Above: Al’s high five on ice caps (gone in five years)
Guest post by Steven Goddard
Gore says he has also detected a shift in the view of many business leaders. “They’re seeing the writing on every wall they look at. They’re seeing the complete disappearance of the polar ice caps right before their eyes in just a few years,” .
Responding to James Lovelock, the originator of the Gaia theory, who said the European trading system for carbon was “disastrous”, Gore says: “James Lovelock has forgotten more about science than I will ever learn. “
“Recent headlines have proclaimed that Arctic summer sea ice has decreased so much in the past few years that it has reached a tipping point and will disappear very quickly. The truth is that there is little evidence to support this. Indeed, the record-breaking losses in the past couple of years could easily be due to natural fluctuations in the weather, with summer sea ice increasing again over the next few years.
In a WUWT reader’s poll earlier this month, 91% of respondents forecast that 2009 minimum ice extent will be greater than 2008 – apparently agreeing with Dr. Pope’s comment above. Perhaps Al Gore should swap his Nobel Prize with people who have a better aptitude for learning science.
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Re Carbon Credits
California just published a most interesting set of documents with the rules for trading carbon intensity credits; these are related to the bio-fuels and zero-carbon and low-carbon fuels portion of AB 32. This is the Low Carbon Fuel Standard, and will be adopted into law on April 23, 2009. The documents are very long, over 700 pages, link shown below for those interested.
Obama stated he wants a federal plan to copy California’s plan.
The intriguing thing, to me, is that imported LNG is not included in the carbon intensity credits.
From the proposed legislation: “Providers of the following transportation fuels may generate carbon credits for sale:
• Electricity;
• Hydrogen and hydrogen blends;
• Fossil CNG derived from North American sources;
• Biogas CNG; and
• Biogas LNG.”
This will get very interesting, and provide the accountants with a lot of work trying to sort out how much natural gas in a given pipeline is from North American sources, and how much from imported LNG.
The documents are available at:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2009/lcfs09/lcfs09.htm
For a more detailed analysis, click
Lovelock…..Lovelock………Lovelock?
Isn’t he the one who emailed a scientist about getting rid of the MWP. Low and behold next IPCC report gave us “The Hockey Stick”.
They (warmers) are not going to listen to Vicky Pope, but are going full bore for winner take all. Do you really think that someone who until just recently had a huge sprawling mansion eating up the electricity is concerned about us? Yeah, I went and saw the movie, then I looked at the data for myself. Alarming gives way to reality. And when I look now at the Panic Button Alarming, there’s no way anybody is going to talk moderation into overheated minds.
Vicy Pope senses trouble in the making for the Warming Agenda shooting itself in the foot. And sure as heck, they are doing just that. Fine.
Right now, in my own state, alarmism is hitting the Panic button over a half-drought that is quickly getting it’s parade rained on. Much the same way as Alarming Warming is getting it’s britches froze off.
Billboards. Good old fashioned billboards. Get folks talking & thinking.
More and more people are beginning to realize that Al Gore himself has reached a tipping point. You can only pile up so much (*self snip*) until the whole stinking pile tips over and comes crashing down on your head. You must trust me on this… I am a plumber.
The writing I see on the wall is:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/123492-global-carbon-trading-index-funds-sink?source=yahoo
that the carbon market is falling apart. It may someday get it back together, but right now, it’s a loser.
I just call myself a Denier, doing so removes any power from the word. Opponents hope it will steer things off topic and expose you to gratuitous ad hominems during your attempts to reestablish credibility that was never truly lost to begin with, though it will be if they are permitted to control the discussion through such tactics.
California, my state, is suffering from Flat Sacramento Fever.
Take a quick look at their recent plan for fixing the buget. Placed squarely on the backs of the population in a time of economic cruch. And that is exactly who will pay for Cap & Trade, you & me. The Energy & Big Business will not pay a cent. Small business will take it on the chin, and down will go the recovery. They mean to do a resource bubble, and blow it up for all it’s worth. It will be a disaster.
Dean Burgher (16:52:00) :
Actually, I’ve been noticing a resemblance to the Grinch. Really.
Roger Knights (16:30:59) :
I’m thinking of changing my log-on to flat_earther.
I think the term denier has been abused mostly by being linked to global warming. I don’t deny that there has been some small amount of warming on this globe (mostly the northern hemisphere). If the term was instead “Climate Catastrophe Denier” it would at least be truthful, since there has not been any climate catastrophe caused by man, and there likely will not be in the future. Too bad there is not a simple term that embodies the whole thought, although “climate realist” comes close.
Mike D. (14:14:21) said :
So snipping what if the ice melts? How does that hurt “business”?
Warmer means longer growing seasons, more rain, more bio-productivity, more wealth creation, reduced energy costs, more profit, more comfort, increased quality of life, less starvation, more abundance, more happiness, less fear, more confidence in the future.
The Cult of Doom has picked the wrong disaster, because global warming is not a disaster; it is a boon to Mankind and Life in general.
We’re supposed to be taxed to the max and huddle in the cold and dark out of fear it might get warmer? That’s complete nonsense.
For all of you who feel like it’s just too warm where you live, please move north. Canada welcomes you. Land in Siberia is cheap. You can feed the polar bears, shovel snow, and heat your hovels with the wind.
THIS LAST BIT IS BRILLIANT. IT GETS POSTE ON MONDAY NEXT TO THE SC23 MicroSpots (I have portraits of 1000 thru 1014 with their lifespans, RIP. Lots of infant mortality going around.
OT- Victoria Texas had a record today:
“… Record low maximum temperature set at Victoria…
a record low maximum temperature of 46 degrees was set at Victoria Regional Airport yesterday March 13th. This breaks the old record of 48 set in 1940.”
Now, I realize that this is just weather, on the other hand if it had been a record high, it would undoubtedly be climate.
Al Gore’s comments about the handwriting on the wall saying that in a few years the polar ice caps will disappear reminds me of a thousand-year-old quote from Omar: “The Moving Finger writes, and, having writ
Moves on: nor all thy piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a line
Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it”
I personally would contribute $100 to put up a billboard with Al’s photo and comment on it in some prominent place, so the public can see what he said about it five years hence!
Pamela Gray (11:49:43) You wrote: “…I still have to read up on understanding what causes the trade winds to behave as they do.”
I’m late to this discussion (busy) but I suggest you look under the “vertical sun” for the power source and under CORIOLIS Force (effect) for the directional control. Note the vertical sun moves from ~23.5 degrees N to ~23.5 degrees S and hangs at those limits (solstice = “sun stands still”) for several weeks. When vertSun crosses the Equator it moves at a fast rate and doesn’t hang around. The Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) movement lags the vertSun and the Trades follow. Simple in principle!
huxley (12:32:55) : You wrote: “The basic greenhouse gas argument works for me …”
Both the name (greenhouse) and the argument are bogus. Let’s call it the “atmospheric effect” and include the physical processes of heating by conduction and convection which includes all the gases of the atmosphere where nitrogen gas and oxygen gas overwhelmingly dominate. Then let’s note that the radiation absorption and subsequent radiation (of something else) by CO2 is a logarithmic function and Earth is currently well past the initial and low effective amount — each additional bit is worth less to the overall effect. And Earth was 2x, 4x, 8x (pick your number) higher in CO2 in the past, we are relatively low now, and plants are growing better now than when the steam engine was invented. I could go on but I’m sure you see the pattern here. The basic greenhouse gas argument is convoluted and will only work if some positive feedback mechanism can magnify it by 3 to 5 times its real worth. They are still looking!
For years I have been saying that open Arctic sea water radiates more energy on an annual basis than multi-year sea ice. For the first time I heard on CBC a lead scientist say that multi year sea ice restricts the flow of thermal energy from the underlying sea water more than open water.
The minimum in 2007 and 2008 expanded the area of open water by about 2 million sq Km. This extra area would have cooled the sea water quite a bit.
Most first year ice ends up about 2 meters thick. It also melts. Multi year sea ice tends to be about 3 meters thick and about 1 meter melts. The cooling effect of the two ices melting is different by a factor of 2. Don’t forget…cold water falls down, warm water rises. Also…Ice melts faster in flowing water than in stagnant water.
“Obama stated he wants a federal plan to copy California’s plan. ”
Perhaps he should wait to see how it works out in California first. If businesses don’t flee, if Californians don’t emigrate, if the citizens don’t riot, if California doesn’t go begging to D.C. for a bailout THEN maybe he can contemplate it.
Claude Harvey (10:30:17) : Does anyone but me remember Y2K hysteria? […]assured him utility generators would not shut down just because they didn’t know exactly what day it was.
Ah yes… I remember asking people: “Exactly where do you put the date into the fuel pump?” when that were worried that fuel would not pump. (Most of them here did not have credit card readers built in then). The fact that an appliance had no clock or calendar did not stop folks from believing that somehow it would know… I also asked folks “Exactly where do you tell your car what date it is?” when they were afraid their cars would not run.
So me, and a lot of other technical folks who all knew nothing would happen, ended up paid overtime to sit around on New Years Eve and watch nothing happen. Didn’t stop the company I worked for from spending oodles on new computers somebody wanted and could “justify” with fear.
Unfortunately, for both Y2k and AGW, I think Ron White said it best: “You can’t fix stupid.”
O/T but blog related. I am a fan of weather and all it’s aspects. I tend to watch it very closely, as it can determine what can be accomplished in a day. Calgary gets all 4 seasons in one day ( a little quoloquial humor although not far from the truth). I get that it is a complicated part of the continent due to mountains, elevation, prevailing westerlies etc. But the local weatherman ( who I don’t mind at all ) has been consistently out ( too high) in his predictions through out most of this winter. Twice by 13 degrees celcius. Is this due to the models that they use? >>>> >>Pertaining to the thread; the writing they see on the wall says ” invest green” and it was spraypainted there by the CFO of Mr. Gore’s carbon offset credit company :^) Ain’t I a stinker? Snip if you are inclined to do so, moderator
Syl:
IMHO, Washington could care less that California’s current unemployment is over 10 percent and rising fast, companies are closing, 29,000 teachers got “preliminary pink slips” on Friday, and the riots are over “other issues”.
Plus, our budget bail-out bill of 3 short weeks ago ($42 billion dollar deficit repaired) has now sprung a leak. Deficit in only 3 WEEKS is now $8 billion! At that rate, we will be $120 billion in the hole by New Years.
None of this can be attributed to AB 32, because it does not really go into effect until 2012. And, by then, the economy may pick up, and the AGW crowd can say SEE! It didn’t hurt at all!
btw…that Seattle-area snowstorm is getting much worse…
Came forth fingers of a man’s hand writing on the wall. And this is the writing that was written. Mene mene tekel upharsin. Translation. Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting. It’s from the Old Testament. Very nicely put to music for chorus and orchestra as ‘Belshazzar’s Feast’ by Sir William Walton. Maybe that’s why BIG Al is packing on the pounds, doesn’t want to be found wanting.
I too got paid to watch nothing happen. What is little recognized is the huge outlays in funding for new IT equipment helped bait the trap that caused the IT crash.
What happens when 90% of the businesses upgrade all their IThardware and soft ware in a matter of months? It causes a boom bust cycle. First everyone and his dog jumps into IT to make money off the boom and then for some reason shortly after Y2K hardware and software sales crashed as no one needed to upgrade due to normal wear and tear. You also had truck loads of newly minted COBOL coders that no longer had a need to be employed, as their Y2K patching projects were finished, and they all rushed for the door at the same time.
The question is what will be the boom bust casualties from the collapse of the AGW scare? Lots of folks are spending lots of money for things like windmills etc. Will that industry suddenly collapse when it begins to saturate the market and reasonable places to build wind farms? The solar cell manufactures are currently building solar modules at nearly 100% capacity. I saw an item a while back that some of the big solar cell producers had their entire years production already spoken for.
The carbon credit trading markets would also be high on my list for markets primed for collapse as the rumors of disaster keep getting pushed farther and farther into the future. Mean while cities will be putting off purchases of items to deal with cold weather like road salt, and sand, dump trucks to spread it, snow plows, etc. only to find when they discover they need to buy new equipment everyone else is already in line to buy the same stuff, and delivery will be 6 months to a year down the road.
If the 30 year trend toward cooling develops I suspect that a lot of people/companies will be caught short by this sort of peak demand for things to service cold weather conditions, and a rush to exit things predicated on the assumption of warming.
Larry
Five years from now Gore will still be holding up five fingers!
ROB BATEMAN……. in regards to the BILLBOARD…I have just paid the money to reserve http://www.globalgoring.org
Email me at sharkhearted@gmail.com or anybody else interested in this BILLBOARD campaign.
I am not a website designer but there are plenty of people who are. The website could be the clearinghouse for the billboard campaign.
Its not Anthropogenic Global Warming. It is…..
Anthropogenic Global Goring (AGG)…as it shall be called.
Never before…or at least since the Spanish Inquisition….has the global scientific trust been gutted and “gored”…as it has now.
Interestingly… Enron….or any other corporate entitiy….is not let off the hook for mass deception and violation of the public trust.
How the Gore-Hansen-Holdren Machine can continue to get away with scientific MALFEASANCE….escapes us all. Regardless….
Great grassroots idea here. Thanks everybody….now let’s join forces and set the ****ing record straight!!
But first…I digress…..Pamela Gray….its nearing St Patty’s day….and I thought it high time to re-present your AGW Irish Blessing….which will always give me stitches:
“May the seas fall to leave you high and dry.
May the wind always blow up your skirt and chill your cheeks.
May sun shine…okay, forget sun shine… the snow fall soft into your dreadlocks,
And until we meet again …may Gaiai (or whatever the hell her name is) hold your feet to the icecube for mocking her.”
Hahaha…thanks Pamela….immortal words. Happy St. Pat’s Day everyone.
ON THIS BILLBOARD (and other media) CAMPAIGN…..LET ME KNOW!
Chris
Norfolk, VA
http://www.globalgoring.org
EMSmith: Jan 1, 2000, I saw firsthand, at a gas pump, in Saratoga, CA, the code that ran the thing displayed intsead of the price/gallon etc. It was a ROFL thing. I went in and told the attendant who could care less. He just shrugged and said he told them he still needed fixing, they were supposed to do it, but never showed up.
Next monday, when we hit the lab, the bios on the motherboards we were using for test went nuts. No boot past BIOS. We figured it out, set the date to 1999 and kept on testing.
Don’t look now, but they only fixed that stuff for the next 25 years.
Awaiting the next boom/bust.