UPDATE2: “404 Page not found” now at the BBC for this video on Monday Feb16th. It seems they’ve pulled it. Too much “negative feedback” I suppose. Readers be on the alert for any retractions.
UPDATE: BBC Can’t even get their reporting correct. The reporter in this video report that accompanies the web article says that “The fear is that increased global warming could set off what’s called negative feedback…..” and that now we are in “scenarios unexplored by the models”. No kidding, it’s that bad. For those of you that don’t know, some alarmists claim that “negative climate feedback is as real as the Easter Bunny, which is what makes this BBC factual error so hilarious.
Readers please let the BBC know that they have no idea what they are talking about. Just click here. – Anthony
Click above to watch the BBC video
Guest post by Steven Goddard
On Wednesday, normally stalwart UK global warming promoter – The Guardian, ran this remarkable headline, which was also covered here on WUWT:
‘Apocalyptic climate predictions’ mislead the public, say experts’
The Met Office Hadley Centre, one of the most prestigious research facilities in the world, says recent “apocalyptic predictions” about Arctic ice melt and soaring temperatures are as bad as claims that global warming does not exist. Such statements, however well-intentioned, distort the science and could undermine efforts to tackle carbon emissions, it says.
Undaunted and defiant, their comrades in global warming arms at the BBC, chose this as the lead story for Sunday morning:
‘Global warming ‘underestimated’
The severity of global warming over the next century will be much worse than previously believed, a leading climate scientist has warned.
….
“We are basically looking now at a future climate that is beyond anything that we’ve considered seriously in climate policy,” he said. Prof Field said the 2007 report, which predicted temperature rises between 1.1C and 6.4C over the next century, seriously underestimated the scale of the problem. “
BBC employs the old standby icon - a polar bear
Prof Field said rising temperatures could thaw Arctic permafrost
One fatal flaw with the BBC story is that Chris Field is not a climate scientist, as they claimed. He is actually a Professor of Biology in an Ecology Department. So how does the BBC choose their headlines? In matters of global warming, apparently the apocalyptic words of one American ecologist overrule those of the UK’s own government climate scientists at The Met Office. Chris Field clearly does not have any credentials to be making the climate claims the BBC reported. This looks more and more like a Shakespearean comedy every day.For them all together; which maintained so politica state of evil that they will not admit any goodpart to intermingle with them.William Shakespeare – from ‘Much Ado About Nothing’
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Corrinne Novak
February 15, 2009 11:46 am
J.Peden said “What! The omniscient GCM’s did not anticipate the increasingly massive coal-fired CO2 emissions from India and China – when the Kyoto Protocols specifically excuded these Countries from having to follow them – probably because the ipcc does not even believe its own mechanism of AGW and its catastrophe?”
Where do you think the Transnational Corporations are moving their factories to? India and China. Carbon credits go to BUILD those factories and The Trans Nationals do not want regulations and high wages getting in the way of profit. The World Trade Organization’s “Agreement on AG” and the World Bank, IMF “Structural Adjustment Policies” strips land from farmers in the EU, USA Canada and third world countries, so they can “vertically integrate” food production to sell to China.
Is there anything significant that happened between the 1995 World Trade Organization’s Agreement on Agriculture and 2002 to spur Big Ag into trying to drive farmers off their land in the USA? click
“With China’s entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO) in December 2001, U.S. agricultural interests were hopeful that longstanding barriers to trade with that vast and growing market would begin to fall…With a 1.2 billion population, rising incomes, and a growing middle class, China has enormous potential as a market for U.S. food and agricultural products….” quoted straight from a Congressional Research Service Report: Agriculture: U.S.-China Trade Issues, October 16, 2002 click
MGW has nothing to do with Science and everything to do with GREED. Al Gore also has his sticky fingers in getting rid of American farmers.
“At a recent ceremony at the White House, Vice President and presidential candidate Al Gore let slip what many have long believed was his real intention as regards to U.S. agriculture.
“While presenting a national award to a Colorado FFA member, Gore asked the student what his/her life plans were. Upon hearing that the FFA member wanted to continue on in production agriculture, Gore reportedly replied that the young person should develop other plans…” Ag Journal, Billings, Montana: My Ag Extension Service Agent was there and heard Gore make this statement. The agent was blisteringly angry that politicos had plans to get rid of American farmers.
They one thing I do not understand is if the EU, USA and Canada are reduced to third world status and taxed to death, who is going to buy their products? India and China??
thefordprefect
February 15, 2009 12:08 pm
By heck,!!!!!
It is a report!!!! that is all:
“Speaking at the American Science conference in Chicago, Prof Field said fresh data showed greenhouse gas emissions between 2000 and 2007 increased far more rapidly than expected. ”
It is not the BBC speaking, they are reporting an event.
Perhaps if the “everything is wonderful” group were to actually post some research of their own (rather than pulling apart others work which is always too easy) the BBC would report this.
Are there any real research reports proving that AGW is not happening – I know there are plenty saying AGW reports are lies, invalid, distortions,etc. What I want to see is a real report showing that GW is not happening, or is not caused by increase in CO2 or other GHG.
Mike
Richard M
February 15, 2009 12:30 pm
thefordprefect (12:08:27) :
“Are there any real research reports proving that AGW research reports proving that AGW is not happening – I know there are plenty saying AGW reports are lies, invalid, distortions,etc. What I want to see is a real report showing that GW is not happening, or is not caused by increase in CO2 or other GHG.”
I always love these backwards challenges. How about you showing natural climate change is not happening first?
Steve in SC
February 15, 2009 12:53 pm
All this just goes to show that Goebbels was right.
The media has taken it upon themselves to be our source for public enlightenment and propaganda.
Ellie in Belfast
February 15, 2009 1:51 pm
TonyB (11:00:22) , Smokey, excellent! If I might add….
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge — even to ourselves — that we’ve been so credulous.” Carl Sagan
“Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.” Michael Crichton
I don’t want to alarm you guys, but I think that polar bear might starve to death, stranded on that piece of ice like no other polar bear ever has been for all eternity, before man caused global warming.
Polar bears can’t swim, or so I’m told! Let’s make less CO2 so that poor bear can keep living, ok?
I’d love to talk more about this, but we just bought a new jet, and I wanted to take the family up for a few hours in it. Nah, we’re not going anywhere. Just some Sunday flying.
But you guys should make less CO2. Think of the polar bears, people. The polar bears.
Ron de Haan
February 15, 2009 2:55 pm
And while we are “debating” the legislation of “Green Policies” that will influence and change our lives for good are upon us.
Are we stupid or what? REPLY: I’ve been pondering this as of late, replying to trolls on blogs does nothing valuable for society. We’d all be more effective putting the same effort into writing our legislators. – Anthony
Just want truth...
February 15, 2009 2:59 pm
“Boris (07:26:13) : Let me get this straight, WUWT is complaining that a non-climate scientist featured in the media makes unsubstantiated claims that go against the consensus view of the IPCC?”
This thread is about the BBC not understanding what it is doing. Your assertion is off beam. You, unknowingly, have confirmed that the BBC doesn’t know what it is doing.
Just want truth...
February 15, 2009 3:00 pm
“We’d all be more effective putting the same effort into writing our legislators. – Anthony”
Interesting thought.
Steven Goddard
February 15, 2009 3:22 pm
Former astronaut speaks out on global warming
Sunday, February 15, 2009
SANTA FE, N.M. – Former astronaut Harrison Schmitt, who walked on the moon and once served New Mexico in the U.S. Senate, doesn’t believe that humans are causing global warming.
“I don’t think the human effect is significant compared to the natural effect,” said Schmitt, who is among 70 skeptics scheduled to speak next month at the International Conference on Climate Change in New York.
Schmitt contends that scientists “are being intimidated” if they disagree with the idea that burning fossil fuels has increased carbon dioxide levels, temperatures and sea levels.
“They’ve seen too many of their colleagues lose grant funding when they haven’t gone along with the so-called political consensus that were in a human-caused global warming,” Schmitt said. http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view/2009_02_15_Former_astronaut_speaks_out_on_global_warming/srvc=home&position=recent
Philip_B
February 15, 2009 3:33 pm
The three countries most responsible, per capita, for filling the air with carbon dioxide from fossil fuels are the UK, the US and Germany, in that order.
Hansen is simply wrong on this. Persian Gulf states, (Qatar, Bahrain, etc) are far ahead in per capita CO2 emissions. Cheap energy
The USA, Canada and Australia lead develop countries, followed by surprisingly by Singapore (all that air conditioning plus a lot oil refining).
Note Canada has a substantially higher per capita energy consumption than the USA and Australia, but has far more nuclear and hydroelectricity. You need a lot more energy to live in a cold climate than a warm to hot climate.
Also surprisingly Ireland (a country with almost no heavy industry or coal) emits more CO2 per capita than Germany or the UK, likely due to the fact they have no nuclear power. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/env_co2_emi_percap-environment-co2-emissions-per-capita
Arn Riewe
February 15, 2009 4:39 pm
Re: Ben Kellett (11:35:09) :
“Still trying to discover why up spikes are adjusted down the way while down spikes don’t seem to be adjusted by NSIDC in their sea ice daily analysis.”
Can’t comment on the rationale, but have you noticed the press releases are always framed in the negative:
Latest release 2/3/2009: “Ice extent averaged for January 2009 is the sixth lowest January in the satellite record.” Nothing about recoveries from record lows of 2007.
To be fair, some of their commentary has discussed polar wind and ocean circulation patterns contributing to ice melt, but mostly, they’re rooting for the low ice totals to trumpet disaster scenarios.
Keep an eye on global sea ice averages which are near 30 year averages: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg
Issac Asimov joined Mensa, and had this to say about it: “Furthermore, I became uncomfortably aware that Mensans, however high their paper IQ might be, were likely to be as irrational as anybody else.”
I joined Mensa in 1974. Our admission criterium is that you score in the 98th percentile on an IQ test means that we are at least two standard deviations from average. So, why should we be expected to fit in with anything else?
I met Isaac a couple times at Mensa events. His fear of flying(!) generally kept him in the Boston-New York area.
I like to think of IQ as the MSG of aptitudes – by itself it has little to offer, however, it helps you make the most of your other aptitudes.
Boris
February 15, 2009 5:55 pm
“This thread is about the BBC not understanding what it is doing. Your assertion is off beam. You, unknowingly, have confirmed that the BBC doesn’t know what it is doing.”
Try rereading Goddard’s post. Look for the term “fatal flaw.”
Philip_B (15:33:05) :
“The three countries most responsible, per capita, for filling the air with carbon dioxide from fossil fuels are the UK, the US and Germany, in that order.”
Hansen is simply wrong on this. Persian Gulf states, (Qatar, Bahrain, etc) are far ahead in per capita CO2 emissions. Cheap energy
I suggest you reread that sentence, it doesn’t say what you think it does.
HasItBeen4YearsYet?
February 15, 2009 6:10 pm
“Readers please let the BBC know that they have no idea what they are talking about.”
They’ve never listened to me before. What makes you think this time will be any different?
Field is one of the heads of the IPCC, so he knows what he is talking about. And nothing wrong w the BBC reportage – that’s what Field said. I was there. REPLY:Mr. Leahy thank you for your tremendously valuable firsthand insight. Explain then the difference between positive and negative climate feedbacks and why there’s a fear that AGW will cause a negative feedback. – Anthony
Corrinne Novak
February 15, 2009 8:29 pm
“We’d all be more effective putting the same effort into writing our legislators. – Anthony”
There are a lot of us who have woken-up and realized there are major problems in Washington DC. I have notice those who are awake have similar issues they are worried about. Global Warming Hoax, the USDA/FDA/WTO manufactured food safety recalls, the banking crisis….
If we are headed towards an mini ICE AGE I figure FOOD is a number one priority because once farmers are gone we are in deep equine feces so I joined:
R CALF click
R CALF is very aggressive in tackling the USA government. I haven’t seen anything on the carbon tax yet but I expect to see it soon.
National Independent Consumers and Farmers Association click
This is more of a grassroots attack at the state level group.
They are both fighting goverment and the carbon tax as well as corporate take over of the food supply.
Track bills AND comment at click
Checkout the reports that goes to our congress critters at WIKILEAKS
Congressional Research Service Reports click
These guy (WIKILEAKS) definately deserve support. The “Disinformation” fed to our Congress critters by the Congressional Research Service deserves watching. The one report I have read so far was bias and completely ignored farmers even though it was about the farm bill. It talked about industry concerns (Cargill and Monsanto) and foreign trade but the only comment about individual farmers stated farmers WANTED Animal ID because of disease concerns. STOP NAIS (Animal ID) made it to #17 at change.org so that was an outright lie!
Has anyone else wondered whether the global takeover of farmland and the global warming hoax are because the elite believed the reports of “global cooling” thirty years ago. It would explain the Global Diversity Treaty. click The Seed Banks and the USDA insisting that DNA samples of all livestock shown by 4hers be placed in a DNA bank….
If Al Gore and Maurice Strong buy land near the equator we are definately in deep equine feces. Meanwhile I have already moved south and bought my farmland just in case.
Field’s point was the fact that the rate of CO2 emissions from fossil fuels is accelerating means that ecosystems like oceans and forests that absorb CO2 can’t keep pace. One of the negative feedbacks of climate change is the loss of Arctic ice leaving more open water to absorb heat from the sun….but I am sure you know this. REPLY:So then you disagree with the Grist report saying “negative feedback is as real as the easter bunny”?
Re-read the Grist article and we’re not talking about the same thing here — there are all kinds of feedbacks in the climate system. Action-reaction types of feedbacks. I don’t know anything about this notion of some huge negative feedback that will prevent warming. That would be nice but so would the Easter Bunny.
I used the term “negative feedback” subjectively i.e. as a bad thing and incorrectly. Melting Arctic ice is a positive feedback in terms of adding more heat to the oceans which in turn leads to more melting.
Sorry for the confusion, but this does illustrate one of the problems of communication between scientists and the public.
REPLY: Sure whatever.
Brendan H
February 15, 2009 11:02 pm
B Kerr (03:14:44): “The BBC is a disgrace. I can no longer watch the 6 o’clock BBC news.”
True. The other day I was watching the BBC world service and a reporter claimed that we are facing a global recession that might be worse than previously feared. (Note the weasel words “might be” and the scary term “feared”.)
I was needlessly worried and spent an anxious day at work waiting for the axe to fall. In fact, nothing unusual happened. One could say that it was an ordinary working day, well within normal historical parameters.
So, for me it’s goodbye alarmist BBC, hello fair and balanced Fox.
Richard Heg
February 15, 2009 11:54 pm
CNN have this story complete with calfing glaciers, powerstation cooling towers, polar bears, solar panels on a cloudy day and greenpeace activist.
At the start it says “leading scientist have been told…” not that the leading scientists said but they were told, if they were so leading then you would think they would be the ones doing the telling. These reports are just backgound noise i dont think most people listen. http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/02/15/smith.uk.global.warming.itn
The BBC report stating: “The fear is that increased global warming could set off what’s called negative feedback…..” could be correct, in which case their climate alarmism should be pointing to the risks of a new ice age, surely?
Or it could merely be the climate doing what the climate has always done in regulating itself. What the alarmists call climate change, I call self regulation.
J.Peden said “What! The omniscient GCM’s did not anticipate the increasingly massive coal-fired CO2 emissions from India and China – when the Kyoto Protocols specifically excuded these Countries from having to follow them – probably because the ipcc does not even believe its own mechanism of AGW and its catastrophe?”
Where do you think the Transnational Corporations are moving their factories to? India and China. Carbon credits go to BUILD those factories and The Trans Nationals do not want regulations and high wages getting in the way of profit. The World Trade Organization’s “Agreement on AG” and the World Bank, IMF “Structural Adjustment Policies” strips land from farmers in the EU, USA Canada and third world countries, so they can “vertically integrate” food production to sell to China.
Is there anything significant that happened between the 1995 World Trade Organization’s Agreement on Agriculture and 2002 to spur Big Ag into trying to drive farmers off their land in the USA? click
“With China’s entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO) in December 2001, U.S. agricultural interests were hopeful that longstanding barriers to trade with that vast and growing market would begin to fall…With a 1.2 billion population, rising incomes, and a growing middle class, China has enormous potential as a market for U.S. food and agricultural products….” quoted straight from a Congressional Research Service Report: Agriculture: U.S.-China Trade Issues, October 16, 2002 click
MGW has nothing to do with Science and everything to do with GREED. Al Gore also has his sticky fingers in getting rid of American farmers.
“At a recent ceremony at the White House, Vice President and presidential candidate Al Gore let slip what many have long believed was his real intention as regards to U.S. agriculture.
“While presenting a national award to a Colorado FFA member, Gore asked the student what his/her life plans were. Upon hearing that the FFA member wanted to continue on in production agriculture, Gore reportedly replied that the young person should develop other plans…” Ag Journal, Billings, Montana: My Ag Extension Service Agent was there and heard Gore make this statement. The agent was blisteringly angry that politicos had plans to get rid of American farmers.
They one thing I do not understand is if the EU, USA and Canada are reduced to third world status and taxed to death, who is going to buy their products? India and China??
By heck,!!!!!
It is a report!!!! that is all:
“Speaking at the American Science conference in Chicago, Prof Field said fresh data showed greenhouse gas emissions between 2000 and 2007 increased far more rapidly than expected. ”
It is not the BBC speaking, they are reporting an event.
Perhaps if the “everything is wonderful” group were to actually post some research of their own (rather than pulling apart others work which is always too easy) the BBC would report this.
Are there any real research reports proving that AGW is not happening – I know there are plenty saying AGW reports are lies, invalid, distortions,etc. What I want to see is a real report showing that GW is not happening, or is not caused by increase in CO2 or other GHG.
Mike
thefordprefect (12:08:27) :
“Are there any real research reports proving that AGW research reports proving that AGW is not happening – I know there are plenty saying AGW reports are lies, invalid, distortions,etc. What I want to see is a real report showing that GW is not happening, or is not caused by increase in CO2 or other GHG.”
I always love these backwards challenges. How about you showing natural climate change is not happening first?
All this just goes to show that Goebbels was right.
The media has taken it upon themselves to be our source for public enlightenment and propaganda.
TonyB (11:00:22) , Smokey, excellent! If I might add….
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge — even to ourselves — that we’ve been so credulous.” Carl Sagan
“Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.” Michael Crichton
I don’t want to alarm you guys, but I think that polar bear might starve to death, stranded on that piece of ice like no other polar bear ever has been for all eternity, before man caused global warming.
Polar bears can’t swim, or so I’m told! Let’s make less CO2 so that poor bear can keep living, ok?
I’d love to talk more about this, but we just bought a new jet, and I wanted to take the family up for a few hours in it. Nah, we’re not going anywhere. Just some Sunday flying.
But you guys should make less CO2. Think of the polar bears, people. The polar bears.
And while we are “debating” the legislation of “Green Policies” that will influence and change our lives for good are upon us.
Are we stupid or what?
REPLY: I’ve been pondering this as of late, replying to trolls on blogs does nothing valuable for society. We’d all be more effective putting the same effort into writing our legislators. – Anthony
“Boris (07:26:13) : Let me get this straight, WUWT is complaining that a non-climate scientist featured in the media makes unsubstantiated claims that go against the consensus view of the IPCC?”
This thread is about the BBC not understanding what it is doing. Your assertion is off beam. You, unknowingly, have confirmed that the BBC doesn’t know what it is doing.
“We’d all be more effective putting the same effort into writing our legislators. – Anthony”
Interesting thought.
Former astronaut speaks out on global warming
Sunday, February 15, 2009
SANTA FE, N.M. – Former astronaut Harrison Schmitt, who walked on the moon and once served New Mexico in the U.S. Senate, doesn’t believe that humans are causing global warming.
“I don’t think the human effect is significant compared to the natural effect,” said Schmitt, who is among 70 skeptics scheduled to speak next month at the International Conference on Climate Change in New York.
Schmitt contends that scientists “are being intimidated” if they disagree with the idea that burning fossil fuels has increased carbon dioxide levels, temperatures and sea levels.
“They’ve seen too many of their colleagues lose grant funding when they haven’t gone along with the so-called political consensus that were in a human-caused global warming,” Schmitt said.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view/2009_02_15_Former_astronaut_speaks_out_on_global_warming/srvc=home&position=recent
The three countries most responsible, per capita, for filling the air with carbon dioxide from fossil fuels are the UK, the US and Germany, in that order.
Hansen is simply wrong on this. Persian Gulf states, (Qatar, Bahrain, etc) are far ahead in per capita CO2 emissions. Cheap energy
The USA, Canada and Australia lead develop countries, followed by surprisingly by Singapore (all that air conditioning plus a lot oil refining).
Note Canada has a substantially higher per capita energy consumption than the USA and Australia, but has far more nuclear and hydroelectricity. You need a lot more energy to live in a cold climate than a warm to hot climate.
Also surprisingly Ireland (a country with almost no heavy industry or coal) emits more CO2 per capita than Germany or the UK, likely due to the fact they have no nuclear power.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/env_co2_emi_percap-environment-co2-emissions-per-capita
Re: Ben Kellett (11:35:09) :
“Still trying to discover why up spikes are adjusted down the way while down spikes don’t seem to be adjusted by NSIDC in their sea ice daily analysis.”
Can’t comment on the rationale, but have you noticed the press releases are always framed in the negative:
Latest release 2/3/2009: “Ice extent averaged for January 2009 is the sixth lowest January in the satellite record.” Nothing about recoveries from record lows of 2007.
To be fair, some of their commentary has discussed polar wind and ocean circulation patterns contributing to ice melt, but mostly, they’re rooting for the low ice totals to trumpet disaster scenarios.
Keep an eye on global sea ice averages which are near 30 year averages:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg
TonyB (11:00:22) :
I joined Mensa in 1974. Our admission criterium is that you score in the 98th percentile on an IQ test means that we are at least two standard deviations from average. So, why should we be expected to fit in with anything else?
I met Isaac a couple times at Mensa events. His fear of flying(!) generally kept him in the Boston-New York area.
I like to think of IQ as the MSG of aptitudes – by itself it has little to offer, however, it helps you make the most of your other aptitudes.
“This thread is about the BBC not understanding what it is doing. Your assertion is off beam. You, unknowingly, have confirmed that the BBC doesn’t know what it is doing.”
Try rereading Goddard’s post. Look for the term “fatal flaw.”
Philip_B (15:33:05) :
“The three countries most responsible, per capita, for filling the air with carbon dioxide from fossil fuels are the UK, the US and Germany, in that order.”
Hansen is simply wrong on this. Persian Gulf states, (Qatar, Bahrain, etc) are far ahead in per capita CO2 emissions. Cheap energy
I suggest you reread that sentence, it doesn’t say what you think it does.
“Readers please let the BBC know that they have no idea what they are talking about.”
They’ve never listened to me before. What makes you think this time will be any different?
Field is one of the heads of the IPCC, so he knows what he is talking about. And nothing wrong w the BBC reportage – that’s what Field said. I was there.
REPLY:Mr. Leahy thank you for your tremendously valuable firsthand insight. Explain then the difference between positive and negative climate feedbacks and why there’s a fear that AGW will cause a negative feedback. – Anthony
“We’d all be more effective putting the same effort into writing our legislators. – Anthony”
There are a lot of us who have woken-up and realized there are major problems in Washington DC. I have notice those who are awake have similar issues they are worried about. Global Warming Hoax, the USDA/FDA/WTO manufactured food safety recalls, the banking crisis….
If we are headed towards an mini ICE AGE I figure FOOD is a number one priority because once farmers are gone we are in deep equine feces so I joined:
R CALF click
R CALF is very aggressive in tackling the USA government. I haven’t seen anything on the carbon tax yet but I expect to see it soon.
National Independent Consumers and Farmers Association click
This is more of a grassroots attack at the state level group.
They are both fighting goverment and the carbon tax as well as corporate take over of the food supply.
Track bills AND comment at click
Checkout the reports that goes to our congress critters at WIKILEAKS
Congressional Research Service Reports click
These guy (WIKILEAKS) definately deserve support. The “Disinformation” fed to our Congress critters by the Congressional Research Service deserves watching. The one report I have read so far was bias and completely ignored farmers even though it was about the farm bill. It talked about industry concerns (Cargill and Monsanto) and foreign trade but the only comment about individual farmers stated farmers WANTED Animal ID because of disease concerns. STOP NAIS (Animal ID) made it to #17 at change.org so that was an outright lie!
Has anyone else wondered whether the global takeover of farmland and the global warming hoax are because the elite believed the reports of “global cooling” thirty years ago. It would explain the Global Diversity Treaty. click The Seed Banks and the USDA insisting that DNA samples of all livestock shown by 4hers be placed in a DNA bank….
If Al Gore and Maurice Strong buy land near the equator we are definately in deep equine feces. Meanwhile I have already moved south and bought my farmland just in case.
Field’s point was the fact that the rate of CO2 emissions from fossil fuels is accelerating means that ecosystems like oceans and forests that absorb CO2 can’t keep pace. One of the negative feedbacks of climate change is the loss of Arctic ice leaving more open water to absorb heat from the sun….but I am sure you know this.
REPLY:So then you disagree with the Grist report saying “negative feedback is as real as the easter bunny”?
Yes.
Re-read the Grist article and we’re not talking about the same thing here — there are all kinds of feedbacks in the climate system. Action-reaction types of feedbacks. I don’t know anything about this notion of some huge negative feedback that will prevent warming. That would be nice but so would the Easter Bunny.
I used the term “negative feedback” subjectively i.e. as a bad thing and incorrectly. Melting Arctic ice is a positive feedback in terms of adding more heat to the oceans which in turn leads to more melting.
Sorry for the confusion, but this does illustrate one of the problems of communication between scientists and the public.
REPLY: Sure whatever.
B Kerr (03:14:44): “The BBC is a disgrace. I can no longer watch the 6 o’clock BBC news.”
True. The other day I was watching the BBC world service and a reporter claimed that we are facing a global recession that might be worse than previously feared. (Note the weasel words “might be” and the scary term “feared”.)
I was needlessly worried and spent an anxious day at work waiting for the axe to fall. In fact, nothing unusual happened. One could say that it was an ordinary working day, well within normal historical parameters.
So, for me it’s goodbye alarmist BBC, hello fair and balanced Fox.
CNN have this story complete with calfing glaciers, powerstation cooling towers, polar bears, solar panels on a cloudy day and greenpeace activist.
At the start it says “leading scientist have been told…” not that the leading scientists said but they were told, if they were so leading then you would think they would be the ones doing the telling. These reports are just backgound noise i dont think most people listen.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/02/15/smith.uk.global.warming.itn
The BBC report stating: “The fear is that increased global warming could set off what’s called negative feedback…..” could be correct, in which case their climate alarmism should be pointing to the risks of a new ice age, surely?
Or it could merely be the climate doing what the climate has always done in regulating itself. What the alarmists call climate change, I call self regulation.