First let me say I apologize to my readers. I’m going to editorialize a bit.
Apparently nothing is off limits anymore. Now we can all honestly say that Greenpeace has abandoned any pretense of using science. It’s all about the message they believe. The message here appears to be a double fallacy packed into a slick CGI animation designed specifically to target children during the holiday season.
Greenpeace now has hit rock bottom on the credibility scale in my opinion. The next time Greenpeace cites science in a press release or blog entry, be sure to link this video in comments.
And if you see this video being aired on your local or national TV channel and find it troubling as I do, may I remind you that you can exercise your rights with a complaint to the FCC. Better yet, write to Greenpeace also and tell them what you think about this.
I await now the corruption of “Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus”.
Graeme Rodaughan (14:35:12) :
“Mike D. (13:47:10) :
Dear PeteM,
Since you posted the exact same comment on two different post threads, I will too.
Actually Mike – on a close reading there are slight differences, possibly indicating a desire on the part of the author “PeteM” to tailor his message to the particular thread.
He added “I’m not a member of Greenpeace but they have a clear point (even though I may not always agree with evertything they say) – the Earth is not an infinite resource that is immune to the effect of human activity.” to the second post.
The essence of his message seems to be the warning “But the idea that on average the world isn’t going to change due to increasing the concentrations of CO2 is really taking a step too far…..”
PeteM – Is that what you are trying to say. If so – no drama – no one here is saying that increasing concentrations of CO2 will not “on average” cause change to the world…..”
Response : –
As mentioned on the other thread — I thought this thread had finished so copied to the thread about Hansen’s presentation ( and made a few modifications as I did so) . Seems some folks are overly suspicious about this .
BTW personally (IMHO) – I think the debate on the Hansen presentation thread is the best I’ve seen on this website .
“designed specifically to target children during the holiday season.”
I didn’t get this from the video. It seemed to appeal to a more adult/sarcastic group rather than kids.
Has anyone seen this: Antarctica: A Call to Action
It begins: “Few people have actually witnessed, first-hand, the effects of climate change on Antarctica. But Sebastian Copeland, an award-winning photographer and environmental activist, has made it a personal mission to document this fragile and quickly changing part of the world. His latest book, “Antarctica: A Call to Action” does that through images.”
You’ve got to hand it to them: they sure know how to “sell the product”. Too bad it’s snake oil.
Troy (15:24:30) : wrote:
“designed specifically to target children during the holiday season.”
I didn’t get this from the video. It seemed to appeal to a more adult/sarcastic group rather than kids.
Sure as heck found a sarcastic group over here.
In the same vein, Al Gore’s five year prediction for total loss of Arctic ice in 5 years has got a majestic 8,500 views on YouTube, with 33 comments to date.
…. and every single one of the 33 comments are negative, sarcastic and some downright vitriolic. When the contingency, class action attorneys, looking for the billions in damages he will inevitably cause, have him in Federal Court, this is the type of juror he might expect:
Armigerous (One week ago)
[snip, people can go look for themselves, but we don’t use that language here]
~ charles the moderator
Sorry Charles, I just got carried away by how much it made me laugh. I now know the boundaries.
Greenpeace is, and has been for some years, an organisation whose primary concern is the selling of memberships in order to pay the administration.
Awww… That’s cute (crap).
PeteM said: “The idea that deliberately allowing the atmosphere to change composition can never have negative effect ( unless of course it’s proved to a standard well beyond that used from any other decisions) is simply complacent .”
How dare that arrogant atmosphere! We certainly can’t allow it to change! We must control it! Now!
Adolfo Giurfa (10:45:09) :
Evidently there´s big money behind this and an also big need for power. This is what logic says; then THEY don´t have the power yet…
I hate to feed this… I really really do… but the fact is that the use of control of energy supply as a means to social control has a long history.
England restricted access to the forests for fuel for this reason, and the crown restricted and taxed access to coal mines in the same way. In my paranoid moments I wonder if this is just another page from the past being recycled. Then I shake it off and await the arrival of data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_tax_post
http://www.internalcombustionbook.com/Hostmen.php
PeteM (13:51:14) :
Graeme Rodaughan (14:35:12) :
If I caused offence – none intended.
BTW: Yes I am somewhat suspicious. I think “Man Made Emissions of CO2 causes Catastrophic Global Warming” is a huge lie.
I don’t think it’s a lie. Just a rather severe error.
“Greenpeace is, and has been for some years, an organisation whose primary concern is the selling of memberships in order to pay the administration.”
I believe GP gets most of its money as donations and they also refuse to make the sources of these donations public.
“..the crown restricted and taxed access to coal mines in the same way.”
Yes, but it was Thatcher who in Britain killed both the coal industry as well as the labour unions with the help of the Falkland “war” – a distracting false flag operation for the very purpose – first to replace the industry with nuclear power and to centralize/consolidate the political power related to energy – and secondly – by letting the nuclear industry rotten through “free market” capitalism – she made sure that the transition into neo-feudalism would be a lot easier once the opportunity would arrive…
But well, she was just following orders from the malthusian Royal Family and their central banker.
And as most of us here probably know already – Mrs. Thatcher played a key role in bringing up the whole issue of CO2 into politics also – some 30+ years ago.
So, it’s truly amazing how far they’ve gotten already without any major opposition so far…