The pain in Maine

I don’t know if any of you readers have ever experienced temperatures that are down to -50°F, but it is painful to endure.

From the NWS WFSO in Caribou, Maine, a report of a new statewide low record event.  (h/t to Joe Bastardi via Jeff L). Unlike the WSFO in Chicago, which wants to throw out a statewide record low temperature because they don’t seem to trust the quality control on an AWOS station calibrated the day before in Rochelle, the WSFO in Caribou seems ready to consider the temperature recorded by a USGS gage. Ah, consistency.

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CARIBOU ME

0955 AM EST FRI JAN 16 2009

**********POTENTIAL STATEWIDE RECORD MINIMUM TEMPERATURE*************

AT 0730 AM EST THIS MORNING A USGS GAGE AT BIG BLACK RIVER RECORDED

A LOW TEMPERATURE OF -50F.  THIS EXCEEDS THE CURRENT STATEWIDE

RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE OF -48F SET ON JANUARY 19TH…1925 AT VAN

BUREN. THIS REPORT IS CONSIDERED UNOFFICIAL UNTIL A REVIEW OF THE

EQUIPMENT AND DATA BY THE STATE CLIMATE EXTREMES COMMITTEE AS TO

THE VALIDITY OF THIS REPORT. IF THE COMMITTEE ASCERTAINS THAT THIS

IS INDEED A VALID REPORT…A SEPARATE PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT

WILL BE ISSUED AT THAT TIME.

$$

PJR

But wait, there’s more from the Caribou WSFO:

Low Temperatures Recorded 16 January, 2009

Here are the preliminary temperature reports from January 16, 2009.

  • First is a map showing temperature reports across northern Maine.
  • Second is a listing of temperature reports from locations across northern Maine.

Our appreciation is extended to highway departments, cooperative observers, SKYWARN spotters and the media for these reports.

A special thanks is extended to the general public for phoning in reports via our automated system. Your help is appreciated and aided us greatly in updating our products.

Temps Map

***********************MINIMUM TEMPERATURES***********************

LOCATION            MIN TEMPS    TIME/DATE    COMMENTS

                     DEGREES        OF

                      (F)       MEASUREMENT

MAINE

...AROOSTOOK COUNTY...

   BIG BLACK RIVER        -50   831 AM  1/16 USGS BBRM1

   NINEMILE BRIDGE        -48   841 AM  1/16 USGS NINM1

   ALLAGASH               -47   722 AM  1/16 COOP ALGM1

   DICKEY                 -45   833 AM  1/16 USGS DICM1

   LILLE                  -45   717 AM  1/16 AR034

   MASARDIS               -45   840 AM  1/16 USGS MASM1

   CLAYTON LAKE           -44   832 AM  1/16 COOP CLTM1

   GRAND ISLE             -44   722 AM  1/16 SPOTTER

   OXBOW                  -43   842 AM  1/16 COOP OXBM1

   FORT KENT MILLS        -41   853 AM  1/16 AR054

   STOCKHOLM              -41   717 AM  1/16 SPOTTER

   VAN BUREN              -41   845 AM  1/16 COOP VANM1

   EAGLE LAKE             -40   902 AM  1/16 COOP EGLM1

   FORT KENT              -40   851 AM  1/16 COOP FISM1

   FOX BROOK              -40   835 AM  1/16 COOP FOXM1

   PRESQUE ISLE           -39   758 AM  1/16 AWOS KPQI

   LIMESTONE              -38   917 AM  1/16 COOP LIZM1

   CARIBOU WFO            -37   718 AM  1/16 ASOS KCAR

   MADAWASKA              -37   832 AM  1/16 AR037

   SHERMAN                -37   902 AM  1/16 AR072

   HOULTON                -35   838 AM  1/16 ASOS KHUL

   LIMESTONE              -35   717 AM  1/16 AR035

   FRENCHVILLE            -30   835 AM  1/16 ASOS KFVE

   ASHLAND                -28   716 AM  1/16 SPOTTER

   KNOWLES CORNER         -18   839 AM  1/16 COOP KNCM1

...HANCOCK COUNTY...

   WALTHAM                -30   725 AM  1/16 SPOTTER

   PENOBSCOT              -20   717 AM  1/16 HA037

   BAR HARBOR             -15   831 AM  1/16 AWOS KBHB

   ACADIA NATIONAL PARK   -10   830 AM  1/16 COOP ANPM1

   PROSPECT HARBOR        -10   842 AM  1/16 COOP PPHM1

   STONINGTON RAINWISE     -5   844 AM  1/16 COOP STOM1

...PENOBSCOT COUNTY...

   GRINDSTONE             -38   837 AM  1/16 USGS GRNM1

   SHIN POND              -38   843 AM  1/16 USGS SBSM1

   CORINNA                -31   852 AM  1/16 COOP CORM1

   OLD TOWN               -30   841 AM  1/16 COOP OLDM1

   MATTAWAMKEAG           -29   840 AM  1/16 USGS MATM1

   WEST ENFIELD           -28   845 AM  1/16 USGS WENM1

   BANGOR                 -24   831 AM  1/16 ASOS KBGR

   MILLINOCKET            -24   841 AM  1/16 ASOS KMLT

   PATTEN                 -24   842 AM  1/16 COOP PATM1

   SUNKHAZE N.W.R.        -22   843 AM  1/16 COOP SHZM1

   DIXMONT                -12   833 AM  1/16 COOP DIXM1

...PISCATAQUIS COUNTY...

   KOKADJO                -39   839 AM  1/16 COOP KKJM1

   ABBOT VILLAGE          -37   811 AM  1/16 USGS ABTM1

   BLANCHARD              -35   831 AM  1/16 USGS BLAM1

   GUILFORD               -35   723 AM  1/16 COOP GULM1

   RIPOGENUS DAM          -35   843 AM  1/16 COOP RIPM1

   SEBEC LAKE             -32   838 AM  1/16 COOP GREM1

   DOVER-FOXCROFT         -31   852 AM  1/16 COOP DFXM1

   MILO                   -24   851 AM  1/16 COOP MLDM1

   GREENVILLE             -21   837 AM  1/16 ASOS KGNR

...SOMERSET COUNTY...

   SAINT AURELIE          -44   844 AM  1/16 COOP STAM1

   TURNER BROOK RAWS      -38   845 AM  1/16 COOP TNBM1

...WASHINGTON COUNTY...

   DANFORTH               -35   833 AM  1/16 COOP DANM1

   WESLEY                 -31   845 AM  1/16 USGS WSLM1

   CHERRYFIELD            -28   831 AM  1/16 USGS CFDM1

   EPPING                 -26   835 AM  1/16 USGS EPPM1

   MOOSEHORN N.W.R.       -26   841 AM  1/16 COOP MWRM1

   MACHIAS                -25   840 AM  1/16 USGS MACM1

   DENNYSVILLE            -24   834 AM  1/16 USGS DVLM1

   PRINCETON              -22   842 AM  1/16 COOP PNNM1

   WHITING                -21   801 AM  1/16 WS038

   GRAND LAKE STREAM      -20   836 AM  1/16 COOP GLSM1

   TOPSFIELD              -20   852 AM  1/16 COOP TOPM1

   WAITE                  -20   722 AM  1/16 WS034

   EAST MACHIAS           -18   852 AM  1/16 COOP ESTM1

   JONESBORO              -14   838 AM  1/16 COOP JONM1

   JONESPORT RAINWISE     -13   839 AM  1/16 COOP JPTM1

   CUTLER RAINWISE        -12   833 AM  1/16 COOP CUTM1

   MILBRIDGE              -12   723 AM  1/16 WS031

   EASTPORT                -9   834 AM  1/16 COOP EPOM1

$$

Portland hit -16°F, which is 28°F below normal for January 16th, and came close to the record for the date of -18°F in 1946.

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153 thoughts on “The pain in Maine

  1. All the coldest stations are located in and around the upper reaches of the St. John river
    which originates in Maine and flows N to form part of the international boundary with New Brunswick.

  2. One thing I alway think of when I see these record lows along the Canadian border, is that it is even colder in Canada.

  3. While Alaska has warmed up a bit in the past few days, it was bloody cold in December. A friend in Fairbanks sent this: (I suspect the folks in Maine can relate)
    It’s winter here in Alaska
    And the gentle breezes blow,
    Seventy miles an hour,
    At sixty five below.
    Oh, how I love Alaska
    When the snow’s up to your butt.
    You take a breath of winter
    And your nose then freezes shut.
    Yes, the weather here is wonderful
    so I guess I’ll hang around.
    I could never leave Alaska
    cause I’m frozen to the ground!

  4. It bothers me a little that governments, times being what they are, would go to so much trouble and expense to verify a record low temperature but it seems that record high temperatures are just taken at face value.

  5. Im a skeptic, by all means. But, this seems like cherry picking to me, doesnt it?
    Im up in Calgary, Alberta, and the forcast tomorrow is positive 14 Celsius, that breaks the record as well (If the the tempurature is true to its forcast)…. I fully support being a skeptic but we cant lower to the lever as the AGW crowd by cherry picking… Unless I missed the point by all means please tell me, but to me this looks somewhat selective.
    REPLY: It is new about a statewide record weather event, one that only comes along in decades, I don’t know how it could be cherry picking since it is not being compared to anything. Illinois potentially set a new statewide kow record also, see previous post. – Anthony

  6. Taylor, here in Calgary, midwinter warmth records can be smashed at ANY time, as soon as an intense chinook rolls in. It’s not uncommon for us to have a LOT of warmth during a La Nina… while everyone else is freezing, we’re basking in that warm flow. And remember this week when the +10 air was aloft and we were shivering in -12. All it takes is a slight change in wind for us to feel warm air that is ALREADY just above us. We’ve had +27C in February (1992), I recall videotaping a wedding that day.
    Ultra-low OR ultra-high temperatures being thrown out because someone refuses to believe them is just stupid. Are the instruments there? Are they intended to record temperatures? Then what’s the problem?

  7. crosspatch (20:13:52) :

    It bothers me a little that governments, times being what they are, would go to so much trouble and expense to verify a record low temperature but it seems that record high temperatures are just taken at face value.

    Well, it is an all-time record low. There may also be this consideration: Record highs come with convective mixing, so a large area should have similar temperatures and stations can “vote” the outliers off the island. Low records tend to be associated with peak radiational cooling and micro-climate effects come in to play. So nearby stations away from valleys or other low areas may see much warmer temps instead of providing confirmation.

  8. Taylor:
    While Calgary may set a record high, Calgary is famous for its Chinooks raising the winter temperature from the usual deep freeze to balmy for a short time. I didn’t see any claims that these record lows disprove AGW. We do however take solace in the so called “Gore Effect” where pronouncements of impending doom are accompanied by cold and miserable weather.

  9. If the instruments are wrong for the low temperatures, why would they believe the same thermometers when they show high temperatures? Oh, yeah, the low temperature don’t agree with their belief in AGW.

  10. Just came over from Yahoo’s main page and a link to new creatures found off Australia. Of course, there was much damage from Global Warming!!! to be found there, too. They are going to kill us with 10 to 20 inches of Global Warming!!!

  11. Living in here in N MN, I’ve been slapped hard in the face by the brutal cold too many times to count. No need to go to the Arctic Circle when it comes to you. This was an impressive event, no doubt about that.
    As a kid, I learned the hard way when it came to warming your hands. Never, ever, put your hands under warmer water to warm them when they are nearly frostbit. You want to talk about pain. And never stick your tongue to a metal pole. It will stick, and you will lose flesh trying to get it off. Trust me, I know. LOL

  12. Maine is having a record Cold-Snap, and, Europe is having a record Winter, the coldest since 1946, with record snow packs at the Ski Resorts, and, a gathering death toll of people freezing to death in their own homes.
    This is exacerbated by a Russian/Ukrainian squabble over the Price of Gas. The Russians have turned off the Tap because they don’t want to honor the Contract Prices, and, the Ukraine can’t pay the price they’re demanding.
    Just an aside: If we are causing Global Warming, how did we melt the Ice Caps of Mars? How did we manage to install a second “Great Spot” on Jupiter, and, cause Saturn to have a Great Spot it never had before? How did we cause the great Storms roiling the atmoshpheres of Venus and the moon Titan? And, why have they suddenly returned to normal following the absence of Sunspots on the Sun? (16 days and counting, several weeks ago).

  13. Here in Edmonton, 300 km north of Calgary we are in the middle of our annual January thaw. Usually lasts about a week. Today our high was about 14°C above normal and was welcome relief from some very cold weather, we hit -37°C two weeks ago. My graphs for the last 3 years here show a flat temperature trend. If AGW is happening it certainly isn’t here.

  14. Wait until they are “homogenized”. It will be pleasantly balmy and Maine residents can safely venture outside again.

  15. Record cold is anecdotal; record heat is a clarion call to save the planet. And the temperature outside is {-pick a number-any number’ll do-and then it’ll get adjusted}.

  16. Considering how close the cold spot is to Quebec, surely there must be some relevant temperature data from the Chaudière-Appalaches side of the border to verify the true temperature of the area?

  17. I went for a beautiful 400km bike ride yesterday in glorious 25-30deg C weather here in Australia. Doing my bit to raise the CO2 levels to help out all the poor folk over in the States. Hope you appreciate my concern 🙂

  18. I will say it again, a few cold days in the middle of January is certainly enough data to draw meaningful conclusions.

  19. I have a message from the IPCC it reads as follows:”These record low temperatures accord perfectly with our predictions for global warming. They are weather events, unlike Hurricane Katrina and the melting of the summer ice in the Arctic which were clear indications that there is a global warming catastrophe hurtling towards us.”

  20. G Alston (23:04:44) :
    But we only have 4 years for Obama to save the world!
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/jim-hansen-obama
    Interestingly Hansen is demanding an in depth survey of the state of the ice caps. For the first time ever I think I agree with him, IF the survey was going to be transparent and unbiased. I think he may be disappointed with the likely results though. In the mean time the solution to global warming has been found. Paint everything white!
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/4269109/Paint-cities-white-to-tackle-global-warming-scientist-says.html

  21. The Russians have turned off the Tap because they don’t want to honor the Contract Prices, and, the Ukraine can’t pay the price they’re demanding.

    There was no valid contract to be honored. The previous one just expired and the following one was made dubious by the Ukraine under the pretence that the persons that signed it were insufficiently entitled to do so (this is related to a power game between Tymoshenko and Yuschenko). Anyway, Europe is now much more eager to start building pipelines from Russia that do not cross the Ukraina.

  22. EW (04:17:53) :
    “The Russians have turned off the Tap because they don’t want to honor the Contract Prices, and, the Ukraine can’t pay the price they’re demanding.”
    There was no valid contract to be honored. The previous one just expired and the following one was made dubious by the Ukraine under the pretence that the persons that signed it were insufficiently entitled to do so (this is related to a power game between Tymoshenko and Yuschenko). Anyway, Europe is now much more eager to start building pipelines from Russia that do not cross the Ukrania.

    Add to this that the new contract offered, though not as cheap as previously is still at 1/4 the price the rest of us in Europe have to pay.
    In Greece, Attica, we are having our Halcyon days, 10C low to 18C high. Legend has it that the Gods arranged this warm interval so that the Halcyon bird can make its nest close to the shores and breed. Gods were eco conscious, though this is a myth, the halcyon has its eggs in May as all similar sea birds. It is a beautiful bird by the way, like a kingfisher, orange of breast and bright blue green on top.

  23. What I’m read is that it is flat out COLD. The US is cold. Europe is coldest in some time. Siberia is -65F, or colder. La Nina is beginning to form again. But when I go check out the daily AMSU temp graph here: http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ I see that so far this January seems to be a good bit warmer than last January.
    Where is the heat?

  24. I live in one of those La Nina hot January places. We broke the records set in 1976-77 all week long, while 95% of the rest of the country shivered uncontrollably. That’s a 17 colder per 1 warmer ratio. It’s colder.
    The high-pressure cell shoved the storms all the way up to Alaska from California instead of just up into British Columbia like the 1977 event did.
    Nothing gets your attention on the Weather report like a front that stretches from 35N to 70N like a brick wall.

  25. Interesting article in the Pravda.

    The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.
    Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years.

    If there are indeed lower frequency cycles, all we are measuring now might well be simply considered as noise in the longterm. No matter how much GHG contributes to global warming, it is just like throwing a stone into the swell of an ocean.
    Maybe time to get out those knitting needles and to shear the sheep before they are gone.

  26. MattN (04:40:23) :
    What I’m read is that it is flat out COLD. The US is cold. Europe is coldest in some time. Siberia is -65F, or colder. La Nina is beginning to form again. But when I go check out the daily AMSU temp graph here: http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ I see that so far this January seems to be a good bit warmer than last January.
    Where is the heat?

    It is not heat, it is just less cold. Globally, last January was very cold, according to the global temperature metrics, and the current La Nina is not where we were (yet) a year ago, so we should expect January to track higher on the AMSU graph.

  27. Warsong,
    “…Just an aside: If we are causing Global Warming, how did we melt the Ice Caps of Mars?…”
    That’s what piqued my curiosity a couple of years ago, back when I had little interest in the debate and just assumed that the UN and the IPCC were trying to do good science. The Mars thing got to me, so I went exploring to see what I could learn.
    I’ve spent the two years since then re-arranging my entire worldview, utterly thunderstruck at the depth of the deception, the blatant manipulation of data, the cynicism of the politicians, and especially the fawning gullibility of the media who are supposed to be the public’s eyes and ears on what’s going on in the world.
    Power-hungry politicians and even “rock-star” scientists I understand, I get why they twist things to maintain their status and/or keep the money and accolades flowing in.
    What I’ve never gotten is the attitude of the media in all this. Journalists make names for themselves by exposing such shenanigans to the light, but only a few have dared to challenge this one.

  28. Yeah, I been there…Arctic Warfare School. It’s hardly what I’d call fun, but with the right protective gear it can be tolerable.
    Even so, it had it’s moments…learning how to ski, snowshoeing, survival training and such…then the other stuff. Snot-cicle contests, snowshoe races (ever try to run with them on…?), watching spit freeze before it hits the ground [snow…we never saw any dirt], and other fun activities.
    Ah, those were the days…

  29. Cherry picking all time record lows during record global warming?…..now that’s a funny statement. How can we set record lows during global warming? The warming is over people…..dah

  30. I’ve been in Dawson City and Whitehourse Yukon during cold spells. You need to either keep you engine running or have a electric block heater. Your breathe will condense and fall as ice crystals. Your nostrils will freeze shut temporarily unless you cover your face. I will never go back there in the winter.

  31. Meanwhile James Hansen is saying that Barak only has 4 years to ‘save the world’. Most remarkable statement by Hansen (at least according to that paragon of journalistic excellence, “The Guardian”) is that there is already too much ‘carbon’ – remarkable comment in and of itself, carbon, not CO2, (had no idea that carbon itself was a greenhouse issue) – in the atmosphere to prevent ‘runaway’ global warming. Though I note the Guardian was careful not to quote Hansen on this. If there is already too much ‘carbon’ to prevent runaway global warming, what exactly is Barak going to do to save us in a mere four years? Oh wait. Hansen thinks Obama should order a ‘probe’ of the state of the planets icecaps. Well, there you have it. We’re facing irreversible runaway global warming and Obama will save us by ordering a ‘probe’. Was the reporter channeling Douglas Adams when he wrote this ridiculous piece? Guardian gets it wrong in saying the US is the world’s largest ‘carbon emitter’ (carbon emitter?), that would be China.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/jim-hansen-obama

  32. I’m surprised I didn’t hear anything about the next temperature on the list….
    INEMILE BRIDGE -48 841 AM 1/16 USGS NINM1
    If they invalidate the -50°F record low they still have to go check the Inemile Bridge site since that would TIE the state’s all0time record low…

  33. Here in Saskatoon right now the snow is melting (we get a bit of the chinook effect they enjoy in Calgary). It’ll go back to some miserable temps here in February. Its the cycle of the seasons. I feel sorry for people in the US putting up with those miserable temperatures while we are dealing with warm breezes. NOT.
    I do see some snarky comments about “a few cold days in the middle of January is certainly enough data to draw meaningful conclusions.” The person who said that misses the point of this conversation – nobody is drawing conclusions. Nobody is plotting a trend line for climate on the basis of one regional temperature on a few days in January. The conversation is about how these records are recorded, and a bit of a giggle about record low temperatures being achieved in the middle of “catastrophic global warming”. You have to admit, it’s kind of funny.

  34. Here is the record low temperatures by State – some big numbers in there.
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0113527.html
    I’ve experienced -50F : only half of the vehicles with block heaters will start, maybe 10% of those without will start – you aren’t walking anywhere – even the dog won’t go out for a walk.
    While Calgary might be warm now, a little to the east, in the Central part of Canada, they just went through one of the longest cold snaps on record – 35 days in a row of temps being mostly between -20C to -40C: but even there, I don’t think there were any -50F’s recorded.

  35. Robert Bateman (04:41:15) :

    Nothing gets your attention on the Weather report like a front that stretches from 35N to 70N like a brick wall.

    In New England, especially 60 miles from the coast, it’s a weather map with a nor’easter “bombing out” and slowing down just to our south.
    People are still searching the web for “Blizzard of ’78” pages every day.
    Fortunately, we haven’t had a repeat with all the attributes (like mid-day
    start) since, though some storms have come close.
    Curiously, the Blue Hill Weather Observatory in Massachusetts has found that average wind speed was about 15-16 mph between 1880 and 1980, but then started a decline to a current average of 13 mph. There has also been a reduction in coastal flooding.

  36. If this was an ALL-TIME record low for Maine (ditto Illinois), not just a record low for the day-of-the-year, then it is quite significant on its ownas being a bit of evidence tending to falsify the Global Warming thesis. Such stand-out anomalies shouldn’t be happening, or at least should be quite rare.
    If an examination of the whole data set finds that the trend of record lows is increasing, while the trend of record highs is decreasing, that would indicate that Hansen’s increasing average temperature trend has been manufactured (Hansenized).

  37. I am no weather expert, but follow the hype, and yes I am an evil skeptic destined to burn in hell according to the Suzukians.
    BTW …. not read all posts here … maybe this was addressed … Regarding validity of the cold temps recorded in Maine it seems to me that it is easier to influence thermometers during a hot spell (i.e get a false record high) than it is to get a false record low assuming the actual thermometers are indeed accurate.
    A hot temperature can be made hotter by being close to bldgs and pavement and influenced by wind … and apparently that happens more than the authorities care to admit…and reported here on WUWT. However, I can’t see how the immediate environment around a Stephenson screen can make it colder than reality. Get my point? A cold reading is true … and cold. A hot reading might not be so accurate and would tend to be overstated. Maybe not.
    Clive
    Alberta Canada .. where it is positively balmy as others have noted. 🙂

  38. G Alston (23:04:44) :
    “But we only have 4 years for Obama to save the world!”
    Here’s an Obama Climate scenario :
    a) Obama and Congress sign some drastic legislation such as Cap & Trade and the traders start trading like crazy, prices of everything start going back up in the middle of a recession which pushes the U.S into an extended depression.
    b) In the mean time, say 1-2 years from now, the U.S Courts finally decide to hear a Presidential eligibility case and decide on the merits.
    c) Their decision is that Obama is not eligible to be president because of the dual allegiance at birth and/or born in Kenya and/or still an Indonesian citizen) and is therefore a Constitutionally defined “Usurper”.
    d) Because he is an Usurper he wouldn’t be Pres no matter who voted for and swore him in and he can’t even be impeached because that only applies to a valid President. The key issue here is that anything that an Usurper does would not be valid law, so that Cap & Trade legislation would be invalid.
    e) This is followed by a flurry (blizzard?) of lawsuits against the traders and in order to keep the U.S. from going into a Super Depression, another Gov’t bailout is implemented to cover the Cap & Traders massive losses from their illegal trading.
    Obviously this has a high Political threshold for Judges to overcome, but it is still intellectually interesting to consider such a scenario as the dual allegiance at birth issue is pretty clearly part of the definition of Natural Born Citizen”. Besides how much wackier is this then the Catastrophic Anthropogenic CO2 Induced Global Warming scenarios of Hanson and company?

  39. Dan Lee (05:21:30) :
    “What I’ve never gotten is the attitude of the media in all this. Journalists make names for themselves by exposing such shenanigans to the light, but only a few have dared to challenge this one.”
    I think the root cause(s) of the deception is the Media not employing scientifically fluent reporters. Going one more step, this may be caused by technology lowering the threshold for competitors. As a result the MSM have to reduce costs and they cut the research staff.

  40. Ric Werme (20:53:40) :
    “Record highs come with convective mixing, so a large area should have similar temperatures and stations can “vote” the outliers off the island. Low records tend to be associated with peak radiational cooling and micro-climate effects come in to play. So nearby stations away from valleys or other low areas may see much warmer temps instead of providing confirmation.”
    This makes sense, but couldn’t the NWS announcement make a brief explananation along these lines?

  41. Back to the future:
    “A change in our climate however is taking place very sensibly. Both heats and colds are become much more moderate within the memory even of the middle-aged. Snows are less frequent and less deep.”
    —Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781
    “The temperature of the winter season, in northern latitudes, has suffered a material change, and become warmer in modern, than it was in ancient times. … Indeed I know not whether any person, in this age, has ever questioned the fact.” —Noah Webster, 1843

  42. Alan S. Blue (22:08:15) :
    AMSR-E Satellite Arctic sea ice extent back to second highest ever. (Ok, AMSR-E is new, but still.)

    You make a key point! Also, the current ice growth rateis the highest of all the years on that graph. If this trend continues, it will be interesting to see the spin placed upon it. As I understand physics, ice only forms in a cold environment. Ice forms rapidly in a very cold environment. This ice is forming more rapidly than at any time in the past 7 years by that graph.
    Roger E. Sowell
    Marina del Rey, California

  43. Back in the winter of 1980-81 (+/- 1 year) I was in Freeport, Maine and it got to -24F at night. There was a nearby lowspot that got to -40F.
    The next day I was outside splitting firewood at -19F (no wind) and I was down to just a flannel shirt and gloves and I was warm as toast…..

  44. Basil (05:11:51) :
    MattN (04:40:23) :
    What I’m read is that it is flat out COLD. The US is cold. Europe is coldest in some time. Siberia is -65F, or colder. La Nina is beginning to form again. But when I go check out the daily AMSU temp graph here: http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ I see that so far this January seems to be a good bit warmer than last January.
    Where is the heat?
    It is not heat, it is just less cold. Globally, last January was very cold, according to the global temperature metrics, and the current La Nina is not where we were (yet) a year ago, so we should expect January to track higher on the AMSU graph.

    AMSU was actually below the one-year-ago line until several days ago when it shot upward at several levels of the atmosphere. So, the question “Where is the heat?” seems like a good one. Anyone know?

  45. @Bill Marsh:
    I believe the current thought is that today’s aerosol/particulate/jet contrail/et. al. levels in the atmosphere is the only thing that is keeping the planet cooler than it would would be otherwise, on the order of an extra 1.3-1.5 degrees that is being masked. You can search Youtube for Global Dimming and see the PBS piece – I think it is in 2 or 3 parts so you have to watch them all. The piece cites solar radiance work done by Stanhill in Israel, then goes on to cite the work on aerosols over the Maldives by Ramanathan, changes in pan evaporation, and then changes in the min temps in the U.S. for the 3 days post 9/11 when all flights were grounded.
    Thus, I think that’s partially his basis for claiming that there is already enough carbon to cause runaway warming even though we’re not seeing it happening yet – it’s all being masked due to “global dimming”. Personally, I think it’s pretty weak science to make that conclusion. In any case, it’s an odd paradox – the thought that the very activites that supposedly generate warming are also preventing it to some degree.

  46. Oregon is setting record high temperatures in several locations. But not because it is quote “warm” in Oregon. We have a major inversion in place. Freezing temperatures are close to the ground while the warm summer sunshine is just beyond our reach. The Pendleton area has been freezing during the day while the mountain passes are recording record highs and Wallowa County’s high valley floor has been having bluebird warm days. It is warm in some places, and below freezing in others, depending on altitude and proximity to mountains. The place you stand could be only 3 miles or less driving distance from drastic temperature change. My boyfriend and his son who work wherever there is a busted piece of logging equipment tell us that depending on the GPS, they either are working in short sleeves, or full coated and gloved conditions with icicles dripping from their nose, whenever they move to a different altitude. All in one day.
    Temperatures like this remind me that what the gauge is saying may not reflect an accurate picture of true conditions. If this inversion lasts, we could see an artifactual increase in average temperature recordings for January that would not reflect true conditions of regional warmth versus cold.

  47. G Alston (23:04:44) :
    But we only have 4 years for Obama to save the world!
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/jim-hansen-obama
    ————————————————–
    What exactly is Obama supposed to halt ?? Climate change, as in natural climate change or anthropogenic global warming ?? Because if it’s anthropogenic climate change, I’ve yet to hear any scientific theory of that, let alone one that could be put up for scientific scrutiny. If it’s natural climate change …. good luck with that !!
    Could someone please tap him on the shoulder …..

  48. Just for the record, in southeast Michigan, this month so far has been one cold puppy! I don’t think we’ve set many record low temps but we’ve had many days of well below average temps, and lots of snow. My poor old snowblower is about ready to give up the ghost. Me too!
    I jury-rigged a makeshift plow for my jeep to plow the drive. It moves the snow pretty well but unlike the snowblower, it doesn’t throw the snow. It just piles it up. So I’m running out of room to push the snow to.
    Also the furnace has been running a lot this year and the gas bills are going sky high. Its got me longing for global warming. I think a lot of other folks feel the same way. Palm trees along lake Michigan sounds really good right now.

  49. I lived in Limestone ME from 1958 to 1961 just a stone’s throw away from the Caribou town line. It got to -30F on a couple of days those years. One of them is memorable to me because we played a hockey game outdoors in a pond at the bottom of gravel pit that actually was in Caribou. It was sheltered from the wind. On the way back we crossed higher ground where it was very windy and for a few minutes hid in a cement culvert to warm up. What was really memorable was that as we walked back home there was no traffic on the roads. It was about a one mile walk each way that morning.
    Also the Christmas of 1958 (maybe 1959) was memorable because there was no snow on the ground and it was fairly warm. At first it seemed like no one could remember a snow free Christmas. Then some of older potato farmers said it had happened before back in the 1930s.
    It never got to -37F when I was living there.

  50. Chris,
    I’ve seen it, thanks. The problem with all this is the planet is NOT dimming, it is ‘brightening’ and has been for the last 8 years or so.

  51. Oops. I posted too soon. Our warm days are over here in the Wallowa Valley. Just like that. Freezing fog and drizzle has quickly surrounded me and is turning the landscape into a ghostly, creeping, draping white. The cold moist air is creeping into the cracks and crevices of my century plus old farm house and surrounding my chilled feet, like a black and white scene out of the old testament “Moses” film. If I want warm, I have to go up in the mountains surrounding the valley. Not even the fireplace stays lit because the chimney has no draw.

  52. philincalifornia,
    The only thing Obama can do, at least if you read the implications of this article, is somehow REDUCE the amount of carbon in the air, and by a fairly large amount, to levels that will not result iin runaway global warming. I suggest we shut down all Cars, planes, trains, ships, coal and gas fired power plants in the US, on Jan 21st. Oh, and cement factories too, steel as well, shut it all down. That might, might, reduce the amount of ‘carbon’ in the air (probably not since the Chinese and Indians are merrily increasing the amount far faster than we are).

  53. Dan Lee — What I’ve never gotten is the attitude of the media in all this. Journalists make names for themselves by exposing such shenanigans to the light, but only a few have dared to challenge this one.
    It’s because alarmists learned something from scientists who mostly refused to debate creationists in front of the (e.g. KS) school boards trying to squelch the teaching of evolution: the scientists would say that debate does little more than elevate the creationist argument to that of being equal and the board has to decide which equal to go with.
    Hence, we get “the science is settled” and “there is no debate.” Heard either of these before? This is right out of the anti-creationist playbook. Alarmist sites are rife with equating skepticsm with evolution doubters; they’re often painted as being one and the same. e.g. Joe Romm’s site routinely dismisses THIS site as a haven of right wing anti-science nutjobs. (The truth is that this place is politically diverse and a great number of readers, perhaps most, are well educated.)
    Meanwhile, reporters as a rule are *not* right wing; many are the types who don’t personally know anyone who voted for Bush, and so on. The picture they receive is one of science vs wingnut, just like the KS school board. In short the alarmists have successfully used political tendencies to their advantage.
    And yes, it’s as simple as that.

  54. I think the root cause(s) of the deception is the Media not employing scientifically fluent reporters.
    Blame that on the schools. Science=rota drill of facts=sage on the stage…. Scientifically fluent reporters that got their “hard-core” science education in 50-60’s are retired now. What would you expect from people getting their education in the era of crayola curriculum and banned “Young chemist” kits.

  55. Bill Marsh (08:31:09) : wrote
    philincalifornia,
    The only thing Obama can do, at least if you read the implications of this article, is somehow REDUCE the amount of carbon in the air, and by a fairly large amount, to levels that will not result iin runaway global warming. I suggest we shut down all Cars, planes, trains, ships, coal and gas fired power plants in the US, on Jan 21st. Oh, and cement factories too, steel as well, shut it all down. That might, might, reduce the amount of ‘carbon’ in the air (probably not since the Chinese and Indians are merrily increasing the amount far faster than we are).
    —————————————————–
    Exactly, but my point is that not only has the term “global warming” been morphed into “climate change”, but people like Hansen and the Guardian writers have lost the word “anthropogenic”, conveniently.
    The inconvenient truth is that if you put the word “anthropogenic” in front of “climate change”, you create something that doesn’t exist in reality or even theory …. even the alarmist’s theories. So, I ask again, what is it that Obama is going to halt ?? Is it anthropogenic global warming (which clearly exists more in theory than reality), or natural climate change (which has existed for billions of years) ??
    Just doing my bit to try to save the odd 10 or 20 trillion dollars !!

  56. Fernando
    Great post! Webster (of dictionary fame) was born in 1758 so was a contemporary of Jefferson who kept a meticulous weather diary for decades They are both reporting on much the same extended period illustrating yet again that climate change is nothing new.
    TonyB

  57. Pamela Gray said
    “The cold moist air is creeping into the cracks and crevices of my century plus old farm house and surrounding my chilled feet”
    I bet you went and bought those racy slingbacks instead of investing in a warm pair of stout boots, so don’t come complaining to us…
    TonyB

  58. My take? News outlets are now owned and operated by the entertainment industry. We are now fed a steady diet of tabloid news in place of Walter Cronkite and Chet Brinkley. CO2 has the same status as Orson Wells’ radio broadcast that was believed by millions, nuclear-bomb related B movies, green spaceships, and alien-spawned human babies. It’s a monster we have created and it will kill us. It made bucks back then. It does now. Advertising bucks.
    As an entertainment industry, they have learned from their own kind and are serving it up to a willing but dumbed-down public. People buy tabloids for a reason. And it ain’t for news reporting. People listen to 24 hr news now for the same reason they read tabloids. If the news were to actually report the goings on CSPAN-style, it would be boring and lose viewership in droves. Think about it. 24 hrs of black and white Chett and Walter simply reporting what went on that day. No commentary (cept for at the very end), no on-screen verbal exchanges of simultaneous yelling, no box-blonds with bosoms. Just two old guys with comb-overs using monotonous tones with not a spin in sight.

  59. Taylor is Calgary
    I also am in Calgary. Hi. Anyway, this artical is about an all time state wide recored. The record in Calgary that you are talking of is a rocord for this day. Lets face it, we regularly get above +30C here in the summer, so this is realy no record at all, just something for the miedia tipes to talk about.
    Jeff Taylor

  60. Dan Lee (05:21:30) :
    Yes, I’ve been travelling the same road with this deception, and, watching FOX News fall for it, Hooks, Sinkers, Line and Pole.
    I’ve wandered the surface of a lot of Planets (kudo’s to NASA) over the years, and, I’m one of those that never fell for Global Warming, from the first hints that it might be. Because along with everything I was watching, I was watching the Sunspot/Temperature Cycles, of varying length, all coming together and predicting that this Interglacial period was over.
    I didn’t mention Uranus or Saturn, but, the surface of the Oceans on both Planets has zoomed up 10 degree C over the last 10 years, but, now it’s in decline. Just curious, how many of you still believe that Neptune and Uranus are Gas Giants, rather than Water Giants? Strangely, the Summerians and Chaldeans knew about both Planets (that they couldn’t see), and, knew that both were Giant Water Planets, 6 to 8,000 years ago, and, we just found out when Voyager flew through the Rings of both Planets (late ’60’s?). We didn’t even know they had Rings, until Voyager. And, gosh, the North Pole of both Planets point at the Sun, just as the Summerians and Chaleans said.
    I wonder what else we don’t know? Think of our ‘knowledge’ as a Pea tossed into an Infinite Sea.

  61. 1) I am under the impression that decreasing the carbon in our atmosphere will make it harder for plant life to prosper. Ergo, this move will cause more loss of food and loss of life. I believe that is what the Eugenics folks want to happen. Anything to have something akin to a pond die-off amongst the commoners.
    2) I’ve been in Barrow Alaska at -68 with wind chill to -125. There is no way to describe it. Feels like cold steel on exposed skin. Eyelids freeze shut.
    3) I’ve camped in Alaska at -50 and learnt the hard way what is is like to be miserable inside 2 -40 rated sleeping bags, the latter freezing to walls by their own condensation.
    4) It was officially -78 in Tok Alaska last week (same weather now assaulting the east). Diesel fuel does not flow. Even if you leave you engine running if you have 90 weight oil in the transmission, when you engage the clutch in neutral, it will stall the engine. Even if you have light oil in the tranny, the differential will not turn over. Even if you drag the vehicle until the rear end loosens (which I have at -45), you have to be careful your tires don’t crack. You accelerate very slowly as the tires are banging each revolution as the flat side comes around…then, finally the rubber softens a little. If you push it, your tire cracks and often disintegrates. Truckers paint lines in their tires to be able to see those frozen in place from their rear view mirrors as they drive. Also..at -78, propane doesn’t vaporize, furnace oil long since solidified…and gasoline has become, by way of it’s compounding, very temperamental. Aviation kerosene is also like honey. Carburetors also freeze inside as the air expands into the manifolds…there is no room for error or stupidity in temperatures like -50 or lower.
    5) I’m speaking as a former Alaska Wilderness Guide.

  62. I’m getting irritated over Hansen’s claim of runaway global warming due to anthropogenic CO2 will happen in the near future. He has degrees in Physics and Astronomy and I’m astounded he thinks runaway global warming is even a possibility for earth. As a physicist and astronomer, he has to be an idiot to believe our planet, which has about 0.039% CO2 can compare with Venus’s 98% CO2 atmosphere. Most of the mainstream press, stupid and uneducated, swallows this idiotic scaremongering belief and publishes it to the unwashed and uneducated masses. Good grief… a pox on their offspring so they don’t pollute our gene pool.

  63. Dan Lee (05:21:30) :
    I’ve spent the two years since then re-arranging my entire worldview, utterly thunderstruck at the depth of the deception, the blatant manipulation of data, the cynicism of the politicians, and especially the fawning gullibility of the media who are supposed to be the public’s eyes and ears on what’s going on in the world.
    Yep, hear, hear. First comes the shock (that you’ve been lied to, by people you trusted), then awe (at the size and extent of the whole thing), and then what can only be described as RAGE, along with utter frustration. Ameliorated to some extent at least, by the existence of sites like this, of course.
    What I’ve never gotten is the attitude of the media in all this. Journalists make names for themselves by exposing such shenanigans to the light, but only a few have dared to challenge this one.
    I’ve been puzzled about that, too. It’s probably a combination of things. It’s called the “liberal media” for a reason, and AGW seems a good fit, at least on the surface. They’ve bought the meme that being pro-AGW and pro-environment are one and the same thing, hook line and sinker. Plus, alarmism sells, so there’s been a financial incentive to hype this thing. In a very big way, the MSM is part and parcel to the AGW bandwagon, and to admit that they have played a large part in the biggest deception in history will be extremely difficult. They surely have damaged their credibility at this point probably irreparably.

  64. Bruce Cobb
    In addition to the liberal media -many of whom have a social agenda which makes them want to believe in AGW-I have often wondered how many of the Climate scientists and personalities also have this aspect of their character. James Hansen certainly does, Al Gore says he does, anyone else? Dr Mann, Gavin Schmidt?
    tonyB

  65. @Garacka
    Obama’s ineligibility to be president? How is that kool-aid tasting?
    @everyone else
    Global warming, Global Cooling, Solar Fluxing, CO2, whatever. If this is truly a science blog, any scientist worth their salt, regardless of the hypothesis they are investigating, should know better then to draw conclusions from one data point (all this cold snap is).
    There are some record lows happening now and everyone is calling for global cooling and the next ice age starting. What were peoples thought’s a few weeks ago during December 26, 27 and 28 when record highs were being set? By the same logic being employed on this blog now, everyone must have been calling for global warming during that week?
    What am I missing here?

  66. The pain-in-Maine: Evidence of incipient global cooling masking underlying (in Al’s case, overtly lying) global warming. Merely remove the ice and snow and let the warmth issue forth.

  67. The Chosen One’s people basking in the glow of his presence.
    Without a tele-prompter, a blank slate.
    ————————————————————-
    Obama Talks Global Warming to Shivering Crowd
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/obama_talks_global_warming_to.html
    “Only a handful of times in our history has a generation been confronted with challenges so vast. An economy that is faltering. Two wars, one that needs to be ended responsibly, one that needs to be waged wisely. A planet that is warming from our unsustainable dependence on oil.”
    “…you’d think that — given the extraordinarily glacial locale — the supposedly brilliant future leader of the free world would have appreciated the hysterical disconnect in his words.”

  68. Ed Scott
    I think people just want to believe in Obama and he has tapped into this basic need to be kept safe from threats-climate, financial or violent -HL Mencken summed it up thus;
    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
    tonyB

  69. Taylor (20:29:52) :
    “Im a skeptic, by all means. But, this seems like cherry picking to me, doesnt it?
    Im up in Calgary, Alberta, and the forcast tomorrow is positive 14 Celsius, that breaks the record as well (If the the tempurature is true to its forcast)…. I fully support being a skeptic but we cant lower to the lever as the AGW crowd by cherry picking… Unless I missed the point by all means please tell me, but to me this looks somewhat selective.”
    Be reminded that the concept put forth by Algore/UN/IPCC/Pachauri is that man has control over Nature. Their (Algore/UN/IPCC/Pachauri) attention and effort, is toward cooling the planet, Earth, by restricting the means by which man is warming the planet, Earth. The factual reporting of weather data is not “cherry picking” because man is ultimately responsible for the weather and the climate. A cooling anomaly (local over-cooling), is evidence of the imbalance over man’s many activities that “cries out” for greater regulation and control to synchronize man’s activities in a manner to achieve the ideal temperature and climate as envisioned by the Algore/UN/IPCC/Pachauri politicians. Good politicians always inspire competition between, at least, two points of view in order to achieve a consensus, usually a minority consensus.
    You may believe that I am joking when I say that man is responsible, but man is responsible for allowing the outrage of a seminary drop-out (Al), a deceitful scientist (Hansen) and corrupt politicians (UN/IPCC) to cause gross economic damage to the civilized population of planet, Earth, under the guise of “saving the planet,” while having the hidden motive of total population control.
    Remember the original argument that man’s emissions of CO2 into the atmosphere is the cause of global warming. Vegetarian Pachauri says that the methane emissions from bovines, swine and farm animals, in general, are contributing factors to the manufactured hoax of global warming. I am awaiting news of the slaughter of the 400,000,000 bovines in his native home, India.
    The reporting of factual data is not “cherry picking.”

  70. Seriously? A science blog?
    I keep reading comments about “the chosen one” and other contempt for Obama. That’s fine and dandy because science, and good science, should influence some public policy, but some of this is just ridiculous. The ineligibility of Obama to be president? Are you kidding me?
    Let’s focus on the science here, not some double standard decrying ‘liberal media’ on one side of your mouth and echoing Rush Limbaugh’s latest program out the other.
    I mean, this is supposed to be a science blog is it not? So lets focus on the science…something I have seen very little of.

  71. CONSIDERED UNOFFICIAL UNTIL A REVIEW OF THE
    EQUIPMENT AND DATA BY THE STATE CLIMATE EXTREMES COMMITTEE
    Do they do this for record HIGHS?
    This is NOT AN CAGW web blog. where are the links? pictures? ETC?
    Warsong (22:25:10) :
    how did we melt the Ice Caps of Mars? How did we manage to install a second “Great Spot” on Jupiter, and, cause Saturn to have a Great Spot it never had before? How did we cause the great Storms roiling the atmosphere of Venus and the moon Titan? And, why have they suddenly returned to normal following the absence of Sunspots on the Sun? (16 days and counting, several weeks ago).
    If there is proof of climate change on our neighboring planets this is the nail in the cagw coffin, AND PROVES solar forcing.
    PLEASE LINKS and Anthony we need post on these as well
    Thank you
    Tim

  72. The media are in the tank for “global warming” because they are almost all left-wingers. This anthropogenic climate change stuff is very popular on the left since it is used to justify extreme environmentalism, and it fits in well with the leftists’ desire to cede more power to governments and organizations like the UN.
    Anyone who knows much about real science knows that “consensus” is a very poor proxy for truth. Paradigms come and go over time. All the great scientists in history made their names by blowing prevailing opinions out of the water, replacing old paradigms with newer, more accurate ones. I doubt that “anthropogenic global warming” will survive this process, but it may do a lot of damage to our civilization before it dies.

  73. Benjamin P. (10:27:05) :
    “Obama’s ineligibility to be president? How is that kool-aid tasting?
    Actually it was beer, but it tasted good and btw it’s not a kool-aid theory, as it is supported by sound constitutional/legal “logic” and the lack of good ‘data’. This is somewhat analogous to Catastrophic Warming situation where the best scientific logic is stifled by the Climate Team, Politicians and the MSM and professional scientific organizations are aiding and abetting by letting it go on. The Pres. eligibility issue is stifled by the Obama Team, Politicians, and the MSM and the Courts are aiding and abetting (so far) by not hearing a case on the merits, but tossing on technicalities.

  74. Benjamin P. (10:27:05) :
    “What am I missing here?”
    I think you’re missing that this post was about temperature measurement practices and their goodness or lack of goodness. This is an on-going topic of this site and the surface stations site. The devil is in the details.
    If society doesn’t make policy decisions based on the best scientific information and doesn’t apply sound cost benefit thinking how much better is our path going to be than that of a random walk? Why do we have brains if we’re going on random policy walks?

  75. Benjamin P. (10:27:05) :
    If this is truly a science blog, any scientist worth their salt, regardless of the hypothesis they are investigating, should know better then to draw conclusions from one data point (all this cold snap is).
    What am I missing here?

    The only one “drawing conclusions” appears to be you. What you seem to be missing is common sense, a common attribute of AGW believers. Of course, one “data point” doesn’t prove anything. No one says it does. However, the evidence that we are indeed in a cooling period now is mounting. Pay attention, and you might actually learn something, if not from this particular post, then from some of the others. Don’t be so quick to judge.

  76. Benjamin P. (10:27:05) :
    Global warming, Global Cooling, Solar Fluxing, CO2, whatever. If this is truly a science blog, any scientist worth their salt, regardless of the hypothesis they are investigating, should know better then to draw conclusions from one data point (all this cold snap is).
    There are some record lows happening now and everyone is calling for global cooling and the next ice age starting. What were peoples thought’s a few weeks ago during December 26, 27 and 28 when record highs were being set? By the same logic being employed on this blog now, everyone must have been calling for global warming during that week?
    What am I missing here?

    Missing? Reading all the posts and links that will convince any scientist that “something smells rotten in Denmark” as far as “A” in AGW goes.
    This present post is categorized as “weather” and I am sure you know the difference between weather and climate?
    It is just a fun PR excursion in the opposite direction of Hansen et all turning up the heat when presenting the global warming agenda to congress, though we are not turning on the air conditioning.
    Personally I hope the Thames freezes over, since we need a PR event to wake up the zombies who will wilfully plunge the world economy into worse straights than it already is.

  77. Clive:

    A cold reading is true … and cold. A hot reading might not be so accurate and would tend to be overstated. Maybe not.

    I know it’s anecdotal, but I have heard that, during the Soviet era, Russian rural stations tended to report colder winter temperatures (than actually measured) in order to get more money from Moscow for heating.

  78. Pamela: The air inversions you are suffering in cold from while up on the higher ground it’s all sunshine has a root cause.
    The lack of solar wind has backed off the heliopause and a lot more cosmic rays get in, striking the lower atmosphere, reacting in the UV to form those low-lying air inversions. Such conditions held the smoke down on the ground for weeks on end in No. CA this past summer, grounding firefighting aircraft, much to the dismay of the Fire Command.
    What you don’t have is wind to stir up the lower atmosphere, if I am getting your scence correctly.

  79. @Clive
    ‘Regarding validity of the cold temps recorded in Maine it seems to me that it is easier to influence thermometers during a hot spell (i.e get a false record high) than it is to get a false record low assuming the actual thermometers are indeed accurate’
    Great thought there, Clive. Don’t know how well that idea would stand up against serious scientific scrutiny but given the current, seeming paucity/absence of that methodology in large tracts of climatology (Present company and associates excepted from any implied criticisms, of course) I think your hypothesis is pretty safe for some time yet!
    A lot of effort has been directed towards the role of the UHI effect in determining global temperature trends. Thanks Anthony and fellow workers!
    Maybe it’s about time that a similar amount of analysis be expended in examining whether, or not, the (circa) 1990, asymmetric removal (compared to UHI) of UCI (Uncontaminated Cooling Islands) data-collection sites, may have skewed the findings of the IPPC and the paradigms of the model-makers!
    Yes, I admit freely to a prejudice that that the balance of retention between UCI and UHI was asymmetric – but darn it folks I’m only human too!
    The last word for the existence of the UCI effect I’ll leave to the following snippet from a previous contributer to this site.
    HT to TTY for this:
    ‘In swedish there is even a special word for such places: “köldhål” (”cold-hole”).’

  80. EW (04:17:53) :
    The Russians have turned off the Tap because they don’t want to honor the Contract Prices, and, the Ukraine can’t pay the price they’re demanding.
    […] Anyway, Europe is now much more eager to start building pipelines from Russia that do not cross the Ukraina.

    And there in sits the rest of the story… Ukraine got about a 50% buy down on gas prices, and Russia got about a 50% buy down on pipeline costs. (Compared to world rates). Russia wanted to raise the price, so Ukraine said “us too”… the end game is EU pays to bypass Ukraine. Guess who wins?…
    I would not want to play chess with Putin.

  81. Benjamin P.,
    Scroll up to the very top and you’ll see:
    “Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts”
    This blog is very up front about what it’s about. If you keep the above in mind, you’ll have less stress about what you read. Nothing wrong with challenging, though, as long as it advances the discussion. Thanks!

  82. Chris D. (07:33:32) :
    I believe the current thought is that today’s aerosol/particulate/jet contrail/et. al. levels in the atmosphere is the only thing that is keeping the planet cooler […]
    – it’s all being masked due to “global dimming”.

    I would assert that he is simply hiding his folly in the aerosol error bands:
    http://www.sciencebits.com/CO2orSolar
    – the thought that the very activites that supposedly generate warming are also preventing it to some degree.
    If Hansen wants to take that tack, fine with me. Just look at him with great admiration and state: “Oh, THANK YOU! You have SAVED US! All we need to do is stop taking sulphur out of the jet fuel and we can prevent catastrophy! That is SO MUCH BETTER than the alternatives!” …

  83. Lets try that again with the right italics closure…
    Chris D. (07:33:32) :
    I believe the current thought is that today’s aerosol/particulate/jet contrail/et. al. levels in the atmosphere is the only thing that is keeping the planet cooler […]
    – it’s all being masked due to “global dimming”.

    I would assert that he is simply hiding his folly in the aerosol error bands:
    http://www.sciencebits.com/CO2orSolar
    – the thought that the very activites that supposedly generate warming are also preventing it to some degree.
    If Hansen wants to take that tack, fine with me. Just look at him with great admiration and state: “Oh, THANK YOU! You have SAVED US! All we need to do is stop taking sulphur out of the jet fuel and we can prevent catastrophy! That is SO MUCH BETTER than the alternatives!” …

  84. G. Alston, this is Hansen’s fourth doomsday predicition:

    Oh, and yes, it was 10 years in 1988, and 5 years in 1998, and 5 more years in 2003, and now 4 more years in 2008.
    It’s like Zeno’s Paradox. We can call it Hansen’s Paradox: each doomsday is twice as far away as you think at any time – no matter when you set the deadline, you never arrive.
    Merovign on January 18, 2009 at 1:38 PM

  85. Oh, ok. Thanks Anthony, Robert Austin, and Codetech. that makes alot of sense actually, im new to trying to understand how information is presented and how to keep it unbiased. Im still in high school and got sick of what we were being taught about the climate so went looking for information myself.
    Next time someone blaims human beings for Calgary warmth, im going to make sure I know some facts to explain it to them on an un biased basis….
    (Like a physics teacher who laughed at me, a student, for sharing my disagreement after being shown “An Inconvenient Truth”… a science teacher!)

  86. Pamela Gray (09:17:21) :
    My take? News outlets are now owned and operated by the entertainment industry. We are now fed a steady diet of tabloid news in place of Walter Cronkite and Chet Brinkley.

    You are exactly right. In fact, the ‘term of art’ for this change is ‘infotainment’. It is widely admitted and openly planned. News “Shows” without enough entertainment value will get “revamped” in an attempt to boost ratings (and thus profits).
    I don’t presently own any media stocks other than DIS Disney, but at one time I owned several. IIRC it was some time during the late ’70s or early ’80s that the shift happened. When the NBC, ABC, CBS networks were absorbed by mixed media companies and all the departments were reviewed to make sure each was contributing enough profit to the merger. That was when the mindshift happened from “Public Duty Loss Leader” to “Infotainment Profit Center”. You can date it from when CBS drastically shrunk their news department.
    Fernando (07:04:58) :
    Back to the future:
    “The temperature of the winter season, in northern latitudes, has suffered a material change, and become warmer in modern, than it was in ancient times. … Indeed I know not whether any person, in this age, has ever questioned the fact.” —Noah Webster, 1843
    So it is due to cow gas!

  87. anna v:
    “Personally I hope the Thames freezes over”

    We may see that yet, especially if that little red line keeps ascending like a rocket, referring to the 2009 sea ice extent displayed on the thumbnail pic at top right of this blog.
    Something very cold seems to be going on up there in the Arctic. Maybe there is a CO2 hole above the Arctic? Nothing to trap the heat?
    Roger E. Sowell

  88. Benjamin P. (10:27:05) :
    one data point (all this cold snap is).

    We are observing data points not polluted by Hansen. Collecting several of them together is a nice touch. That this ‘cold snap’ began last year in the southern hemisphere, and continues here slowly expanding over ever larger geographies, with increasing cold strength, is of very great interest…
    What am I missing here?

    That the cold side (N.) of the jet stream is extraordinarily cold at the same time that there is still residual heat in the oceans on the south side. Depending on which pool of air is on top of you at the moment, you get very warm (from past warming that now fails to progress to the upside) or you get very cold (sometimes record cold) from the new cold trend progressing rapidly to the downside.
    It is an inflection point. It will resolve ever more strongly to the downside over the next decade. How far, I would not want to guess. I would guess that as cycle 24 finally starts it will ‘back off’ a little bit until about 2012 to 2014 when we will really fall off a cliff (presuming the sun really is driving it probably via GCR and O3 modulation) or it will just keep getting colder (presuming sun not driving – due to PDO driving it) until about 2038.
    There are about 30 years worth of ‘excess’ heat to be extracted from the oceans. We will be in a ‘battleground’ between that warm water driven air and the polar cold air until that heat engine runs down.
    I’d even go so far as to assert that Hansen et. al. will use this temperature gradient to claim extreme weather from AGW…
    What you are missing is the dynamic of all this. That a single average over space at a point in time hides all of it. That an average over time hides the moment of inflections. That warming halted and colding is happening now.
    All this is my personal belief system. I trade stocks and have concentrated for about the last decade on spotting inflections. It is very hard. In trading you must beat the speed of the other guy. Speed is everything. So i fully expect to be ‘ahead of the curve’ on calling a top. I must be to make money. You can catch up in 4 or 5 years when the long term moving average finally indicates what is happening now. It’s also the case that the fastest right guy always has the the bulk of the folks saying “you can’t be right, we all know better” by definition so don’t bother pointing out to me all the other folks saying this isn’t the top of the heat curve. It will only encourage me 😉

  89. @Tom in Texas
    You are telling me that the “best science blog” is not the place for real science?
    @Anna V.
    Exactly, weather vs. Climate.
    @ James Hastings-Trew
    What is the point? Since you claimed I have missed it.
    @Garacka
    The Obama ineligibility thing is utter nonsense. You brought it up on this “science blog” not me. You seem quite convinced though that the conspiracy is happening before our eyes and only a select few “know the truth.” Obama is a US citizen, he was born in Hawaii. This is not a secret plot by the Kenya government to take over our country. Berg and the rest of his buddies have plenty of frivolous law suits that they have brought in the past, and this is just another attempt to try and sit in some spotlight that any rational person can see through. If there was any truth to the claim the right would have been all over it long before now. You are in the same camp that thinks GWBush personally brought down the towers….oh right you are cause that’s what Berg claimed in the past.
    @Everyone Else.
    An open mind and a scrutiny of data is what the driving force of science should be. Climate is a complex thing with numerous variables that we only have a partial understanding of. As we progress, gather more data, gain new techniques and tools to refine data and gain new understanding, as long as we stay truthful to the data, the truth will be ours at the end of the day. That goes for both sides of the argument. Whether you believe in CO2, solar variations, or Washington politician hot air as the driver of climate, nobody at this point in climate science can claim with certainty what the next 50 years or even 100 years will bring.
    I am all about dialogue because that is what helps advance understanding. I have little time for conspiracy theory and pseudoscience.

    REPLY:
    Ok everybody, lets all take a time out. Benjamin P. doesn’t like the place, we get it, move on and limit comments about Obama to the Inauguration day weather thread. – Anthony

  90. @Anthony
    Fair enough, if you would like me to move on, I shall.
    Keep the echos in the echo chamber.
    Good luck folks.
    REPLY: The “move on” was to everyone, to find a new topic, not to suggest you leave.
    Anthony

  91. Benjamin P. (14:18:19)
    Yeah, don’t just take your ball and go home. Your response to ‘everyone else’ earlier is perfectly cogent. Let’s see where the data takes the debate; all chambers echo, but some have better acoustics than others. So let’s have a listen. OK, you’re on.
    ==========================

  92. Benjamin P
    Warmists are most welcome as far as I’m concerned, they keep us on our toes and perhaps both sides learn something new.
    TonyB

  93. Why does Europe need all this Russian gas? Haven’t the Europeans fluorescent light bulbs; abundant, ever-reliable wind turbines; omnipotent solar panels; and many hamsters running in treadmills?

  94. hullo ! Peter Smith (age 64) in Brisbane where it’s so hot i’m tidying the basement library in my underwear (not a pretty sight)
    in reply to G. ALSTON (23:04:44) “But we only have 4 years for Obama to save the world !”
    congratulations on being the first canary. Soon the call will go out that George Washington et al were wrong, four years just isn’t enough ! Obama President for 8 years, 12 years, LIFE – welcome to ‘Zimbabwe on the Potomac’

  95. OK, I will only report the “real” science by real scientists in spite of the fact that real politicians are using corrupted science to regulate and tax the “beegeesus” out of me.
    Here is some “real” science:
    —————————————————————–
    Hysterical Hansen Hype: Obama ‘Has Four Years to Save Earth’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/01/18/hysterical-hansen-hype-obama-has-four-years-save-earth
    ————————————————————-
    How is that for reporting just the real, non-political science?

  96. The closest Canadian station is Edmunston, New Brunswick, which recorded a low of -42C, compared to a normal low of -19C. That’s a bit warmer than Big Black River, but not so as you would notice! Gee, I got back to the topic…

  97. “We may see that [frozen Thames] yet, especially if that little red line keeps ascending like a rocket…”
    Nope, not yet at least. Little red line just took a turn to the right. Small turn.

  98. If you want to know where the red line will go, there is a way to predict it. I predicted it would start to freeze up again, about what, 3 weeks ago, and it did. It was not an off the cuff prediction. I looked at predicted weather patterns. I already know the climate is cold enough to freeze a witch’s tit so that part was easy. All I needed to know was where the ocean currents were at and which way the prevailing winds were blowing. All such information is readily available and easily interpreted. Sea ice behavior is not a mysterious CO2 controlled issue.
    Same is true for temperature inversions. Which is not a phenomena of cosmic rays and solar wind. I studied inversions in relation to sound propagation back in the 70’s. Again, an easily understood weather phenomena, as is sound propagation in such circumstances.
    And me a liberal. You’ld think with that label I should be a nose-ringed drugged up follower of fads.

  99. Thank you for thinking of us here in Canada. To true, when you see temperatures like that in the US on the border it is colder in Canada. We are just finishing off a 5 province wide week long freeze. Sask, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebe and New Brunswick. It was in the minus 30’s in Sask and Manitoba, I think it did get to minus 49 in Thunder Bay, Ontario. It was only minus 20 were I live. Since the cold wave is going across the continent, we are all out of it now except New Brunswick. It has warmed up to a balmy minus 8 here.

  100. Pamela Gray (20:18:02)
    a way to predict [arctic ice]

    Yes, I remember your earlier post on that; and as a newbie I read it with great interest. Thank you for posting it.
    Not knowing much about the entire subject, GW, at least for now I follow a few things so I can see for myself if the GW assertions are valid or not. One of those is, of course, the little red line.
    I also am following the heating-degree days data from NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center, as I have stated on other posts on WUWT. We hear a lot that 2007 was the coldest year world-wide since….well, some say since 2000. By the HDD information, U.S. 2008 was just under 10 percent colder than 2007. Also, the HDD are currently only 1.2 percent less than the 30 year average. But, that is only for the U.S., as I do not know how or where to access more extensive data.
    I do not argue the science much yet, although I am trained in chemistry and physics and math to some extent. No PhD here, just a BS engineer. There is something in the supposed ocean acidification that does not quite sit with me, it rings my “how can THAT be?” bell. Perhaps the problem there is in the accepted (or perhaps contextual) use of “equilibrium.” Ah well. More to research!
    Another thing I follow is sea level rise, and am still reading on previous posts and following the links provided there. Seems very odd that the MSL data from Boulder shows the Pacific just offshore San Francisco is on a decreasing trend. The HCTB (how can THAT be?) bell is ringing again… This is very important data since California enacted the Climate Warming Initiative (AB 32) to stop sea level rise, among other goals.
    I of course follow the extensive discussions on land-temperature measurements, the validity of them, and station modifications.
    There are some empirical data available also that can be used to corroborate the climate warming or cooling trends. One that I follow is sales volume of home heating oil in the U.S. — a fairly good indicator of how cold or warm the eastern U.S. is. Not so good for the entire U.S., but still, it is something.
    Roger E. Sowell
    Marina del Rey, California

  101. Pamela Gray (20:18:02) :
    If you want to know where the red line will go, there is a way to predict it. I predicted it would start to freeze up again, about what, 3 weeks ago, and it did.

    That seems a safe bet, considering its mid January! Another prediction, it will keep freezing up there until mid March and then it will start melting again! As the Pacific PDO has now switched to a neutral state http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomnight.1.15.2009.gif
    expect another record or near record ice melt in the summer. The North Atlantic Currentand the North Cape Current suggest rapid spring melts between Scandinavia and Greenland. If this happens then expect a rapid melt later in the summer north of Siberia and possibly Alaska.

  102. Gerard (03:46:34) :
    “When is a mainstream politician going to be brave enough to say that AGW is a nonsense?”
    First of all AGW is not nonsense. CO2, etc. are greenhouse gases. Land use has also had an impact on climate. However, I think if you add a “C” in front of AGW then I would certainly agree. I have yet to see anything that makes me think additional warming is anything but beneficial. In fact, I think we should coin a new term … BAGW for “Beneficial Anthrogenic Global Warming”.

  103. I served at Loring Air Force Base (Maine) from 1985-1988. Loring (now closed) is just north of Caribou.
    My duties often involved working outdoors. They didn’t like us to work outside when the wind chill hit -60F or more, but otherwise we worked in all sorts of weather and the aircraft had to fly in all except the worst conditions. We never took any snow days and were always expected to report to duty on time regardless of the weather. Lots of people bought snowmobiles as personal transportation.
    Fortunately, the Air Force has lots of experience with cold weather operations and we were issued a good complement of cold weather gear (some of the clothes were marked “US Army Air Force”, which hasn’t existed since 1947) and there were rarely problems with frostbite or hypothermia.
    I don’t recall the actual surface temps, just the wind chill. I sure don’t miss it.

  104. Mary Hinge (03:51:46)
    You sound like you’re taking Minimum Ice Extent less than last year. Well, I’ll take Minimum Ice Extent more than Summer of ’07. That leaves a nice little overlap we can fight over all year and a clear winner out of those two boundaries. Mind you, I tried to bet Andy Revkin last spring that last year’s Minimum Ice Extent wouldn’t be less than Summer of ’07, a bet he almost took, and when I won it, almost acknowledged.
    We are cooling, Mary; for how long even kim doesn’t know.
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  105. lulo, have you noticed that gusts off your Real?Climate controversy have stirred up things at climatesci.org, Pielke Pere’s Pile?
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  106. There are some empirical data available also that can be used to corroborate the climate warming or cooling trends. One that I follow is sales volume of home heating oil in the U.S. — a fairly good indicator of how cold or warm the eastern U.S. is. Not so good for the entire U.S., but still, it is something.
    Roger E. Sowell
    Roger I wouldn’t pay to much attention to the stats from Maine. Last year when prices hit $4.50+/gallon many people were turned off and started buying pellet stoves and purchasing extra firewood. Some were eager to sign contracts with a guaranteed price only to find when heating season arrived their contracts were way over priced. I along with thousands of other families in Maine lost trust in the heating oil supply and cut back or went to alternative heat (wood, space heaters, etc.).
    During the recent cold spell I went through a lot of firewood and very little fuel oil.

  107. Yes, and the funny thing is that the whole debacle is the simple result of someone at RealClimate who wasn’t very careful with cutting and pasting. I profusely apologized for the incident, though I had little fault in the whole misunderstanding, and everyone seems to be happy. The other participants have done the same. Overall, good will come of this, because more people will take notice of Dr. Pielke’s excellent opinion piece.

  108. I agree with Benjamin on laying off the politics. I know sometimes it is hard to resist. But it isn’t really a Dems vs Repubs thing. For those of you who can’t stand Obama remember John McCain agreed with him on AGW. We had no choice there. The problem is with a Dem congress he can pass his agenda even if it is directly in conflict with the data. Sometimes gridlock in Washington is a blessing.

  109. Novoburgo (08:53:56)
    “Roger I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the [heating oil] stats from Maine.”

    Good point on customers switching to lower-cost alternatives such as wood-pellet stoves, plus I suspect that the sales volume of heating oil is affected by economic activity – greater in good times, lesser in worse times.
    I have also wondered about other anecdotal/empirical evidence as a measure of warming/cooling, e.g. citrus groves being grown farther and farther south if cooling dominates, permafrost line extent in Canada, ice-road duration in the Arctic, ice fishing season duration, number of school closing days due to snow/cold, sales quantities of Arctic diesel fuel, the number of tire chain days due to snow, the number of ski-resort days open per year, perhaps a few others. I am aware that some ski resorts manufacture artificial snow, but if the air is too warm the snow does not form.
    One wise-a$$ friend (I have several of those) told me he just follows the sales floor-space of bikinis in Alaska. 😉 I asked him where he gets his data, and he just laughed.
    It seems to me that if the globe truly is warming, then there should be measurable impacts on such things.
    Is anybody else following any of that?
    Roger E. Sowell

  110. Here’s Saturday’s bulletin for Lake Erie from the Canadian Ice Service:

    Western Lake Erie.
    9 to 10 tenths of thin lake ice including 2 tenths of medium lake ice
    except 9 to 10 tenths of medium lake ice in the southern section east
    of Avon pt. Consolidated medium lake ice in the western basin.
    Eastern Lake Erie.
    Open water in the central section east of Long Point except 9 tenths
    of thin lake ice including 3 tenths of medium lake ice elsewhere.

    I am still waiting for them to update the graph showing overall Great Lakes ice coverage.

  111. Roger Sowell (13:48:55) :

    I have also wondered about other anecdotal/empirical evidence as a measure of warming/cooling, e.g. citrus groves being grown farther and farther south if cooling dominates, permafrost line extent in Canada, ice-road duration in the Arctic, ice fishing season duration, number of school closing days due to snow/cold, sales quantities of Arctic diesel fuel, the number of tire chain days due to snow, the number of ski-resort days open per year, perhaps a few others. I am aware that some ski resorts manufacture artificial snow, but if the air is too warm the snow does not form.
    Is anybody else following any of that?

    I track snow fall and snow depth days (like heating degree days only simpler) for several folks around New England. My conclusion is that comparing those is as foolish as trying to link North Atlantic hurricane activity to climate. We have very wide swings from year to year. Some years my data tracked Derry (30 miles away) well, other years the rain/snow line frequently was between us.
    Today I have 19″ of snow on the ground. Last year I had the same. Snow Depth Days (the sum of all the daily snow depths) is 279 this season, it was 761 last year. Major snows in December 2007, big January thaw in 2008. Quieter and colder this year, pretty much in line with Joe D’Aleo’s forecast.
    See http://wermenh.com/sdd/ for more and links to annual data.
    We like to look forward to “ice out” dates on the major lakes, that’s also too variable to be much use except over a several decades.

  112. I know such cold. Morton WY (about 30 mi. NW of Riverton), winter of 83-84. About three months where the high would be 10 below (that’s Fahrenheit). We recorded – 54. Had to take my battery in every night and place shovels full of hot coals under the engine/tranny every morning to be able to start the engine and shift a manual tranny.
    Global Warming is becoming a harder sell. More and more people I talk to are starting to say it’s a crock.

  113. Roger Sowell (03:32:43) :
    There is something in the supposed ocean acidification that does not quite sit with me, it rings my “how can THAT be?” bell. Perhaps the problem there is in the accepted (or perhaps contextual) use of “equilibrium.”

    I see 3 problems with ‘acidification’.
    1) We’ve had much higher CO2 before, why did coral et. al. not go extinct then? The ‘disastrous’ part seems hobbled by an existence proof to the contrary.
    2) The ocean is just chock full of all sorts of ‘buffer salts’. It would take a lot to get a significant pH shift. Maybe they are just counting H2CO3 in and not actual pH as ‘acidification’? Any significant acid conditions ought to result in more CO2 outgassing, IIRC. Data on long term CO2 concentration in the ocean ought to directly tell you the degree of ingress, if any.
    3) There are an awful lot of precipitated alkaline materials on the planet. I’d expect any acidification to result in fairly quick neutralization. (From Ca+ and Mg+ et. al. containing rocks to manganese nodules to ???) There is one heck of a lot of ocean bottom out there. So is there any evidence of a differential pH between top layers and others?
    Seems very odd that the MSL data from Boulder shows the Pacific just offshore San Francisco is on a decreasing trend. The HCTB (how can THAT be?) bell is ringing again… This is very important data since California enacted the Climate Warming Initiative (AB 32) to stop sea level rise, among other goals.
    See! It worked!! 8-}
    Given that coastal California is a very active geologic region, and that the coastal mountains are still having uplift, I would not use it as a measure of what is going up and what is going down… When the plate under Indonesia let go in 2004 and made the big tsunami the ocean bottom popped up several meters in one go. When the San Andreas last moved under my feet I think it was about 6 feet sideways (don’t know the uplift if any).
    From:
    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/events/1989_10_18.php
    Six feet of right-lateral strike-slip and 4 feet of reverse-slip was inferred from geodetic data. The only surface fracturing that might be attributed to primary tectonic faulting occurred along a trace of the San Andreas near Mount Madonna Road in the Corralitos area, where en echelon cracks showed 2 centimeters of right-lateral displacement.
    Most likely it’s that the ocean is cooling, but it would take other measurements to prove that California is not going up… it’s certainly slip sliding away 😉
    There are some empirical data available also that can be used to corroborate the climate warming or cooling trends. One that I follow is sales volume of home heating oil in the U.S.
    Orange juice futures follow the weather in Florida and South Texas most of the time. Spikes are unusual freezes or hurricanes. Wheat futures follow global weather as each region production is predicted (with some bias to U.S. data and reflecting freezes that kill planted wheat before harvest). I would also expect road salt sales data to closely follow coldness anywhere east of the West coast.
    Frankly, if there were any shift of 30 year weather zones, I’d expect Sunset to know about it and be changing their Garden Book. I think they may depend on all the county ag departments to tell them changes is first / last freeze days. Worth a call though.

  114. I’d also expect ‘days road closed’ to be available data. For example, the main highway through Yosemite closes due to snow each year as does 104 or 108? near by. There ought to be a whole series of minor highways in mountains that are not plowed with recorded dates of closure (legal need for records by governments to document actions…)

  115. From:
    http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/36815194.html
    By Scott Williams of the Journal Sentinel
    Posted: Dec. 28, 2008
    […]
    With another season of heavy snow already stretching some road salt supplies, Ohio state officials are calling for increased cooperation with their Midwest neighbors in managing government’s most precious winter commodity.
    […]
    The move toward regional coordination is seen as a possible solution to a conundrum facing local governments in Wisconsin as they confront a second consecutive winter with repeated snowfall tapping salt stockpiles.
    […]
    Despite procuring 1,300 tons of road salt this year – 200 tons more than last year – Greendale already has used about 30% of its supply and has announced plans to curtail salting on some residential streets.
    Michaels expressed doubts that the village could purchase more salt if snow continues bombarding area roadways the way it has the first few weeks of winter.
    “That’s what concerns us – that it’s so early,” he said.
    Last year’s near-record accumulations in Wisconsin created widespread shortages of road salt and sharp price increases that had some cities, counties and other government agencies paying as much as $134 a ton – more than three times the normal price.
    Ohio investigators released their report Dec. 15, saying that road salt consumption in Wisconsin and other Midwestern states last year was 700,000 tons above average combined. Those same states boosted advance orders dramatically this year, again straining supplies and creating a demand spike, the report says.

  116. E.M. Smith
    You are so right on the earthquakes moving and lifting the area. The Northridge quake in 1994 was reported to have lifted the nearby mountain range by 2 feet. I think that was the San Gabriel mountains.
    But what is puzzling me about the Boulder data for MSL is the data is from satellite measurements, and those are supposedly unbiased by land elevation. I also read that the satellites are calibrated from land sites. Seems contradictory. I also do not see how the sea surface changes when the sea floor is shifted by an earthquake. I must research all this more to increase my understanding.
    I like your explanation on salt for the roads. But you probably know of the antics of Seattle this past month, where salt was forbidden on their snowy roads. Seems the enviros blocked salt usage on the grounds the salt would alter the aquatic environment. So, they used sand. And the cars could not obtain traction. A city bus made the news when it nearly slid over an embankment. Then other scientists showed that the sand was more deleterious than salt, because when the snow melts, the sand filled in crevices and such in the streams, thereby altering the natural flow of the streams.

  117. I like your explanation on salt for the roads. But you probably know of the antics of Seattle this past month, where salt was forbidden on their snowy roads. Seems the enviros blocked salt usage on the grounds the salt would alter the aquatic environment. So, they used sand. And the cars could not obtain traction. A city bus made the news when it nearly slid over an embankment. Then other scientists showed that the sand was more deleterious than salt, because when the snow melts, the sand filled in crevices and such in the streams, thereby altering the natural flow of the streams.

    Tell me about it. The area was pretty much disabled for a couple of days. I live about 70 miles north of Seattle, we got about a foot and a half over 4 days, never got above 30 degrees for about 7 days or more, so the snow stayed the entire time and just kept piling up. There was some compaction and sublimation on the rare cloud breaks which occurred, had that not happened we would have had closer to 2 feet.
    In my small town they didn’t bother sanding the hillier roads, they just closed them off. It was fun driving my wife to work for 7 days…

  118. Roger Sowell (22:13:14) : I also do not see how the sea surface changes when the sea floor is shifted by an earthquake.
    Water ‘piles up’ over the extra mass of higher ocean bottom due to more gravity. It isn’t much, but enough that the presence of mountains on the ocean bottom can be read as bumps in the ocean surface.
    But you probably know of the antics of Seattle this past month, where salt was forbidden on their snowy roads. Seems the enviros blocked salt usage on the grounds the salt would alter the aquatic environment. So, they used sand.
    Had not heard of that. GAK! Someone needs to tell them that most fish have a wide salt tolerance but that sand covered eggs suffocate. I would not want to move a fresh water fish into the ocean, but a mild brackish water is used when they get ‘skin problems’ as a medicinal.
    Where are the adults in all this process?

  119. E.M.Smith (23:32:38) :
    Roger Sowell (22:13:14) : I also do not see how the sea surface changes when the sea floor is shifted by an earthquake.

    I should also add that my original intent was not to say the Indonesia sea floor lift changed sea surface height, but rather that land can move vertically a lot in seismic events. (I might also add that when one chunk of land goes up, even if under water, nearby land may shift too – general uplift or counter trend down if it relaxes stress on a nearby area. Basically, the land moves. Sometimes a lot.)

  120. “… I have also wondered about other anecdotal/empirical evidence as a measure of warming/cooling, e.g. citrus groves being grown farther and farther south if cooling dominates…
    Is anybody else following any of that?…”
    I am in mid North Carolina. My equines started growing winter coats at the end of July and my lambs and kids were born more than a month early. (heat makes rams and bucks sterile so they can not breed until the temp stays cool)
    The upper boundries of wild plants are also a good indicator of climate change but animals have a faster response compared to the migration of plant species.
    On journalists and the Media. As my newspaper editor/reporter relatives pointed out “freedom of the press” mean the OWNER of the press has the freedom NOT the reporter. Derry Brownfield getting kicked off the air for reporting negative information about Monsanto is an example of how “Free” the US media actually is. http://irjci.blogspot.com/2008_04_27_archive.html

  121. Corrinne Novak — thanks! VERY interesting!
    So, if I understand correctly, the temperatures dropped approximately one month earlier than usual, the rams got randy, and the lambs arrived also one month early?
    I am in Southern California, and am watching for the snow build up in Yosemite valley. We are supposed to be entering a long period of drought and climate warming in the Sierras, according to the AGW experts. So, when Yosemite is filled with snow in June and July, I suspect maybe that will be clear and convincing proof that the place is cooling.
    We also have a big ski resort at Mammoth Mountain, not far from Yosemite on the east side of the Sierras. We sometimes get so much snow that Mammoth stays open into June. It will be interesting to watch the snow extent in Mammoth each summer over the next 10 years.
    Anyone interested can follow along at this website for Badger Pass ski resort in Yosemite:
    http://www.yosemitepark.com/DailySnowReport.aspx
    And this one for Mammoth:
    http://www.mammothmountain.com/skirpt.htm

  122. Is September cold and dry – Global Warming.
    Does the spring sleet sting your eye – Global Warming!
    Though December’s ten below,
    In July a foot of snow,
    There’s just one cause, don’t you know –
    Global Warming!!
    (For Al Gore, inventor of the Internet, and a C- science student in college.)
    Erik Stumpfel
    Sangerville Maine

  123. More evidence of global warming:
    Two weeks ago, the Bangor (Maine) Daily News published a photo of a harp seal on the ice in the Penobscot River (central Maine). The caption noted that the harp seal is a native of the high arctic, but has been extending its range south for the past 10 or 12 years.
    The obvious irony escaped the editors of the BDN a week later, when they published yet another article on the supposed future effects of “global warming” – in the very same issue that reported confirmation that Maine had indeed set a new record low of minus 50 (F).
    Record low temperatures, arctic seals moving south – sure sounds like global warming to me (not).
    Think about it – politicians who espouse the global warming nonsense are the same ones who have just passed the largest spending bill in U.S. history, without debate, before those voting on the bill even had a chance to read it. “Global warming” is nothing more than a “willing suspension of disbelief” litmus test; i.e., if we can get them to believe this one, they’ll buy anything we have to sell.
    Aren’t you glad we have such smart people in charge now?

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