For those of you that missed it on CSPAN1 today, watch this and get an understanding of what just happened.
My own representative, Wally Herger had a few things to say also:
It is the most fired up I’ve ever seen him. In an email a couple of days ago to his chief of staff at our local office, I had described his floor speeches as being like a “churchmouse”.
I think he got the message.
UPDATE:
For those that want to read it, here is the bill and amendment. Warning: BIG FILES, long downloads.
Text of original bill:
http://www.eenews.net/public/25/11457/features/documents/2009/06/23/document_daily_03.pdf
Amendment Text:
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/SpecialRules/hr2998/waxman1_hr2998_111.pdf
Shawn Whelan (09:28:57) : The thing I wonder is, are these Democrats really that ignorant of how an economy works or are they delibaretly trying to destroy our economy and way of life?
A useful, if not perfectly accurate razor:
“Never attribute to Malice that which is adequately explained by Stupidity”
I use it frequently…
Yes, I would agree that Obama is potentially more destructive than Carter. Yes, I agree that a few of the effects of Carter are still with us.
But I also think the system is resilient, and that much of what is done can indeed be undone. All it takes is awareness and votes – – both the weakness and great strength of the system.
You can unring a bell?
Undo the nationalization of the banks, heavy industry, and all of that?
Undo the president-for-live decress that seem to be just around the corner?
Unkill the victims of the impending shut-down of medical care?
Good luck, my kids will need it.
I believe the expanded and original version of the very appropriate above quote by E.M. Smith is attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte, and goes something like this:
”Never automatically ascribe to deliberate malice that which is easily explainable by ordinary, everyday gross incompetence.”
However, one does have to wonder:
Could that many (D)s and the 8 misguided RINOs who voted for the final travesty that is Waxman-Markey (especially with the totally over-the-top 03:00 airdrop of the 300-page amendment) really be that totally clueless and incompetent ??
In any case: Whether it’s incompetence of malice or a combination of same:
The legislative malpractice and malfeasance reprented by H.R. 2454 as passed by the US House is truly breathtaking. And WRT to the MOCs of both parties that voted for 2454: Throw the bums out. Throw ’em ALL out.
You share the probloems this will create with all of us in Europe. The difference is that yuo do at least have some potential for directly influencing those who wold be your representatives. Much less so in Europe. Possibly no representation at all.
For what it’s worth I have been commenting on this self destruction potential for some time. It may be inevitable. All great civilisations fail eventually, usually rather rapidly, like the onset of an iceage.
Those with less convoluted social systems, as currently managed, will take over, by whatever method is available to them. Perhaps in some ways they already have.
I’m not really into conspiracy theories but one would have to wonder about the timing of certain celebrity demises – one in particular – and the way the MSM seem to have been distracted from any other subject. Here in the UK today most newspaper articles I read seem to have been composed by work experience trainees. Presumably the regular hacks were too busy trying to claim a by line for a couple of sentences about the departed one.
What strange times we find ourselves living in.
I wonder if, in years to come, the conspiracy theorists will think it strange that a high profile, and sad, death, Michael Jackson, just happened to be on the same day as a bill, with devastating consequences for the US of A, was voted on in Congress?
Enjoy. If that is the right word>
EricH,
I’m still wondering why a tavern owner who didn’t know either JFK or LHO would up and kill Oswald. And Jack Ruby died shortly thereafter from terminal cancer that he already knew he had.
Does that make me a conspiracy theorist?
Shawn Whelan (09:28:57) : asked
“The thing I wonder is, are these Democrats really that ignorant of how an economy works or are they delibaretly trying to destroy our economy and way of life?”
They are not ignorant. It’s ignorant to think that these people could be so ignorant.
Someone has pondered your question and provides this answer:
28 Sept 2008
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
This is an excerpt:
“In an earlier post, I noted the liberal record of unmitigated legislative disasters, the latest of which is now being played out in the financial markets before our eyes. Before the 1994 Republican takeover, Democrats had sixty years of virtually unbroken power in Congress – with substantial majorities most of the time. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?
Why?
One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.
I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent – the failure is deliberate. Don’t laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.”
These are emails I wrote to my Congressman (D-Chicago)
One before and after the vote.
BEFORE
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As you are my Representative in the Federal capital of our Republic, please take to heart my words.
There are two major issues coming to a vote soon that will destroy this country. Please do all you can to defeat them.
– Cap and Trade
– Stealth Nationalization of Heath Care/Insurance
I consider Cap and Trade to be a cruel economic attack on every aspect of our lives as Americans. This is an attack on us for being successful.
Are you seriously going to join in this atrocity? There is no Man-made Global Warming. Mankind’s CO2 is not harming the planet. Therefore this Cap and Trade thing will be one of the biggest lies perpetuated on the American people ever.. and by its own Government!
Think hard about your decision. You will be helping the Far Left wing in destroying this country and bringing misery to millions.
Frankly I can’t believe that our Govt is doing this to us. Have you people lost your minds?
Lets say for the sake of argument that mankind was destroying the Earth with the air we exhale.
China is emitting so much of the stuff that even if we did reduce CO2, they are producing so much of it that overall our reduction would not benefit the problem.
So why are you doing this? Why are you going to tax us to death? Destroy our industry (more than it already is).
Why are you dishonoring our Nation?
And the Health Care thing… all I have to say is, the Federal Govt is bankrupt.
You people in Congress have totally mismanaged our finances and you have impoverished us.
Horribly flawed Congressional policy has destroyed the finance system.
Horribly flawed economic , environmental and labor laws has destroyed the automobile industry.
We are a sitting duck for energy resource blackmail
People are more ignorant than ever and somehow an ugly partisan like Nancy Pelosi is chosen as Speaker of the House.
I detest Pelosi. I dont see how you people in the House can inflict her ‘leadership’ onto all of us through her office.
I am genuinely fearful of what you people in Congress are doing to the country. I have been full of such hopeless and anxious thoughts when I wonder where we are in the near future.
Please find the courage to oppose these proposals. I would write more and give concrete reasons why I oppose these measures but it was suggested to me to keep this letter brief.
Please defend the United States Constitution and oppose the Far left that is killing us.
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AFTER
I can not believe that you Democrats had the gall to foist a 3AM 300 Page Amendment for that destructive Cap and Trade bill… AND THAT YOU VOTED FOR IT.
Who are you people working for? This bill is a DISASTER…all done in the name of fake Global Warming. You liars are going to tax us to death and blame something that isn’t even happening.
You people make me sick. I will do all I can to make sure my neighbors are also disgusted with you
You people are supposed to protect this country.. not fcking plunder it.
Smokey (12.45.05)
One coincidence, OK.
I wonder if they’ll be anymore coincidences, to divert the populations attention, when this bill is voted on in the Senate.
Time always tells if you’re a conspiracy theorist or an astute cookie.
Enjoy.
Smokey (12:45:05) :
EricH, I’m still wondering why a tavern owner who didn’t know either JFK or LHO would up and kill Oswald. And Jack Ruby died shortly thereafter from terminal cancer that he already knew he had.
Does that make me a conspiracy theorist?
Asking the question does not, believing the answer does ;-}
Simon’s Law:
It is unwise to attribute to malice alone that which can be attributed to malice and stupidity.
I’m pretty stunned that
Bono Mack, Mary (CA-45) 202-225-5330
voted for this… a Republican from Riverside County voted for this nonsense?? Someone must have promised her a crapload of vaporous solar energy pork-barrel, that’s the only thing I can think of.
She’s not in my district (Dana Rohrbacher is), but I really want to give her a piece of my mind.
It took a speech by Senator Dale Bumpers to put the brakes on the Clinton impeachement. Warren Buffet’s partner is already on record saying cap and trade would be “monstrously stupid”. What’s keeping Warren from speaking up?
Shawn Whelan (09:28:57) :
Easier answer: Yes, AND Yes.
Most of these sorts of people I know state that reducing American and First World power and consumption are primary goals. They believe this is essential to equalizing the world. Environmentalism is simply a cover for most of them, a means to an end.
@ur momisugly CodeTech
You have well said: “Most of these sorts of people I know state that reducing American and First World power and consumption are primary goals. They believe this is essential to equalizing the world. Environmentalism is simply a cover for most of them, a means to an end.”
And my guess is that an “equalized” world is one that is easy for a one world government to run. I’m also guessing that BO and the Dems believe they will be part of the group that rules. The quicker this country goes under, the quicker they get their new crowns and scepters.
I wonder how many people gained (and kept) power from putting Communists into power?
Call for Nation Wide Protests against the Climate Bill
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12372
Paul Broun calls Global Warming a Hoax and states there is NO SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS. Nice to see some of our politicians are learning.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/rep-paul-broun-calls-global-warming-hoax-gop-applauds
rotation2 (14:44:05) :
Warren Buffett on cap n trade starting at 4:10 of this video
CodeTech (14:55:05) : reducing American and First World power and consumption are primary goals.
Like Haiti?
Before I forget it, kudos and respect for the 44 Democrats that have voted AGAINST the Climate Bill.
Just wanted to have this said.
“The Climate Change Climate Change” by Kimberley Strassel in yesterday’s Wall Street Journal.
“As the U.S. House of Representatives prepares to pass a climate-change bill, the Australian Parliament is preparing to kill its own country’s carbon-emissions scheme. Why? A growing number of Australian politicians, scientists and citizens once again doubt the science of human-caused global warming.” – WSJ
David L. Hagen (21:38:17) : the American people will awake to the reality that this purely climate symbolic bill with real economic and lifestyle impacts may actually become law
“Perfect freedom is as necessary to the health and vigor of commerce as it is to the health and vigor of citizenship.”
~Patrick Henry
Dr. Taylor has become an inconvenient truth. Over the past couple of years I have had several exchanges with Congressman Inslee about polar bears while citing Dr. Taylor’s work. It was to no avail as he continued to insist that the bears were declining and imperiled. Congressman Inslee voted “yea” on cap and trade.
Sorry. My previous comment was suppose to be in reply to “Warmists deny Copenhagen access to polar bear scientist.”