For those of you that missed it on CSPAN1 today, watch this and get an understanding of what just happened.
My own representative, Wally Herger had a few things to say also:
It is the most fired up I’ve ever seen him. In an email a couple of days ago to his chief of staff at our local office, I had described his floor speeches as being like a “churchmouse”.
I think he got the message.
UPDATE:
For those that want to read it, here is the bill and amendment. Warning: BIG FILES, long downloads.
Text of original bill:
http://www.eenews.net/public/25/11457/features/documents/2009/06/23/document_daily_03.pdf
Amendment Text:
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/SpecialRules/hr2998/waxman1_hr2998_111.pdf
ohioholic has the right idea.
A lot of you aren’t old enough to remember Carter. If we could survive that, we can survive anything. The idea is not to throw in the towel. I suspect them dems may suffer strategic overstretch on this one; it’s very unpopular.
Nobody heard these men speak. They were too busy admiring their SUV, watching their big screen tv, surfing the internet, playing Xbox, texting, … and never imaging it could be any different for them.
“evanmjones (23:02:08) : …Carter. If we could survive that, we can survive anything”
We really haven’t gotten over Carter. Some of the things he did still haven’t been undone. The glaring example is he is the one that started the subprime ball rolling.
In 1992, my friend Claire Wolfe said, in the wake of Ruby Ridge, Waco, and other abuses of federal power, “It’s too late to work within the system and too early to start shooting the b***tards.” That was 17 years ago.
Boehner is my rep, and yes, I thanked him and asked that the 8 be punished.
I imagine it’s a matter of proximity ohioholic, I never doubted Boehner’s conservative ‘street cred’.
And to all ‘gloomy’ commenters before me…it’s not over yet.
Real Americans don’t indulge themselves with despair.
In the end all tyranny falls, always. Time is on our side and something good is going to come out of this. Continue the fight, the war has only just begun. 🙂
The hard work wasn’t for naught…. This still has to go before the senate. It will fail there. They know now that there is lots of people against this for good reason.
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LoL Hotrod….
Perhaps…..” No You Won’t!”
It’s more definite….
Just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean they are not after you.
So… Now we wait and see. 40 yrs is a long way to kick it down the road.(2050)
The cycles should show the truth in that time.
Earlier this year the senate voted they would not attach the global warming bill to the budget. The budget bills are not susceptible to the 60 vote filibuster but are straight 51 vote bills. Is that previous vote legally binding, or can an end run be done?
It’s the Robin Hood delusion, Take from the rich (countries) to give to the poor.
The ultimate socialist redistribution policy…and possibly the end of Western Civilization.
The Chinese now know they will rule the world.
hotrod (22:31:38) :
Now I just need to work on the iconic symbol that is appropriate to the situation.
Perhaps the phrase “No you Can’t!” would work?
Too negative.
The iconic symbol should be the Sun. Get your orange spray cans out.
The provider of energy
The controller of climates on all planets
The light of truth
The dispeller of clouded reason
and the catchphrase?
Not ‘yes we can’
Not ‘no you won’t’
“The peoples will”
REPLY: It is not law yet – Anthony
Yeah, I know, I substituted June 26, 2009 for Nov 20, 2008, which is when it actually happened… All interesting T-shirt captions aside, as Daniel Boone said, I’m not lost, I’m just temporarily bewildered.
The USA is in a dangerous predicament indeed, and based on the demonstration we witnessed today, I’m not convinced we are out of the woods when the senate votes.
I then wrote a very long diatribe explaining my frustration with the scientific and economic capability of our politicians, but finally realized after typing a whole lot of kilobytes that I don’t have a viable solution for the scientifically illiterate as I have not found an adequate method of deprogramming the stupid. The mathematical equation, as you might have guessed, was direct.
BTW, Anthony, you were right on with your guess on Hansen. When all logic fails and a debate looms, get arrested. I try to avoid that myself, but I don’t work for NASA.
Mike S.
I hoped & prayed that this Bill would be thrown out on its rear end. Sadly this didn’t happen. The one civilized nation left that could turn this farago on its head & brought sanity to the world has succumbed.
The only way now, is to show the “enemy” what for at the ballot box, in the most brutal & severe way you can, defeat every last one of them so that changes can be brought back in, before they change “democracy” into a farce like it is in the UK! This is the ultimate humiliation for any political party when defeat is overwhelmingly displayed this way! Bruise them so badly that they will think thrice before aligning themselves in such a way again!
The BBC are claiming that our “green” energy commitments will increase energy bills by 10%, & the rest more like 25%, but taxes will subsidise these for a short while to give a little time for acceptance by the heard of the populace until it is too late to reverse. We’re pretty much finished as a nation with our guilt trip baggage being hauled before the world, I hope I am wrong but you are next on the list! Like I said yesterday, MJ will cover a multitude of sins whilst attention is diverted, the Whitehouse couldn’t have wished for better timing. Now, just who was it at the UN who not so long ago, rather angrily said in a fit of pique, “We will bury you!”.
I truly believe that Nature will show us the way in the end, I just hope she does so pretty quickly.
Hang on in there America, the world needs you guys more than ever!
hotrod (20:09:46) :
As far as I am concerned, voting on a bill you have not read is malfeasance in office and a direct violation of their oath of office, and I intend to keep voting people out of office until I get some one who does the most elementary due diligence necessary to do his job and represent me intelligently.
If a corporate board member voted on decisions without having a clue what was involved he would be violating his fiduciary duty to his stock holders. I see no difference between that situation and voting on a bill thrown over the transom at 3:00 in the morning.
Larry, I think you have a legal case here, point 2 is obvious in the private sector, so why not public? The notion that the entire package was reviewed and understood, or even could be understood before the voting started borders on insanity. Any rational shareholder complaint would be upheld in this case. Are we not shareholders?
Now, how do we proceed? Is there a lawyer in the house?
The Democrats think they just balanced the budget. Hogs at the trough.
There is no check or balance on any branch of government right now. They can do what they want and they know it. Obama is going to look more and more like a dictator. He’s a statist now, there is no compromise at all as he has written of the other side of the aisle.
I’ll give you one example: Michael Jackson. Enough Said.
We’ll be OK however. They are not going to be able to do what they said when the US citezins can’t heat or cool their homes because of this we’ll relax; and here’s the catch, some of this.
“but demand that they honor their promise to post bills for comment and expect them to know the contents of any bill voted on.”
That’s like demanding that the tanks stop in Tianenamen Square.
Of the 17 “on-line” faces of the media that I look at, only the Christian Science Monitor had _anything_ about the travesty today.
Fox news had only Michael Jackson on the front page.
My Democrat Representative voted NO.
I never expected that — there is hope.
Sadly my own congress-critter (Etheridge, NC-02) decided to vote yes. This despite my call urging a NO, as if he were necessarily going to listen to little old me.
An email has been sent conveying my displeasure with a reminder that November, 2010 is just around the corner. A follow-up call will be made during business hours next week.
NC has a Democrat and a Republican for Senators. They both will get REAL tired of hearing from me, particularly the Democrat. I suggest that you all similarly wear your Senators out.
As Mr. Watts points out, it’s not law, yet. It must not be allowed to become so.
Hey guys,
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction…
Watch for the backlash if this Cap and Trade every becomes law.
The worlds largest experimental laboratory may have traversed to the outside- scholars projected conclusion. And in these attempts to manage many unknowns, within their cubical that became so apathetic, the demobilization has begun.
Is empirical science a commodity that may be bought and sold? If common sense is purchasable, then so is integrity.
For those of you who are downcast.
There are millions of Americans who hold their liberty to be a sacred thing.
There are millions more just like them around the world.
The only issue is that most are not aware that their liberty is under threat. Once that awareness is present – expect things to change.
No matter what the political predators choose to do, the Will to Liberty will not die, and the desire for human freedom and individual dignity can not be extinguished.
The fight in the Senate beckons, and if free men and women are bested there, then the fight will only shift to other grounds.
The more the political predators raise the stakes the more resistance they will generate. There own actions driven by their hubris and overwhelming arrogance will lay the seeds of their own downfall.
At no point will free men and women be found trembling, and clutching each other in the dark, awaiting their doom at a time and place chosen by others.
This I know.
Alan the Brit (01:47:38) :
I hoped & prayed that this Bill would be thrown out on its rear end. Sadly this didn’t happen. The one civilized nation left that could turn this farago on its head & brought sanity to the world has succumbed.
The only way now, is to show the “enemy” what for at the ballot box, in the most brutal & severe way you can, defeat every last one of them so that changes can be brought back in, before they change “democracy” into a farce like it is in the UK! This is the ultimate humiliation for any political party when defeat is overwhelmingly displayed this way! Bruise them so badly that they will think thrice before aligning themselves in such a way again!
The BBC are claiming that our “green” energy commitments will increase energy bills by 10%, & the rest more like 25%, but taxes will subsidise these for a short while to give a little time for acceptance by the heard of the populace until it is too late to reverse. We’re pretty much finished as a nation with our guilt trip baggage being hauled before the world, I hope I am wrong but you are next on the list! Like I said yesterday, MJ will cover a multitude of sins whilst attention is diverted, the Whitehouse couldn’t have wished for better timing. Now, just who was it at the UN who not so long ago, rather angrily said in a fit of pique, “We will bury you!”.
I truly believe that Nature will show us the way in the end, I just hope she does so pretty quickly.
Hang on in there America, the world needs you guys more than ever!
Alan,
1. Our political and Governmental systems have been infiltrated and controlled by proponents of the now Climate Change Doctrine.
2. A colder climate will only infuriate the opposition of the doctrine, otherwise it won’t change anything.
3. All now depends on the US Senate and all possible opposition forces to derail Copenhagen.
4. We need much more and much stronger European opposition.
The recent shift to the right that underlined the latest EU Parliamentary Elections could be seen as an encourgement although political opposition to climate related
subjects is still weak and trickey due to the level of indoctrination of the electorate.
We have to work very, very hard and curb the current developments before we are all declared “Enemies of the State”.
In the mean time the current economic crises, which was triggered by high fuel prices in the first place, will take a terrible toll as it further deepens and hopes of a quick recovery fade.
I am talking about massive outbreaks of famine as millions are cut off from access of cheap food.
Already 1.2 billion people try to survive on a food budget under 1.800 calories.
Prepare for mass starvation caused by Government Policies.
Everyone. Go right now and email your senator and urge them to vote ‘NO’. Do it now!!!
Just told my Senator to vote against this horrific bill.