OK folks, time to engage in our rights of citizenship. You know what to do. Phones and email contact info at the bottom. – Anthony
UPDATE2: test vote passes narrowly, 7 votes needed to defeat this bill – Anthony
UPDATE: C-SPAN1 is covering this live, there is a live media streaming page which you can access here:
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx
CSPAN also has live phone in. Phone in your comments: (202)585-3885 , -3886, -3887
From GreenHell blog the Waxman-Markey pre-vote count…
Waxman-markey pre-liminary head-count as of Thursday afternoon (courtesy Myron Ebell):
218 needed to win…
Yes
Yes = 175
Leaning Yes = 35
TOTAL = 210
Undecided = 20
No
No = 190
Leaning No = 14
TOTAL = 204
Undecided or Won’t Say:
Kirkpatrick Az
Boyd Fla
Brown Fla
Bishop Ga
R Kirk Ill
Foster Ill
Donnelly Ind
R Jones NC
McIntyre NC
R Frelinghuysen NJ
Tonko NY
Arcuri NY
Space Ohio (he voted for it in committee)
Carney Penna.
Davis Tenn
Al Green Tex
Jackson Lee Tex
Ortiz Tex
Eddie Bernice Johnson Tex
Kind Wisc
Leaning Yes:
Mitchell Az
Cardoza Calif
Costa Calif
Baca Calif
R Castle Del
Grayson Fla
Meek Fla
Kozmas Fla
Abercrombie Hi
Bean Ill
R Cao La
Kratovil Md
R Ehlers Mich
Kildee Mich
Schauer Mich
Peters Mich
Clay Mo
Skelton Mo
Thompson Miss
Shuler NC
Adler NJ
Lance NJ
Meeks NY
McMahon NY
Murphy NY
R McHugh NY
Maffei NY
Driehaus Ohio
Fudge Ohio
Kilroy Ohio
Cooper Tenn
Edwards Tex
Rodriguez Tex
Nye Va
Kagan Wisc
Leaning No:
Salazar Colo
Marshall Ga
Boswell Iowa
Minnick Idaho
Halvorson Ill
Etheridge NC
Kissell NC
Massa NY
Kaptur Ohio
Boccieri Ohio
R Gerlach Penna
Hinojosa Tex
Mollohan WV
Rahall WV
U.S. readers can use this link…
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
…to contact their representative and senators regarding the Waxman-Markey bill.
The link makes it very easy to send an email or make a phone call.
Use the US Representatives link after clicking on the link above since this vote will occur in the House of Representatives.
A one or two sentence email, or a one minute call is all that is necessary. Just mention that you’re a constituent of the Representative or Senator, that it’s a bad bill, and ask him/her to please vote against it.
Elected folks keep score. They have their staffs keep a tally of pro and con calls, letters and emails. If they hear from enough people, it can make a difference.
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After several years of citizen lobbying I can tell you that a phone call is 10X as effective as an email. If you are near an area where your representative has an office, visit that as well. A personal visit is 10x more effective than a phone call.
I have received a pledge from my congress person (Parker Griffiths, AL-5) that he is going to vote no.
I emailed my congressman, Norm Dicks (hopelessly in lock step with Pelosi), called D.C. left message with Dicks, Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell. WA is represented by radical libs. so, not sure if it will do any good–I feel better though.
My Congressman is Ed Malarky. Sigh.
/Mr Lynn
REPLY: Let him know anyway, can’t hurt. – Anthony
“Undecided” is another way of saying “what are you going to give me?” They need 8 more votes of 20. I’m pretty they’ll be able to pay off enough with “special projects” for their districts.
–t
Anthony– I sent an email to Rep Larsen yesterday. He’s a loyal Dem, I’m afraid, but oh, well.
Have you authenticated that EPA draft report? I’d like to send it out to people.
REPLY: This is a draft report, EPA still holds the final, and I would not expect them to release it tomorrow. That being said, the people at CEI are putting their own reputations on the line with this, and they would not do so with a phony document. Their attorney/General Counsel Sam Kazman visited here. I’m hoping for a reply soon, but I have no reason to believe this report is not what it is advertised to be. Also note we had an EPA person visit here and provide corroboration to many parts of the story also. – Anthony
My representative is an absolute no. I still contacted her. Thanks for the list and I promise to contact at least one more tomorrow.
I sent to my representative (Cooper of Tennessee). I made it rather clear that he will be held responsible for his actions and that a vote other than no may have grave consequences to his re-election as I will ensure that every way possible, everyone in this district will be made aware of his decision in this matter.
He is listed as a leaning yes, will be interesting to see what happens. I fear however, this is all for not. I have lost so much faith in this country. My family and friends are sick up and fed with all of this crap! There is hardly a person I know that isn’t completely sick of and disappointed in this administration already, including every Obama voter I know. In fact, the Obama voters I know are the ones that are most upset (and rightfully so).
My gut feeling (and a sinking one at that .. sorry to be so pessimistic here) is that this bill will squeak by in the house, and then deals will be made to ram it through the senate. My friends, I am feeling the worst here. Once you pile this bill onto the Health Care Bill, the Amnesty Bill (coming), Stimulation Bill #2 (coming), we will be soooo deep, I believe you will then finally REALLY begin to see the torches and pitchforks. And I will be glad to be in the front row!
The least everyone can do is send an e-mail to your congressman and senators. Quite frankly, this is the worst piece of legislation I’ve seen this close to passing either the House or Senate in my lifetime, and that’s certainly saying something. If you can’t be bothered about this, you probably can’t be bothered if they try to repeal the Bill of Rights. Get going, everyone!
I stepped up an sent emails yesterday and today… but now it’s crunch time. Here are the DC phone numbers for all the folks listed above. Call them and make your voice heard (or completely crush the phone systems in DC):
Undecided or Won’t Say:
Kirkpatrick Az (202) 225-2315
Boyd Fla (202) 225-5235
Brown Fla (202) 225-0123
Bishop Ga (202) 225-3631
R Kirk Ill 202-225-4835
Foster Ill (866) 777-6670
Donnelly Ind (202) 225-3915
R Jones NC 202-225-3415
McIntyre NC (202) 225-2731
R Frelinghuysen NJ (202) 225-5034
Tonko NY (202) 225-5076
Arcuri NY (202) 225-3665
Space Ohio (he voted for it in committee) (202) 225-6265
Carney Penna. (202) 225-3731
Davis Tenn 202.225.6831
Al Green Tex (202) 225-7508
Jackson Lee Tex (202) 225-3816
Ortiz Tex (202) 225-7742
Eddie Bernice Johnson Tex (202) 225-8885
Kind Wis (202) 225-5506
Leaning Yes:
Mitchell Az (202) 225-2190
Cardoza Calif (202) 225-6131
Costa Calif 202-225-3341
Baca Calif (202)225-6161
R Castle Del 202.225.4165
Grayson Fla (202) 225-2176
Meek Fla 202-225-4506
Kozmas Fla (202) 225-2706
Abercrombie Hi (202) 225-2726
Bean Ill (202) 225-3711
R Cao La (202) 225-6636
Kratovil Md (202) 225-5311
R Ehlers Mich (202) 225-3831
Kildee Mich 202-225-3611
Schauer Mich (202) 225-6276
Peters Mich (202) 225-5802
Clay Mo (202) 225-2406
Skelton Mo 202-225-2876
Thompson Miss (202) 225-5876
Shuler NC (202) 225-6401
Adler NJ (202) 225-4765
Lance NJ (202) 225-5361
Meeks NY 202/225-3461
McMahon NY (202) 225-3371
Murphy NY (202) 225-5614
R McHugh NY (202) 225-4611
Maffei NY (202) 225-3701
Driehaus Ohio (202) 225-2216
Fudge Ohio (202) 225-7032
Kilroy Ohio (202) 225-2015
Cooper Tenn 202-225-4311
Edwards Tex 202-225-6105
Rodriguez Tex (202) 225-4511
Nye Va (202) 225-4215
Kagan Wisc (202) 225-5665
Leaning No:
Salazar Colo 202-225-4761
Marshall Ga 202/225-6531
Boswell Iowa (202) 225-3806
Minnick Idaho (202) 225-6611
Halvorson Ill (202) 225-3635
Etheridge NC (202) 225-4531
Kissell NC (202) 225-3715
Massa NY (202) 225-3161
Kaptur Ohio (202) 225-4146
Boccieri Ohio (202) 225-3876
R Gerlach Penna 202.225.4315
Hinojosa Tex (202) 225-2531
Mollohan WV (202) 225-4172
Rahall WV (202) 225-3452
I sent Salazar a link to the CEI draft, plus my 2 cents. I am surprised he is on the ‘leaning no’ list. From what the local papers print about him I would have guessed he was on the ‘yes’ list.
Does anyone have an idea as to the cutoff time (east coast) when phone calls would no longer have meaning?
My Rep. (Miller, D-CA) is deeply in the tank for the AGW dogma and Cap-and-Trade. I contacted him anyway. Interestingly, all comments on his web site on the issue have urged him to vote NO — no one was asking for a yes vote! Maybe he’s too deep in the tank for the yes side to weigh in on this.
Also, following on Squidly’s gut feeling, I am increasingly concerned that there is a long-simmering ideology that has found traction and force through the present administration. At the risk on coming off like a conspiracy theorist, I direct interested skeptics to the CLoward-Piven Strategy. One source for a take on this is at: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/theclowardpivenstrategypoe.html
An argument can be made that AGW is a manufactured crisis, as well as the credit freeze last year that ushered in the recession, and the plan to impose universal health care on the country. A triple whammy designed and outlined in the Cloward-Piven Strategy from 1966.
I wish we could see a list of the confirmed yes votes too.. be nice to light a fire under them as well.
Little old lady endangered in heavy traffic
“I neither want nor need to cross this road!” little old lady protests.
Boy Scout insists he wishes to help her cross.
Why?
Link says “Greehell”…should be Greenhell. Though a blog centered on a Superior Hell would be interesting.
After a couple heated discussions with a senior colleague about the impacts of global warming I stumbled on to WUWT and CA to better hone my understanding of the state of the science. For the past year it has been a daily obsession to read up on the latest reports and absurdities associated with the mess that is AGW. I have refrained from commenting previously mostly because I didn’t feel that I had anything to contribute, but after seeing this topic and discovering that my representative was leaning yes I felt it was my duty to inform them of the terrible impact this bill will have under such flawed premises and assumptions.
I still argue with my colleague who works for a power generation company routinely and despite his Ph.D in physics he consistently ignores any of the new studies or findings that conflict with his personal view that we should be doing something to preserve the planet. In the process I have been able to win over most of my co-workers and I have noticed that the arguments in favor of AGW from a few stubborn holdouts are beginning to take on a shriller and less rational tone.
The irony is that we have worked on a few solar projects and would stand to possibly benefit as a result of this legislation. But the fact is the technology is not nearly adequate enough to provide any significant benefits yet. This legislation is potentially harmful to millions and will have an immediate impact and must be a turning point for the silent majority to stand up against this economic hari kari.
JM
[Reply – Welcome to the fold. ~ Evan]
“…rural and Blue Dog Democrats remain wary of voting for a bill that will impose crushing costs on their home-district businesses and consumers.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.html
Let’s all pray they care about people and stop this.
[snip – a bit too suggestive, sorry, Anthony]
Evolutionary psychologists see certain human behaviors and emotions,which are common to all humans, including the abilities to infer others’ emotions, to discern kin from non-kin, to identify and prefer healthier mates and to co-operate with others.
An ability to distinguish “freeloaders” and parasites within communities arose early in human history, in order that the people would survive and prosper. Another ability that remains embedded within in us all, is the almost uncanny knack of identifying potential external enemies very rapidly, almost with just a glance.
Political correctness may seek to over-ride such elementary caution, but sensible people do not struggle with such stupidity. They look, they see and they decide. I took one look at the photograph at the head of this article and I did not need the Western code that villains wear black hats, to inform me that these are dangerous men. Bloody hell, just look at their faces. An excellent cinematic illustration of a “bad ‘un”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fistfuldollarsvolante.jpg Yes, I know it’s a film portrayal.
Xenophobia is not a ill informed prejudice, it should be seen as a survival mechanism that works to protect us as individuals. We may live in the 21st century, but we still have “stone age” bodies and MINDS. I leave it to other to work out the reasons for the popularity of films such as “Independence Day” , “Mars Attacks” & “War of the Worlds” .
To the barricades, mes enfants. Make the difference and give the House of Representatives enough clout to Kill the Bill, to death. May this comment be posted “unmoderated”.
From Mark Levin’s website
THESE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AT
202-224-3121 AND TELL THEM NO TO CAP AND TRADE
Repubs:
Bartlett (MD)
Bono Mack (CA)
Castle (DE)
Dent (PA)
Ehlers (MI)
Frelinghuysen (NJ)
Gerlach (PA)
Inglis (SC)
Tim Johnson (IL)
Kirk (IL)
Lance (NJ)
LoBiondo (NJ)
Petri (WI)
Platts (PA)
Ros-Lehtinen (FL)
Democrats:
Altmire (PA)
Bright (AL)
Dahlkemper (PA)
Drieshaus (OH)
Ellsworth (IN)
Kissell (NC)
Kratovil (MD)
Kanjorski (PA)
Minnick(ID)
Teague (NM)
I am not American, so I would have no business contacting American politicians on this matter. However I would urge all Americans reading this site to ask their representatives to vote NO on cap and trade. It seems extreme to say this, but the economic future of the US and the western world may depend on defeating this totally unjustified legislation. Australia has effectively delayed it’s vote on an ETS till after the Copenhagen talkfest. Some may view this as a limited success, but I feel they miss the point. A delay on ETS is as damaging to the economy as passing the laws. Our respective nation’s economies depend on energy. Passing these laws or the future threat of these laws being passed both serve to stall any continuing investment in viable energy sources. As there is no sound scientific basis for the failed hypothesis of dangerous AGW, the only question regarding cap and tax is “How long do you want this recession to last?”
I hope Americans reading this take the opportunity to exercise their democratic rights while they still have them. Please urge your representatives to vote NO on cap and tax. It is not just your economy, but economies around the world that are threatened by this tax.
The question in the USA is about jobs but south of the border the BBC asks this question of Mexico’s energy policy:
“Should they have clean air, or cheap food to feed the country’s poor?”
While i would argue that CO2 and clean air are different issues even if there is sometimes an overlap the question still is a bold one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8090914.stm
The way the media changed its attitude to biofuel gives me some hope that they will eventually turn on AGW.
In a good comment at Jeff Id, Obama is quoted:
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http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/obamanable/
I know, I know.
(On top of all that, do they imagine that harming the world economy is going to result in anything but disaster for the environment?)
Here’s an article today, “Cap-and-Trade Nightmare,” by “Calafia Beach Pundit,” at http://seekingalpha.com/article/145507-cap-and-trade-nightmare
Here is what it says:
The cap and trade bill that is being rushed through the House this week can be boiled down to three essential elements:
A massive increase in Federal Bureaucracy, as illustrated in this chart (HT: Club for Growth).
A forced increase in the cost of hydrocarbon fuels, via scarcity and rationing created by bureaucratic fiat.
An assumption, adopted by these same bureaucrats, that reduced consumption of hydrocarbon fuels will save the planet.
What the bureacrats and politicians ignore, however, are the unintended consequences of this bill, which are many:
The potential for corruption, as those who depend on hydrocarbon fuels lobby politicians in order to be exempt from rationing or to increase their permit allocations.
The potential for inefficiency, as politicians and bureaucrats make faulty assumptions about who should be granted exemptions or more permits,
The likelihood that reduced hyrdocarbon fuel use in the U.S. might result in even greater carbon emissions in countries that don’t artificially raise the price of hydrocarbon fuels (because their energy costs would be lower and their use of fuel is not as efficient as ours).
The likelihood that the U.S. would lose jobs as energy-intensive industries relocated to countries that have cheaper fuel costs.
The likelihood that whatever reductions in carbon emissions might eventually result from this monstrous apparatus might make no difference whatsoever to the global climate.
The likelihood that voters (especially those in colder climates who consume more energy than those in temperate climates) might be very upset when their fuel bills escalate. (I’m sure that readers will be able to supply many more unintended consequences.)
All of this cost, and all of this effort, for something that has an extremely small probability of bringing benefits to anyone except those who will be running the program. Are our Congresscritters nuts or what?
Non US citizen question: is there a journalist who can ask “provocative”
short’n sharp question of all the voting representative for record keeping?
And play it back at election time. In 2 years, me think?
Good luck from Kiwiland. Those of us living outside of the USA will be intently interested in the outcome.