Above: Al’s high five on ice caps (gone in five years)
Guest post by Steven Goddard
Gore says he has also detected a shift in the view of many business leaders. “They’re seeing the writing on every wall they look at. They’re seeing the complete disappearance of the polar ice caps right before their eyes in just a few years,” .
Responding to James Lovelock, the originator of the Gaia theory, who said the European trading system for carbon was “disastrous”, Gore says: “James Lovelock has forgotten more about science than I will ever learn. “
“Recent headlines have proclaimed that Arctic summer sea ice has decreased so much in the past few years that it has reached a tipping point and will disappear very quickly. The truth is that there is little evidence to support this. Indeed, the record-breaking losses in the past couple of years could easily be due to natural fluctuations in the weather, with summer sea ice increasing again over the next few years.
In a WUWT reader’s poll earlier this month, 91% of respondents forecast that 2009 minimum ice extent will be greater than 2008 – apparently agreeing with Dr. Pope’s comment above. Perhaps Al Gore should swap his Nobel Prize with people who have a better aptitude for learning science.
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I worked on this program. What crying shame!
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/03/defense-firms-s.html
Global Hawk could be used to detect midwest levy faults before
the 2009 floods come.
Business leaders do certainly see the writing on the wall. They are very attuned to political and marketing culture. They really don’t care much about science, unless it affords them an opportunity to make money.
BTW, when Gore said “polar ice caps,” did he mean the north AND south poles? The south isn’t a cap anyway…
Anthony
I hope you won’t snip me as the political comment is directly related to my understanding of the link I post.
The British contributors here already know of our govts record of eroding our traditional freedoms and its growing hysteria about climate change-an area where Gordon Brown intends to save the world.
Here we have the two coming together in the perfect storm, which should make our American contributors particularly fearful as you are but a few years behind us.
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.asp
Follow the lead story ‘trips abroad to be logged’.
I have posted on this subject before as it is linked to the enthusiasm of a powerful environmental parliamentary committee to introduce personal carbon cards and tax our carbon fuelled movements.
The fact that credit card details and an exact itinerary will be required before any international travel can take place should enable us all to see where this one is heading.
Note to the non Brits , because of our geography International travel is a much more common occurence than in Austraila or the US, the latter of which already has a draconian check of its incoming visitors-I can’t comment on the regulations for those going outside the country.
Tonyb
actually, the current global ice levels are at the 21 year mean from 1979 to 2000. if you were to include the last 8 years in that mean (which seems somewhat reasonable) we would no doubt be above the mean…..
Al Gore sees lawsuits coming from every direction. There are laws about scamming people for profit.
I’m passing this along to my audienbce of the great unwashed, it goes well with the Obama/UN solving the global warming problem post i put up yesterday.
What a ~snip~ twit-cue monty python-and ballsy too. For the carbon credit Ponzi scheme king to tell businesses he’s coming for their money; that takes some large ones.
OT, but here we are at the Ides of March, and Seattle is getting socked again by snow according to the National Weather Service:
hmmmm….
The globe’s temperature is rising…
The sea levels are rising…
Hurricanes are increasing in number and intensity…
I wonder if Seattle-area residents buy into any of this any more?
Business leaders see regulation written on the wall, hope that hostile environment eliminates weaker competitors.
Guardian: Al Gore says “business leaders see the writing on every wall they look at”
Well, yes, that is because Mr. Gore and his friends are writing AGW graffiti on every wall they see.
“Robert Bateman (09:36:27) :
How’s about a billboard campaign? Put that pic of Gore holding up his hand and the caption: 5 years no more polar ice. It’s put up or shut up time.
Call.:
I like the idea, but we’d need a couple of thousand.
JimB
Well, yes, that is because Mr. Gore and his friends are writing AGW graffiti on every wall they see.
Just got reminded to watch 12 Monkeys. Remember, that movie about how a mad scientists and a group of wealthy young activists ushered in armageddon? 😉
Does anyone but me remember Y2K hysteria? It provides a road map for the trajectory of AGW:
1) A theoretical construct of doom was presented.
2) First-class technical minds explored the possibilities and, either consciously or unconsciously, found continuing personal reward in findings affirming the construct.
3) Once a “critical mass” of belief in the construct was achieved in the public domain, the construct became a “self-fulfilling prophesy”; something that “everyone knew was true”. The bond rating agencies were forced by the investing public’s perception to respond and corporate America was in turn forced spend $ billions to prove a negative in the form of “Y2K compliance”. Much of that money flowed to the very people who had “spooked the herd” in the first place.
4) After over a decade of massive spending on preventative measures by some countries and almost no such spending by others (their having taking the position that, “We’ll just get up on the morning of the apocalypse and fix what doesn’t work), January 1, 2000 came and went. After a week of scurrying about the world looking for Y2K calamities and finding almost nothing, the media simply faded out the story and moved on to “the next big thing”.
5) The human herd merely shrugged and moved on (many with useless emergency generators gathering dust in their basements). The herd not only exhibited no outrage over how badly it had been misled, it exhibited absolutely no interest in examining the process that had brought about the whole sorry episode of outlandish overreaction to a relatively straightforward problem in the first place.
I was one of the lonely “Nay-Sayers” during the whole Y2K buildup, but was forced by the bond rating agencies into helping spend $150 million in Y2K compliance measures on behalf of my company. The mass delusion was so pervasive that I couldn’t even talk my own brother out of buying an emergency generator, even though he knew full well that I had designed many of the nation’s electric power systems and had assured him utility generators would not shut down just because they didn’t know exactly what day it was.
Extinctions, drought, flood, malaria, and now sub-prime gets added to the list.
“…sub-prime carbon assets”
Welcome to Al Gore’s nightmare.
At long last Mr. Gore, have you no shame?
Gore says he has also detected a shift in the view of many business leaders…
Not surprising, they are either rent-seekers:
Vaclav Klaus: …The “warmists” (another nice term) succeeded also in creating incentives which led to the rise of very powerful rent-seeking groups. These rent seekers profit
– from trading the licenses to emit carbon dioxide;
– from constructing unproductive wind, sun and other equipments able to produce only highly subsidized electric energy;
– from growing non-food crops which produce non-carbon fuels at the expense of producing food (with well-known side effects);
– from doing research, writing and speaking about global warming, etc.
http://www.klaus.cz/Klaus2/asp/clanek.asp?id=KaTffYUet0Rm
or being some clueless CEO with a golden parachute clause in their contract that will be out of their job anyway before the PC BS they are pushing affects negatively the business they pretend to run
http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/03/use-less-energy-campaign-vladimir-putin.html
Creating and encouraging rent-seekers is the safest way for a government to create strong support for their policies.
When I hear this stuff, it really scares me. Honestly and deeply.
What if temperatures continue their slow rise, as they seem to have done this year? How can I not be so scared? I have no faith in our ability to really reduce carbon usage if that does turn out to be the problem.
This sea ice rubbish couldn’t be more exaggerated.
I put together SteveM’s presentation at the IPCC – words with slides. IMO it’s a must read. He has it posted in separate sections on CA.
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/steve-mcintyres-ipcc-presentation/
“Robert Bateman (09:36:27) : How’s about a billboard campaign?”
I’m am thinking it could be a billboard saying :
————————–
. Global warming?
. You sure?
. WattsUpWithThat.com
————————–
The four words Watts-Up-With-That each in a different color to make them individually stand out and be quickly recognized when you’re driving.
People could come here and click for hours and hours.
“We now have several trillion dollars worth of sub-prime carbon assets”
Is Gore talking about his pile of unsellable carbon creds here?
Pamela Gray (09:26:59) :
Arctic seas are anything but a stable pool of water and solar heating is a seasonal glancing blow at best, and a miss at worst. Okay, now figure thermodynamics.
Correct!
At the poles, the heat gained by solar radiation is negligible compared to the heat gained via convection (mass transport, ocean currents, etc). The rate of heat transfer from the oceans to the atmosphere is dependent on the temperature difference and the dew point of the overlying air mass. This is more significant at high latitudes, of course, where the air temp is much colder. When ice covered, the poles are not nearly as effective at transporting heat from the ocean to the atmosphere (where it can be radiated into space or incorporated into meteorological processes). Thus, from a thermodynamics viewpoint, arctic ice does not “cool” the ocean, and ice free arctic does not “warm” the ocean. Rather, the opposite is true.
Alas, this is not intuitively obvious, and so people often get all confused and claim that Arctic ice is a positive feedback for cooling, and a reduction in arctic ice is a positive feedback for warming, which history shows us is impossible.
well, this is a topic for another post…
cheers!
Al Gore is quoted as saying:
“They’re seeing the complete disappearance of the polar ice caps right before their eyes in just a few years,” .
Not everyone is seeing the complete disappearance of polar ice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7897392.stm
They have had a days rest and started off again on Friday 13th.
They are doing fine apart from Martin’s blister which burst today and that they have lost feeling in our fingers and toes.
They have seen polar bear tracks, there are polar bears near by.
“On the menu today is chicken stew with dumplings!”
That should attract the polar bears they just love dumplings!
Yum yum.
http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/We_are_not_alone!
I’m annoyed the BBC are not keeping me up to date.
Did anybody notice that the UK parner with whom Al set up his ‘Generation Asset Management’ is called David Blood –
Blood and Gore – you couldn’t make it up! 🙂
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/4990704/Nobody-listens-to-the-real-climate-change-experts.html
As for the public, remember that almost half of them still believe that Al Gore won the election, and was supposed to be president. It’s no likely that they will suddenly say “Crap!…This guy’s a LIAR!”. At least those that don’t frequent WUWT.
JimB
Don’t be so certain, Jim B. As someone who followed the process in Texas when Bush was Gov and the Florida presidential election, I “know” that the election was stolen from Gore. And I am a liberal and I voted for him. Today I am glad George W. Bush was our President and am appalled by the Nobel Committee’s foolishness and Al Gore’s behavior . Many others are, too. His father would be even more appalled. I also followed the nominating process very closely during this election cycle — corruption and fraud everywhere. Few liberals are Democrats anymore; we have become Independents. The party in power actually is Progressive/Marxist.
So take heart. There are many who have seen the error of their ways. And desperation is oozing out of every pore of AGWers because the public is becoming more educated and the world is cooling — evil CO2 is their main ticket to power and control. Those truths and the fact that the old media is in a tailspin financially and in the number of viewers/readers can give hope to the work that the new media — blogs like WUWT — is doing.
Every other apocalyptic vision has eventually been laughed out of town. This one should follow suit as well — unless the hopeful controllers of the earth’s future have garnered (by fraud and corruption) a tipping point of wealth. Even then we have the example of the American Revolution.
“I just want to know how a guy who takes energy efficiency and environmentalism seriously gained so much weight in three years. What happened to his low carbon lifestyle?”
Great point. It’s carbohydrates, not carbonates that are his personal nemeses!