Edmonton Canada bests March 10th record low by -12 degrees, columnist questions climate situation

UPDATE: The author’s (Lorne Gunter) claim of breaking the all time March record by -12 degrees is only partially correct. The phrase “smashing the previous March low” should have read “smashing the previous March 10th low”. Mr. Gunter erred in his statement.

The official all time March record Tmin occurred in 2003 and was -42.2°C details here from Environment Canada  (Thanks to reader K Stricker for the link).

UPDATE#2: 3/18 I’ve sent off a note to Mr. Gunter on the error in the article, and I’m hoping that he will post a correction to the wording in his article below. I have not yet heard back from him and I’m trying an alternate contact route via another person known to have corresponded with him. Gunter’s mistake is that he claims a new low temperature record for the entire Month of March, when it is only for a single day, March 10th. While I can’t correct the text in Mr. Gunter’s article until he makes a correction himself (since I won’t modify another authors words) reader should take note that the claims made in the article are not supported by the actual data. While I agree that “global warming” has indeed stalled in the last few years, the claim of the all time March low for Edmonton is incorrect.  – Anthony

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Global warming’s no longer happening

So why are eco types moaning about record highs while ignoring record lows?

By Lorne Gunter, The Edmonton Journal

So far this month, at least 14 major weather stations in Alberta have recorded their lowest-ever March temperatures. I’m not talking about daily records; I mean they’ve recorded the lowest temperatures they’ve ever seen in the entire month of March since temperatures began being recorded in Alberta in the 1880s.

This past Tuesday, Edmonton International Airport reported an overnight low of -41.5 C, smashing the previous March low of -29.4 C set in 1975. Records just don’t fall by that much, but the airport’s did. Records are usually broken fractions of degrees. The International’s was exceeded by 12 degrees.

To give you an example of how huge is the difference between the old record and the new, if Edmonton were to exceed its highest-ever summer temperature by the same amount, the high here some July day would have to reach 50 C. That’s a Saudi Arabia-like temperature.

Also on the same day, Lloydminster hit -35.2 C, breaking its old March record of -29.2 C. Fort McMurray — where they know cold — broke a record set in 1950 with a reading of -39.9C. And Cold Lake, Slave Lake, Whitecourt, Peace River, High Level, Jasper and Banff, and a handful of other communities obliterated old cold values, most from the 1950s or 1970s, two of the coldest decades on record in the province.

This has been an especially cold winter across the country, with values returning to levels not often seen since the 1970s, which was an especially brutal decade of winters.

Temperatures began to plummet on the Prairies in December. The cold weather did not hit much of the rest of the country until January, but when it hit, it hit hard. Even against Canada’s normally frigid January standards, “this particular cold snap is noteworthy,” Environment Canada meteorologist Geoff Coulson said this past January. Many regions across the country had not been as cold for 30 years or more, he added.

Does this prove fear of global warming is misplaced? On its own, probably not. But if records were being broken the other way — if several Alberta centres had recorded their warmest-ever March values — you can bet there would be no end of hand-wringing, horror stories about how we were on the precipice of an ecological disaster of unprecedented proportions.

Environmentalists, scientists who advance the warming theory, politicians and reporters never shy away from hyping those weather stories that support their beliefs. But they tend to ignore or explain away stories that might cast doubt.

In 2005, the summer and fall of hurricanes Katrina and Rita, when several major ‘canes pummelled North and Central America, we were told again and again that this was proof warming was happening and it was going to be bad. Al Gore has emissions from industrial smokestacks swirling up into a satellite image of a hurricane on the DVD box for his propaganda film An Inconvenient Truth to underline the point that more and eviller hurricanes will be the result of CO2 output.

But since 2005, only one major hurricane — this year’s Ike — has struck North America. And now comes a study from Florida State University researcher Ryan Maue, that shows worldwide cyclonic activity — typhoons, as well as hurricanes — has reached a 30-year low (tinyurl.com/bunynz).

Indeed, the hiatus may go back more than 30 years because it is difficult to compare records before about 1970 with those since, since measurements four or more decades ago were not as precise or thorough. Current low activity may actually be the lowest in 50 years or more.

If Maue had proven hurricane activity were at a 30-year high, of course his findings would have been reported far and wide. But since he is challenging the dogma of the Holy Mother Church of Climate Change, his research is ignored.

For at least the past five or six years, global temperatures have been falling. Look at the black trend line on the chart at www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/ put out by the man who runs NASA’s worldwide network of weather satellites.

Also, in the past few months, two studies — one by the Leibniz Institute of Marine Science and the Max Planck Institute of Meteorology in Germany and another by the University of Wisconsin — have shown a slowing, or even a reversal of warming for at least the next 10 to 20, and perhaps longer.

Even the Arctic sea ice, which has replaced hurricanes as the alarm of the moment ever since hurricanes ceased to threaten, has grown this winter to an extent not seen since around 1980.

Global warming is not only no longer happening, it is not likely to resume until 2025 or later, if then. So why are we continuing to hear so much doomsaying about climate change?

There are a lot of people in every age who think they know better than everyone else and, therefore, have a right to tell everyone how to live. In the 1950s, it was country-club and parish council busybodies with their strict moral codes. In the 1970s, it was social democrats with their fanciful economic theories. Today, it’s environmentalists.

Same instinct, different wrapper.

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zen

Don’t you get it? Global warming causes everything that happens. It’s why my garbage can was blown over today.

Graeme Rodaughan

Global warming is not only no longer happening, it is not likely to resume until 2025 or later, if then. So why are we continuing to hear so much doomsaying about climate change?
[1] Expectation of dominion over other human beings – Lust for Power.
[2] Expectation of continued funding for AGW “Science” – Addiction to the AGW Gravy Train.
[3] Validation of long held beliefs in the face of contrary evidence – Cognitive Dissonance is Painful.
[4] Because – otherwise they would have to admit being wrong, duped and lied too – Avoidance of Public Shame.
[5] Expectation of “Green” profits from taxpayer funded Government subsidies – Ruthless Greed.
[6] It’s too much fun to stop – Psychopathic Fantasy Wish Fulfillment.
[7] What else would I write? – News Reporter Deadline Anxiety and Fear of Writer’s Block.
[8] Because I would no longer be “Saving the Planet from Evil Humans”. – Self Righteous need for Validation of Personal Meaning in the face of a Meaningless Universe.
[9] Addiction to flying Business Class to International Conferences in Bali, Copenhagen, etc… – Addiction to Free Lunches
Plus some others that I haven’t thought of yet…

Wolfie Rankin

…Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, in Victoria, Australia, we had “black friday” this February which shot us into the hottest day we’ve ever had, and due to the terrible dry, as it almost never rains here anymore, we had the worst fires and deaths imaginable. The temperature reached 46 celcius or 115 farenheit. Remember that the world doesn’t end at the US border.
Wolfie!
REPLY: The story was about Edmonton, Canada, well beyond the US border. – Anthony

CodeTech

Yes, this March in Alberta has been more like a January. That same night we got to -27C, which is stupidly cold. We have piles of snow around several feet deep, which is EXTREMELY unusual for Calgary in March. Usually it melts through the winter due to chinooks.
I’m not going to say this has been the worst winter in memory for this area, that still goes to 95-96 by my reckoning. But once the cold hit it was here with a vengeance. From December 13 until still we’ve had significant snow on the ground, which IS unusual. Our side roads are still rutted ice nightmares, and the slightest warmth during the day gets just enough melted that the main roads are like a sea of mud. It’s impossible to keep the car clean.
This is all good, though, it DOES make it very difficult for people to believe that warming is a problem.

P Folkens

We really need to see the global temps in the HadCRUT, UAH, RSS, and even GISS data sets show a dramatic cooling, otherwise these cold weather event will not get significant traction. A diversion with the GISS data set running anomalously warm against the others cooling would have a particularly strong impact on the debate by raising important questions about Hansen’s work.

Allan M R MacRae

Hundreds of billions have been already wasted trying to fight global warming.
The recent warming trend that Earth has experienced is largely natural, as is the new cooling trend that could last up to ~30 years.
There are sad consequences of this huge misallocation of scarce global resources to fight a myth – catastrophic humanmade global warming simply does not exist.
What used to exist were about twenty million children age 5 and less, who died in recent decades due to lack of clean drinking water. For no more money than was wasted on the phony war against global warming, clean drinking water and sanitation facilities could have been installed and millions of kids saved.
That is just one cost of badly misplaced priorities.
Regards, Allan

Bruce

There is another piece of information, not mentioned by Mr Gunter, but likely of interest to many readers of this blog.
But first a side comment off topic. I was sitting in an aircraft, trying to leave Edmonton International, at the exact time the -43C reading occurred. The pilots wanted de-icing fluid on the aircraft. First they explained it was taking a long time because the de-icing truck on the port side had frozen up. Then they said it was taking a longer time because the truck on the starboard side had frozen up. Kind of like that old joke “I hope that last engine doesn’t quit, or we will be up here forever …”.
The interesting data point? Record lows all around Edmonton. -43C at Edmonton International. Low temp that day (or two days, given the 6 a.m. definition of the start of a day at Edmonton City Centre Airport? -33C.
Cheers – I went to Winnipeg.

Steven Goddard

Wolfie,
Interesting that a country “where it never rains anymore” is not shown as having a drought by the Australian Bureau of Meteorology.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/rain_maps.cgi?map=contours&variable=drought&area=aus&period=3month&region=aus&time=latest

Allan M R MacRae

reply to Wolfie Rankin (22:22:10) :
…Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, in Victoria, Australia, we had “black friday” this February which shot us into the hottest day we’ve ever had, and due to the terrible dry, as it almost never rains here anymore, we had the worst fires and deaths imaginable. The temperature reached 46 celcius or 115 farenheit. Remember that the world doesn’t end at the US border.
Gunter’s point, Wolfie, is we all heard about the record heat in Oz – it was splashed all over the world’s newspapers, even before your tragic fires.
But nobody told the world about breaking record cold temperatures by 12 degrees C in freezing Alberta.
Record heat is news, record cold is not.
Such is the dominance of warmist nonsense propaganda in global media.

Manfred

Wolfie
the melbourne data came from this weather station in the middle of one of the busiest street in australia.
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&q=melbourne%20la%20trobe%202&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
with a well documented urban heat island:
http://mclean.ch/climate/Melbourne_UHI.htm
neither january nor february were particularly warm averaged over all australia
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/temp_maps.cgi?variable=maxanom&area=nat&period=month&time=history&steps=1
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/temp_maps.cgi?variable=maxanom&area=nat&period=month&time=latest
…so this was just weather
… combined with the deadly green politics of not clearing bushes and forests.
breaking the records by small amounts is not really remarkable, it happens every day somewhere.
and after 30 years, ocean currents around australia are now in their cold mode
http://mclean.ch/climate/docs/Aust_temps_alt_view.pdf

EricH

I guess all that money spent trying to correct AGW so far is having an effect; or so their propaganda will claim. Just how cold do they want it to get before they will be happy?

deadwood

The US administration has now re-activated its campaign machine in order to help pass its new budget. This budget relies on Cap & Trade raising over $600 Billion to fund the president’s new programs.
The Obama machine was very successful last year and may again be able to mobilize for this issue. It is likely the last chance that AGW legislation will have if we are in for 20-30 years of cooling, but it is not yet too late.
Once passed, it may take a generation to remove and by then, who knows, we could be back to another warming spell.

Pat

“…Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, in Victoria, Australia, we had “black friday” this February which shot us into the hottest day we’ve ever had, and due to the terrible dry, as it almost never rains here anymore, we had the worst fires and deaths imaginable. The temperature reached 46 celcius or 115 farenheit. Remember that the world doesn’t end at the US border.
Wolfie!”
And then there’s the truth…
“Melbourne reached 46.4 degrees on Saturday, the highest in 154 years of record-keeping, overshooting the previous high set on Black Friday – January 13, 1939 – by 0.8 degrees and far exceeding the temperature on Ash Wednesday in 1983, which was 43.2 degrees.”
To me, 154 years of record keeping isn’t an indication of not *ever* happening before.
And…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oodnadatta,_South_Australia
Cheers.

rip warming

That is simply weather…
Actually it is a sign of climate change…
blah blah blah

But, Wolfie, it’s a dry heat.
Also note that your location is significantly closer (47 deg S) to the Equator than Alberta (51 deg north). I’ll also note that Melbourne never has winter temperatures anywhere close to those normal for Alberta (http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Melbourne-shivers-on-coldest-day-of-year/2007/06/14/1181414415719.html) yet still had a record low in 2007…. Melbourne also rarely even has snowfall.
So, for Melbournes temps to match in warming what Alberta saw in cooling, you folks would need to have a summer high of 65 C.

Kmye

Is the breaking of a month-long temperature record by 12 degrees C setting off any cautionary warning bells in anyone else’s head? As the author says himself: “Records just don’t fall by that much…” I guess we have anecdotal evidence in this thread from Bruce, but could it be possible there’s some explanation for the extremity of the record in the weather station hardware or some other kind of error? Bruce says other there were record lows at other nearby stations, but were they by at all the same the magnitude?
Cheers,
K

Jim B in Canada

Just reporting in from Edmonton, it’s snowing again right now. If you like Anthony I can email you some pictures, but to be honest I haven’t seen this much snow since I was a little kid in the 70’s.

Norm in the Hawkesbury

Thank goodness I said ‘No!’ in the 60s when I was invited to emigrate to Canada!
Waaaarrrrmmmm down under, oooooo comfy!
On the other hand if it hadn’t been for the UHI the temps could have been cooler and maybe more records could have fallen 😎

Ozzie John

Wolfie,
I also live in OZ and I’m always interested in hearing the record extreme stories from all parts of the globe. The world is a balanced ecosystem and the record cold from Alberta could be seen as balanced with record heat from down here.
Interestingly,
The February UAH temperatures show a near normal anomoly (from the 30 year average) for the Souther Hemisphere. Sydney had a normal February average of 26 degrees and Hobart was slightly below average with 21.1 deg. Melbourne, located in the middle had an average maximum of 28.1 deg. which is 2.3 degrees above the 30 year average of 25.1. The current average March max. temp in Melbourne is 23.4 deg, -0.4 below average.
Last August was Sydney’s coldest in 40 years. I was forced to dig out the GORE-tex jacket… !

Philip_B

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, in Victoria, Australia, … due to the terrible dry, as it almost never rains here anymore
Rubbish! More than 80% of Australia has had average to above average rainfall over the last 12 months.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/rain_maps.cgi?map=contours&variable=anomaly&area=aus&period=12month&region=aus&time=latest
The only area that is well below average is in the far south east of Australia, which is a fairly wet area with annual rainfall around 1,000 mm. Which means it rains more there than say London England.
To say’ ‘almost never rains here’ is ridiculous. I happen to know most of Victoria had torrential rain a couple of days ago.

F Rasmin

Mr Wolfie. As a long time resident of Brisbane, I wish it was true’… almost never rains here anymore’. I have much better things to do this summer than cut my long grass every two weeks due to this’..almost never rains here anymore’ coming every few days.By the way, I am Typing this quickly before the huge lightning storm knocks out the electricity. Funny how our local dams are now over 42% from 19% last year.

Roger Knights

There’s a typo in the lead-in news story. There should be “years” at the end of “for at least the next 10 to 20,”

Ian Cooper

Wolfie
you need to get out and about a bit more, i.e. read a bit more than main stream media dribble. Then again according to you perhaps that is the only way you can get any moisture in your neck of the bush.
Try this link from William Kininmonth, former head of Australia’s national Climate Centre.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/anatomy-of-a-firestorm-20090225-8hvi.html?page=-1
Here is an excerpt:
It is fashionable to promote climate change as being a contributor to changing fire frequency and intensity. The pattern of rainfall over the past century does not point to a trend of reduction in rainfall. Nor has any link been offered between global temperature trends and the meteorology of Victorian heatwaves. Extreme bushfire events are rare events and must be analysed according to the statistics relating to rare events; the breaking of a previous temperature record established 70 years earlier does not establish an underlying trend.
You were saying?

Rhys Jaggar

Interesting the comments about canada having had snow on the ground since December.
Very similar things could be written about parts of Switzerland. This season I’ve been looking at the webcam for Wengen (www.wengen.com will have a copy) and the classic glaciated Lauterbrunnen valley a lot as I ski there and the observations are strikingly different to previous years.
Lauterbrunnen is an interesting point to study as it is:
i. Relatively low.
ii. In a very steep sided U-shaped valley.
iii. Lacking in direct sunlight in deep winter due to 4000m peaks blocking out the sun.
As a result, if it snows early and it remains cold, the snow stays a long time. If it gets warm the snow melts relatively rapidly.
This year, the snow is still there in mid March after arriving in early December. That hasn’t happened since 1990 when I first went there. It may just have got close to melting due to a hot weekend…..
It’s just one year.
But the signs are that ‘traditional’ winters may be coming back. Heavy, early snowfall and more traditional coldness.
This will necessitate a comparison between the last ‘traditional’ spell and this one. The ‘warm’ spell should be compared with past or future ‘warm’ spells.
That will give us better indications of trends, me thinks…..

Ian Cooper

Mike Lorrey
It is even worse than you thought. Melbourne is at 37 degrees South, not 47! 47 degrees south is the bottom of the South Island of New Zealand, and central Patagonia in South America, but not much else.
We New Zealanders don’t know what real cold is either. Our minimum of -21.3 C occurred in 1991 in the South Island, while Rangiora near Christchurch, also in the S.I., holds the top mark of +42.3 C on Feb 7th, 1973. A third of century and no hotter!!!

Epaminondas

One of the problems in seeking a rational debate about complex matters is that they are trivialised by labels. The overall effect of ‘global warming’, the reason for its simplistic name, is an observed overall increase in the world’s average temperature. A simple cold snap in one area does not invalidate the argument that climates are changing, and generally becoming warmer.
The simple and undeniable fact that the world’s average temperature is increasing does not rule out the possibility of a reverse in local situations. For example, at any time now, a giant ocean current that starts in the Bering Straits might stop, because warming around the strait betweren Alaska and Siberia has reduced the amount of sea ice formed. The current is kicked off by cold brine, descending into the ocean at the top of the Pacific as freshwater ice forms on the surface.
This current, known as ‘The Conveyor’, runs down, around Cape Horn and up into the Atlantic, and it drives the Gulf Stream. If the Gulf Stream stops, a large part of north-western Europe could be subject to sea ice and even be frozen in, each winter, because of global warming. I say it again: global warming can cause places to freeze over that have not frozen in historic times.
It hasn’t happened yet. At the same time, it looks as though southern Australia could become more drought-prone, even as northern parts get higher rainfall in the next half-century. There will be floods in the south, maybe even droughts in the north, but the overall effect will be soggy tropics and dry temperate regions.
Weather patterns settle into sort-of stable forms, but if you kick the weather, jolt the weather from its track, don’t expect it to bounce back when you stop kicking. It will be on a new track.
The seas are getting warmer, they are getting more saturated in CO2 and so more acidic, we are approaching a situation where calcium carbonate exoskeletons (shells) are less and less able to stay solid. That means we may see the breakdown and collapse of Australia’s Great Barrier Reef. If that happens, much of Australia’s north-east coast will be battered by ocean waves generated by the cyclones (the equivalent of hurricanes) that are expected to increase in numbers and size.
There has been no sea ice between the island of Saaremaa and the Estonian coast in 15 years, the most recent northern winter was the first time in 15 years that the canals of Amsterdam froze over. If ‘The Conveyor’ stops, because of global warming, the moose of Saaremaa will be able to spread all over Europe.
Predicting the actual results is close to impossible, so saying “oh this prediction didn’t happen in Double-Dubuque last Tuesday” is not an argument. It is cherry-picking the data to come up with a scenario that suits one’s share portfolio or political weltanschauung (take that as ‘word view’ if you wish). It is a facile and simplistic failed attempt at obfuscation by somebody who knows squat.
Weather patterns are changing and climate is changing, all over the world. All we can really say in the way of prediction is that the vast majority of the foreseeable futures look very, very nasty, and no amount of waffle will change that.
Face it: just because you watch the Weather Channel, that doesn’t mean you’re a meteorologist. I’m not an expert either, but I pay attention to what the research says, as opposed to what the self-seeking grand-standers say.

Arnost

Wolfie!
“…Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, in Victoria, Australia, we had “black friday” this February which shot us into the hottest day we’ve ever had, and due to the terrible dry, as it almost never rains here anymore, we had the worst fires and deaths imaginable. The temperature reached 46 celcius or 115 farenheit. Remember that the world doesn’t end at the US border. …”
First, it was “Black Saturday” not “black Friday”…:)
And second… there’s a painting in the State Library of Victoria called “Black Thursday”
http://www.chig.asn.au/black_thursday_bushfires_1851.htm
I acknowledge that “official” records don’t extend as far back as 1851, however, the conditions then were as bad if not worse than on Black Saturday. In the following piece – which extracts newspaper clippings from that time – it is suggested that temperatures reached 117 Fahrenheit in the shade, and 129F in the open… (10Mb pdf)
http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/artpam/0/3/8/pdf/ar0380.pdf
I quote:
“At 12 o’clock the thermometer of Fahrenheit was 110 in the shade, and 129 in the sun at the shop of Brentani, a jeweller in Collins-Street; at 11 o’clock at another place it was 117 in the shade; at 1 fell to 109; but at 4pm went to 113.” (p13-14)
There has been debate on some sites as to whether this temp is valid, as it seemed to drop from this high at 11am and climbed again later in the afternoon. To forestall this, it must be remembered that the albedo of the smoke and ashes in the sky which were so thick that:
“This darkness, according to the accounts which we have received of it, began to be perceived about one o’clock in the afternoon, and gradually increased until it became so intense as to hide from sight even the nearest objects” (p18)
And some other accounts:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/fire1851.html
Whether Black Saturday was worse that Black Thursday will remain a matter of conjecture – however, the conditions were about equivalent but happened 150 years ago in a climate not subject to GHG warming. The Edmonton -ve departure happened in a climate subject to GHG warming, and thus is oh so much more noteworthy.
cheers
Arnost

Roger Knights

OT (but posted here because there’s no pinned OT thread to dump it into). The latest alarmism courtesy of Bloomberg, quoting a paper in Nature Geoscience today:
New York Flood Risk to Grow as Weaker Currents Raise Sea Level
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=akmdd2ozsTpg&refer=home

rtgr

acoording to NOAA feb 2009
9th warmest feb ever ?!
whattsupwiththat?
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090313_february.html

realitycheck

Re: Graeme Rodaughan (22:15:40) :
Well said – strongly agree with your bullet points.
Breaking the previous record by this much is damn impressive – particularly for somewhere that is normally so c…o…l…d this time of year. Is it just me, or has the past Winter seen many such anomalous events? From the cold in Alaska late Fall ’08 to the white Canadian Christmas, the record cold in the northern U.S., the Great Lakes frozen, ships stuck in ice near Newfoundland, anomalous cold in Europe and even Northeast Asia.
In isolation, each of these events could be called weather, but in unison I think you have to call it a “ehhmmm” Climate Change? Now lets take a look at the possible causes – CO2? well that has continued to rise steadily as it has done since the early 1900’s, meanwhile the Sun is anomalously quiet, the PDO has switched into a negative Phase when we also have La Nina in the Pacific and the AMO in the Atlantic has switched negative.
But no, it must be the CO2.
Please…

Briso
Robert Bateman

“Efforts to stabilise carbon dioxide and temperature are no better than planetary alternative medicine,” he wrote.
It is perhaps telling that more than a dozen scientists interviewed could only say that they hoped Lovelock was wrong.
None could say – based on the science – that they knew he was wrong.
I have a suggestion for those scientists: Instead of blowing money going to a hellish nightmare of a convention discussing Earth’s impendingly doomed demise, get off your duffs and get out into the real world and gather the evidence to prove his fatal attraction wrong.
Failing that, take the poor fellow out and and get him totally sloshed.

Parse Error

I’m getting really tired of people getting weather confused with climate, so let’s make sure everyone understands:
When it is cold, or there are less frequent and/or less powerful storms, this is what is technically known as weather.
When it is warm or hot, or there are more frequent and/or more powerful storms, that is what is technically known as climate.

Robert Bateman

Now I have something to be thankful for: I don’t have to travel in shaky airplanes halfway around the world to listen to tales of utter despair.

John Goulton

John Goulton from Saratoga (the one in Oz),
I am 66 and remember as a teenager wearing a Duffel coat that weighed more than I did also warm jumpers and jackets, today I don’t even own a rain coat let alone a jumper.
My car a little Renault 750 had a heater, primitive but good, I used it a lot, I have never used the heater in my present vehicle, the demister sometimes.
In those days a few blankets on the bed were the norm, not now, and no I don’t own an electric blanket.
I rest my case your honour.

Ceolfrith

Second attempt
EricH
I was thinking the same thing, perhaps we should start a counter-group.
STOP CLIMATE CONTROL BEFORE THEY FREEZE US ALL TO DEATH!
😉

Paul S

Wolfie Rankin (22:22:10) :
…Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, in Victoria, Australia, we had “black friday” this February which shot us into the hottest day we’ve ever had, and due to the terrible dry, as it almost never rains here anymore, we had the worst fires and deaths imaginable. The temperature reached 46 celcius or 115 farenheit.

That one off event is known as weather, not climate. The 8 years of static to cooling temperatures, resulting in broken cooling records is climatic.

I lived it … Edmonton Area. I was only too happy to see the PDO cold and Arctic outflows over Vancouver, my mother liked the unusual winter weather over Christmas, still mild for her. With the Hurricane data indicating the AMO has gone cold as well, I look forward to sharing with my friends in Toronto next winter. From the looks of the Sun we can share in the wonders of the Great White North for a few decades … from sea to sea to ARCTIC!
Southern Hemisphere … Antarctica is off to another nice start 😉

Jack Simmons

Allan M R MacRae (22:30:49) :

There are sad consequences of this huge misallocation of scarce global resources to fight a myth – catastrophic humanmade global warming simply does not exist.
What used to exist were about twenty million children age 5 and less, who died in recent decades due to lack of clean drinking water. For no more money that was wasted on the phony war against global warming, clean drinking water and sanitation facilities could have been installed and millions of kids saved.
That is just one cost of badly misplaced priorities.

That really sums up the moral issues for us today, does it not?
AGW proponents claim skeptics don’t care for their grandchildren, future generations, etc. when their proposals are rejected. Yet, they will sit on their hands regarding simple solutions benefiting millions of children living today.
The attraction of working on climate issues is it can be done in the comfort of one’s home or office, with a cup of Starbucks on the side. Providing clean drinking water for the world’s truly poor and disadvantaged would require living with those truly poor and disadvantaged. This would include exposure to the very real health risks of those living in a society with non-existent energy sources.
My granddaughter is incensed at the notion a child in Africa can contract malaria when not provided with a mosquito net costing less than a dollar.
Why can’t we spend some of these billions wasted on computer models for some mosquito nets?
Thank you very much for highlighting the real moral issues regarding this nonsense on global warming.

P

Even the Arctic sea ice, which has replaced hurricanes as the alarm of the moment ever since hurricanes ceased to threaten, has grown this winter to an extent not seen since around 1980.

That is not what the graph on the sidebar of this website shows.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent.png
Sea ice has grown this winter to an extent not seen since a couple of years ago.

I hear that they’re about to name large parts of Queensland an inland sea and have done with it.
The fires in Victoria were not the result of climate change of whatever kind. The problem was about two months of nil rainfall and then several dry lightning strikes (and an arsonist) combined with an insane green-inspired policy of not back-burning the bush and not allowing trees to be cleared to provide decent firebreaks. Even the Aborigines used to set fire to the forest every seven years to prevent the accumulated branches and strip bark creating the conditions for an appalling disaster.
Two hundred men, women and children died in the inferno that ripped through the countryside at the speed of a car on the freeway. They couldn’t have run fast enough if they’d tried (and many did try and failed).
Forest fires are an entirely natural phenomenon in Australia and the Eucalyptus trees have evolved to use fire in order to reproduce and control competition for sunlight and soil.
What is unnatural is the desire of some people to ensure that no proper management is done to the forest to prevent the kind of human catastrophe that struck the State of Victoria earlier this year.

VG

hey Wolfie Rankin…. hot in Sth Australia ect, cold in canada means nothing. The point here is only that there aint no changes due to AGW/CO2… but maybe if you read this
http://climatesci.org/2009/03/13/a-excellent-seminar-at-the-university-of-colorado-at-boulder-what-goes-around-comes-around-by-gregory-r-carmichael/
more in line with reality… there is possibly an effect but its local, and due to soot, pollution and land changes… so here we are possibly in agreement.

Clive

Good one Lorne! Thanks. (Thanks for posting Anthony.)
Southern Alberta from Nov to Feb was “average” (1970-2000) but that was mostly because of a warm November. Since 1986, mean annual temperatures where I live (500 km S of Mr. Gunter) have declined slightly …warmer winters (thank God) and cooler summers…on ‘average.’
Everyone around here is complaining about the winter from hell, but THIS is what the warmers want for us. Bloody nonsense. Massive heating costs and bad roads…no thanks. Hard on wildlife..hard on people.
For much of the Northern Hemisphere, warmer is better by FAR!
And from San Francisco:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/Examiner-Editorial-Cap-and-trade-is-Obamas-economic-dagger-41235777.html
Well done Lorne! Thanks.
Clive
Coaldale, Alberta

Aron

Lovelock commands respect because he understood decades before his peers that Earth behaves as a single, self-regulating system composed of physical, chemical and biological components, a concept he dubbed the Gaia principle.
Gaia theory contradicts Darwinian’s theory of evolution. Instead of a single self-regulation system, instead we see a planet where all the life-forms are in competition with one another and their struggle for survival has caused them to adapt, evolve and take on the forms that they currently have. Therefore all the biological components are not self-regulating but instead have always been fighting a very slow and mostly unregulated war against each other and the planet with often unpredictable effects such as extinction.
Human evolution and civilisation has finally allowed the fruition of self-regulation. We now (or will have soon) have the power to control many aspects of nature with advanced technologies. If we want more biodiversity we can create it. If we want life-forms that can’t contract cancer we can do it. If we want crop that is higher in nutritional value we can make that. If we want to stop intensive rearing of livestock and replace it with a nutritious tailored meat grown entirely in a lab then we could do that too.
And long into the future we could live for as long as we wish to live, or replace ourselves with a new human species that will be capable of things that we Homo Sapiens can’t do.
There will come a time when life on Earth will no longer be sustainable for natural reasons. The planet could be hit by an unstoppable object or very powerful gamma rays. A volcanic eruption could block sunlight for a few centuries. The sun could go into an unpredictable state of long hibernation or suddenly flare up with catastrophic results for all biological life. If we have not conquered the natural world by then and replaced ourselves with a higher life-form capable of being independent of a single ecosphere, then it will have been millions of years of evolution and hard work for nothing.

James

Mike Lorrie, for the record Melbourne’s latitude is 38′ South, not 47′. I live in Geelong, which is south of Melbourne and the temperature here was 47 Celsius on that terrible day in January. I can assure you there wasn’t any urban heat island effect – it was really that hot. Having said that I agree with most posts that it was simply a weather event in a seasonally hot part of the world, and not reflective of climate change. Many of my fellow Victorians would disagree.

Nick Yates

Wolfie,
I live in Melbourne and while we did have 4 stupidly hot days this summer, I would say overall it’s been nothing to write home about as far as heat goes. I would also says it’s been much more cloudy than last year, although I don’t have any offcial data to support this. At the moment it is very cold again following all the rain we had at the weekend. Coming originally from England, it all seems rather too familiar 🙂
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/chilliest-nights-since-spring/11487

Gerard

Responding to Wolfie Rankin – I also live in Victoria and was out fighting fires as a volunteer on Black Saturday 2009 and it was hot but I must say he needs only to look at the records of 1851 for a precedent. (No AGW back then)
THE WEATHER. ( from the Melbourne “Argus” Newspaper Feb. 8.1851 )
” Thursday was one of the most oppresive hot-days we have experienced for some years.
In the early morning the atmosphere was perfectly scorching, and at eleven o’clock the thermometer stood as high as 117 degrees ( 47.2 Celsius ) in the shade; at one o’clock it had fallen to 109 degrees and at four in the afternoon was up to 113 degrees.( 45 Celsius )
The blasts of air were so impregnated with smoke and heat, that the lungs seemed absolutely to collapse under their withering influence; the murkiness of the atmosphere was so great that the roads were actually bright by contrast.
The usual unpleasantness of hot wind was considerably aggravated by the existence of extensive bush fires to the northward, said by some to have an extent of 40 or 50 miles.
In the evening, after an hour’s battle for the supremacy, the cool breeze came down, sweeping away the pestilential exhalation of the day, and bringing in its train a light and refreshing rain; for a considerable time yesterday, the parched earth greedily absorbed it as it fell, but a day’s continuance of such very seasonable weather will do no more than cool the surface.-Argus. Feb. 8. ( 1851 ) ”
Who can say how many days in the past were like this before white settlement began in Victoria in 1835. Hot days are not new in Victoria and nor are bushfires – stop blaming global warming and recognise we live in one of the most bushfire prone areas of the world and there are more of us now therefore unfortunately and sadly casualties will be higher.

Roger Knights

OT: Here’s a link to a story from Today’s Seattle Times, “Lawmakers thwart [Governor] Gregoire’s cap-and-trade plan on climate: Crumbling economy makes it tough for environmentalists”:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008865324_capandtrade16m.html

Boris

“Even the Arctic sea ice, which has replaced hurricanes as the alarm of the moment ever since hurricanes ceased to threaten, has grown this winter to an extent not seen since around 1980.”
O RLY?