
This essay below from Ralph Ellis was posted in comments a couple of days ago, and I decided to promote it to a full post.
For the record, let me say that I support some of the renewable energy ideas, even putting money where my mouth is, putting solar on my own home and a local school. However, neither project would have been possible without state subsidies. For renewable energy to work in our economy, it must move past the government subsidy stage and become more efficient. It took over a hundred years t create our current energy infrastructure, anyone who believes we can completely rebuild it with the current crop of renewable energy technologies is not realistic. – Anthony
Renewable energy – our downfall? By Ralph Ellis
The government, under pressure from a disparate confederation of environmentalists and greens, have agreed to press ahead with a host of renewable energy sources, including wind, tidal and wave power. Yet, despite the vast sums of public money that will be allocated to these projects and the fundamental enormity of the decisions that have been made, there has been very little in the way of open debate on the subject. Like many aspects of today’s governmental system, the powers that be appear to have made a decision about future energy production based upon image, spin and the number of votes the policy will capture, while ignoring the basic truths and science that should be the foundation-stone of any policy. Nobody has even debated the absolutely fundamental question of whether any of these energy generation systems actually work. The media’s reaction to this steamrollered, image-based decision-making process has been muted to the point of being inaudible, and I can only assume that either very few in the media have any grasp of the calamitous implications of the government’s policy, or they are cowering behind their desks for fear of losing their jobs.
So why, then, do I consider renewable energy to be a danger to the entire nation, both economically and socially? This is, after all, ‘free energy’, and what can be the problem with a free resource? Well, as readers will probably be fully aware, no resource is free even if it appears to be so, and this is the first of the many lies about renewable energy that have been peddled by industry spokesmen and government ministers. Oil is not free, despite it just sitting in the ground; water is not free, despite it falling from the sky; nuclear power is not free, despite the raw materials being ridiculously cheap, and neither is any renewable energy resource ‘free’. In fact, the conversion process from ‘free’ renewable energy to usable grid electricity is remarkably expensive and its enormous costs are being subsidised by the consumer. In the UK, this subsidy is achieved through Renewables Obligation Certificates, the cost of which are eventually passed onto the consumer. In 2006 the cost to consumers was £600 million, and this is predicted to rise to £3 billion in 2020. 1 That is about £200 per household per annum, on top of current energy bills, for the privilege of using of ‘free’ energy.
Now one might argue that that is not very much money to demand from the public, given the advertised prospect of clean, renewable energy that will fuel our homes and our economy for the next few generations. Power at the press of a button, and not a drop of noxious emissions of any nature in sight – just an array of perfectly silent, gently rotating wind-turbines stretching towards the horizon – it is dream-world picture direct from the cover issue of an environmentalist magazine, and the answer to a politician’s prayers. In one master-stroke the environment is magically healed, and votes are captured by the million – roll on the next election.
However, it is my belief that this sublime day-dream actually holds the seeds for our economic decline and for social disorder on an unprecedented scale. Why? Because no technical and industrial society can maintain itself on unreliable and intermittent power supplies. In 2003 there were six major electrical blackouts across the world, and the American Northeast blackout of August 14th was typical of these. The outage started in Ohio, when some power lines touched some trees and took out the Eastlake power station, but the subsequent cascade failure took out 256 power stations within one hour.
The entire Northeast was down onto emergency electrical supplies, and the result was social and economic chaos. Nothing, in our integrated and automated world, works without electricity. Transport came to a grinding halt. Aircraft were grounded, trains halted and road traffic was at a standstill, due to a lack of traffic lights and fuel. Water supplies were severely disrupted, as were telecommunications, while buildings had to be evacuated due to a lack of fire detection and suppression systems. Without any available transport, many commuters were forced to sleep in offices or in Central Park, and while the summer temperatures made this an office-adventure to remember, had this been winter the results of this electrical failure could have been catastrophic.
This is what happens to a major technical civilisation when its life-blood, its electrical supply, is turned off. Chaos looms, people die, production ceases, life is put on hold. Yet this was just a once-in-a-decade event, a memorable occasion to laugh about over dinner-parties for many years to come, but just imagine what would happen to a society where this happened every week, or if the power was cut for a whole fortnight or more. Now things are getting serious. Without transport, refrigeration, computers and key workers, food production and distribution would cease. Sleeping in Central Park on a balmy summer’s night is a memorable inconvenience, whereas fifty million empty bellies is getting very serious indeed. In fact, it is a recipe for violence and civil unrest.
But what has all this doom and gloom got to do with the government’s drive for renewable energy, you might ask? Well, the entire problem with renewables – almost all renewables – is that they are dangerously intermittent power sources.
Perhaps the first renewable source we should discuss is tidal power. Unfortunately, while tidal power initially looks like a dream power source of cheap, renewable energy, it suffers from massive variability in supply. The energy that it produces is tidal, and the tides are, of course, linked to the orbit of the Moon, with there being about two tides every day. This sinusoidal tidal pattern produces four slack periods during each day when the tide is turning, either at high tide or at low tide, and during these slack periods the tidal power system will not generate any electricity at all. Unfortunately, the energy that is produced is therefore delivered at set periods of the day which are connected to the orbit of the Moon, rather than our daily lives, and so the electricity produced is in no way synchronised with the electrical demand cycle. If these slack periods coincide with the 7-am and 7-pm peak demands for electricity, as they will several times a month, then the whole generating system is next to useless.
Since the energy produced earlier in the day cannot be stored, as will be explained later, extra generating capacity will have to be brought on-line to cover the deficiency. This means that for every tidal system installed, a conventional power station will have to be either built or retained to ensure continuity of energy supply. But this power station will have to be up and running all the time, what is known in the industry as ’spinning-reserve’, as it takes up to 12 hours to bring a power station on-line from a cold start-up. Thus if we are to maintain continuity of supply, this wonderful ‘free-energy’ tidal source actually results in twice the cost and saves very little in the way of hydrocarbon fuels. So, unless we are prepared to accept rolling power cuts across the country, which would result in the same chaos as the Northeast blackout, it is unlikely that we could ever successfully integrate large tidal power systems into the National Grid.
While tidal power may be predictably intermittent, wind power is even more problematical. Recent EU directives have stipulated that some 40% of electricity should be powered from renewable resources by 2020. If this were to be predominantly produced from wind turbines, as is likely, then we would need some 30 gigawatts (gw) of wind generating capacity. To put that figure in perspective, the UK currently has about 0.5 gw of wind capacity. However, that is not the full story, for UK wind turbines are only currently delivering about 25% of installed capacity, due to wind fluctuations and maintenance issues. That means we actually need some 120 gw of installed wind generation capacity to cover just 40% of total UK electrical demand. If the turbines being constructed average 2 mw rated capacity, then we shall need some 60,000 wind turbines to be installed over the next twelve years. And where shall we erect all those? – Certainly Not In My Back Yard.
But building thousands of wind turbines still does not resolve the fundamental problem, for the real problem here is the enormous scale of wind variability. I saw a wind-power spokesman the other week on the flagship BBC Hardtalk series, who claimed that the number of days without wind power in the UK were as rare as hen’s teeth – a comment that went totally unchallenged. Well all I can say, is that the hens in the UK must look like a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
The truth of the matter is that there are numerous days without significant winds across the UK, and when those conditions occur it doesn’t matter how much installed generating capacity we have, for it all goes off-line. A report from Denmark 2 indicates that the Danish ‘wind carpet’, which is the largest array of wind turbines in Europe, generated less than 1% of installed power on 54 days during 2002. That is more than one day every week of the year without electrical power. However, if we broaden the definition of ‘without power’ slightly, the same Danish ‘wind carpet’ generated less than 10% of installed capacity for some 16 weeks during 2003. Yet Denmark has the same kind of northerly, maritime weather systems as does the UK. Thus the wind-generation industry is lying to us, once more, for a ‘wind carpet’ that generates less than 10% of installed capacity it next to useless, for the national electrical grid will never cope with such a massive reduction in power supply. In fact, wind generation is so useless, that Denmark, Europe’s largest wind generating nation by far, has never used any of its wind-generated electricity – because it is too variable. It is almost impossible to integrate wind power into a normal generating grid, and so Denmark has merely exported its variable wind supplies to Norway and Sweden. 3 These nations can cope with these electrical fluctuations because of their abundance of hydro-electric power, which can be turned on and off quite rapidly, unlike most other generating systems.
This revelation, that wind power is totally unusable, brings us onto the other great lie of renewable energy proponents – the lie that renewable power can somehow be stored to cope with power outages. The first of these miraculous energy storage facilities, that is said to come to the aid of the thousands of wind-turbines that lie motionless across the entire nation, is the pumped water storage system. However, this claim is utter nonsense, and for the following reasons:
a. Our present pumped storage systems are already fully utilized in overcoming variability in electrical DEMAND, and so they have absolutely no extra capacity for overcoming variability in SUPPLY due to the unreliable wind and tidal generation systems.
b. Pumped storage systems currently only supply a very small percentage of the grid (about 5%) for just a few hours, while wind generation systems can go off-line for days or weeks at a time, as the Danish generation report clearly demonstrates. To put this argument into figures, the Dinorwig power storage system, the largest in the UK, can provide 5% of the UK’s power generation requirements (2.9 gw) for up to 5 hours before it runs out of water. (Thus the total capacity of Dinorwig is 14.5 gwh). If the UK was entirely dependent on wind power, a wind outage lasting just two days would require 140 storage stations with the same generating capacity as Dinorwig to maintain normal power supplies (assuming average UK demand of 1,000 gwh/day). As the Danish report confirms, power outages lasting a week or more are the norm, rather than the exception, and so if the UK generated a significant proportion of our electrical capacity from wind-turbines, as the EU has argued, the lights and heating systems would be going out, the computers going down and transport systems failing all over the country.
c. Pumped storage systems are not only hugely expensive to construct, the topography of Britain ensures that very few sites are available, and so we will never be able to store significant amounts of our energy requirements. These storage systems also tend to be situated in areas of outstanding natural beauty, and so – you have guessed it – the Greens oppose the very storage system they are promoting.
The same kind of argument can be sustained for flywheel energy storage, compressed air storage, battery storage and hydrogen storage – for each and every one of these systems is highly complex, very expensive, hugely inefficient and limited in capacity. The much hyped ‘Hydrogen Economy’ is one of these technological cul-de-sacs. It should be stated from the outset that hydrogen is not an energy source, but an energy storage system – a ‘battery’. The hydrogen has to be created before it is used, and it merely stores the energy that is flowing through the normal electrical grid. Unfortunately for the proponents of this clean ‘energy system’, hydrogen powered vehicles and generators are only about 5% efficient. A huge amount of energy is wasted in the production, liquification and storage of the hydrogen, and so hydrogen will not be propelling our cars, nor will it be storing energy for when the wind stops blowing. In addition, hydrogen storage vessels are highly flammable and potentially explosive, and I for one would rather have a nuclear power station on my doorstep than a hydrogen facility. However, the final unsayable truth about hydrogen powered vehicles (and electric vehicles) is that we would have to double or treble the number of power stations to cope with this electrical demand. The fact that many cars would recharge overnight would be useful in evening out electrical demand, but the number of power stations in the UK would at least double. Now what would the Greens have to say about that?
In short, it would appear that some of the proponents of these storage systems simply have no concept of the huge amounts of energy that a nation like Britain uses within a normal week. There is no energy system available that can remotely be expected to replace renewable energy resources, while they lie dormant for weeks on end. These and other delusions that are being being peddled by renewables proponents are downright dangerous, as they give ignorant ministers in government the impression that we can maintain this nation on renewable energy supplies. But nothing could be further from the truth, and the 2003 blackouts demonstrate the seriousness of the consequences if we do run out of electrical power.
Nuclear
But if the large-scale use of renewable energy systems is utterly impractical, there has to be a solution to our energy supply problems; because even in the short term our dependance on foreign oil and gas places us at the mercy of oil and gas owning despots, who will seek to gain every leverage possible over us. Look at the current situation in the Middle East and Russia and multiply that by ten, and you have some idea of our future political situation if we become solely dependent on foreign energy supplies.
In addition to this – for every year we delay in getting reliable and internally sourced energy supplies, millions of tonnes of a valuable mineral resources are literally going up in smoke. Nearly everything we need in our modern world needs oil as a raw material to make it – no oil supplies not only means no energy, but also no raw materials too. When the last barrel of oil comes out of the ground – and if alternate energy provisions are not already in place – human civilization as we know it will cease to exist. That is neither an exaggeration nor a joke, for absolutely nothing in our modern world will work without adequate energy supplies and petrochemical raw materials to make the things we so often take for granted.
What ever you may think about the technology, the ONLY reliable answer to our energy supply and global warming problems for the foreseeable future is going to be nuclear power (either fission or fusion). Ok, so nuclear power has got a bad name through Chernobyl and a few other incidents, but the Chernobyl plant in particular should never have been allowed in the first place. The RBMK design was (and still is) a rudimentary graphite moderated steam cooled plant with no containment vessel – indeed, it was no better that the original ‘graphite pile’ in the Manhattan Project (circa 1943). Remember that graphite and steam are an explosive combination if they get hot enough, and that’s exactly what happened at Chernobyl (this was NOT a ‘nuclear’ explosion). This arrangement should never have been allowed at the design stage, which is why the British AGRs (Advanced Gas Reactors) used an inert gas coolant. In addition, both the AGR and the the USAs PWRs (Pressurized Water Reactors) are naturally fission-stable, and their very nature will resist and counter a runaway thermic event like that which occurred at Chernobyl.
While the early designs of nuclear power stations have highlighted the problems that poor design or construction can pose, our design and technological capability has moved on in great strides. The Russian RBMKs are the equivalent of a model T Ford, the British AGRs represent Morris Minor technology from the ’60s, but we are now capable of producing Bugattis and Ferraris – which provide a quantum leap in terms of safety and efficiency. The point is that there are methods of reducing nuclear risks if we put our minds to it, and the latest design from Westinghouse – the AP1000 – will be able to deliver ten times the efficiency of the reactors in current use. (Which makes it odd that the UK government have just sold Westinghouse to Toshiba of Japan, just as orders for new power stations are about to be signed.)
Therefore, we could supply Britain’s entire current and future energy requirements with nuclear power, while only using the same amount of nuclear material that is in circulation today (and which produces just 20% of our needs). Remember also that nuclear power is non-polluting in terms of greenhouse gasses, acid rain and other noxious emissions, and thus all of the reductions that we aspire to make in these pollutants could be achieved in a stroke if we turned to nuclear power.
And when it comes to nuclear safety issues, let us not forget that thousands of people in ships and submarines live in close proximity to nuclear plants with no ill-effects. Also remember that while nuclear power has acquired a bad name, courtesy of some sections of the media, far more ecological damage has been done and many more people have died though oil and coal extraction, over the past decades, than in nuclear power incidents. Remember Piper Alpha, Aberfan, Torry Canyon, Exxon Valdes, etc: etc:? The list is almost endless, especially if one includes all the coal-pit disasters in Russia and China, from which much of our energy, in terms of finished products, is now sourced. If a nuclear power station had killed a whole school full of children the environmentalists would never let us forget it, but because it was the result of the coal industry they let the memory fade. If 6,000 workers were killed every year in the nuclear industry Greenpeace would go ballistic, but because these are coal mining deaths in China they are ignored. Why do some people exhibit these double standards? What is it about technical progress that they so despise? In some respects, some of these anti-nuclear demonstrators appear to be portraying themselves as the world’s very own technological Taliban, and in this guise they must be vigorously opposed.
However, it should be borne in mind that fission power is only a temporary stop-gap that will maintain our economy and civilisation over the next century until something better comes along. Nuclear fusion may well be that brighter future, but for all the reasons already given we need a solution now, not in 30 year’s time. Nuclear fission will provide a stop-gap for that vital century, but fission power on its own is a non-renewable energy resource. The way forward has to be fast-breeder fission, where the nuclear core creates its own fuel supply, a technique that has already been demonstrated and perfected. This energy source would provide the world with 1,000 years of energy, a large enough stop-gap to allow all kinds of new exotic energy sources to be discovered and exploited.
We have about 30 or so years before the shortage of oil becomes acute and our economies and societies begin to falter, and that is not very much time in which to alter our entire energy production industry. It is like relying on the Victorians to plan ahead and ensure that we still had a viable civilisation in the 1930s. And while the Victorians were both successful and resourceful, history demonstrates that new sources of raw materials were never actively planned until the old sources were in desperately short supply or worked-out completely. However, the introduction of a new, nationwide power generating system is an extremely long-term investment, and if we are to make this change without a dramatic interruption to our energy supplies (and our society) we need foresight, vision and a quick decision. What we need is a tough, educated, talented, rational leader to take a difficult but responsible decision to dramatically increase our nuclear energy production capability. However, what we have in the UK is Gordon Brown!
Ralph Ellis
June 2004
1. David Derbyshire, Daily Mail 5th Feb 2008.
2 & 3 Hugh Sharman, Why wind power works in Denmark.
His arguments are quite compelling. We can play around with new alternative energy technologies, but we must have massive investments in nuclear to bridge the energy gap from oil & gas to whatever it is that future development in technology provides.
With respect to the question of where do you store the nuclear waste, it can easily and safely be stored in the Yucca Mountain site in Nevada. Only environmental opponents, politics and leftist judges are preventing this site from being used.
Many will be shocked when their living standards plummet as the result of our need to compete for energy with the rest of the world. We will be competing with a weakened economy and currency. As a result, nearly everything, from food to clothing to shelter, will cost more due to a higher energy component.
There’s even LESS extractable uranium than oil.
You may have overlooked the spike in yellowcake prices before the bust. Part was due to speculation, but another part was due to the limited amount of uranium that is easily mined. Seawater extraction talk is like fusion talk – hype and hope, but not much reality. And nuclear darlings like France hide the true costs of nuclear deep in secret government financing while shipping waste to places like Kazakhstan.
There is one energy source that will remain plentiful for the next few centuries, it right here in the United States, and has an evolving technology that has reduced pollutants 95% since the 1960s and will likely address CO2 in the near future, as well. One should not dismiss renewables in the mix. They make sense – as long as one is realistic about their potential contribution.
Similarly, one should not close down the current nuclear generating facilities, but to think that new nukes will be anything other than a massive black hole for money and a nightmare for waste disposal is to ignore history and to place the United States at greater risk.
We just sold the farm to a guy that is going to convert it to solar power.
So that is hundreds of acres of good agricultural land out of production that will be producing heavily subsidized solar power. And you wonder why the economy is collapsing?
The US has huge new amounts of natural gas.
U.S. Gas Fields Go From Bust to Boom
By BEN CASSELMAN
CADDO PARISH, La. — A massive natural-gas discovery here in northern Louisiana heralds a big shift in the nation’s energy landscape. After an era of declining production, the U.S. is now swimming in natural gas.
Even conservative estimates suggest the Louisiana discovery — known as could hold some 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. That’s the the Haynesville Shale, for the dense rock formation that contains the gas — equivalent of 33 billion barrels of oil, or 18 years’ worth of current U.S. oil production. Some industry executives think the field could be several times that size.
Full story – http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124104549891270585.html
Interesting,
Very well written overview on energy obstacles we all face worldwide. Hydrogen is a partial answer, as is solar and wind, but not until a new approach is used to combine these clean green technologies together will we see a viable solution. What we have witnessed over the years is a battle of which is better. This is clearly motivated by self interest groups and this is why we have seen no total solution to date, just excuses.
Controlled hydrogen fusion is the answer as I have seen, but only when combined technologies are used will it become feasible from a cost basis. The problem with gov. overall is they cannot decide which direction to go, so they go nowhere fast. Subsidies are never consistant, here today, gone tomorrow, so this hinders investors to move forward in any one direction. It is not that there is no answer to our energy crisis, it is that there are no people in gov. who have a clue on how to encourage energy alteternatives, they just keep getting in the way by taking back pocket lobbyist money in U.S. which keeps true progress at bay. Witness the recent announcement from Chu who is pulling back funding for hydrogen development. The same old same old helter skepter approach is all we see in U.S. Now I wonder who paid him off. lol
If we saw the Feed In Tariff adopted worldwide, we would see true progress, not by the gov. funded labs, but by the true inventors of the world, the so called backyard inventors. This is where the billions should have been spent over the past couple decades, not to these major college labs which have accomplished nothing in all these years. It is about time all countries develop a universal adoption of Feed In Tariff which will allow a profit to be made by installing solar, wind and hydrogen generators in our homes and businesses. This is how you solve current energy issues. Soon the world will see a new hydrogen technology, a closed loop system, so no emissions at all which will satisfy all the greenies out there. Just a matter of time and many new hydrogen based systems will hit market, not mega plants, but compact units for every home and business. This is where the future in energy lies, not in fusion or fission mega power plants, but small units by the millions.
OT: Did you watch the Google-ad video at the top of this thread attacking hamburgers and cows as a cause of ‘global warming’? I suppose it’s ironic justice for these whackos to help pay for WUWT, but it’s disconcerting, nonetheless. I like hamburgers!
Re Gary Pearse (06:06:08) : on sequestration:
I too am fearful of the idea of pumping tons of compressed (liquified?) CO2 underground. While CO2 is a friendly, helpful gas (contrary to the alarmists), it can be suffocating in some circumstances. There was that lake in Africa that burped an invisible cloud of CO2 and killed everyone in a nearby village.
This sequestration idea is expensive, insane folly and must be stopped before it gets enshrined into law and regulation.
/Mr Lynn
Thorium fission reactors are interesting. Short half life, availability of fuel, can’t make bombs from the by-products. Guess the Indians on the sub-continent have got one sorta up and running . . .
http://thoriumenergy.blogspot.com/
M White (03:04:05)
I’ll believe this when the Welsh cut their connection to the UK National Grid powered by Hydro, Nuclear, Wind (if you believe the fairy stories) and……wait for it……..COAL and GAS. There will be no Carbon fuelled power stations in Wales, they’ll just be running over the border in England and Scotland.
Talk about Spin and Drivel, Welsh Windbags strike again.
Mr. Hagen,
I strongly agree with your conclusion that we should focus on transportation more than the electricity grid, per se, but much of the transportation needed on a daily basis could be provided with electricity in that trains and mass transits could be made to run off electricity. Ships can run off nuclear power, as well as coal, oil and even wind if you do not mind spending a few months at sea for a journey that would otherwise take a week or less.
High speed trains like they have in Europe or Japan are time competitive with jets out to about 300-500 miles depending how fast the train is, how many stops it make and how you calculate the time you spend in the airport before the plane is even loaded.
Cities could be designed better with smaller footprints so people could walk to where they want to go. Homes could be designed with the same yard area, and same square footage if they only built them taller, 3-4 story homes including dormers and basements would be nice, not sacrificing American standards of living or creating a “New York City” urban environment. Smaller cities in terms of area would make public transportation more usable and cost effective.
Smaller denser cities would also make it less expensive to add district heating and cooling capibilities, which would reduce costs for consumers overtime. Waste heat from powerplants could be used for industrial steam as well as residential heating and possibly cooling. While reducing the distance needed to be driven by those who choose not to use public transit.
Since WW2 American cities have been designed around the car. The car is not the problem, rather it is the design of American cities which are impractical to walk. Seeking a solution by merely focusing on designing different cars neglects the solution that could be created by designing different cities.
I am a firm believer in clean coal technologies and I seriously doubt that it will be ignored in the future. There is too much profit to be had by developing this in-house powerful and abundant energy source. For industrial purposes, I think market forces (regardless of who is in power) will turn that way eventually as well as continue to use hydro power. I also see cities and larger industrial complexes installing the smaller nuclear plants you see in subs and ships.
That said, I am quite happy using alternative sources of energy for my home and car. Solar lights, used cooking oil fuel for my car, heating, and cooking, whatever. However, right now I don’t find these sources to be of high quality or easily found. For example, solar powered porch lights, while bright enough, aren’t robust enough to handle winter weather. I bought two such lights, both with puny wiring from the solar panel to the light. One got through the winter, the other didn’t. It was the housing and wiring that was the weakest link. If you want the rank and file home owner/renter to use alternative sources, they have to be made rough and tough. I don’t mind changing light bulbs, but I do mind very much having to buy the whole enchilada every year. Bottom line, alternative energy such as would be used locally for residential purposes has to be reliable all the time, and has to last longer than a fortnight. If this would be the case, I don’t mind letting industry use hydro, nuclear, and coal fired electricity. After all, they provide jobs.
Of course there are conversion technologies for coal, the Fischer-Tropsch process is where it all started back in the 1920s. Coal can be easily converted to gas, or liquid transport fuel. If you are inteserested, one of the newset coal power plants, a “coal gasification” installation has now gone online outside TAMPA FL. Coal gasification brings with it cleaner burn and higher effeciency. Its the TECO Polk power plant. http://www.tecoenergy.com/news/powerstation/polk/
And as if by magic, the USA has about 25-30% of all the world’s coal reserves.
Last time I checked, in Europe, England and Germany also have massive coal reserves. Germany ran their WWII war effoert on coal conversion technology.
“The critical issue we must urgently address is developing alternative fuels fast enough to compensate for the projected 6%/year decline in light oil exports.”
This particular argument – we are running out of oil – has been around since I was a kid. We were always going to run completely out in 20-30 years. Of course those dates have come and gone several times over in my life.
When I was a college freshman in 1979 at UVa, I took an environmental sciences seminar for a single credit. There were about 30 of us young idealogical thinkers in the class, every one of which was certain we would be out of oil well before the year 2000. The seminar leader explained why that was not true. Some believed him, others remained steadfast that we were doomed.
The seminar leader was Fred Singer. Of course I’ve now read many times on sites like Real Climate that he is not to be trusted. But it seems to me like he was right about everything he said 30 years ago.
Renewable energy is fine, as long as only discretionary funds are being spent on it. The problems arise when money needed for essential services is diverted to wasteful spending. It’s OK to use entertainment money for gambling, but not OK to use mortgage money for gambling. And not OK to send the tax men out with guns to collect more money to replace what has been wasted.
Here is a little bit of sanity !!!!! US to go for a 5% cut in CO2 over 30 years vs the goal of 30% in 30 years per the EU.
May 22 (Bloomberg) — The European Union may have to scale back its goals to reduce global-warming emissions after a less- ambitious plan won initial approval in U.S. Congress.
The 27-nation bloc has asked all industrialized countries to reduce greenhouse gases an average 30 percent over 30 years. The first U.S. legislation ever to cap emissions, which passed a committee vote yesterday, calls for a 5 percent cut by American industry in the period. The gap poses a potential conflict when global talks on a new climate treaty resume June 1 in Bonn.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=al.muj4SD7u4&refer=home
I know from first-hand experience that PV systems are not cost effective. I had a 1KW array installed. Total cost $12,000, plus I rented and ran a backhoe and helped mix and pour cement, no truck access. The avg daily output is about 4.2 KW, so over twenty years, should it last so long, the system will produce 30.66 MegaWatts, which would cost $2452.80 with conventional generation at today’s prices. This is in Colorado, with 300 sunny days a year. Instead of paying 8 cents a KW, the array produces 39 cents/KW juice. I only did it as I was told the system would provide 100% of my electricity, instead of the 25% it actually does. I’m thinking of putting in a hydrogenerator in my creek, probably a bunch of 12V DC alternators I can put into the electronics from my PV array, also a 12V DC system.
With regard to hydrogen in cars, it depends on the implementation. If you do it through fuel cells, yes, all you will get out is H20 more or less. If you burn the hydrogen in an internal combustion engine or turbine or other sort of thing that relies on heat production, you will produce NOx as a byproduct unless you also carry pure oxygen to burn the fuel.
re: Alarmist 5 years ago. Very interesting paper on the UK wind farms. I would actually be happy if I thought that the wind farms would in fact be 27% efficient. What I would like to see is an analysis of the ‘minimum’ average, where all the farms (looks like June-July) were at their minimum. Those are the numbers we would have to rely on. We don’t care how much they make at their peak, or at their overall average, the problem is the fact that at times they make dramatically less than that average….
Once upon a time a visionary was a person with a possible solution to a perceived problem who worked mind-numbing hours to develop his vision and persuaded private citizens to invest in his vision. Oh, and everybody made money from that visionary.
Today’s visionary takes a shortcut – it’s his vision and our money. And how will his vision become real? Details, grubby details; let other mere mortals do the hard work of making his vision real. His is the vision and that is all that matters in the environmental circus.
I marvel constantly at the disconnect of people within the Oil vs Renewables Debate, there is currently no direct correlation with electrical generation via renewables and oil demand. PERIOD.
You are making a technological leap of faith to the electrified transporation system, by-passing all the requirements to get there. Then to make it worse as Mr Ellis points out oil is not just Petrol or Diesel there are several vitally important industrial chemicals and by-products of refining that will need to be replaced as well.
Bulding solar arrays and wind farms will not affect the oil demand unless you remake the transportation system, not just the light passenger vehicles but the WHOLE SYSTEM, trains, planes, trucks, everything.
In order to electrify the transportation system, at least up to all ground based (leave air travel aside) we will need to effectively double electrical generation ( unless you create a recharge curfew people will charge their vehicles whenever they want so the capacity has to be there) . We are chasing a rolling ball down an slope because we are not building electrical generation and infrastructure fast enough today to catch the ball but are demanding that we increase the incline exponentially.
We have a “peak electricity” issue coming fast because we are not replacing the aging systems we have fast enough. This is not because lack of planning it is because the ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS imposed over the last couple decades have increased costs 20% and planning lengths by 2-10 years to provide the assessments and get regulatory approvals from not one but several agencies, that means the delays are causing us to continue to operate facilites that should have already been replaced by more modern and efficent ones that have lower GHG emissions.
The environmental movement has hindered our evolutionary cycling of technology by delaying its implementation. We cannot build a cleaner power station, if we cannot ACTUALLY BUILD a cleaner power station.
Yes power stations are being built but not at the rate to match demand + attrition, lots of information at the DOE website if you want figures.
Is this available as a .pdf? I’d like to send it to a bunch of greens. (if only to annoy them)
The points are all well made. If solar were included, the numbers would be even worse. Sure it works, some of the time, with massive subsidy. If more people installed it, it would bankrupt the country (assuming we are not already there)
In the U.S. we do have better terrain for water storage, more hills and mountains, but usually in places that folks wouldn’t want man made lakes. And places with dams (Lake Shasta for example) generally don’t have much excess energy to pump the water back up the hill.
Without reprocessing, I’m not a fan of nuclear. France has shown that it can be done. If we could get Congress and the NRC off their duffs and approve newer designs with a way to deal with spent fuel, we could have as much energy as we need for as long as we want for a reasonable price.
For some reason, I don’t expect this will happen.
When I lived in Reno, Nevada, I had a friend that was building a house on a fairly large piece of land. To get commercial power to his house was going to cost him about $30K for the power lines. On the other hand, a complete subsidized solar panel/battery system with a 100% diesel generator back up was also going to cost him $30K. It was sized so that he would not have to change his lifestyle (i.e. read by candle light at night!)
One of the key pieces in his decision process was that he could sell his “green credits” to a utility in California (I believe it was PG&E). Every month the utility was going to take money from their rate payers and give it to him to subsidize his life style. He was quite pleased with himself. He considered the subsidy a kind of “stupid tax” on Californians that would not only tolerate it but demand it.
Some people are going to make a lot of money (it has been reported that Al Gore has already made some $100 million on this) and some people are going to be a lot poorer.
I predict that in twenty years there is going to be a vast array of failed “green power” projects (think dead wind turbines, abandoned because they are no longer subsidized). Much like the energy projects started during the Carter War on Energy that ended up being monuments to fools. After all, if you don’t learn the lessons of history, you are condemned to repeat them.
I hate to pick on California, but….
I recall reading a story about a geo-thermal project started by then-Governor Jerry Brown (affectionately known as Governor MoonBeam). It was up in the Geyserville area. It seems that the state built this plant with much fan fare about “green power” saving the planet, etc.
When they got the plant completed, they found out that there was no geothermal steam supply in the area. So they shuttered it. Later, it was sold for pennies on the dollar to someone that would build a pipeline to a steam source.
(It was years ago that I read this story, so I may have it wrong, maybe very wrong. After all, I am getting really old and I welcome correction.)
Regards,
Steamboat Jack
I’m a hybrid. I’ve ranched for 40 years in the mountainous region of western USA. I’ve logged, mined and farmed over the years. I produce my own organically grown food and meat. I am a staunch conservationist (greenie?).
I survived both the Viet Nam war and Haight-Ashbury.
I’m on the local watershed council, forest council and I am a hearty advocate of sustainable management of resources.
Both of these councils are made up of industry and conservation interests. We have found common ground to work together for our various motives.
On our forest council we have been addressing the aftermath of destructive logging practices of the post WW II – 1980’s era. Clear cutting, herbicide spraying and the persistent noxious weed problems have left their toll on the watersheds.
Recently we have been enthusiastically pursuing the conversion of the excess biomass of 585,000 acres that have been clear cut since the war into biofuel and biochar through fast pyrolysis. There are millions of tons of cellulosic material in the reproduction zones of public lands out here. These tree stands are so overstocked that they represent a catastrophic fire hazard of proportions hard to imagine. They are even aged stands loaded with ladder fuels that sterilize the earth when they ignite.
The cost of producing these acres of biomass is a mere fraction of what it takes to produce corn to create ethanol.
Congress signed into law that biomass from public lands can not be used to create alternative energies (Biofuel Incentives and the Energy Title of the 2007 Farm Bill). Why?
Richard111 (05:22:42)
With regards to the Pembroke plant. With a bit of imagination its emissions will be English.
Greenhouse gas emission trends and projections in Europe 2008 from the European evironmental agency
http://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/eea_report_2008_5
I guess You will apologize iff I submit this in French, but I’m not enough fluent in English, in a matter that is not easy even in French.
Si je suis d’accord sur les objections soulevées dans l’article, il en est une qui n’est jamais évoquée et qui à mon avis est rédhibitoire pour la filière éolienne, et dans une moindre mesure photovoltaïque.
Pour se brancher au réseau, les éoliennes doivent être parfaitement synchrones avec celui-ci.Tout qui a un jour été à la barre d’un voilier sait bien que le vent est variable en force et direction en permanence,et que sans cesse il est nécessaire d’adapter la tension dans les écoutes et dans la barre.Pour une éolienne, le problème est encore plus complexe:la plus infime variation de vitesse de rotation, de par la démultiplication,engendre immédiatement le déphasage et le découplage.De plus, de par l’inertie des énormes pales, l’éolienne va avoir tendance à accélérer ou à ralentir avant même qu’une correction du “pitch” ou de l’orientation soit effectuée.Pour palier à ce problème sinon insoluble, les éoliennes sont équipées de générateurs asynchrones,branchés directement sur le réseau.Ceci permet de tourner en permanence à la vitesse de consigne du réseau, et de débiter lorsque l’éolienne accélère.Vous remarquerez que dans un champ d’éoliennes, elles sont toutes parfaitement synchronisées, alors que sur l’étendue, des conditions de vents très variables sont inévitables.Autre avantage, l’éolienne qui est mise à la vitesse de consigne,par le courant pris sur le réseau, n’a pas à vaincre l’inertie du système pour se trouver en conditions de production, profitant de la moindre bourrasque.Inconvénient:le courant généré est en avance de phase.Si la production est minime,cela n’a pas d’inconvénients.Par contre, dès que la production devient importante,ce courant déphasé va faire chuter la tension ,aggravant une éventuelle charge limite du réseau(En Allemagne, ce phénomène prend des proportions telles, que l’on a vu des lignes haute tension branchées à des champs d’éoliennes, chauffer au point de voir les cables traîner par terre)Il n’est pas douteux que la grande panne de 2003 vient de ce problème non résolu.On comprend donc aisément que dans l’état de la technique,il devient périlleux d’aligner une trop forte proportion de courant généré à partir d’éoliennes.On avait bien imaginer de faire produire du courant continu, pour éviter ce problème, avec des onduleurs en aval mais alors on débouche sur un autre problème qui est celui du photovoltaïque,à savoir que les courants ondulés à partir de “hacheurs” électroniques n’est pas sinusoïdal comme le réseau.A nouveau, la mise sur le réseau de courants pulsés à divers endroits de celui-ci peut engendrer des phénomènes de résonances difficiles à maîtriser dès que la puissance en ligne devient significative.
Comme on le voit,ces filières sont loin d’être suffisamment au point que pour espérer prendre le relais de centrales classiques.Il n’y a à mon avis aucune autre raison pour que l’Allemagne ait arrêté son programme éolien et ait mis en chantier 15 centrales classiques.
However, it is my belief that this sublime day-dream actually holds the seeds for our economic decline and for social disorder on an unprecedented scale. Why? Because no technical and industrial society can maintain itself on unreliable and intermittent power supplies.
Ralph Ellis clearly belongs to the reality-based community. I can’t help but remember this quote from Ron Suskind in the New York Times 5 years ago. It’s about the faith-based Bush presidency, but it may as well be about a faith-based environmental movement.
The aide said that guys like me were ”in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
Nothing has changed. Nothing at all.
Looking at these large scale systems and estimates of cost often lead the greens to argue the estimates are false. On a smaller scale, a neighbor of mine installed a solar system. I was interested, and asked for a tour. He explained the system had cut his power costs by 1/3, roughly $75/month in this area. Cost of his system? $23,000 dollars.
I’ve seen different estimates, but world coal reserves I believe exceed 1000 Gigatons. Our Oil shale reserves I’ve seen estimated equivalent to 2 Trillion barrels of oil and Canada has another 2-3 Trillion. A recent post on this site listed natural gas supplies sufficient to last 100 years at the current rate of consumption, and noted that exploration has already invalidated claims of limited supply from 20 years ago. Eventually, these sources will expire. But it appears we have sufficient supply to continue unimpeded for the next 50 years while we spin up Nuclear resources, and improve other technologies.
But the risk I see, also noted in this post, is that our so called leaders are making the choice first to limit supply of existing energies, while floating in a dream world of ‘renewables’. I see rolling outages and rationing leading to social unrest if this lunacy isn’t stopped.