First let me say I apologize to my readers. I’m going to editorialize a bit.
Apparently nothing is off limits anymore. Now we can all honestly say that Greenpeace has abandoned any pretense of using science. It’s all about the message they believe. The message here appears to be a double fallacy packed into a slick CGI animation designed specifically to target children during the holiday season.
Greenpeace now has hit rock bottom on the credibility scale in my opinion. The next time Greenpeace cites science in a press release or blog entry, be sure to link this video in comments.
And if you see this video being aired on your local or national TV channel and find it troubling as I do, may I remind you that you can exercise your rights with a complaint to the FCC. Better yet, write to Greenpeace also and tell them what you think about this.
I await now the corruption of “Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus”.
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I’m a bit confused about the point it’s trying to make. I thought Santa’s reindeer and sleigh flew through the air. Wouldn’t there be more rising thermals off open ocean?
I would hope that most TV stations would have enough sense to air this late at night (if then). Pure emotional garbage that will probably only appeal to their donors.
I wonder who is paying to air that. Soros?
I’m not a member of Greenpeace but they have a clear point (even though I may not always agree with evertything they say) – the Earth is not an infinite resource that is immune to the effect of human activity.
We are approaching a particular holiday so Happy Christmas to all those adding comments on this forum .
As someone who happens to agree with the accumulating evidence about MMGW/AGW I wish to remind the majority of those profering opinons here that you are repeatedly hearing a particular sceptical point of view on this forum . Very few comments here challange this view or express a view outside of that philosophy .
I’ve spent the afternoon enjoying a few (alcoholic) beverages with a relative who has spent 20 plus years in the area of biological research and foresty. When I asked then about whether there were significant changes indicating the world was warming (in line with MMGW) his unequivocal answer was yes.
I’m not saying everyone understands all details of what is going to happen .
I’m not saying computer models should be believed as the truth .
But the idea that on average the world isn’t going to change due to increasing the concentrations of CO2 is really taking a step too far…..
Hopefully 2009 will be a better year for all .
that movie is just plain silly.
Yep, what a LOW blow…..They will not stop! It really is a JOKE! If Santa can go down Chimneys, He can fly thru anything….Right? He doesn’t need a Ship!…LOL! Period!
It’s a sailboat in the commercial when in reality their boat is a big time poluting clunker boat.
PeteM
your friend must have that oppinion or he won’t get any grant money.
@PeteM,
What I think you don’t understand about many of the people that come here is not that we don’t believe that the climate is changing. It’s that we don’t think that the insignificant insect that is man is able to change the course of temperature increases or decreases. It speaks to the arrogance that is man to think that despite the millions of years of climate change that has been occurring on the planet, that it is supposed to stop now because we are on the scene.
I used to gullible enough to believe in the “sky if falling” predictions of Gore and his ilk, but I have as of yet to see an ozone hole over North America. The secular religion of “Man is destroying the planet” is what has made me a skeptic of MMGW.
PeteM
I’m happy to say, at this festive time, that on this blog we get both sides of the equation. It is you who needs to spend more time here so that you will learn more about CO2. Your fear of this life giving gas is irrational.
Merry Christmas.
I wonder if they realize that the language they used reads: “Climate change hits everybody save Santa Claus”.
Technically a true statement.
Dear PeteM,
Since you posted the exact same comment on two different post threads, I will too.
I’ve spent 35 plus years in the area of biological research and forestry, and I can unequivocally assure you that there have been NO significant changes indicating the world was warming. I challenge the conclusions of your unnamed, ‘expert’ relative. Tell him or her that I am willing to debate them on that point in this forum or any other.
I think that the video clip is so stupid and comical that it is of no concern at all. The more far-out that Greenpeace and the other hypsters get, the more people smell a rat. They are hurting their own cause, IMHO.
And to folks like PeteM, may I suggest that you pick some particular part of the AGW “problem” that interests you (ice melting, disease, sea-levels, whatever) and study that one part in detail. I can almost guarantee that you will find there is very little real science behind the fears.
This is from Scientific, realist, atheists and agnostics????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Pete M wrote:
“I’ve spent the afternoon enjoying a few (alcoholic) beverages with a relative who has spent 20 plus years in the area of biological research and foresty. When I asked then about whether there were significant changes indicating the world was warming (in line with MMGW) his unequivocal answer was yes.”
Given that biodiversity actually increases in warmer temperatures (more energy available to the biosphere), could it be that your friend sees such changes in more species? Hmmm… I thought not.
With about 8″ of global warming in my yard, and 4 more expected tomorrow I would be very happy to see the planet go up a degree or so. However, I would like PeteM to show the “accumulating evidence” that counters much of what the data we see on this site.
Comparing the Arctic now and last year … http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=12&fd=20&fy=2007&sm=12&sd=20&sy=2008
I was waiting to see if a house full of elves was going to fall off the ice cliff. That would have been cool. -grin-
Greenpeace is a joke, and has been for a long time. This “commercial” won’t get much play.
Two points
1/ Santa doesn’t exist (sorry kids) just like significant AGW!
2/ Even Santa thought that clip was vomit worthy!
MikeD says:
Can we use the relative proportions of C3 vs C4 plants to tell us anything about CO2 levels over the last 750,000 years?
Fun-detail, the ship has a Dutch flag.
We have Sinterklaas over here in the Netherlands instead of Santa Claus. Sinterklaas traditionally arrives each year in November (usually on a Saturday) by steamboat from Spain (even though the bishop was originally from Asia Minor).
Steampowered usually means coal-fired, oh my…
More on him, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas
And with respect to the first “Hot Propaganda” video, which was made for a Portuguese environmental organization, Quercus, you can leave comments in: , which is the official website for that video.
I am Portuguese and was quite ashamed with it. I know people which are affiliated to that organization but that are know considering dropping off after I showed them the video. It’s just plain disgusting!
Although environmentally aware for the best part of 30 years, sickened when the French sabotaged The Rainbow Warrier, and all for for the development of clean and sustainable technologies, videos of this nature turn my stomach. This sort of sensationalist trash serves no useful purpose and may even have an adverse effect on mankind.
Shame on Gore and his alarmist disciples for indulging in such idiocy.
I can’t tell… Does Santa puke or is that snot about 29 seconds into it… Who cares about science when you can get computers to do your bidding? Whether it be climate models or animated clips portraying our doom, it’s all propaganda…
If people weren’t so gullible it would be funny.
Sorry about my last comment! Let’s see if I can get the URL right (a “preview” option would be nice):
And with respect to the first “Hot Propaganda” video, which was made for a Portuguese environmental organization, Quercus, you can leave comments , which is the official website for that video.
I am Portuguese and was quite ashamed with it. I know people which are affiliated to that organization but that are know considering dropping off after I showed them the video. It’s just plain disgusting!
I give up… the URL is http://www.quercustv.org/spip.php?article181#forum171