Guardian: Al Gore says "business leaders see the writing on every wall they look at"

when are people just going to stop listening to this dribble. “the ice is melting in 10 years!, the ice is melting in 5 years!, the ice is melting now!” nothing will convince them and when the ice doesnt melt, they’ll say it was there own doing that helped the ice not melt.
also, al gore is correct in his first quote….he has learned nothing, and lovelock has forgotten nothing

I just want to know how a guy who takes energy efficiency and environmentalism seriously gained so much weight in three years. What happened to his low carbon lifestyle?

Business leaders listening to the current administration are worried abut staying in business. Carbon taxes will bankrupt the US and will do nothing to or for the environment. Al Gore is a danger to the US.

Then there’s this article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/lord-stern-on-global-warming-its-even-worse-than-i-thought-1643957.html
And then this one:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/sea-levels-rising-twice-as-fast-as-predicted-1642087.html
And the cause behind such alarmist columns could be described here:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16743-mass-hysteria-breaks-out-in-central-america.html

“he has also detected a shift in the view of many business leaders. “They’re seeing the writing on every wall they look at. They’re seeing the complete disappearance of the polar ice caps right before their eyes in just a few years,”
No..that’s not what they’re seeing. What they are seeing is, in fact, their very businesses disappearing, due to tremendous increases in taxes and energy required to RUN their business.
So we know that few politicians will question this, because they want the INPUT pipe to be as large as possible. Some business leaders will play along, becuase it benefits their business in some way, such as “Our products are more green than the OTHER guy’s.”
As for the public, remember that almost half of them still believe that Al Gore won the election, and was supposed to be president. It’s no likely that they will suddenly say “Crap!…This guy’s a LIAR!”. At least those that don’t frequent WUWT.
JimB

http://www.gpsl.net/climate/data/sea_ice/ijis-np-sea-ice-2009-03-14a.png
http://www.gpsl.net/climate/data/sea_ice/ijis-np-sea-ice-parallel-2009-03-14a.png
IJIS IARC sea ice monitor
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/cgi-bin/seaice-monitor.cgi
Following shows how ice peaking looks for 2004. Seems to wobble around as ice reduces some areas, still increasing in others.
(data zeros are satellite in protective standby)
http://www.gpsl.net/climate/data/sea_ice/ijis-np-sea-ice-spring-extent-2004.png

Dorlomin (08:23:13) :
The process may be self sustaining, an accumulation of heat in the ocean from lack of ice cover in the summer making it easier to melt each year, irrespective of whether solar forcing or AGW was the cause of recent heating.
Lets test our understanding of thermodynamics. When does the arctic (arctic ocean) gain more heat, when it is covered in ice, or when it is ice free? Anyone can take a stab at this question, not just Dorlomin.

The only wall writing business sees is changes in the tax code. Business responds first to the market, which is mostly rational. Business can be forced to respond to tax/subsidy policy if it overrides the market. Going forward, businesses will invest in ways that are likely to return the most subsidy and avoid the most taxes, rather than to invest in the most economically productive ways. They have no choice if they want to remain in business. The iron fist easily replaces the invisible hand.
As always, the poorest of the poor and the least politically powerful will suffer the most, with shorter lifespans, higher infant mortality and malnutrition. An unintended consequence? Maybe, but many greens openly state that a reduction in global population is desired.

Just what is needed in the climate of severe economic gloom: Climactic doom & gloom from a fire-breathing model based on what? and testable by what time frame?
I’ll have to say that Mr. Gore’s proclamation is opinion, and nothing more.
He should go to the North Pole if he really wants to save it. The temperature will drop off a veritable cliff and the ice will grow in geometric proportion to his effect as opposed to the fire that he breathes.
Pony up the Gore + Hansen expeditions to the poles.
Go there with neutral parties, and come back and tell us what it’s really like.

How’s about a billboard campaign? Put that pic of Gore holding up his hand and the caption: 5 years no more polar ice. It’s put up or shut up time.
Call.

Anthony
I hope you won’t snip me as the political comment is directly related to my understanding of the link I post.
The British contributors here already know of our govts record of eroding our traditional freedoms and its growing hysteria about climate change-an area where Gordon Brown intends to save the world.
Here we have the two coming together in the perfect storm, which should make our American contributors particularly fearful as you are but a few years behind us.
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.asp
Follow the lead story ‘trips abroad to be logged’.
I have posted on this subject before as it is linked to the enthusiasm of a powerful environmental parliamentary committee to introduce personal carbon cards and tax our carbon fuelled movements.
The fact that credit card details and an exact itinerary will be required before any international travel can take place should enable us all to see where this one is heading.
Note to the non Brits , because of our geography International travel is a much more common occurence than in Austraila or the US, the latter of which already has a draconian check of its incoming visitors-I can’t comment on the regulations for those going outside the country.
Tonyb

Al Gore sees lawsuits coming from every direction. There are laws about scamming people for profit.

OT, but here we are at the Ides of March, and Seattle is getting socked again by snow according to the National Weather Service:

“…WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 11 AM
THIS MORNING TO 7 AM PDT SUNDAY FOR THE SOUTH WASHINGTON CASCADES AND THE NORTH AND CENTRAL OREGON CASCADES…
A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 11 AM
THIS MORNING TO 7 AM PDT SUNDAY.
A PAIR OF FRONTAL SYSTEMS WILL MOVE ACROSS THE OREGON CASCADES
TODAY AND TONIGHT. THE INITIAL…WEAKER…SYSTEM WILL
REACH THE CASCADES LATE THIS MORNING. THE SECOND AND STRONGER
SYSTEM FOLLOWS THIS EVENING. SNOW LEVELS ARE NEAR 4000 FEET
THIS MORNING…BUT WILL FALL TO NEAR 1500 FEET BY DAWN SUNDAY. THE
HEAVIEST SNOWFALL WILL OCCUR LATE THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH
TONIGHT. TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS OF 10 TO 18 INCHES CAN BE
EXPECTED.”

hmmmm….
The globe’s temperature is rising…
The sea levels are rising…
Hurricanes are increasing in number and intensity…
I wonder if Seattle-area residents buy into any of this any more?

Guardian: Al Gore says “business leaders see the writing on every wall they look at”
Well, yes, that is because Mr. Gore and his friends are writing AGW graffiti on every wall they see.

Well, yes, that is because Mr. Gore and his friends are writing AGW graffiti on every wall they see.
Just got reminded to watch 12 Monkeys. Remember, that movie about how a mad scientists and a group of wealthy young activists ushered in armageddon? 😉

Extinctions, drought, flood, malaria, and now sub-prime gets added to the list.
“…sub-prime carbon assets”
Welcome to Al Gore’s nightmare.
At long last Mr. Gore, have you no shame?

When I hear this stuff, it really scares me. Honestly and deeply.
What if temperatures continue their slow rise, as they seem to have done this year? How can I not be so scared? I have no faith in our ability to really reduce carbon usage if that does turn out to be the problem.

“Robert Bateman (09:36:27) : How’s about a billboard campaign?”
I’m am thinking it could be a billboard saying :
————————–
. Global warming?
. You sure?
. WattsUpWithThat.com
————————–
The four words Watts-Up-With-That each in a different color to make them individually stand out and be quickly recognized when you’re driving.
People could come here and click for hours and hours.

Pamela Gray (09:26:59) :
Arctic seas are anything but a stable pool of water and solar heating is a seasonal glancing blow at best, and a miss at worst. Okay, now figure thermodynamics.
Correct!
At the poles, the heat gained by solar radiation is negligible compared to the heat gained via convection (mass transport, ocean currents, etc). The rate of heat transfer from the oceans to the atmosphere is dependent on the temperature difference and the dew point of the overlying air mass. This is more significant at high latitudes, of course, where the air temp is much colder. When ice covered, the poles are not nearly as effective at transporting heat from the ocean to the atmosphere (where it can be radiated into space or incorporated into meteorological processes). Thus, from a thermodynamics viewpoint, arctic ice does not “cool” the ocean, and ice free arctic does not “warm” the ocean. Rather, the opposite is true.
Alas, this is not intuitively obvious, and so people often get all confused and claim that Arctic ice is a positive feedback for cooling, and a reduction in arctic ice is a positive feedback for warming, which history shows us is impossible.
well, this is a topic for another post…
cheers!

As for the public, remember that almost half of them still believe that Al Gore won the election, and was supposed to be president. It’s no likely that they will suddenly say “Crap!…This guy’s a LIAR!”. At least those that don’t frequent WUWT.
JimB
Don’t be so certain, Jim B. As someone who followed the process in Texas when Bush was Gov and the Florida presidential election, I “know” that the election was stolen from Gore. And I am a liberal and I voted for him. Today I am glad George W. Bush was our President and am appalled by the Nobel Committee’s foolishness and Al Gore’s behavior . Many others are, too. His father would be even more appalled. I also followed the nominating process very closely during this election cycle — corruption and fraud everywhere. Few liberals are Democrats anymore; we have become Independents. The party in power actually is Progressive/Marxist.
So take heart. There are many who have seen the error of their ways. And desperation is oozing out of every pore of AGWers because the public is becoming more educated and the world is cooling — evil CO2 is their main ticket to power and control. Those truths and the fact that the old media is in a tailspin financially and in the number of viewers/readers can give hope to the work that the new media — blogs like WUWT — is doing.
Every other apocalyptic vision has eventually been laughed out of town. This one should follow suit as well — unless the hopeful controllers of the earth’s future have garnered (by fraud and corruption) a tipping point of wealth. Even then we have the example of the American Revolution.

You can see convection in action by viewing the time series of Arctic ice behavior available on several web sites. Both air and ocean current convection affects can be clearly understood. I especially enjoy watching how the ice tries with all its might to battle the incoming warm Arctic current East of Greenland (sometimes winning, sometimes losing) and then watch how the ice slowly forms along the eastern Greenland shore line from North to South where there is a cold outgoing current.

Dorlomin:

the exposed sea absorbs a great deal more heat

And open water also loses a great deal more heat when winter sets in.

JimB and JustWantTheTruth:
It wouldn’t matter a whole lot what is on the billboard, as long as Gore’s face and his 5 year warning plan are called out on the rug.
I’m quite sure there are plenty of groups and others who are tired of getting fire breathed all over them when they have more pressing issues to attend to.
Just circulate the idea.
You can even do one on Hansen and his Shut all Coal Plants in the US down decree.
Then we’ll see where Cap & Trade ends up.
My guess is the Recycle Center for used models.
Gotta keep it green, you know.

Clearly the battle will continue over who is right based on which correlation is believed. Some will say it was the downturn in the economy, thus reducing CO2 emissions, allowed the Earth to cool. Others will say the sleepy Sun did it. Still others will point to the cooling ocean in the Pacific (and still weak signs that the Atlantic is turning cold too) is “what done it”.
I’m of the ocean camp. The mechanism is hypothesized to be related to the trade winds becoming stronger, blowing warmer surface water further west in the Pacific, allowing colder ocean water to dominate on the surface, and we know that weather patterns beginning in the Pacific end up creating variations in weather patterns across the US. And yes, I know that I still have to read up on understanding what causes the trade winds to behave as they do.

Vanilla Ice isn’t the only charlatan singing “ice ice baby”

Michael Crichton broke down the numbers regarding Y2K in State of Fear.
He discovered government expenditure was less than 10% of the total amount spent on fighting Y2K. The public and private sector did all the rest of the spending and most of that was part of the natural software and hardware upgrade cycle that would have occurred anyway without Y2K hysteria.
Yet the British and US government claimed credit for beating Y2K.

His most gracious Highness, Lord of the darkest and most noxious greenhouse gases, the Prince of the last remnants of frozen antartic territories, the One who was so clever as to stir up the deep slumber of sleeping consciousnes of the most despicable commons by teaching them with words of wisdom how to manage the world order, how not to breath, how not to dare farting, they and their so numerous cattle, without paying previously to their Mighty Excellence a most convenient and liberating tax, the Prince of dark and filthy methane, will soon bless us with His Presence in the coming Summer season, to enlight us with truths uttered by His most admirable mouth, through words born deep in His always growing and magnificent belly His most wise sayings and new warnings referring to all the new calamities, we the commons have originated, and how He, as a punishment, has cleverly decided that, instead of warm, COLD will afflict us. This new era, so HE has decided, will bear HIS NAME to remind us WHO our Lord is and how we are suppose to behave before the ominous commandments, always for our wellbeing, He graciously pronounces.

The first rule for major market success is: ‘shape the market, shape the product’.
In this case, shaping the market means creating a lasting firm and unchangeable belief that climate change is dangerous, man-made and understandable.
Shaping the product means identifying specific technological areas which can ‘address’ the issues of climate change effectively but in a way which requires continual product usage for a very long time.
If you have invested in those products and shaped that market successfully, then you are likely to make a lot of money.
The question is: has Al Gore done those things successfully yet?
And if not, will he in the next seven to ten years before his VC fund has to have been fully invested and exited from?

Report From Texas
As I mentioned in an earlier comment, natural gas drilling in the US has lately been so productive (especially in tight gas shales) that the price for Nat Gas has tanked. As the chairman of Petrobangla (Bangladesh’s national oil & gas company) told me once, “We are floating on a sea of natural gas”.
If you wait long enough, some of the facts trickle through to the Old Gray Lady (rapidly becoming the Old Gray Pipsqueak):
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/business/15drilling.html
(A) “The drilling cutback has been particularly stark for natural gas. Gas exploration had soared in recent years after technology advances enabled the exploitation of gas trapped in huge shale beds found around Fort Worth, western Pennsylvania, upstate New York and elsewhere.
But that boom has created such abundant supplies that companies are not only drilling less but also deciding not to pump from [sic; gas isn’t “pumped”. The correct jargon would have been “deciding to shut-in”] wells already drilled.”
(B) Oh, and here’s a surprise:
“But the economic downturn has cut into demand. Global oil prices and American natural gas prices have plummeted two-thirds since last summer. NOT EVEN AN UNSEASONABLY COLD WINTER drove down unusually high inventories of natural gas.”
I wonder where the heck THAT came from? Oh, it’s Saturday. Nobody reads the paper on Saturday. Time to print the FACTS.

“Mike McMillan (11:51:32) :
Aron (08:24:02) :
I just want to know how a guy who takes energy efficiency and environmentalism seriously gained so much weight in three years. . .
He’s sequestering carbon.”
Since methane is such a horrendous greenhouse gas, any carbon sequestered is small compared to the methane emissions generated.

Robert Wood (09:25:48) :
tetris @ 09:03:25
The Daily MAil has also be known to be occasionally skeptical
You wouldn’t call the Telegraph sceptical, if you saw yesterday’s main headline or today’s leading article. I think they may be trying to catch up with the others!
The only scepticism I’ve seen is regularly in the Sunday Telegraph from the admirable Chris Booker. Looks like he’s locked in a separate room away from his colleagues though. I think he may contribute to the Mail as well?

Numerous mainstream media no longer serve as societal watch-dogs – they’ve become docile show-dogs. Without the backing of the many spineless media present today the un-proven AGW theory would never reach the masses. The Gores and Hansens of the world rely on alarmist writers, editors and publishers to disseminate their propaganda and ignore all data and sources that question the dogma of CO2-induced global warming/climate change. We’re witnessing yellow journalism at its worst.

@Pragmatic: “The Guardian has been recognized as a relatively bias-neutral paper”: my golly, by whom? In my judgement it’s the most partial of the British broadsheets or former broadsheets- if you really need evidence try visiting Tim Worstall’s blog where he demolishes its rubbish with dismissive ease.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/399/1051399/guardian-tech-guru-away
Where we want to go
The Guardian has an oft-stated mission to “become the world’s leading liberal voice”. Owned by the Scott Trust, what drives the Guardian is not so much profits – although it has to make money – than the journalistic values of its founder and long-time editor, CP Scott.
So why the illiberal attitude and bias on the Environmental section of their site? Someone explain to me what is liberal about catastrophic global warming, not investigating politicians like Gore, and exploiting the Holocaust to insult people who don’t agree with you?

Tom’s Axiom:
Gore is to science as Nadoff is to investing.
Billboard???

“Well, the Nobel seems to have lost some prestige in the last decade…”
Arafat won in ’94. Paul Krugman won last year. That tells us all we need to know about the Nobel Prize. The Nobel and $3 will get you a bottle of water.

So snipping what if the ice melts? How does that hurt “business”?
Warmer means longer growing seasons, more rain, more bio-productivity, more wealth creation, reduced energy costs, more profit, more comfort, increased quality of life, less starvation, more abundance, more happiness, less fear, more confidence in the future.
The Cult of Doom has picked the wrong disaster, because global warming is not a disaster; it is a boon to Mankind and Life in general.
We’re supposed to be taxed to the max and huddle in the cold and dark out of fear it might get warmer? That’s complete nonsense.
For all of you who feel like it’s just too warm where you live, please move north. Canada welcomes you. Land in Siberia is cheap. You can feed the polar bears, shovel snow, and heat your hovels with the wind.

When the AGW scientists make announcements that things are worse than they previously predicted aren’t they really saying that they have tweaked their models and now they are predicting a more dire outcome, usually many years in the future? Couldn’t they at least hint at what parameters have been changed or added, etc. and why? I think they look foolish when they predict increased warming in the teeth of a cooling trend.
This may be a naive question but at the North Pole in the summer, although the sun shines 24 hours a day sometimes, isn’t it very low on the horizon?

Had a look at the “Catlin arctic survey” site. They’ve done 30 km in two weeks and has more than 900 km to go. At that rate they will reach the pole in July 2010, and will thus have opportunity to study the ice thickness over an entire annual cycle…..
Methinkanother epic fiasco is in the making because some idiots think the arctic isn’t arctic any more.

Gore is telling the truth when he says:
“They’re seeing the writing on every wall they look at. They’re seeing the complete disappearance of the polar ice caps right before their eyes in just a few years,”
‘Polar Ice Caps’ is code, just replace it with ‘Prosperous Industry and Commerce’.

Looks like big Al is advertising for a 5 dollar foot long sub sandwich!

westhoustongeo (11:31:35) :
“I just want to know how a guy who takes energy efficiency and environmentalism seriously gained so much weight in three years. What happened to his low carbon lifestyle?”
Isn’t that just his own personal project to sequester carbon? Has he sold the offsets?.

Claude Harvey (10:30:17) :
Does anyone but me remember Y2K hysteria? It provides a road map for the trajectory of AGW:
1) A theoretical construct of doom was presented.
2) First-class technical minds explored the possibilities and, either consciously or unconsciously, found continuing personal reward in findings affirming the construct.
3) Once a “critical mass” of belief in the construct was achieved in the public domain, the construct became a “self-fulfilling prophesy”; something that “everyone knew was true”.
*****************
Great Y2K analogy. I was VP of Engineering at a Telecom equipment manufacturing company. The IT dept had the CEO, a PhD, convinced we were in deep doo do with our product line and that our in house PCs and systems would black hole themselves. Our budgets were constrained to fund a massive IT program. It was in the self interest of IT to propagate this hysteria and they could cite external industry “Experts” to contradict my skeptical opinion. I refused the budget allocation for Engineering and got all our products certified for this BS by having guys make some smart experiments with our products. Lots of certification paperwork to fill out though, which I did personally so my people could do real work. I also set all our Windows PCs in Eng to various times and dates just before New Years and observed what happened. Yes, nothing. For once Microsoft was OK. Yah, we did not have any old COBOL systems with 2 digit dates, a fact easy to ascertain.
Experts hyping disaster got our management’s panties all atwist despite hard data from some of us contradicting the disaster. The analogy is instructive.

1) I believe the climate does change.
2) Climate change is a continuous process, it never stops changing.
3) Man does have an impact on the climate, just as any living creature on earth does. Man is part of nature.
4) During the last 14,000 years the climate has been warmer than present many times. Man thrived.
5) During the last 14,000 years the climate has been cooler than present many times. Man struggled to survive.
6) In the last 500,000 years the climate has spent some time much, much, warmer than present. Man thrived.
7) In the last 500,000 years over 400,000 of them were times of glaciation and man struggled.
8) During the last glacial period the human population fell to about 10,000 people.
9) During the next glacial period man will fare better then he did in the last, but, world population will drop by 50% or more.
10) During the next glacial period our sea ports will become inland locations and the ports / beaches will be out at the edge of the continental shelf.
Man should focus his time, research, funding, and policies on adapting to climate change (in either direction) rather than on attempting to control climate change.
The warming out of the Little Ice Age was a good thing. It allowed modern man to thrive, to exist, to develop. The last 100 – 150 years is also but a blink of the eye in geologic time. It is NOT a true long term trend. If anything, it has been a brief reprieve from the true long term trend (over 7,000 years) of cooling.
Nature has given us a gift of time, a short reprieve. We should use it wisely rather than for immoral purposes of political gain. It will be many thousands of years before our coasts are at the edge of the continental shelf. Most likely it will be a few thousand before the next Glacial Period….. but, perhaps not.
We know too little about the history of the Arctic sea ice to base any long term conclusions on it. Lets say that Gore was right and that within five years all of the Arctic sea ice was gone in the summers. What does it mean?
It does not mean that sea levels will be rising. It does mean an increase in evaporation, hence, global precipitation. I wonder how that plays into his ‘drought’ speech?
Some of the increased precipitation should find its way to the interior of Greenland and Antarctica. An increase in net global ice volume and a decrease in sea levels. As the Arctic once again enters a winter freeze the increased precipitation (as snow) would add to Arctic ice volume and eventually would most likely win out. Arctic ice volume once again increasing.
In the interim, Gore is correct. Some business leaders are looking at the picture he paints. An open Arctic sea in the summer. Many in the shipping industry hope Gore is right, they eagerly await the opportunity to use the Arctic sea as a route of transit.

I scimmed thru the comments and didn’t see one that underscores what is really happening with Vicky Pope’s (UK met office) and others seemingly very reasonable admonition that warmers should temper their remarks. This is new from the committed warmers but we will be seeing a lot more of this reasonableness as warmers face ever more blasts of cold weather and stubborn ice sheets.

Re Carbon Credits
California just published a most interesting set of documents with the rules for trading carbon intensity credits; these are related to the bio-fuels and zero-carbon and low-carbon fuels portion of AB 32. This is the Low Carbon Fuel Standard, and will be adopted into law on April 23, 2009. The documents are very long, over 700 pages, link shown below for those interested.
Obama stated he wants a federal plan to copy California’s plan.
The intriguing thing, to me, is that imported LNG is not included in the carbon intensity credits.
From the proposed legislation: “Providers of the following transportation fuels may generate carbon credits for sale:
• Electricity;
• Hydrogen and hydrogen blends;
• Fossil CNG derived from North American sources;
• Biogas CNG; and
• Biogas LNG.”
This will get very interesting, and provide the accountants with a lot of work trying to sort out how much natural gas in a given pipeline is from North American sources, and how much from imported LNG.
The documents are available at:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2009/lcfs09/lcfs09.htm
For a more detailed analysis, click

They (warmers) are not going to listen to Vicky Pope, but are going full bore for winner take all. Do you really think that someone who until just recently had a huge sprawling mansion eating up the electricity is concerned about us? Yeah, I went and saw the movie, then I looked at the data for myself. Alarming gives way to reality. And when I look now at the Panic Button Alarming, there’s no way anybody is going to talk moderation into overheated minds.
Vicy Pope senses trouble in the making for the Warming Agenda shooting itself in the foot. And sure as heck, they are doing just that. Fine.
Right now, in my own state, alarmism is hitting the Panic button over a half-drought that is quickly getting it’s parade rained on. Much the same way as Alarming Warming is getting it’s britches froze off.
Billboards. Good old fashioned billboards. Get folks talking & thinking.

California, my state, is suffering from Flat Sacramento Fever.
Take a quick look at their recent plan for fixing the buget. Placed squarely on the backs of the population in a time of economic cruch. And that is exactly who will pay for Cap & Trade, you & me. The Energy & Big Business will not pay a cent. Small business will take it on the chin, and down will go the recovery. They mean to do a resource bubble, and blow it up for all it’s worth. It will be a disaster.

Mike D. (14:14:21) said :
So snipping what if the ice melts? How does that hurt “business”?
Warmer means longer growing seasons, more rain, more bio-productivity, more wealth creation, reduced energy costs, more profit, more comfort, increased quality of life, less starvation, more abundance, more happiness, less fear, more confidence in the future.
The Cult of Doom has picked the wrong disaster, because global warming is not a disaster; it is a boon to Mankind and Life in general.
We’re supposed to be taxed to the max and huddle in the cold and dark out of fear it might get warmer? That’s complete nonsense.
For all of you who feel like it’s just too warm where you live, please move north. Canada welcomes you. Land in Siberia is cheap. You can feed the polar bears, shovel snow, and heat your hovels with the wind.
THIS LAST BIT IS BRILLIANT. IT GETS POSTE ON MONDAY NEXT TO THE SC23 MicroSpots (I have portraits of 1000 thru 1014 with their lifespans, RIP. Lots of infant mortality going around.

Al Gore’s comments about the handwriting on the wall saying that in a few years the polar ice caps will disappear reminds me of a thousand-year-old quote from Omar: “The Moving Finger writes, and, having writ
Moves on: nor all thy piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a line
Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it”
I personally would contribute $100 to put up a billboard with Al’s photo and comment on it in some prominent place, so the public can see what he said about it five years hence!

huxley (12:32:55) : You wrote: “The basic greenhouse gas argument works for me …”
Both the name (greenhouse) and the argument are bogus. Let’s call it the “atmospheric effect” and include the physical processes of heating by conduction and convection which includes all the gases of the atmosphere where nitrogen gas and oxygen gas overwhelmingly dominate. Then let’s note that the radiation absorption and subsequent radiation (of something else) by CO2 is a logarithmic function and Earth is currently well past the initial and low effective amount — each additional bit is worth less to the overall effect. And Earth was 2x, 4x, 8x (pick your number) higher in CO2 in the past, we are relatively low now, and plants are growing better now than when the steam engine was invented. I could go on but I’m sure you see the pattern here. The basic greenhouse gas argument is convoluted and will only work if some positive feedback mechanism can magnify it by 3 to 5 times its real worth. They are still looking!

“Obama stated he wants a federal plan to copy California’s plan. ”
Perhaps he should wait to see how it works out in California first. If businesses don’t flee, if Californians don’t emigrate, if the citizens don’t riot, if California doesn’t go begging to D.C. for a bailout THEN maybe he can contemplate it.

O/T but blog related. I am a fan of weather and all it’s aspects. I tend to watch it very closely, as it can determine what can be accomplished in a day. Calgary gets all 4 seasons in one day ( a little quoloquial humor although not far from the truth). I get that it is a complicated part of the continent due to mountains, elevation, prevailing westerlies etc. But the local weatherman ( who I don’t mind at all ) has been consistently out ( too high) in his predictions through out most of this winter. Twice by 13 degrees celcius. Is this due to the models that they use? >>>> >>Pertaining to the thread; the writing they see on the wall says ” invest green” and it was spraypainted there by the CFO of Mr. Gore’s carbon offset credit company :^) Ain’t I a stinker? Snip if you are inclined to do so, moderator

Came forth fingers of a man’s hand writing on the wall. And this is the writing that was written. Mene mene tekel upharsin. Translation. Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting. It’s from the Old Testament. Very nicely put to music for chorus and orchestra as ‘Belshazzar’s Feast’ by Sir William Walton. Maybe that’s why BIG Al is packing on the pounds, doesn’t want to be found wanting.

Five years from now Gore will still be holding up five fingers!

EMSmith: Jan 1, 2000, I saw firsthand, at a gas pump, in Saratoga, CA, the code that ran the thing displayed intsead of the price/gallon etc. It was a ROFL thing. I went in and told the attendant who could care less. He just shrugged and said he told them he still needed fixing, they were supposed to do it, but never showed up.
Next monday, when we hit the lab, the bios on the motherboards we were using for test went nuts. No boot past BIOS. We figured it out, set the date to 1999 and kept on testing.
Don’t look now, but they only fixed that stuff for the next 25 years.
Awaiting the next boom/bust.

Lee Kingston
Thank you for that succinct, LOGICAL post. Could not agree more.
Regardless of what direction the climate ultimately goes….we need to be sinking ALL of our efforts into preparing for the future.
As another poster has said:
“Where is the NASA that put men on the moon???”
CHRIS
Norfolk, VA

Five years from now, Al Gore will be holding up the parade.
You have to realize that he’s a politician, not a scientist.
Hansen and others have fed him a line.
Or so they might think.
This is where it gets messy. Who’s holding whose strings?
The politician usually survives the train wrecks. Al Gore has an out, his political skills.
Not so unwitting doomsayers who understood the underlying data and bought into the game. I call them fodder for the Bus.

David C. Ball,
I have noticed the same trend with many actual temperature readings as much as 11 F lower than forcasted. I don’t remember forcasts being consistantly high before. They must be using a new program that has a high temperature bias.

If WUWT had advertisements that could pay for billboards, commercials, etc.
Just a thought.

OK, I am getting bored by these Gore’s and similar comments that are completely detached from reality. And I suspect that most people are already getting bored by them, too.
Most people only believed the global warming alarm because of pure ignorance – they didn’t have any reason to doubt the only thing that they have heard. But because the other, proper explanation is gradually penetrating to the ears of everyone, the reasons to believe the “only answer” are going to evaporate.
2010 may already be a year when the alarmists will be returned the fringe status.

Most of the posters here are natural scientists like myself. The discussion starts with physical data, and can get very technical. In order to understand what the real political and general academic situation consists of, however, you have to do some readings in social science. If you spend even several hours, you will discover that there are people with considerable influence who know nothing about hard science, but who do indeed understand and practice some rather abstract and strange sounding psychological concepts.
The http://green-agenda.com site has quotes that sound very odd to a normal person, for example. But it represents a certain worldview that is more extensive than you would expect, if you are a hard science type such as most of the people here.
Going further, one might read a little about the father of the ‘march through the institutions’ —
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci
The long marchers are doing very well, so far. One of the reasons is simple — there is little understanding of social science and psychological manipulation on the part of regular scientists such as ourselves. The marchers are unopposed.
There is a free download site,
http://www.scribd.com
that has a lot of material on psychological topics, and much else. As an example, enter the words to find an essay about the use of psychological techniques in the manipulation of public opinion. It does not take a lot of suggestible people to tip the political balance.
After some reading you will conclude that the rational side is very uninformed about the psychological and political aspects, and is not offering any ‘real’ opposition. At the public level, the intelligent commentary found here has just about zero impact. You will eventually realize that Mr. Gore and his allies know things that you do not — that is why he is powerful, and you are not.
A Dalton or Maunder minimum will be required to change the situation. For now, the long march continues to win by default.

The writing is indeed on the wall. It says: AL GORE IS A WORLD CLASS IDIOT!

The Y2K problem was real and not remotely akin to the AGW scare: older bespoke computing systems that utilised two numerals to represent the year – that included, for example, many of those handling global financial services – would, if not fixed, have failed. A simple example: a system that treated “99” as meaning “1999” and, therefore, “00” as meaning “1900” could not have handled an interest calculation correctly. It was an absurd problem caused because a software solution that made sense in the 80s was not phased out in time by a short-sighted computer industry. What had to be done was simple enough: to identify the vast numbers of cases where the problem existed, to correct them and to test the corrections. It took a long time and was mind numbingly boring – of limited interest to computer “experts” who would far rather have been blowing up the dotcom bubble. And, in 1997, not enough people were getting on with it. Hence the so-called scare. But eventually people did listen, they did act and, by and large, the problem was averted.

Retired BChE (18:28:27) : said
” Al Gore’s comments about the handwriting on the wall saying that in a few years the polar ice caps will disappear reminds me of a thousand-year-old quote from Omar: “The Moving Finger writes, and, having writ
Moves on: nor all thy piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a line
Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it”
I personally would contribute $100 to put up a billboard with Al’s photo and comment on it in some prominent place, so the public can see what he said about it five years hence!”
I have previously written that we need a web site with all these predictions-and there are many-together with a tickingclock. It would also show the predictions that didn’t come true.
I’m sure there must already be something of this nature. Anyone care to provide a link?
Tonyb

OT but according to the Norwegian paper Aftenposten, James Hansen says (Google translated from Norwegian text)
“- I would rather see the climate talks in Copenhagen fail, than that we get a deal based on the trading of greenhouse emissions that allow continuing with coal, “says Professor James Hansen of NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies to Aftenposten.no.”
Tiny URL to Google translation
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bt38tq
To me it looks like the alarmists are planning for “climate talk failures” as a back door out of the CO2 mess.

GIS and HadCrut are in for Feb.
GIS at +0.41
HadCrut at 0.35 (below UAH 0.36),
All for centers are pretty much in line this month. Amazing.
Looks like GIS made an error in fudging their numbers!
I had expected 0.6something from them.

Pierre Gosselin (02:16:15) :
GIS and HadCrut are in for Feb.
GIS at +0.41
HadCrut at 0.35 (below UAH 0.36),
All for centers are pretty much in line this month. Amazing.
No they’re not because they use different base periods. If you use a common base period, e.g. the satellite base period 1979-1997, GISS comes out much cooler than UAH. I reckon the 1979-97 adjusted figures come are as follows:
UAH +0.36
RSS +0.23
Hadley +0.20
GISS +0.15
Looks like GIS made an error in fudging their numbers!
I had expected 0.6something from them.
Which would be more consistent with the UAH anomaly. It seems the different base periods are still causing problems for some.

Carston Arnholm has it exactly! What better way can they whip up a furore than if they fail? This sort of dishonest conniving on the part of supposed scientists is what caused me to start looking deeper into AGW. This is what the alarmists fear most. They are afraid of the light.
BTW, the only “writing on the wall” I can see from my front porch is another 4 inches of snow… Enough already!

The “Chu Effect” marches on. Northern California is forecast to get up to seven more inches of precipitation over the next two weeks.
http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec1.html
Perhaps he should start making apocalyptic projections about Texas – the farmers there could use his help.

are you lookin at me, pal? (02:31:23) :
“….100 months to save the world…”
Exactly. Less perhaps. They have exactly as long as it will take before lack of warming, even cooling becomes unequivocal, and the public no longer accepts the warming hypothesis. If the cooling is substantial and rapid and wipes out the warming gain over the last century, then we have hope for the end of this madness. If the cooling is very little, or very gradual, we have much longer to endure it and will face excuses (the sun?) why we have a ‘temporary reprieve’ before the warming will begin again.
I am sure most vocal proponents of AGW firmly believe in the science of warming, and probably do not even want to look at the critical science. I am also convinced that governments know the science is not settled but are happy to keep quiet about it. The whole AGW movement suits them as it allows all sorts of developments that could not otherwise happen and it is for this reason that Climate Change will be pushed and supported for a very long time to come. On one hand it can be used as means of control, on the other it can stimulate sustainable development and technological innovation, with, crucially, others paying for it (industry, taxes).
I would be nice to have the sustanability without imposing such control, but it has not been happening fast enough so AGW is a convenient driver. Skeptics like us have the potiential to spoil the well laid hopes and plans for change.

The inability to benefit from feedback appears to be the primary cause of
pseudoscience. Pseudoscientists retain their beliefs and ignore or distort
contradictory evidence rather than modify or reject a flawed theory. Because
of their strong biases, they seem to lack the self-correcting mechanisms
scientists must employ in their work.
— Thomas L. Creed, “The Skeptical Inquirer,” 1987
Sounds like a perfect description of Mr. Gore…

Al “The Bore” Gore is at it again. Furst he invests his Shell Oil dollars in alternative energy enterprises, then he tries to scare people into buying that stuff. At least Jesse James was up-front about what he did.
Ever notice how “FAT” aging Democrats get? Look at Gore, Alec Baldwin, Ed “Rhe Swimmer” Kennedy; Barney “I Never Had A Girl Friend” Frank; Chris “Angelo’s friend” Dodds. And, if you’ve seen any current photos of Bill “I Didn’t Have Sex Relations With That Woman” Clinton, he’s on a “Bloviating” streak.

The Catlin page has an interesting statistic at the bottom.

Average daily distance
2.14 km
Estimated distance to North Pole
924.52 km

At that rate, it will take more than a year to get to the pole. Has Lewis Pugh made it yet?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7588329.stm

Long-distance swimmer Lewis Pugh plans to kayak 1200km (745 miles) to the North Pole to raise awareness of how global warming has melted the ice sheet.

Holy Moly!
A report about the ICCC in the American Thinker:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/the_clear_and_cohesive_message_1.html
WUWT gets mentioned.

JimB
I did not see the image of them falling through the -40C ice.
I’ll certainly look for it.
Perhaps they were using a gas stove to cook their “dumplings” and the ice melted. Being full of “dumplings” they may have cracked the ice.
You asked:
“And if this data is crucial, which I imagine it likely is, wouldn’t it be a lot cheaper to hire a helicopter to fly out so you could take the measurements?”
Crucial!!!
Of course it is crucial, even more crucial than crucial.
“Professor Maslowski is affiliated to the US Navy’s Department of Oceanography at the Postgraduate School in Monterey, California.
He will synthesize the Catlin observations and the latest meteorological data with his high resolution Arctic ice model output. ”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7902766.stm
Crucial it is going to be SYNTHESIZED, now that is really crucial.
What is going to synthesize this this this … eh eh … “data?”.
His high resolution Arctic ice model.
You already know the findings.
And yes it would be a lot cheaper if they use a Russian helicopter to fly to the North Pole.
http://www.nathab.com/destinations/index.aspx?pageID=7&tripID=153&action=trip_overview
I’m planning to have the Victory Suite at a mere $32,390.
Perhaps the WWF will give me a discount.

Aron (00:46:35) :
Mean while cities will be putting off purchases of items to deal with cold weather like road salt,
This is exactly what happened in London this winter. For years they were told that cold winters would disappear because of global warming.
Not true .You cannot expect councils to keep specialist snow equipment on standby unless this is a frequent event .
Any way why didnt you simply put on snow chains/snow tyres and carry on as the rest of europe/Canada would. Perhaps it was simply not cost effective for you to have these on standby?
Ellie in Belfast (05:16:54) :
I’m with you on this. We need to gear up for a sustainable future. if Gw or Agw is the driving force it is immaterial
bill

Clive
Found this on ICECAP.us ,The Edmonton Journal has a report today about the temperature records.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Global+warming+longer+happening/1391903/story.html
Records are usually broken fractions of degrees. The International’s was exceeded by 12 degrees.
How do i know already that the march temperature records for alberta will be unavailable or incomplete and have to be replaced by averages in James Hanse’s GISSTEMP calculations.

I used to respect Pete Postlewaithe but the way he allowed the Guardian to set him up and say these things has made me strike his work off of my movies-to-see list. Taking advantage of the Holocaust to sell fear or a movie is plain sick.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/mar/13/postlethwaite-age-of-stupid-climate-deniers
This bit is frankly ridiculous
The film has already provoked strong reactions from climate change naysayers, but Postlethwaite dismissed them. “I just put a reflective mirror up at them and let it bounce back them and go ‘bye bye, let’s hear the positive things from George Monbiot’,” he said.
George Monbiot has something positive to say? 90% of what comes out of him is divisive, manipulate and technically incorrect (he stands by his assertion that a Ford Model T is cleaner and more efficient than a modern car).
If you’ve watched the trailer for Age of Stupid you’ll scenes of Palestinian children, tsunami warnings, Hurricane Katrina, the invasion of Baghdad, and more scenes of war.
All designed to tug away at your heartstrings and make you hate the world and none of which have anything to do with climate change. But if it manipulates a young generation to hate ‘the system’ and accept a substitute systems then the film-makers knew what they were doing when they were divorcing audiences from reality.
Chalk this one up from the school of Leni Riefenstahl and Michael Moore.

John Finn (03:20:16) :
See if this is what we are at.
GISS January 0.51 February 0.41 Move -0.1
RSS January 0.32 February 0.23 Move -0.09
UAH January 0.3 February 0.36 Move +0.06
HADCRUT January 0.37 February 0.34 Move -0.03

Lubos Motl (22:48:20) :

OK, I am getting bored by these Gore’s and similar comments that are completely detached from reality. And I suspect that most people are already getting bored by them, too.
OT: Thanks for the birthday tribute to Albert Einstein on your blog. I enjoyed that.
On topic:
I feel that Gore (and Hansen) have alienated some of the public. The public is tired of hearing the rhetoric and predications that never match reality. Unfortunately Gore and Hansen are not the limit of the AGW / IPCC material distribution.
There was the National Teach In on Global Warming which focused on, and presented, a one sided AGW agenda to young minds. Then there are a multitude of video productions which incorporate an AGW theme. I just got done with a blog entry related to that titled:
Media Projects and Propaganda
http://penoflight.com/climatebuzz/?p=464

B Kerr:
I’m planning to have the Victory Suite at a mere $32,390.
Perhaps the WWF will give me a discount.
I’d go on that trip in a skinnit. What a fantastic voyage. And to think you could tell your kids and grandkids that you were actually THERE before the great melting that the Goracle foretold them of.
Another interesting thing about the Caitlin site. Read the quotes flashing across the banner on the main page. Every single quote I saw was from someone who had clearly already made up their mind what the findings would be, going so far as to almost consider the expedition a mere formality at this point, and hardly required.
Also, for those concerned about the amount of time it’s taking to cover ground, that’s covered on the website.
Starting out when they did meant they were moving in almost 24hr darkness (?), and so everything that they do, including stopping, donning their imersion suits, jumping into the open water, dragging their gear for whatever distance the water is open, and then getting out of their suits, is all done in “almost 24hr total darkness”. This would certainly require a near herculean effort, and their endurance is incredible, but again I have to ask: Why? People must see this for the publicity event that it is? Don’t they?
JimB

“James Lovelock has forgotten more about science than I will ever learn. “-Gore
True. LOL!

bill (07:09:23) :
I can’t see AGW as a good driving force – at least not in the whole. It has gone too far.
Someone (another thread) mentioned cognitive dissonance. Perfect word for the confusion I feel. I am an AGW skeptic, pro-technology and progress and believe in market forces, but I am pro-environment and I see the need for development of more sustainable attitudes and technologies. I can see the positive effect and stimulation of technology happening as a result of the targets and controls imposed.
The vision of a sustainable future is good, but I dislike the lie being perpetuated to get us there. Does the end justify the means? I can’t answer that one, but my gut reaction is ‘no’.

Al Gore is obviously a hypocrite – there can be no doubt about it. He is in this thing of his for the money and nothing else. What can you expect?
To really understand what Gore is really doing, all we need to do is compare him with Mr. Cheney, a true patriot who did not hesitate to invest 80billion to keep a dictator from obliterating the US with nuclear weapons. This is patriotism.
We must be thankful that Gore did not get elected when he run against Bush! If he had, we wouldn’t be enjoying the extraordinary level of prosperity we now enjoy – such prosperity does not only necessitate the service of patriots, such as Cheney and Bush, but also requires superb intelligence, something Gore totally lacks, and GW Bush excelled at.

Mr. Gore will always swim downstream. He does not have the strength to swim upstream. Which ever way he reads the current, will become his new passion.

TerryBixler (08:28:13) :

MartinGAtkins (06:13:23) :
Unemployment now approaching 10% and state budget funding in severe question. I guess things are fine in the golden state.

If you think California’s a mess you need to go to Europe and see what the socialists have done there.

Arn Riewe wrote:
“After developing a computer modeling program, I have determined that by the year 2013……Al [Gore] will be big enough to fill the entire Arctic basin.”
HAHAHAHA. I busted out in laughter on this one and
FORGOT I was sitting in a coffee shop. I got a few raised eyebrows on that one.
I am sorry but that is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time.
CHRIS
Norfolk, VA

Ellie in Belfast (08:50:24) :
Without a global “fear” i do not think any goverment would think further into the future than their elected period . There would be nothing done for sustainability , just as in the past 40 years .

Anthony, I was wondering if you had any comments about the weather forecasts being so far out this winter? It would be interesting to hear an insiders perspective. Thanks to Clive for the info and that was the weather guy that I was thinking of. I quite enjoy him, and am not bothered in the least by the inaccuracy of his (or others) forecasts. I have learned to prepare for whatever contingency transpires, warm, cold, or (as in Calgary) all of the above, lol !! :^) ___________________________________________________________ I have embraced weather in all it’s forms, and am always in awe of the world we live in, cold or warm. I encourage all sheep to look up from their grazing ( I am also a sheep, who just happened to be told to look up by someone I admire). In the lee of the mountains we are treated to amazing cloud formations. I am particularly fascinated by “lenticulars” which form as the prevailing winds roll over the mountains. Very cool to see, as it looks like a gigantic snake made of cloud crossing the sky. I also find the jet stream to be an unsung hero of the meteorological world. What an astounding piece of work by the nature of our world. Similar in many respect to the “streams” (rivers of water in water) in our oceans. How can one not appreciate these things? It was not long ago that we did not survive if we did not understand our local weather and indicators. Even then, there are no guarantees . Keep adapting, ……..
REPLY: Robert Heinlein once quipped:
Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get.
That pretty much sums it up. In talks I am invited to give, I routinely tell people that we cannot forecast weather beyond about one week with any reasonable skill, even with the complex computers and computer models of today.
Most of the advances in forecasting skill have come about through better observational methods, mostly satellite and radar. These have improved the accuracy of the persistence type forecast methods markedly.
Uncertainty and chaotic motion rule the atmospheric process, not linearity. I don’t think climate is much better, as while the short term (10-30 years) may appear “linear” the longer terms are still greatly affected by chaos and uncertainty that are parts of earth’s systems.
As humans, our vision tends to be linear due to our short term memory.
– Anthony

Anthony, thank you for your response. Loved the Heinlein page. If I understand your response correctly, the models used are linear based with a 10-30 year history. So the weather we are getting is outside that linear frame, hence the inaccuracy of the forecasts. I am not talking about the long range forecast either, which would logically be difficult, but of 24 hour forecasts not even being close. This has been happening all winter. My friends across the prairies have said the same thing for their forecasts. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan and Winnipeg, Manitoba have had brutal winters. I will understand if you do not have the time for a discussion of this nature (pardon the pun).

B Kerr:
You’re missing the most important part…you get to KEEP the PARKA.
Talk about bling. AND instant party cred. No AGWer would DARE challenge me at a cocktail party if I was wearing THAT.
I already ask people when they’re going to go see ANWR.
Anyway…this amazing voyage is now headlined on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2009/03/14/wolf.tweel.tech.cnn
Worth a watch so you can see the newsettes giggling about following them on Twitter. The reporter covereing the story also explains about 2/3rds the way in that if the ice melts, then the oceans will absorb “…all that heat” that would normally be reflected off by the ice.
There ya go. Its settled, once again.
JimB

David Ball:
If you haven’t read Heinlein, I heartily recommend starting with “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”. If you can’t find it in print, it will be at used bookstores. Talk about an eye-opening author! Almost every folly and stupid political move described in his books can be observed in every “modern” first world country, including our own. His lessons about how politics work should be required reading for everyone.
I’ve lived in Calgary for 45 years now, I have yet to see any kind of accurate weather forecasting (other than the most obvious, when it’s been stable for several days and there are no visible changes on their way). Some years back, I think it was the late 80s, Environment Canada brought in a meteorologist from the East who got everything so incredibly wrong it was horrifying. They let this go for a few years before finally replacing him with someone more local.
Meanwhile, check the forecast page at http://www.wx.ca for what I consider a good sanity check. Usually the two forecasts are very divergent, but I find if I average them I can make plans.

“91% of respondents forecast that 2009 minimum ice extent will be greater than 2008” Really? Because most average people agree with a statement makes it true? I can see that as an opinion of whether or not a movie sucked but to leave the truth of science in the hands of laymen’s opinion is ludicrous, and I don’t mean the rapper.
p.s. Heinlein is a genius. I have read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Right on point. Check out The Door Into Summer if you want to see how he anticipated the Roomba and many other automatic devices back in the 50s. Of course he toyed with the time travel paradox, but that is forgiven.

durwin2point0, the 2009 minimum extent will depend on the incoming Arctic Current as well as the vortex of winds that circle (kind of) the Arctic. If the current goes warm (it is part of the AMO so it could do that real quick since it fluctuates much more wildly than the PDO does), and the winds push ice out warmer latitudes, it is possible that the extent will be close to 07-08, meaning that 09 will see a lot of melt. However, if the current goes colder and the winds stay calm, the melt may very well be less than 07 & 08 summer melt. To summarize: I’m not watching the global temperature or CO2 stuff for this. I am watching jet stream patterns and predicted AMO.

durwin2point0,
Perhaps we should ignore laymen’s opinions and leave the triillion dollar decision making to experts like Al Gore, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Gordon Brown, and Leonardo Di Caprio.

John Finn (12:20:55) :

No he wasn’t. UAH readings increased while GISS, Hadley & RSS went down.

You may have missed it, I gave you the numbers in a another message.
GISS January 0.51 February 0.41 Move -0.1
RSS January 0.32 February 0.23 Move -0.09
UAH January 0.3 February 0.36 Move +0.06
HADCRUT January 0.37 February 0.34 Move -0.03

Relative to the same period GISS was coolest; UAH the warmest.