of SO2 allowances. Enron plans to sell a minimum of 15,000 allowances during the auction, subject to the online reservation price. After this initial auction, Enron plans to parlay emissions allowances on a monthly basis.
“Using the EnronOnline platform to offer auction capabilities will help increase liquidity in the SO2 allowances market,” said Greg Woulfe, director of emissions trading at Enron North America. “The online auction system is efficient and convenient for customers and provides the advantage of a streamlined transaction process.”
Enron launched its online auction system in the U.K. when it ran its second annual natural gas storage auction, EnBank, via the EnronOnline website. The first round of online bidding ended with the completion of several long-term storage contracts.
EnronOnline is a global, Internet-based system for conducting wholesale energy and other commodity transactions with Enron. More than 25,000 transactions have been completed via EnronOnline since its inception in November.
James Hansen was an Enron buddy. Enron crashed due to fraudulent financial statements.
Madoff is in the slammer. Carbon traDING IS THE NEXT BUBBLE AND ALSO GAMING INDUSTRY. Watch your wallet.
Flanagan (02:15:03) : “…” (on GDP)
What you need to look at is the ratio of GDP to debt. GDP to debt means that, for every new dollar (or in your case, euro) created a certain amount of return can be exected. If the ratio is postive, then every new dollar in debt will generate a postive GDP. If, on the other hand, the ratio is less than 1:1, then every new dollar costs more to make than it’s worth. So if it’s 1: .99, then every 99 cents of GDP growth costs one dollar of debt to make.
Just a comparative example. We will need GDP growth to outgrow the growth of debt. Gov spending and applying the multiplyer effect causes 1 dollar spent to grow over time to others having income and spending. Those incomes are taxed. A gov dollar spent multiplies to 1.25 to 1.5 times itself.
A tax cut dollar applying the longer term multiplier effect is closer to 3 dollars. But the disadvantage on a tax cut is lack of gov control. In other words, both your friends and enemies enjoy tax cuts. In gov spending for growth, yoou can direct the money to friends only. If you have a railroad friend, he gets the money.
I’m curious as to the “ad hominem” comment by Ms. Pelosi to Mr. Spenser.
Anybody have a transcript snip?
Ron de Haan (02:37:04) :
The aim is to shut down our economies.
This is the next step, reducing free trade!
Obama and his gang are the executioners and they make the best of it the way they spend tax money and jet around the world.
http://www.euractiv.com/en/climate-change/un-wto-call-trade-shift-halt-climate-change/article-183687?Ref=RSS
Obama and his gang are the executioners and they make the best of it, the way they spend tax money, the way they are jetting around the world.
No, they are just hypocrites. WTO, the flagship of globalization calls against free trade? Sorry, I’m not going to buy into this nonsense.
Who will be the next main voice in the campaign against free trade? World Bank, or the IMF? 🙂
This entire post reads basically true. First the economic load will reduce jobs as economic loads necessarily do. While you’ve done a good job pointing out the extra people required to do the same thing, the balance has to be found somewhere in the economy. When we’re talking substantial percentages of GDP the job qty isn’t small either.
The other quibble I have is with the rational for the bill from a political perspective.
Why are Politicians so Enamored by Cap-and-Trade?
The real reason politicians like it is because CO2 becomes a currency which has no real assigned value and can be assigned at random by politicians in exchange for campaign contributions, personal favors and the like. For instance, if worldwide shipping company AA installs high efficiency lighting on their vehicles they can say they save X CO2, by making a contribution to a group of politicians they can receive carbon credits reducing their fuel cost.
The problem is, nobody will know how much carbon was saved and the value of the carbon credit will exceed the value of the campaign outlay. It’s already happened ironically, in true quid pro quo fashion this is how the bill got through congress. States and industries which complained received more carbon credits to dole out in exchange for their votes.
It’s a fake currency of unknowable value and unstoppable limits exchanged for real currency.
Now that’s only part of the story, there is a large network of tax free foundations which are fully intertwined. Pick almost any 501 and follow the board names and investments and you’ll find they are joined together.
Barack Obama wants cap and trade because through the Ayers brothers he helped fund (by voting money) to form the Chicago CO2 exchange. These various charities are money laundering organizations which transfer money from deep pocketed people like Soros around the country. They are controlled by Banks, Government officials, politicians and more rarely celeberties.
Due to Federal reporting requirements, the network is easily visible to anyone willing to spend two hours looking at board member names. I was shocked at how extensive and intertwined the payouts are.
CO2 is a form of tax free money which has less regulation on how it can be distributed by politicians. After all, who will question when a politician pays off an energy company with CO2 credits for an improved efficiency -fill in whatever here – and nobody notices the back door payment to the politicians campaign to help support their cause.
This is a post I did on my views a short while ago.
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/co2-currency-of-corruption/
A little bit off topic, sorry, but anyone reading Joanne Nova (I just discovered her recently). Right now catching up with this one (comments not yet read):
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/06/24/global-politics-is-being-influenced-by-the-climate-fawners/
Soros is an investor in Powerspan, a company that scrubs and sequesters CO2 from coal fired plants. Follow the money trail.
Well written article.
Dr. Spencer’s last question is very interesting.
There is a thread running through the AGW community that rejects any good news about how CO2 acts in the atmosphere and climate that is puzzling, to say the least.
It will require a lot of time and research to research the causes and implications of this aspect of AGW and other social movements like it.
Flanagan,
As an European, I am ashamed at the lack of democracy that the EU has become.
First, I didn’t approve the European Constitution, and not only me, but also the majority of the Europeans didn’t approve the European Constitution in the terms the french guy, I am not going to look for his name, wrote it. Being approved by the individual parliaments doesn’t count in my opinion. The European Constitution is something important enough to require a mayor consensus of the people of Europe.
Second, I know that CO2 is good for the environment, as thousands of experiments and publications prove it. Doubling CO2 levels increase plant growth rate by at least 20%. The cap and trade system only hurts the economy, the whole of it, agricultural, industrial and services economy.
Third, I don’t believe in AGW. And that is all they can offer me, Beliefs in a lousy religion. They can’t prove that the climate sensitivity to doubling CO2 levels is 3º C, 2.4º C, 4.5º C or 0.3º C. If you can’t measure the climate sensitivity they are not talking about SCIENCE, they are talking about cargo cult. AGW is, therefore, a religion, not a branch of science. And last time I checked there was freedom of religion in Europe. I don’t have to pay to support the Catholic or protestant churches in Europe and I don’t want to pay to support AGW.
And Fourth, anything above the tithe or diezmo tax (10% of agricultural production) is institutionalized armed robbery. And we are already suffering from taxes well higher than 10%. IIRC, VAT in Germany is 21%. The roman empire flourished while the only taxes the romans had to pay was the tithe. and It collapsed when they started taxing everything.
For all of the above, I think Europe is not a Democracy, but an Idiocracy.
(Or maybe you should say Idiocrazy?)
Thank you Dr. Spencer for your efforts
“Yet, many politicians are so blinded by the additional political power and tax revenue that will come from a cap-and-trade system that they do not want to hear any good news from the science. For instance, in my most recent congressional testimony, the good news I presented was met with an ad hominem insult from Senator Barbara Boxer.”
I watched video of your testimony and was personally shocked at your treatment. I believe that it is science be dammed, we ( the royal we of government ) are in charge. The royal we expect you to obey and pay your taxes as good serfs should. Again a shocking development in the U.S. All of the wealth accumulated by our forebarers and ourselves will be squandered by this new royalty that have not earned a dime of the money they are throwing away. This suicidal effort on their part is being called by them as “investment”. Unfortunately, the we are forcing us to join them.
Much as I distrust any “fact” promulgated by Flanagan, he is the only one producing a statistic (without citations, links or caveats, of course) and everyone else is just talking around him. It’s fine talking about GDP to debt ratio, but just what is that ratio? And has Flanagan cherry-picked the economic performance of Monaco to represent Europe?
Flanagan ( 02:15:03 )
After a tiny little bit of research on my part I found out who you really are,
Welcome aboard Barrack Obama.
Jeff Id (06:42:33) : “The real reason politicians like it is because CO2 becomes a currency which has no real assigned value and can be assigned at random by politicians…”
As Steve Forbes said yesterday on FoxNews, anytime the government wants to increase it’s “income” from selling CO2 warrants, they can just lower the CO2 cap.
In my opinion AGW is full of sheep.