
This essay below from Ralph Ellis was posted in comments a couple of days ago, and I decided to promote it to a full post.
For the record, let me say that I support some of the renewable energy ideas, even putting money where my mouth is, putting solar on my own home and a local school. However, neither project would have been possible without state subsidies. For renewable energy to work in our economy, it must move past the government subsidy stage and become more efficient. It took over a hundred years t create our current energy infrastructure, anyone who believes we can completely rebuild it with the current crop of renewable energy technologies is not realistic. – Anthony
Renewable energy – our downfall? By Ralph Ellis
The government, under pressure from a disparate confederation of environmentalists and greens, have agreed to press ahead with a host of renewable energy sources, including wind, tidal and wave power. Yet, despite the vast sums of public money that will be allocated to these projects and the fundamental enormity of the decisions that have been made, there has been very little in the way of open debate on the subject. Like many aspects of today’s governmental system, the powers that be appear to have made a decision about future energy production based upon image, spin and the number of votes the policy will capture, while ignoring the basic truths and science that should be the foundation-stone of any policy. Nobody has even debated the absolutely fundamental question of whether any of these energy generation systems actually work. The media’s reaction to this steamrollered, image-based decision-making process has been muted to the point of being inaudible, and I can only assume that either very few in the media have any grasp of the calamitous implications of the government’s policy, or they are cowering behind their desks for fear of losing their jobs.
So why, then, do I consider renewable energy to be a danger to the entire nation, both economically and socially? This is, after all, ‘free energy’, and what can be the problem with a free resource? Well, as readers will probably be fully aware, no resource is free even if it appears to be so, and this is the first of the many lies about renewable energy that have been peddled by industry spokesmen and government ministers. Oil is not free, despite it just sitting in the ground; water is not free, despite it falling from the sky; nuclear power is not free, despite the raw materials being ridiculously cheap, and neither is any renewable energy resource ‘free’. In fact, the conversion process from ‘free’ renewable energy to usable grid electricity is remarkably expensive and its enormous costs are being subsidised by the consumer. In the UK, this subsidy is achieved through Renewables Obligation Certificates, the cost of which are eventually passed onto the consumer. In 2006 the cost to consumers was £600 million, and this is predicted to rise to £3 billion in 2020. 1 That is about £200 per household per annum, on top of current energy bills, for the privilege of using of ‘free’ energy.
Now one might argue that that is not very much money to demand from the public, given the advertised prospect of clean, renewable energy that will fuel our homes and our economy for the next few generations. Power at the press of a button, and not a drop of noxious emissions of any nature in sight – just an array of perfectly silent, gently rotating wind-turbines stretching towards the horizon – it is dream-world picture direct from the cover issue of an environmentalist magazine, and the answer to a politician’s prayers. In one master-stroke the environment is magically healed, and votes are captured by the million – roll on the next election.
However, it is my belief that this sublime day-dream actually holds the seeds for our economic decline and for social disorder on an unprecedented scale. Why? Because no technical and industrial society can maintain itself on unreliable and intermittent power supplies. In 2003 there were six major electrical blackouts across the world, and the American Northeast blackout of August 14th was typical of these. The outage started in Ohio, when some power lines touched some trees and took out the Eastlake power station, but the subsequent cascade failure took out 256 power stations within one hour.
The entire Northeast was down onto emergency electrical supplies, and the result was social and economic chaos. Nothing, in our integrated and automated world, works without electricity. Transport came to a grinding halt. Aircraft were grounded, trains halted and road traffic was at a standstill, due to a lack of traffic lights and fuel. Water supplies were severely disrupted, as were telecommunications, while buildings had to be evacuated due to a lack of fire detection and suppression systems. Without any available transport, many commuters were forced to sleep in offices or in Central Park, and while the summer temperatures made this an office-adventure to remember, had this been winter the results of this electrical failure could have been catastrophic.
This is what happens to a major technical civilisation when its life-blood, its electrical supply, is turned off. Chaos looms, people die, production ceases, life is put on hold. Yet this was just a once-in-a-decade event, a memorable occasion to laugh about over dinner-parties for many years to come, but just imagine what would happen to a society where this happened every week, or if the power was cut for a whole fortnight or more. Now things are getting serious. Without transport, refrigeration, computers and key workers, food production and distribution would cease. Sleeping in Central Park on a balmy summer’s night is a memorable inconvenience, whereas fifty million empty bellies is getting very serious indeed. In fact, it is a recipe for violence and civil unrest.
But what has all this doom and gloom got to do with the government’s drive for renewable energy, you might ask? Well, the entire problem with renewables – almost all renewables – is that they are dangerously intermittent power sources.
Perhaps the first renewable source we should discuss is tidal power. Unfortunately, while tidal power initially looks like a dream power source of cheap, renewable energy, it suffers from massive variability in supply. The energy that it produces is tidal, and the tides are, of course, linked to the orbit of the Moon, with there being about two tides every day. This sinusoidal tidal pattern produces four slack periods during each day when the tide is turning, either at high tide or at low tide, and during these slack periods the tidal power system will not generate any electricity at all. Unfortunately, the energy that is produced is therefore delivered at set periods of the day which are connected to the orbit of the Moon, rather than our daily lives, and so the electricity produced is in no way synchronised with the electrical demand cycle. If these slack periods coincide with the 7-am and 7-pm peak demands for electricity, as they will several times a month, then the whole generating system is next to useless.
Since the energy produced earlier in the day cannot be stored, as will be explained later, extra generating capacity will have to be brought on-line to cover the deficiency. This means that for every tidal system installed, a conventional power station will have to be either built or retained to ensure continuity of energy supply. But this power station will have to be up and running all the time, what is known in the industry as ’spinning-reserve’, as it takes up to 12 hours to bring a power station on-line from a cold start-up. Thus if we are to maintain continuity of supply, this wonderful ‘free-energy’ tidal source actually results in twice the cost and saves very little in the way of hydrocarbon fuels. So, unless we are prepared to accept rolling power cuts across the country, which would result in the same chaos as the Northeast blackout, it is unlikely that we could ever successfully integrate large tidal power systems into the National Grid.
While tidal power may be predictably intermittent, wind power is even more problematical. Recent EU directives have stipulated that some 40% of electricity should be powered from renewable resources by 2020. If this were to be predominantly produced from wind turbines, as is likely, then we would need some 30 gigawatts (gw) of wind generating capacity. To put that figure in perspective, the UK currently has about 0.5 gw of wind capacity. However, that is not the full story, for UK wind turbines are only currently delivering about 25% of installed capacity, due to wind fluctuations and maintenance issues. That means we actually need some 120 gw of installed wind generation capacity to cover just 40% of total UK electrical demand. If the turbines being constructed average 2 mw rated capacity, then we shall need some 60,000 wind turbines to be installed over the next twelve years. And where shall we erect all those? – Certainly Not In My Back Yard.
But building thousands of wind turbines still does not resolve the fundamental problem, for the real problem here is the enormous scale of wind variability. I saw a wind-power spokesman the other week on the flagship BBC Hardtalk series, who claimed that the number of days without wind power in the UK were as rare as hen’s teeth – a comment that went totally unchallenged. Well all I can say, is that the hens in the UK must look like a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
The truth of the matter is that there are numerous days without significant winds across the UK, and when those conditions occur it doesn’t matter how much installed generating capacity we have, for it all goes off-line. A report from Denmark 2 indicates that the Danish ‘wind carpet’, which is the largest array of wind turbines in Europe, generated less than 1% of installed power on 54 days during 2002. That is more than one day every week of the year without electrical power. However, if we broaden the definition of ‘without power’ slightly, the same Danish ‘wind carpet’ generated less than 10% of installed capacity for some 16 weeks during 2003. Yet Denmark has the same kind of northerly, maritime weather systems as does the UK. Thus the wind-generation industry is lying to us, once more, for a ‘wind carpet’ that generates less than 10% of installed capacity it next to useless, for the national electrical grid will never cope with such a massive reduction in power supply. In fact, wind generation is so useless, that Denmark, Europe’s largest wind generating nation by far, has never used any of its wind-generated electricity – because it is too variable. It is almost impossible to integrate wind power into a normal generating grid, and so Denmark has merely exported its variable wind supplies to Norway and Sweden. 3 These nations can cope with these electrical fluctuations because of their abundance of hydro-electric power, which can be turned on and off quite rapidly, unlike most other generating systems.
This revelation, that wind power is totally unusable, brings us onto the other great lie of renewable energy proponents – the lie that renewable power can somehow be stored to cope with power outages. The first of these miraculous energy storage facilities, that is said to come to the aid of the thousands of wind-turbines that lie motionless across the entire nation, is the pumped water storage system. However, this claim is utter nonsense, and for the following reasons:
a. Our present pumped storage systems are already fully utilized in overcoming variability in electrical DEMAND, and so they have absolutely no extra capacity for overcoming variability in SUPPLY due to the unreliable wind and tidal generation systems.
b. Pumped storage systems currently only supply a very small percentage of the grid (about 5%) for just a few hours, while wind generation systems can go off-line for days or weeks at a time, as the Danish generation report clearly demonstrates. To put this argument into figures, the Dinorwig power storage system, the largest in the UK, can provide 5% of the UK’s power generation requirements (2.9 gw) for up to 5 hours before it runs out of water. (Thus the total capacity of Dinorwig is 14.5 gwh). If the UK was entirely dependent on wind power, a wind outage lasting just two days would require 140 storage stations with the same generating capacity as Dinorwig to maintain normal power supplies (assuming average UK demand of 1,000 gwh/day). As the Danish report confirms, power outages lasting a week or more are the norm, rather than the exception, and so if the UK generated a significant proportion of our electrical capacity from wind-turbines, as the EU has argued, the lights and heating systems would be going out, the computers going down and transport systems failing all over the country.
c. Pumped storage systems are not only hugely expensive to construct, the topography of Britain ensures that very few sites are available, and so we will never be able to store significant amounts of our energy requirements. These storage systems also tend to be situated in areas of outstanding natural beauty, and so – you have guessed it – the Greens oppose the very storage system they are promoting.
The same kind of argument can be sustained for flywheel energy storage, compressed air storage, battery storage and hydrogen storage – for each and every one of these systems is highly complex, very expensive, hugely inefficient and limited in capacity. The much hyped ‘Hydrogen Economy’ is one of these technological cul-de-sacs. It should be stated from the outset that hydrogen is not an energy source, but an energy storage system – a ‘battery’. The hydrogen has to be created before it is used, and it merely stores the energy that is flowing through the normal electrical grid. Unfortunately for the proponents of this clean ‘energy system’, hydrogen powered vehicles and generators are only about 5% efficient. A huge amount of energy is wasted in the production, liquification and storage of the hydrogen, and so hydrogen will not be propelling our cars, nor will it be storing energy for when the wind stops blowing. In addition, hydrogen storage vessels are highly flammable and potentially explosive, and I for one would rather have a nuclear power station on my doorstep than a hydrogen facility. However, the final unsayable truth about hydrogen powered vehicles (and electric vehicles) is that we would have to double or treble the number of power stations to cope with this electrical demand. The fact that many cars would recharge overnight would be useful in evening out electrical demand, but the number of power stations in the UK would at least double. Now what would the Greens have to say about that?
In short, it would appear that some of the proponents of these storage systems simply have no concept of the huge amounts of energy that a nation like Britain uses within a normal week. There is no energy system available that can remotely be expected to replace renewable energy resources, while they lie dormant for weeks on end. These and other delusions that are being being peddled by renewables proponents are downright dangerous, as they give ignorant ministers in government the impression that we can maintain this nation on renewable energy supplies. But nothing could be further from the truth, and the 2003 blackouts demonstrate the seriousness of the consequences if we do run out of electrical power.
Nuclear
But if the large-scale use of renewable energy systems is utterly impractical, there has to be a solution to our energy supply problems; because even in the short term our dependance on foreign oil and gas places us at the mercy of oil and gas owning despots, who will seek to gain every leverage possible over us. Look at the current situation in the Middle East and Russia and multiply that by ten, and you have some idea of our future political situation if we become solely dependent on foreign energy supplies.
In addition to this – for every year we delay in getting reliable and internally sourced energy supplies, millions of tonnes of a valuable mineral resources are literally going up in smoke. Nearly everything we need in our modern world needs oil as a raw material to make it – no oil supplies not only means no energy, but also no raw materials too. When the last barrel of oil comes out of the ground – and if alternate energy provisions are not already in place – human civilization as we know it will cease to exist. That is neither an exaggeration nor a joke, for absolutely nothing in our modern world will work without adequate energy supplies and petrochemical raw materials to make the things we so often take for granted.
What ever you may think about the technology, the ONLY reliable answer to our energy supply and global warming problems for the foreseeable future is going to be nuclear power (either fission or fusion). Ok, so nuclear power has got a bad name through Chernobyl and a few other incidents, but the Chernobyl plant in particular should never have been allowed in the first place. The RBMK design was (and still is) a rudimentary graphite moderated steam cooled plant with no containment vessel – indeed, it was no better that the original ‘graphite pile’ in the Manhattan Project (circa 1943). Remember that graphite and steam are an explosive combination if they get hot enough, and that’s exactly what happened at Chernobyl (this was NOT a ‘nuclear’ explosion). This arrangement should never have been allowed at the design stage, which is why the British AGRs (Advanced Gas Reactors) used an inert gas coolant. In addition, both the AGR and the the USAs PWRs (Pressurized Water Reactors) are naturally fission-stable, and their very nature will resist and counter a runaway thermic event like that which occurred at Chernobyl.
While the early designs of nuclear power stations have highlighted the problems that poor design or construction can pose, our design and technological capability has moved on in great strides. The Russian RBMKs are the equivalent of a model T Ford, the British AGRs represent Morris Minor technology from the ’60s, but we are now capable of producing Bugattis and Ferraris – which provide a quantum leap in terms of safety and efficiency. The point is that there are methods of reducing nuclear risks if we put our minds to it, and the latest design from Westinghouse – the AP1000 – will be able to deliver ten times the efficiency of the reactors in current use. (Which makes it odd that the UK government have just sold Westinghouse to Toshiba of Japan, just as orders for new power stations are about to be signed.)
Therefore, we could supply Britain’s entire current and future energy requirements with nuclear power, while only using the same amount of nuclear material that is in circulation today (and which produces just 20% of our needs). Remember also that nuclear power is non-polluting in terms of greenhouse gasses, acid rain and other noxious emissions, and thus all of the reductions that we aspire to make in these pollutants could be achieved in a stroke if we turned to nuclear power.
And when it comes to nuclear safety issues, let us not forget that thousands of people in ships and submarines live in close proximity to nuclear plants with no ill-effects. Also remember that while nuclear power has acquired a bad name, courtesy of some sections of the media, far more ecological damage has been done and many more people have died though oil and coal extraction, over the past decades, than in nuclear power incidents. Remember Piper Alpha, Aberfan, Torry Canyon, Exxon Valdes, etc: etc:? The list is almost endless, especially if one includes all the coal-pit disasters in Russia and China, from which much of our energy, in terms of finished products, is now sourced. If a nuclear power station had killed a whole school full of children the environmentalists would never let us forget it, but because it was the result of the coal industry they let the memory fade. If 6,000 workers were killed every year in the nuclear industry Greenpeace would go ballistic, but because these are coal mining deaths in China they are ignored. Why do some people exhibit these double standards? What is it about technical progress that they so despise? In some respects, some of these anti-nuclear demonstrators appear to be portraying themselves as the world’s very own technological Taliban, and in this guise they must be vigorously opposed.
However, it should be borne in mind that fission power is only a temporary stop-gap that will maintain our economy and civilisation over the next century until something better comes along. Nuclear fusion may well be that brighter future, but for all the reasons already given we need a solution now, not in 30 year’s time. Nuclear fission will provide a stop-gap for that vital century, but fission power on its own is a non-renewable energy resource. The way forward has to be fast-breeder fission, where the nuclear core creates its own fuel supply, a technique that has already been demonstrated and perfected. This energy source would provide the world with 1,000 years of energy, a large enough stop-gap to allow all kinds of new exotic energy sources to be discovered and exploited.
We have about 30 or so years before the shortage of oil becomes acute and our economies and societies begin to falter, and that is not very much time in which to alter our entire energy production industry. It is like relying on the Victorians to plan ahead and ensure that we still had a viable civilisation in the 1930s. And while the Victorians were both successful and resourceful, history demonstrates that new sources of raw materials were never actively planned until the old sources were in desperately short supply or worked-out completely. However, the introduction of a new, nationwide power generating system is an extremely long-term investment, and if we are to make this change without a dramatic interruption to our energy supplies (and our society) we need foresight, vision and a quick decision. What we need is a tough, educated, talented, rational leader to take a difficult but responsible decision to dramatically increase our nuclear energy production capability. However, what we have in the UK is Gordon Brown!
Ralph Ellis
June 2004
1. David Derbyshire, Daily Mail 5th Feb 2008.
2 & 3 Hugh Sharman, Why wind power works in Denmark.
Could one of your highly-qualified contributors write an essay examining the possibilities of geothermal energy, please?
Apparently Nuclear Fusion is the best, as Nuclear Fission generates radioactive wastes, whilst Fusion does not. The main problem with Fusion which prevents it from becoming the next best energy source is that the reactants must be in total suspension to release maximum energy, and since levitation is currently not an option, experiments with Fusion have not released more energy out than in due to the contact between reactants and container.
OT News (but very important for the solar junkies): The Solaemon page has *finally* been updated with some great graphics regarding the evolution of the current solar cycle’s activity (SC23). http://users.telenet.be/j.janssens/Engwelcome.html
oh gee whiz. Let me see if I have this straight:
“Renewable energy will need to be reliable.”
Doh.
Hi, the CEO of Eon in the UK has made it quite clear that we will need to install extra fossil fuel powered generation equivalent to a minimum of 95% of the maximum capacity of wind turbines in the UK which will be running 100% of the time burning precious gas to cope with the extreme variability of wind powered generation but only producing electricity when the wind turbines are not. This begs the question why not just forget wind turbines and use gas anyway?
The overriding reason for having wind turbines in the first place was to avoid producing more Co2, the Danes have admitted that in the time that they have had wind turbines not one single fossil fuel power station has been closed and in order to cope with the extreme variability of wind power they have in fact produced more Co2 because they have needed to keep more fossil fuel power generation on line to avoid blowing up the grid.
In a government report they have also admitted that whilst wind turbines did generate some electricity 80% of it went to Germany and Norway at zero cost to them, given away. But I return to my main point the unique selling point for wind power was a reduction in Co2 to avoid catastrophic climate change and on this prime issue wind power is a complete and utter failure so why are we in the UK intending to spend over £400 bn (Ed Milibands website) on this daft unproven technology.
There are maybe three reasons why human will become extinct, 1, we will increase population to the extent that we will deny ourselves the habitat to sustain life, 2, our climate could get colder and a drop of 3c will be sufficient to remove all means of sustaining life (when this last occurred in Europe people were eating their children) by comparison getting a little warmer is not a challenge, 3, when oil just tips over the top and deliverable production declines by just 1% that will signify the end of our existence as we know it, your house will be worth zero, those that will survive will most likely be in Africa where they can grow and eat what they grow because in the UK we rely on 42 ton trucks running on diesel, overnight Tesco will disappear.
Forget about arguing over whether or not the planet will heat up think about how we manage being without oil because its 95% of who we are and what we enjoy. Remember every wind turbine rotor blade weighs in at 6.5 tons and its all made from oil derived product and tell me when oil runs out, bearing in mind that wind turbines have a half life of maybe ten years, less at sea where 25% of the time they are out of production due to failure or maintenance, without oil how do they get serviced and replaced? Barges and cranes to my knowledge need a little diesel!
Just to finish, precisely why we feel we deserve to survive in anycase is beyond me, we do not have domain over this planet and maybe one of the most decent things we could do is to shut down Mcdonalds and then just maybe some of the Amazon would remain intact so even if we fail to survive maybe some life inherently more attractive and less destructive might. That at least would be some legacy for decades of destruction and devotion to the immortal hamburger!
Many readers here will appreciate the story found here:
http://www.i2i.org/main/page.php?page_id=248
MSM is quite shy about discussing such things as actual costs of these systems. The article referred to above states:
There was much fanfare in the Denver Post about a windmill installed in Weld County Colorado for a school. It discussed everything except the initial cost and pay back period. Of course the author did not understand the difference between kilowatt and kilowatt-hr. One of the chief characteristics of media writers regarding science and engineering is they do not understand basics such as units of measure. This is part of problem, but then again, perhaps it makes it easier to control them when they are ignorant. I wrote a letter to the author requesting clarification on terms used and what the costs were. No response. Obviously I’m one of ‘them’, just a trouble maker not getting with the program and undermining the ‘unity’ of the country.
Trouble with making energy policy political is that the technical issues are so far beyond the pay grade of the average citizen it is not possible to have a rational discussion.
On nuclear waste, see how France has dealt with the matter:
http://www.terrestrialenergy.org/blog/
Oil is a renewable energy. If not used is spilled at sea, and by the action of microbes concludes that methane. It is a true air pollutant.
Ironically, it was Clinton/Gore that killed off the IFR project (with prejudice) immediately after its second successful demonstration of the ability to reprocess fuel, generate excess heat (for, say, breaking down water) while Not requiring of Any cooling capacity…
Fuel for 50,000 homes, for a year, would result in a thimble full of waste with a half life of 200 yr.s… once vitrified, easily disposed of into the caverness depths of the oceans… (1000 yrs. of the US Total energy needs would not noticably raise the Oceans’ ambient levels)
Thus, I blame the Demicans as much as the corruption of the Republicrats for putting the US and the rest of the industrialized nations of the world at the brink of civilization’s demise.
There is No problem facing humanity that we could not overcome with an abundant source of cheap energy. This, however, does not appear to be the goal of our leaders or rather, the few that actually direct those ‘leaders’ strings.
Paper where some of this data on wind appears to come from
http://www.glebemountaingroup.org/documents/DanishLessons.pdf
Why do we feel we have a right to survive?! Because Nature made us and nature set us in competition with every other species, just like anything else in nature is in competition for existance. A virus could wipe us out tomorrow. But with us nature created something new, a monkey that could think complex thoughts and develop complex technology and culture. And that has allowed us to lighten our footprint and reduce our damage. And the more humans are born the further we can evolve. So recently we have become advanced enough to feel for the environment consciously, something which no other species is able to do. Repeat, no species is able to consciously live a green lifestyle, except us. And yet we imagine we are the problem. We can desire more diversity, but nature’s drive is also towards more intelligence.
M White (03:04:05) :
Regarding the stampede to a green future is Wales, be aware that the largest gas powered generating station in the UK is under contruction near Pembroke Dock.
Well stated. Thank you for that summary. I am only too aware of all of the topics you mentioned, and I’m shocked that the rest of the world is not. A few observations of my own:
1. I truly believe that the majority of the citizens of the US are unaware of the complexities of power generation and dissemination. They simply believe that “green is good” and “renewable is good”, and that if Obama and his minions say it will work, it will work. I’m more afraid that Obama and his minions actually think it will work! I went to a seminar once hosted by the outgoing President of a huge power company in the SouthEast USA. He raised each one of the points you mentioned, and shot them down for the same reasons. He also came to the simple conclusion that nuclear power, done right, was the only solution for a consistent, clean, ong-term energy supply. I have come to the same conclusion.
2. I got it into my head one day to build a wind turbine in my back yard. I found some great plans on the web and began to consider how I would collect the parts. However, I sat out on my deck one evening….and realized there was no wind. For days afterwards I watched. While some days were windy (obviously), for the most part it was fairly calm. Plus the wind would start, then stop, then start…etc. I figured much of the wind power would go into just getting the turbines running again, and once they began…the wind would stop and the turbines would grind to a halt. Needless to say, I scratched that idea off of the list of honeydos.
3. In my own household, when the electricity goes out for even an hour or two…panic sets in. While manageable during the summer (more an inconvenience), it is a potentially life threatening situation in the cold of the winter. Most homes these days are not built to be warmed by the cheap fireplaces that are currently installed. Reliable, consistent energy is a necessity in todays world. Without it, there indeed will be unrest and unnecessary deaths.
Ralph,
Good discussion of the problems with renewables. However, I can’t get on board with the fission and particularly the breeder idea.
A friend of mine used to have a bumper sticker “A little nukie never hurt anyone.” Iran has been using their “right to fission power” as a cover to build a bomb, which is probably just a few months away. They have done this with the help of Russia. North Korea blew up a nuclear weapon yesterday. The EMP from one nuclear bomb could do massive damage to the infrastructure of a multi-million square mile region.
We have enough coal to last hundreds of years – plenty of time to get fusion energy everywhere. The AGW panic is driving formerly sane countries towards suicide.
@David Wells (04:50:17) :
You wrote in part: “[…} and maybe one of the most decent things we could do is to shut down Mcdonalds and then just maybe some of the Amazon would remain intact so even if we fail to survive maybe some life inherently more attractive and less destructive might. That at least would be some legacy for decades of destruction and devotion to the immortal hamburger!”
Pardon my ignorance, but I don’t get the connection between McDonalds and the destruction of the Amazon. Please explain, & thank you in advance.
P.S. What you said re just going straight to and sticking with gas; good point.
Thank you all for your comments, which I will attempt to answer.
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>>send it to every mainsteam paper in UK
>>Small point – Is the date at the bottom correct?
Yes, every media outlet has had this article on numerous occasions, to no avail as yet.
And yes, the 2004 date on the article is correct – I was well ahead of the game, I think. It is surprising that the article has not needed amending over all this time, and we are still steam-rollering towards a Green Armageddon.
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>>With regards to the Danish wind-carpet could you
>>please provide a link/source?
Here it is. This is an interesting paper, and it deserves very close and detailed reading. Clearly, the Danish experiment with wind-power has been a complete disaster, but you would never know that from Green media articles. I also hear that there have been a number of maintenance and mechanical failure issues recently with these vast offshore arrays, and it is looking like they will not last very long (or become even more hugely expensive to run).
http://www.thomastelford.com/journals/DocumentLibrary/CIEN.158.2.66.pdf
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>>It would be good to see an inclusion of Solar in
>>this exposition, if only to lay out the differences
>>that may exist, if any, as compared to Tidal or Wind
Perhaps I should. I left it out because solar plainly does not work in the UK. (A colleague has tripled his electrical usage and energy costs, because of a solar heating system that does not work 200 days a year and an overly idealistic decision to delete the original a heating system).
But if you have traveled through the Mediterranean, it is obviously a good idea for water heating requirements in these areas, and nearly every flat and house has a simple roof-top system – but do take a shower in the evening rather than the morning.
However, for electrical generation we still have the problem of storage, and there is no known system which can store the kinds of power requirements that a country needs during night hours (or, indeed, several days of overcast).
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>>interesting!
>>and the problem of nuclear waste? how to be addressed?
Due to Green pressure and protest, we seem to be happy with all this waste sitting in open ponds on the west coast of the UK. If it is perfectly acceptable to all and sundry to have high-level nuclear waste in open ponds, why do we not just bury it? It would be much safer, I am sure (except in Green logic).
The granite of Cumbria (the region with the Selafield reprocessing facility) would be quite appropriate for burial, especially if the plan included a great underground concrete bunker too.
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>>Alarmist, five years ago!
Its been a long struggle of faith vs reason. I regard this as an equivalent of the 18th century Enlightenment Era, and that battle was not won overnight either.
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>>but perhaps overly pessimistic about the availability of
>>oil in the future in the light of Steven Goddard’s post
I have a distrust of those nice symmetric graphs of oil reserves. The upslope contains all the world’s most massive oil fields, while the downslope will contain a miriad of worthless puddles. I think the downslope will be much steeper than portrayed, and thus we may well be at Peak Oil (the maximum supply that the world can extract per day – not the end of total reserves).
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>>Obviously there is a demand for ‘green’-energy. Well then
>>let people be able to sign up for ‘expensive’ power and pay
>>twice the price for their electricity.
Yes, but only if they swear never to use ANY electricity on days when no renewable power is available. ie, an overcast mid-winter anti-cyclone over the UK, when there is no solar, wind or wave energy available. As they shiver in their homes, they may hopefully rediscover the rational world.
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>>Nobody, not even the EU, has suggested that wind power
>>be the number one provider of electricity so all of the scary
>>scenarios suggested are just not applicable.
They have made a target of 40% renewables, and the main pillar of renewables is wind power (anyway, wave and solar suffer from the same shortcomings as wind). This is the proportion of unreliable energy supply that will definitely bring down entire grids.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3322590/EU-sets-UK-ambitious-green-energy-target.html
And you are greatly mistaken about so-called ‘windy sites’. There is no such thing. When the UK has a large anti-cyclone, the whole country can be effected for days or even weeks, as the data from Denmark above makes clear. Likewise the diurnal land-sea effects, which will switch off the wind like clockwork twice a day.
Take a look at the following PDF. All the wind generating sites across the UK (indeed, across Europe) are in step with one another. When one loses power, they all lose power (and 15 to 20% load factor will not run a nation). There is no such thing as a reliable wind.
http://www.ref.org.uk/Files/wind.overview.2007.(ii).pdf
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Eco Taliban
Technological Taliban
Two terms that must be bookmarked
Making renewable energy cost effective and capital efficient is vitally imporant.
Alvarez et al. show that Spain’s recent subsidy of renewable energy destroyed an average of 2.2 jobs for every “green” job created in renewable energy.
Study of the effects on employment of public aid to renewable energy sources Gabriel Calzada Alvarez, et al., Universidad Rey Juan Carlos, March 2009 draft.
The subsidy for photovoltaics destroyed 9 jobs for each renewable job created. Spain’s unemployment soared to 17.4% in 1st Quarter 2009.
Concentrating solar thermal power is the most cost effective solar energy.
BrightSource Energy has increased the net efficiency of power tower systems to 40%.
Now to bring costs down below conventional power by mass production etc.
Greenhouse issues are negligible compared with the tsunami of global peaking of light oil.
The critical issue we must urgently address is developing alternative fuels fast enough to compensate for the projected 6%/year decline in light oil exports.
See A Quantitative Assessment of Future Net Oil Exports by the Top Five Net Oil Exporters
We need to focus on TRANSPORT Energy and liquid fuels, not “energy” per se. Last year’s tripling of oil prices showed that we don’t have “30 years” till peaking. ALL oil importing countries are already in deep trouble.
I wish the article could be published in every mainstream newspaper. One of the more chuckle headed state legislators in Minnesota owns several acres of pristine rural property near the border with Wisconsin. She and her husband erected a wind turbine on their property (construction costs: tax deductible) and use it to power their small hobby farm. The state permits them to sell surplus power at retail rates to the utility company, which is obligated to buy them. On the basis of these subsidized activities, the legislator has written she doesn’t understand why we don’t just power the entire state with wind power. As I said, her scientific understanding is at a fourth grade level. Perhaps she might one day read a paper such as this which will explode her fantasy balloon.
Chernobyl made a huge mess and put millions of people at risk. Imagine if the wind had of been blowing across Germany towards London that day.
http://cerea.enpc.fr/polyphemus/applications/chernobyl_cs137-0325.png
Consider the devastation of a Polonium-210 dirty bomb. Remember Alexander Litvinenko?
David Mills shows that distributed solar energy can match the distributed load on the average.
A solar-powered economy: How solar thermal can replace coal, gas and oil
This reduces the level of energy storage required.
“this sublime day-dream…” This “day-dreaming” is a behaviour of pseudo-gods thinking the welfare of people but it never works that way, it does not matter how good intentions our beloving masters have, “way to hell is paved with good intentions”.
We have about 30 or so years before the shortage of oil
Absolutely wrong!. As long as we, organic beings, exist on earth there will be organic matter dying, decomposing, forming hydrocarbons. In the imaginary and fantastic case that this would not be the case then we can synthesize oil from carbon, as germans did in WWII.
This is like a never-ending-story nightmare that drives an engineer crazy. Our acquiescence to environmentalist-engineering can be said to have created the environmental problems that are now being raged about. The same crowd blocked nuclear energy back in the 70s or we would have little manmade CO2, mercury, sulphur, etc in the atmosphere. The long and short of it is, in terms of today’s arithmetic, Ralph is right, it is either nuclear or coal and in the latter, more and more we are hearing about CO2 sequestration.
Am I the only one who is terrified of the sequestration idea. Let’s look at some rough arithetic. CO2 “weighs” 2kg/m cubed and emissions from coal annually are somewhere near 20B mtpy (or soon will be), equivalent to 10 trillion cubic metres at STP per year. World reserves of natural gas are about 140 trillion cubic metres, so we will be putting out CO2 essentially for coal only, at the volume of the earth’s natural gas reserves every 15 years (and climbing). Now imagine pumping this amount into underground storage (lets not visit the problem of finding sufficient storage for such volumes) under high pressure and we will be building potentially some of the world’s biggest disasters for the future.
Accidents are apart of every manner of human indeavour. The very people who will be assuring us that it can be done safely are the ones who designed openings in coal mines that have collapsed, or oil and natural gas wells that have blown out of control and caught fire or unsinkable ships. With CO2, the accident could be spectacular or it could quietly leak out and fill a valley killing every living thing that isn’t a plant. It could push ground water, salt water, petroleum, natural gas, hydrogen sulphide out through fractures, leak into mines, basements, subways…. And who would be to blame? This would be another unhappy consequence of letting environmental extremists plan our futures for us. The electrical generating industry should either go ahead and weather the shrieking and sign waving and follow the only realistic options we have, or shut it down for a month until things quieten down
1. Extract – (Which makes it odd that the UK government have just sold Westinghouse to Toshiba of Japan, just as orders for new power stations are about to be signed.)
2. From comment – why are we in the UK intending to spend over £400 bn (Ed Milibands website) on this daft unproven technology.
We in the UK have already seen the extent of outrageous venality displayed by our Political masters, so it could not be considered unreasonable to monitor the Directorships of companies exploiting the above technologies and the carbon trading scam to discover whether any of the present incumbents in Parliament appear either on their boards or as advisors, as a reward for their duplicitous antisocial behaviour.
Fusion power, as it is being currently developed, produces a lot of radiation just like fission reactions do since an extra neutron is released in the reaction.
They are using tritium (H-3 neutrons) and dueterium (H-2 neutrons) which results in a extra neutron being released when they combine to make He4.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Deuterium-tritium_fusion.svg/260px-Deuterium-tritium_fusion.svg.png
It is very difficult to fuse normal Hydrogen (H-0 neutrons) unless you have the conditions inside a star or a fusion bomb. Inside a star, 4 Hydrogen atoms fuse to make He4 (with two of the protons changing into neutrons after the release of positrons and neutrinos).
The containment vessels for nuclear fusion will be extremely radioactive for a very long time but, I guess, the appropriate neutron-absorbing shielding will prevent the radiation from getting outside the containment or limiting the end-result radioactivity.