Surfacestations update – we are within sight of the goal

I’m pleased to announce that the project has reached a major milestone, with 67% of the 1221 USHCN network now surveyed.

819 of 1221 stations have been examined in the USHCN network. Of the 819, 807 have been assigned a site quality rating. In some of those cases we’ve found the stations closed, or we are waiting for supplemental information to enable assigning a rating.

The Google Earth map below shows current coverage. We are in sight of the goal. However there are still some holes, especially in south Texas, Alabama, Idaho, Arkansas, Missouri and Illinois.

See this Google Earth generated image. The circles with question marks are stations left to be surveyed.


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A Google Earth USHCN Station Rating Map (KML file used to generate the above image) is available – download here

You can download the Google Earth application for free from this link

Sincere thanks to Gary Boden for this contribution! This is a very useful tool to help locate stations as hi resolution lat/lon values and descriptions are available from each map icon. Of course, Google Earth will also plot driving directions too.

I’m hoping to reach a minimum of 75% before I start doing data analysis. I want to find more rural stations, with the hope of finding more of the better sited stations since the lions share is comprised of CRN3-5 stations. I’m hoping those of you that live near some of these “holes” can help. if you can, please leave a comment below and I’ll help you locate stations. You’ll also need to visit the website and register as a volunteer. It’s free and easy.

Here is what the current rating breakdown looks like:


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For those unfamiliar with the rating system, it is identical to the one used by NOAA/NCDC to select sites for their new Climate Refernece Network (CRN) They drew this rating scheme from a paper published by Michel Leroy, of MeteoFrance, that he devised for their meteorological network. Here are the details:

Climate Reference Network Rating Guide – adopted from NCDC Climate Reference Network Handbook, 2002, specifications for siting (section 2.2.1) of NOAA’s new Climate Reference Network:

Class 1 (CRN1)- Flat and horizontal ground surrounded by a clear surface with a slope below 1/3 (<19deg). Grass/low vegetation ground cover <10 centimeters high. Sensors located at least 100 meters from artificial heating or reflecting surfaces, such as buildings, concrete surfaces, and parking lots. Far from large bodies of water, except if it is representative of the area, and then located at least 100 meters away. No shading when the sun elevation >3 degrees.

Class 2 (CRN2) – Same as Class 1 with the following differences. Surrounding Vegetation <25 centimeters. No artificial heating sources within 30m. No shading for a sun elevation >5deg.

Class 3 (CRN3) (error >=1C) – Same as Class 2, except no artificial heating sources within 10 meters.

Class 4 (CRN4) (error >= 2C) – Artificial heating sources <10 meters.

Class 5 (CRN5) (error >= 5C) – Temperature sensor located next to/above an artificial heating source, such a building, roof top, parking lot, or concrete surface.”

Here is how the survey status breaks down by state. States highlighted have less than 50% coverage and are in the need of the most help from volunteers.

State Number of Stations Survey Report Done Percent Reported
Alabama 15 8 53%
Arizona 26 21 81%
Arkansas 15 7 47%
California 54 54 100%
Colorado 25 17 68%
Connecticut 4 4 100%
Delaware 5 4 80%
Florida 22 21 95%
Georgia 23 20 87%
Idaho 26 17 65%
Illinois 36 13 36%
Indiana 36 33 92%
Iowa 23 13 57%
Kansas 32 27 84%
Kentucky 13 7 54%
Louisiana 18 17 94%
Maine 12 10 83%
Maryland 17 9 53%
Massachusetts 12 12 100%
Michigan 24 19 79%
Minnesota 33 30 91%
Mississippi 32 25 78%
Missouri 25 11 44%
Montana 44 27 61%
Nebraska 45 27 60%
Nevada 13 13 100%
New Hampshire 5 4 80%
New Jersey 12 8 67%
New Mexico 28 17 61%
New York 59 28 47%
North Carolina 29 26 90%
North Dakota 24 15 63%
Ohio 26 15 58%
Oklahoma 45 36 80%
Oregon 41 28 68%
Pennsylvania 24 11 46%
Rhode Island 3 3 100%
South Carolina 29 20 69%
South Dakota 24 11 46%
Tennessee 15 12 80%
Texas 48 24 50%
Utah 40 24 60%
Vermont 7 6 86%
Virginia 19 7 37%
Washington 44 35 80%
West Virginia 13 6 46%
Wisconsin 22 13 59%
Wyoming 33 26 79%

For those that wish to help here is what you need to do:

1. Visit and register as a volunteer. It’s free and easy.

2. Look over the the How To Guide for surveying a station. All you need is a digital camera, and optionally a portable GPS, but it is not mandatory. A GPS that can get you to a lat/lon you enter is helpful though.

3. Find a station that is unsurveyed by using either the Google Earth KML file download above, or by looking for stations with no entries yet in the Surfacestation image gallery database

When you decide on stations to survey, drop a comment here to make sure we don’t get duplication of effort.

4. Locate the details on station that you want to survey. The KML file has popup ballons for each station that gives details, and you can get lat/lon from doing a right click and “properties” for a station in Google Earth.Google Earth can give you driving directions. Note that lat/lon values are not alway accurate. I’ve seen them spot on, and sometimes they are as much as a 1/2 mile off., but they’ll generally get you close.

You can also visit the NCDC MMS database here: and use the “guest login” button. Then do a search for the station name and match up with the city and the USHCN station # ID in the Google Earth KML file balloon. Getting that USHCN ID# right is crucial, as some towns may have 2 or three COOP stations which are not part of the USHCN network. Once you find the right station, click on the link. Be sure to note iuf it says “current” or not.

Another clue to make sure you have the right station in the NCDC database is the “station type” field which will say something like “COOP-A, COOP, LAND SURFACE, A, A” If there is no “A” in the description, then it is not a climate station.

Also check the “Location tab” in the NCDC database, which will say something like like “fire station” or “sewage treatment plant”…you maye have to look down a few entries from the top. Once you have that, some Google web searches will often help you narrow down a likely street address if the Google Earth imagery doesn’t help you visualize the location.

The “Equpiment tab” is also useful, since it will tell you what to look for. Here is a photo link that has most of the usual components of a climate station hat will help you get an idea.

5. If you determine that the station is located at a private residence, you’ll need help locating the observer. For that you need to find the observer name. Thankfully these exist on the NCDC database also, as a signature on many of the B91 forms the observers send in. To find B91 forms with observer names, go to this url:

Then narrow down the state and station name in the web form, and click through to see what B91 forms are available, if you don’t see any within the last 6 -12 months, chances are the station is closed (a growing problem).

Download one and you may see an observer name at the lower right. A web lookup for the name and address may lead you there. Most private observers are interested and helpful. Just be sure that you advise them that you only want to get photos of their station and immediate surroundings (6 photos minimum: NSEW at about 20-30 feet, and two overall wide shots showing the station in relation to it’s surrounding) and that you are not going to reveal their names, addresses or phone numbers in any way, or any other private info.

6. Plan your trip. If you have trouble, or need help locating a station, drop a comment here.

7. Set your camera for 3.1 megapixels (2048×1536) for best results. Or use a photo editor program later to shrink the images to that size if you use a higher resolution. High resolution is good for long distance shots, such as are sometimes required when the station is at a fenced public facility like a water plant. You can then later crop out areas of the hi-res image. It’s like having an extra zoom level. All images should be 2 megabytes or less in size for uploading.

8. Fill out the station survey form (available here ) as best you can, making notes about the station. be sure to save it as a Adobe Acrobat PDF file, which is what is need to upload into the database. A free print to PDF application is available here at should you need one.

9. Navigate to the empty folder for the station you surveyed at the Surfacestation image gallery database and click on “add a photo” or “add items” on the left menu. Don’t try to do them all at once, as you may get a time out if your connection speed is slow. Doing 4 at a time really works well. Here at this link is what a completed survey looks like after uploading.

10. Drop us note at info { at } surfacestations dot org to let us know! Or if you need help.

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January 25, 2009 7:26 pm

Is there an effort going forward in Canada to do the same thing?

Robert Bateman
January 25, 2009 7:29 pm

Doesn’t look very promising for doing anything but reading heat island weather. If we paved over the US entirely, at least we’d be measuring the real world.

January 25, 2009 7:35 pm

Prioritize the stations in Arkansas that need to be done, and if feasible, I’ll do some of them.
REPLY: Will do, look for an email soon. – Anthony

January 25, 2009 7:36 pm

In my humble opinion this is an incredibly important effort. Thanks for having the foresight and wherewithal to make this happen.
Imagine, data which people can agree on.

January 25, 2009 7:46 pm

I’m getting a 404 error when I try to download the map. I see an unchecked station near me, but would need a more detailed map to find it.
REPLY: Fixed, try it now. Anthony

January 25, 2009 7:50 pm

Hello Anthony,
I live in Alabama and will be happy to help. I’ll register and you can call on me anytime.
Thanks for keeping this going.
Joel Black
REPLY: Great, let me know when you have completed registration at the website. – Anthony

Fred Gams
January 25, 2009 7:53 pm

Congratulations Anthony!
This is a great achievement which should have been done by those scientists who use the data.

Allan M R MacRae
January 25, 2009 7:54 pm

United States and Global Data Integrity Issues
By Joseph D’Aleo, CCM, AMS Fellow
Jan.27, 2009
Issues with the United States and especially the global data bases make them inappropriate to use for trend analysis and thus any important policy decisions based on climate change. These issues include inadequate adjustments for urban data, bad instrument siting, use of instruments with proven biases that are not adjusted for, major global station dropout, an increase in missing monthly data and questionable adjustment practices.

Tom in Texas
January 25, 2009 8:00 pm

Anthony, I’ve been to your surfacestation site, but was unable to find which stations in Central/South Texas were surveyed and which were not.
I accidentally found what looked like a survey done at the San Antonio International Airport when I Googled it, and Temperature, and your site came up near the top.
Is there a database listing unajusted temperatures? I’d like to see if I can “tease out” the UHI effect of a newly completed clover leaf next to SAIA (SAT), using trends from surrounding stations. Google Earth shows the before picture. Also found a good after photo.
REPLY: Google NCDC and then use the “free data” link. That will give you original unadjusted and unfilled data in PDF and tabular form for individual stations. – Anthony

Tom in Texas
January 25, 2009 8:02 pm

I think I may have googled SAIA and weather station.

January 25, 2009 8:03 pm

This project is one of the things that drew me to your blog, originally.

January 25, 2009 8:10 pm

This is a major achievement. When 69% of the surveyed stations that are used to report official temperatures are artificially 2 – 5 degrees too high, it would appear that putative global warming is not nearly as much as has been claimed.
This is how science was done from the Enlightenment until WWII, by people interested in finding out what’s up with that, before big money began to alter the process. I don’t recall Einstein, Tesla or Newton applying for government grants.
Kudos for pursuing the truth — a rare commodity these days.
REPLY: Thanks, but a caveat. Those error values are estimates (from NCDC and Michel Leroy, not mine) and may vary significantly with distances, structures, terrain, vegetation, and surfaces nearby the station. NCDC adopted this system mainly to choose the best possible sites. The real issue is how few CRN1 and CRN2 rated sites exist in the network. Those still unsurveyed of that caliber are the ones I want to find. – Anthony

January 25, 2009 8:24 pm

I just registered at surfacestations. I live in Southwesten Colorado (Pagosa Springs) and am near a number of unsurveyed sites. I am always traveling through Durango, Saguache, Del Norte, Chama (NM), Aztec (NM), etc. I can get started as soon as I am “okayed”.
Rob Emigh
REPLY: You should have a reply email with a confirmation link to click on by now. Stand by for some instructions and “help-how to” to be posted here – Anthony

Tom in Texas
January 25, 2009 8:26 pm

Wow, there’s a lot data available at that link:
REPLY: Hey Tom, there are a number of stations near San Antonio that need surveyed. Do you think you could help? – Anthony

Tom in Texas
January 25, 2009 8:34 pm

Do you think you could help? – Anthony
Sign me up. How “near” ?

Tom in Texas
January 25, 2009 8:43 pm

Anthony, just found the KML help info on Google Earth.
Will try to get your map to function in the am.

January 25, 2009 8:48 pm

I’m officially “okayed” and ready to go.
REPLY: See instructions I’ve added above – Anthony

January 25, 2009 9:05 pm

Funny, Just the other day I read at one of the sanctioned AGW sites that the purveyors of (that’s us) had lost interest in the process of surveys and has become nothing more than a mouthpiece for denialists.

January 25, 2009 9:35 pm

I just signed up as well Anthony. I didn’t realize how bad Illinois was covered. There are at least 3 stations within 1.5 hours of me.

January 25, 2009 9:45 pm

In Japan, Junsei Kondo, Professor emeritus of Tohoku University (one of the top-rated governmental universities) has surveyed Japanese stations for years:
(sorry for the language)
His main conclusion is: out of some 100-150 stations, only 3 or 4 stations are reliable as to the measurement criteria, and others excrete craps.
Hoping this could help you somehow.

January 25, 2009 9:53 pm

Ellen and I are planning a trip to Idaho in August to survey stations on the west side of the state. I know that is quite a few months away, but unless others can get there sooner, we will survey as many stations as we can find.

January 25, 2009 9:54 pm

I first visited this site after googling something along the line of “how is global average temperature measured”. In my ignorance, I was expecting to be referred to some sort of definitive temperature measurement organisation, perhaps operated for many years by the UN or an Ivy League university. What I found was a startling reality. Global average temperature is calculated from reports from “old-fashioned” weather stations of the kind situated at my old school and from satellite measurements going back only thirty years.
One of the references provided was to surfacestations and another to WUWT. The rest is history, for me very important history. I have learned more than I ever thought I would know about the scientific arguments on both sides of the AGW debate. Not that I pretend to understand the technical details of any of it, but I do understand the English language and both sides have been explained clearly and politely on WUWT by people of great technical knowledge who have been prepared to spend their time translating jargon into words and concepts a non-scientist can understand.
In every field of investigation it is important to examine the primary evidence carefully because the strength of the primary evidence dictates the inferences that can be drawn from it. It also sets the parameters for analysis of secondary evidence. For example, we might accept a margin of error of 2% in secondary evidence if the primary evidence has a margin of error of 1%, but we cannot sensibly do so if the primary evidence has a margin of error of 3%.
What is chillingly clear from your survey to date, Mr Watts, is that much of the primary evidence relied upon by those asserting imminent disaster is affected by a huge margin of error. Even more chilling is that those who argue the most vociferously for drastic and expensive action against CO2 do so without acknowledging the clear defects in the primary evidence they rely upon.
Like other commenters before me, I thank you for the wonderful work you have done and look forward to learning even more in the months and years ahead.

January 25, 2009 9:59 pm

Anthony, I see there are a few stations in Western Washington still to be done, but can’t zoom in well enough to see what they might be. do you have a link to the actual google maps page so I can see if they are within my grasp?

Fred Gams
January 25, 2009 10:13 pm

On a previous topic of interest…
Possible natural explanation found for West Antarctica’s warming
South Pole – In 2008, scientists from the British Antarctic Survey reported a layer of volcanic ash and glass shards frozen within an ice sheet in western Antarctica [the same place the one degree Fahrenheit warming has been reported]. The volcano beneath the ice sheet “punched a hole right through” due to its heat and force. This geologic event (a volcano) may prove to be the source of the recent warming seen in West Antarctica in what has otherwise been reported as a 50-year cooling trend seen in East Antarctica.
Dr. David G. Vaughan of the British Antarctic Survey said, “This is the first time we have seen a volcano beneath the ice sheet punch a hole through the ice sheet.”
From The New York Times:
“Heat from a volcano could still be melting ice and contributing to the thinning and speeding up of the Pine Island Glacier, which passes nearby, but Dr. Vaughan doubted that it could be affecting other glaciers in West Antarctica, which have also thinned in recent years. Most glaciologists, including Dr. Vaughan, say that warmer ocean water is the primary cause.”

January 25, 2009 10:49 pm

Heh, i’d love to do Olga, WA, it’s only about 24 miles straight-line distance, but only accessible by ferry. Would have to go to the Orcas Island ferry landing, then drive from there. Will have to see if I can talk the wife into it.
Cle Elum and Stehekin are in or over the passes, not a good time to attempt them right now, especially this year.
I see Seattle hasn’t been done, looks like the station is supposed to be at Husky Stadium. I could give that one a go too.
Just got a GPS for Xmas, gotta break the sucker in.

Jim B in Canada
January 25, 2009 10:49 pm

Hi Peter and fellow Canadians,
I was the “Gentleman” Anthony alluded to in the previous post who had attempted to start a Canadian survey As Anthony also pointed out in 2007, at the same time I started the project my 2 year old boy contracted Chron’s disease and spend a few months in hospital not allowing any work on any projects. When he finally was stabilized I tried going back into the system but found I had much less time, and it was much more difficult to find the weather stations than I thought. Several people did come forward to help out, but the project really needs the experience on a qualified meteorologist or climatologist to head the project.
I am willing to start the project up again if I can find someone experienced to head it up, I’m very good at server management and web design, but I have no meteorological or climate science experience.
Jim B
REPLY: Hi Jim, I knew that, but didn’t want to put you on the spot by announcing your name. Thanks for the note. – Anthony

Big Haz
January 25, 2009 11:13 pm

Your list seems to be missing some important US colonies – like Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico & Guam. Why’s that? Doesn’t the US Gov’t collect any useful climate data there?

They do, but the USHCN was a subset of the larger COOP network specifically for CONUS. – Anthony

Alan S. Blue
January 25, 2009 11:38 pm

Jeff & Anthony,
About the Seattle station, I don’t think the lat/long are sufficiently accurate to narrow that one down. About three blocks south and three west is the Seattle Yacht Club @ 1807 E Hamlin St. (About 1500 feet due southwest in Google maps) This happens to be right next to a NOAA Fisheries building, and I think this is ‘the correct’ site for this station.
If you switch back and forth between the various source material, you’ll see “Portage bay” and “Seattle Yacht Club” pop up in some of the ancillary information. (It’s been awhile, so I’ve forgotten the details.)
The height puts it on the roof of the building which visually has some clear indications of weather monitoring gear.

January 26, 2009 12:06 am

What about the eastern coast of Australia? Anything happening there?

Jeff B.
January 26, 2009 12:31 am

Too bad they closed that one on Seattle if it was on a rooftop or near the Husky Stadium parking lot. That would have been a nice hot one, good for Hansen to try and “influence the nature of the measurements obtained.”

Jacques Corbin
January 26, 2009 1:24 am

I had a look at the station list database in
It looks like this list has not been updated since long, or at least that the table at the end was not (says 536 stations were surveyed).
Are there any newest table somewhere, or plans to update ?
Many thanks to all for this extraordinary piece of team work !
REPLY: That will not be updated until I have a chance to do my own analysis first. I reserve the right to be able to analyse and publish the results from my own project before others. Then of course that data will be made publicly available. – Anthony

January 26, 2009 1:30 am

FatBigot: there are also satellite measurements, and they agree quite well in general with station-based ones.

January 26, 2009 1:52 am

What, no survey done yet in Stehekin, WA yet? I can’t vouch for the station, but I am pretty sure it isn’t effected by an urban heat!
There are no roads to Stehekin, a 55 mile boat ride through the deepest gorge in North America, a float plane or a long hike is the only way in.
This site has to be in the running for the least accessible site in the continental US.
It is a beautiful place!

January 26, 2009 3:27 am

I see that there are several in far upstate NY not far from my home. I will try to plan some weekends over the next several months. If anyone else can get to them earlier, that would be great. If not, by summer, I should be able to have these done.

January 26, 2009 4:29 am

Is there a contact for the UK survey? Do you know if it is possible to get involved in some way?
Many thanks

January 26, 2009 4:32 am

Just registered and would like to help. I live in VA and travel extensively in most of the states in the NE (East of the Mississippi and from VA/KY north to the Canadian border) for business so a prioritized list would be great and I will survey some as I pass by. Also, I vacation each summer at Priest Lake, ID so I can certainly hit the Priest River station and maybe Sandpoint or some in the Spokane, WA area.

Chris H
January 26, 2009 4:36 am

sonicfrog wrote “Funny, Just the other day I read at one of the sanctioned AGW sites that the purveyors of (that’s us) had lost interest in the process of surveys and has become nothing more than a mouthpiece for denialists.”
You’d think that the pro-AGW people would want to *help*, as surely better data will prove their point, and perhaps shut some of us up… Of course it is a lot easier to just throw insults & stay with the majority (aka “consensus”).

Robert Bateman
January 26, 2009 4:50 am

I am familiar with the Weaverville, RS. I went looking for where they moved it from the Weaverville, RS in 2003 and found it up behind the Weaverville Airport. Reason for this is that the local Meteorologist in Redding, CA couldn’t believe that a 2500 ft elevation station in Trinity County could beat out the hottest Sacramento Valley city in summertime temps.
The uptick in the Weaverville, RS graph probably dates the metal building erected there, otherwise the 1930’s would be our warmest on record.
I got in the Forest Service hair repeatedly, so they probably resurrected the Weaverville, RS weather station. I will have to go drive by and check to see if they simply put it up temporarily for pr.
REPLY: I surveyed that station over a year ago, it was moved to a private residence from it’s “hot” location. You can find it here:
At that time, the wife of the deceased station curator (the local long time pharmacist) was having medical issues, and there is a possibility the station has been closed or moved yet again. – Anthony

Gary in Olympia
January 26, 2009 5:23 am

One of the few places in WA that the Healy’s haven’t done yet is Grapeview. I decided to look at it on the “?” mark on the google map and the lat/lon puts the site a few miles SW in a salt water channel. Are the “?” marks at the lat/lon for the sites?

Pearland Aggie
January 26, 2009 5:28 am
January 26, 2009 6:18 am

when I look at the Google Earth app w/the overlay added, it shows two stations in Mass as question marks, Bedford and Great Barrington.
However, the list above shows Massachusetts as 12/12 completed?
If those stations need to be done I can probably help. I’ll be travelling to Great Barrington 2nd week of Feb, and could expand my trip. And Bedford is likely on the all-but-shutdown airbase…that could go either way.
REPLY: The states list was arrived at using a different method, some stations have been surveyed and submitted to the online database, but have not been put through QC yet. When we finish QC, then they will show up in the final tally.
In this case, Great Barrington was closed in November 2001, Bedford remains open, and does need surveyed, but apparently has been moved. – Anthony

Roger Jellum
January 26, 2009 6:43 am

Just registered. I live just outside Rocky Mount, VA so I can easily survey that site. I may also be able to get Farmville on my next trip to DC. Danville is fairly close by also.
REPLY: Thanks Roger, let me know if you need any help. Anthony

January 26, 2009 7:01 am

Your KML file download link goes to a page of code.

January 26, 2009 7:03 am

Oops, my question being: how do you get that into Google Earth?
REPLY: Right Click, “save Target as…” then save the file to disk, Open in GE – Anthony

January 26, 2009 7:23 am

wattsupwiththat (23:13:01) :
Jeff Alberts,
The Seattle site was closed in 1998. I think it got paved over by the stadium expansion. – Anthony

That’s ok, I’m sure there’s an adjustment for that. 😉

January 26, 2009 7:30 am

Gary in Olympia (05:23:41) :
One of the few places in WA that the Healy’s haven’t done yet is Grapeview. I decided to look at it on the “?” mark on the google map and the lat/lon puts the site a few miles SW in a salt water channel. Are the “?” marks at the lat/lon for the sites?

I was surprised there wasn’t one on Whidbey Island, where I live. I’m sure there’s something on the NAS, but that wouldn’t be part of the station networks we’re looking at.
p.s. Whidbey NAS got their first EA-18G Growler, sucker was flying right over my house a week ago (didn’t have the camera handy then). I snapped this picture the same day of a rare clear day in January, from my kitchen window. Looking soutwest across Crescent Harbor toward the Olympics:

January 26, 2009 7:38 am

Thanks. I managed to figure it out. Sorry for the trouble.

January 26, 2009 8:10 am

I’ve looked at it quickly a couple of times and I think there’s an error somewhere (sorry if this has already been mentioned).
The pie chart immediately below the Google Earth map shows almost 60% CRN1 and 20% CRN2. So I expect to see a lot of CRN1 and CRN3 in the map. But the map is strngly dominated by CRN4.
Did i miss something?

January 26, 2009 8:12 am

Nevermind – the “CRN=4” looks very much like “CRN=1” on the pie chart. It’s a resolution problem with the chart. Thanks again.

January 26, 2009 8:22 am

as for Canada, I can contribute inspecting Quebec stations, Montreal where I am living, maybe other cities as well. But, I can start working by mid March.

January 26, 2009 8:55 am

the usual components of a climate station hat

Very peculiar hats.

January 26, 2009 9:04 am

I’ve gotten the Ok from the Company Commander (read: wife) to give the Olga, WA station a go. So some weekend in the next month or so we’ll try to get out there. She tried to talk me into waiting until it was warmer, but lots of whining changed her mind 😉
I’ve been reading through the survey How-to, looks pretty straightforward. The biggest challenge with Olga will be locating the right property, since Google Maps doesn’t have good imagery for that area.
We might even do the Cle Elum and Stehekin sites in the summer (after the melt…) if they haven’t already been done.

January 26, 2009 9:16 am

Article in this month’s “Weather” (journal of the (UK) Royal Meteorological Society):
“Using Google Earth to Evaluate GCOS Weather Station Sites”
by I.C. Strangeways

January 26, 2009 9:19 am

Anthony, I see there are GISS Global stations. Are they being surveyed too? Looks like there’s one on Whidbey NAS, which is about 3 miles from my house.
The Lat and Lon from the link above place it about 1.6 miles offshore in the middle of the Sound, and about 3 miles from the base proper.

January 26, 2009 9:26 am

I live near Pittsburgh, PA. I see some gaps in west central PA and east central Ohio. Id be more than willing to help out with those. Let me know which ones need to be looked at around there.

January 26, 2009 9:45 am

The lat/lon for Grapeview, WA is also in the middle of the water, no islands visible that would make sense…

January 26, 2009 9:59 am

Anthony: I see there are still a couple of unsurveyed stations in SW Oregon. Let me know the locations and I’ll try to survey them.
REPLY: Will do. Brookings and a powerhouse which is near Medford, I’ll look up and email you. – Anthony

January 26, 2009 10:53 am

Jeff Albers: We are neighbors. I would like to talk to you. If you are interested, please contact me at:

January 26, 2009 10:54 am

I’m in south Alabama, and it looks like there are three sites, maybe more depending on the actual location, that I might be able to get to. I’ve just signed up at and am awaiting further info.

January 26, 2009 11:33 am

Email sent, Paddy.

January 26, 2009 12:10 pm

Ok, I’m confused.
I may be able to get a few of the Colorado stations, like the one in Canon City (USHCN number 51294).
However, when I do a search on MMS using that number, I get nothing at all.
What’s up with that?
REPLY: try switching the selector to COOP ID and then search – Anthony

January 26, 2009 1:26 pm

I can handle Hernando, MS and Covington, TN. Once again my previous plans fell through, so I’ll try to be realistic & say by March 31st.
My volunteer for Corinth, MS backed out. If it’s still needed this summer, I’ll be traveling through there myself.
REPLY Need ’em faster than that if possible. – Anthony

January 26, 2009 1:31 pm

From Google earth, I’m not sure which stations still need to be done around me. Can you send an email with the nearest ones?
REPLY: and you are where? – Anthony

Robert Bateman
January 26, 2009 1:45 pm

Anthony: That station in your link is the Weaverville US Forest Service building.
The highway you see is 299W. I drove by it this morning. Nothing changed there from your images. Perhaps the previous ‘hot’ location was up behind the Lonnie Pool Airport (I have visited that one too…usfs Fire Weather Station to be exact.
There is a much more accurate station up on Oregon Hill Summit (299W about 5 miles west of USFS Weaverville Ranger station). It is a Cal-Trans station, and it does not suffer from the blistering readings of the the Weaverville Stations.
The reason being that air flow at the top counteracts the Highway (>25m distant).

January 26, 2009 2:12 pm

Do you have either of these? If not, I can survey them for you:
IDAHO/ADA [BOISE AIR TERMINAL] 1898-12-01 Current 101022 24131 BOI 72681 20005225 [ 43.5666
43°33’59.76″N ] -116.2405
116°14’25.8″W AIRPORT: 2857 FEET
IDAHO/ADA [BOISE LUCKY PEAK DAM] 1951-01-01 Current 101018 None None None 20005224 [ 43.5253
43°31’31.08″N ] -116.0542
116°03’15.12″W GROUND: 2840 FEET
REPLY: Thank you but, neither of these are USHCN stations, in fact there is no USHCN station in Boise. These are regular COOP stations.
See the stations in the Idaho folder that have/have not been surveyed.

Robert Wood
January 26, 2009 3:23 pm

Best thing people like me can do is DONATE!!!!

Robert Wood
January 26, 2009 3:26 pm

Peter, I started looking at Canada, being based in Ottawa. I got the list of stations but Canada is a really big place … as you know :^).
I could only do two (NRC, Ottawa, and Brockville) which seemed a bit pointless.

January 26, 2009 3:54 pm

I can do Glenn’s Ferry for you… it is right next to the airport. I have flown in there before.

Chris D.
January 26, 2009 4:30 pm

Anthony, just sent you what I could as a start for White Hall, IL.

January 26, 2009 5:41 pm

The happy town of Morris Illinois. I applied to the surfacestations project but haven’t received an email yet.

January 26, 2009 5:47 pm

Actually, if there is an up to date file where I could be sure that it wasn’t looked at yet I would be happy to do the legwork. I just don’t want to waste several hours if the work has been done.
– Buy a man a fish or teach a man to fish 🙂
REPLY: Just visit the gallery and look at the stations surveyed. That’s update date daily. and select the USHCN > state of interest – Anthony

January 26, 2009 7:19 pm

Hi Jim B, Anthony, and all,
For those interested in looking at Canadian stations I might be of some help. I have a Ph.D. in Cloud Physics and worked 25 years at Environment Canada’s AES/MSC in Toronto, and I still know a lot of people involved in atmospheric, weather and climate research there. I could possibly help, for example, locate station information and other data.
Unfortunately, I don’t have time available to lead the effort to evaluate Canadian surface stations, though I could look at individual stations in and around Kamloops, BC. I already run a charity called “FogQuest: sustainable water solutions” on a full-time volunteer basis. It provides water to villages in arid regions using very large fog collectors. I mention this because a changing climate affects where we can produce water. One positive thing to come out of more low-cloud over the oceans, if it occurs, is that there will be more of it to be pushed by the wind over coastal hills and mountains, which will produce fog in these locations, and thus more water for trees and plants adapted to collecting the fog droplets, and more water for FogQuest to provide to people. Also, colder sea (and land) temperatures lead to lower cloud base heights, which in turn will lead to more frequent fog on mountains and longer duration fog events. This will deposit more fog water in places like coastal California, the west coast of South America, and many other coastal and inland locations.
There is an informal association of retired professionals from the Meteorological Service of Canada, Jim, and you may find a suitable person in that group to help. I’ll send you a contact person’s name and address.

January 26, 2009 8:06 pm

I also would like to offer up my congratulations and thanks for this effort. I am fairly new to the ranks of the “skeptics”, but I’m scared to death by the looming disaster that could be foisted upon the world by the “concensus” scientists and their alarmist backers in government. Let’s hope that minds can be changed before we undertake the largest and most damaging tax in the history of mankind.
Could someone point me to a study that shows US temp trends broken out by station rating (or is this the core reason that you have undertaken this effort)? I have read much about the UHI effect and how some climatologists have not disclosed how they “adjust” their data for same. I would be very curious to see how the UHI impacts the lower quality stations compared to the higher quality stations using unadjusted numbers.
REPLY: Thanks, the study you ask for has yet to be written. -Anthony

Chris D.
January 26, 2009 8:15 pm

Well…for Pete’s sake, White Hall, IL, has been done already. What’s that old saying about assuming?

January 26, 2009 9:03 pm

Oops. Sorry about that!

January 26, 2009 9:04 pm

Need ‘em faster than that if possible. – Anthony
Struck a deal with Mrs General tonight after intense negotiations. 😉
End of February at the latest on Hernando & Covington. I’ll exhaust every contact I have down in the Corinth area. Hope I can get another volunteer.

January 27, 2009 7:35 am

AEGeneral (21:04:24) :
Struck a deal with Mrs General tonight after intense negotiations. 😉

Lol, you too, eh?

Fred Harwood
January 27, 2009 8:10 am

Anthony, I live 5 miles south of the Gr. Barrington airport in SW Mass.
What can I do to help with that station?

January 27, 2009 8:27 am

– Buy a man a fish or teach a man to fish 🙂

Buy a man a fish and he’ll stink up the place. Give a man a fishing pole and he’ll poke in the eye with it. 😉

January 27, 2009 9:10 am

I was unable to take a photo of it because the plane was already on the runway, but at Geneva airport Switzerland I spotted a surface weather station, nicely white, sited on grass, but regrettably only 40 metres from the runway. The aircraft’s engine exhausts were being blown by the wind straight onto the weather box. Now that’s science!

Mike Fox
January 27, 2009 7:00 pm

My wife and I will do Three Lynx, Oregon, in the next couple of weeks. If I can get away for a while I’ll wander off into the wilds and try to get Condon. With even more time, beautiful Baker City and Malheur!
I’ve got great pix of Fossil, but it’s not on the list!!!

Pamela Gray
January 27, 2009 10:09 pm

Anthony, I see that Wallowa, Oregon has two stations. One appears to be a private residence has moved to a slightly different location downtown. The other is at the ranger station. I can survey these but will need a bit of guidance as to your surfacestation website. I was there today and got lost. It could be due to the fact that I had a couple of beers earlier, or it could be that I took a pain pill. Either way, email me and I should be able to accomplish what is needed.

Roger Knights
January 27, 2009 10:45 pm

Fred Gams: I urge you to post that material on the antarctic volcano on the thread of last week devoted to the topic, so that “the record” (which will be useful to future visitors) on that topic doesn’t get scattered and unfindable by a researcher.

yet another rice alum
January 29, 2009 4:16 am

are the questionable stations marked as “residence” ones that someone’s been to and been unable to get the owner to agree to a survey? Or is that information derived from another source?
there are three w/in an hour and a half of me all marked such. but if someone’s already tried, i don’t want to waste the trip.
REPLY: Residence means the station is located at somebody’s home. A private volunteer observer. They aren’t “questionable” the question mark icon simply means we don’t know anything about it. Happy to help you locate them if you can tell me which one. – Anthony

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