During our last check in, we had a look at northern Canada from the Arctic Circle to the North pole, and found we had quite a ways to go before we see an “ice free arctic” this year as some have speculated.
Today I did a check of the NASA rapidfire site for TERRA/MODIS satellite images and grabbed a view showing northern Greenland all the way to the North Pole.
There’s some bergy bits on the northeastern shore of Greenland, but in the cloud free area extending all the way to the pole, it appears to still be solid ice.
Click for a larger image – Note: image has been rotated 90° clockwise and sat view sector icon and time stamp added, along with “N” for north pole marker.
Link to original source image is here:
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?T082121805
With more than half of the summer melt season gone, it looks like an uphill battle for an ice-free arctic this year.
Here is another view from today from the Aqua satellite:
Click for a larger image – Note: image has been rotated 90° counter- clockwise and sat view sector icon and time stamp added, along with “N” for north pole marker.
Source image is here:
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?A082121655
This dovetails with a press release and news story about more ice than normal in the Barents Sea
From the Barents Observer:
http://www.barentsobserver.com/?cat=16149&id=4498513
New data from the Norwegian Meteorological Institute shows that there is more ice than normal in the Arctic waters north of the Svalbard archipelago.
In most years, there are open waters in the area north of the archipelago in July month. Studies from this year however show that the area is covered by ice, the Meteorological Institute writes in a press release.
In mid-July, the research vessel Lance and the Swedish ship MV Stockholm got stuck in ice in the area and needed help from the Norwegian Coast Guard to get loose.
The ice findings from the area spurred surprise among the researchers, many of whom expect the very North Pole to be ice-free by September this year.
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Interesting. Just today CNN ran a tease saying a large chunk of an ice shelf collapsed in the arctic; the job of manipulating minds goes on 24/7.
But don’t you know that experts say by 2013 it will be ice free up there? Experts don’t lie.
You think that’s bad, check out the mass panic here: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/080729/canada/technology_iceshelf_fracture. Especially the comments. WTF are these kids learning in school?
Yes the same story was running on my local news channel. I was looking for
some truth in the matter. Seems climateaudit.org has a good post up on the matter
Beat me to it. I commented on that story here.
18 sq km out of over 7 million sq km floats away and it’s front page news. It’s amazing to watch, really.
“With more than half of the summer melt season gone, it looks like an uphill battle for an ice-free arctic this year.”
Uphill battle indeed.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
If this were in Vegas I’d definitely be taking the over.
Experts may not lie, but they tend to lack humility and perspective.
Sam “Propaganda” Champion said this year’s ice melt was just as high as last years this morning on Good Morning America and the Ice Shelf break-up was yet another sign of Global Warming. You can’t let facts get in the way of a good lie.
Err, correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t all the headlines earlier about an ice free North Pole (still quite possible as there is another 7 weeks before peak melt), not an ice free Arctic, something quite different.
Well my dear friend, what do you make of all that?
“We’re all gonna die! Look! The ice is slipping off Greenland! It’s all moving south and will flood New York City! Save yourself!” — runs off, flailing his arms frantically…
You’ll have to excuse my friend; the news seems to have hit him hard. No, not the silly news about an old ice shelf. The real news that we seem to be headed for a period of cooling for the next few decades. Will not do his portfolio, which is heavy on carbon credits trading and ‘green’ products, much good.
Speaking of that old ice shelf breaking apart, there’s an interesting piece on that today at Climate Audit with a fascinating historical piece you can download at:
http://www.geo.umass.edu/climate/papers2/bradley2008.pdf
Seems that old ice shelf has been disintegrating since the late 19th century. No news here — move along, move along.
If the ice were melting, then the ice cover would be retracting, not expanding and breaking off. The fact that ice is being pushed into the sea means that there is pressure behind the ice, usually from precipitation [snow], piling up and forcing the ice out, where it eventually breaks off into the sea. The same thing happens when a glacier expands: a build up of ice pressure pushes the glacier out.
This is indicative of cooling, not warming.
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Far from reach! The Ice is actually growing!
What about this idiot who is kayaking to the ‘ice free’ north pole
Think he might be in for a tough paddle
I think the evidence ways in favor of a global warming component going on over the past few years but correlating it to human CO2 output is another thing altogether.
Experts! My dad always used to say that an “ex” is a has-been and a “spurt” is just a drip under pressure, maybe that’s why I’m so skeptical of the ‘experts.’
Smokey: Logic was never the strong suit of the warmers. If it’s colder it’s because of global warming; if it’s warmer it’s because of global warming; if it wetter it’s because… well, you get the drift… ;P
should be :p
no luck with the smilies… 😉
REPLY: I’ve turned them off, they kept screwing up dates like (2008) – Anthony
” REPLY: I’ve turned them off, they kept screwing up dates like (2008) – Anthony”
BLESS YOU.
What is the new date on when Florida will be under water?
Fears of his ice fortress melting is causing Al to act rashly
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/al_gore_places_infant_son_in
Arctic Ice, Pshaw!
Today in the Uk, and in the wake of ‘record’ rises in food prices, British Gas announced an increase of 35% in Gas charges to consumers.
I propose that all UK anti-AGW residents should turn their minds to the following:
(1) Calculate how much, each 1 degree (C AND F) rise in Average Global temperatures would reduce the average UK domestic-fuel bill. (Daily Mail Newspaper- january 12th 2009- “IPCC predict UK families better off £150 per annum by 2020 due to Global Warming!”
(2) Calculate how much, each ppm increase in Co2 would reduce the average UK domestic food-fuel bill by increasing the availability of edible biomass.
(BBC strapline 13th Feb 2010- “Plants love MonoCarbon Dioxide”- Official!)
(BBC strapline – 14th February 2010 – “Excess Manmade Co2 production threatens survival of lupin says ex Monty Python star!)
(3) Work out how to prevent apoplexic life-ending consequences after reading the transcript of PM Harriet Harmens’ interview with Roger Harrabin of the BBC in which they both deplore how they, and VP Hansen, were misled by ‘the scientific community’ about CO2.
(BBC Strapline- anytime soon- “DiHydrogen Monoxide and the sun god Apollo – Will they ever be brought to Justice?”)
Apologies about the uk-centric nature of this post but, apparently, English-channel fog has just signed a non-aggression treaty with the Firth of Forth – therefore, the rest of you must feel a bit cut-off at the moment.
Anyway, how could anything I’ve just said be applicable to anywhere else?
Tea anyone?
Looking at that first satellite image, you see the Greenland ice sheets. What is hard to believe, at least until I saw these pics, were early explorer reports of 2 km high cliffs on the North-West tip of greenland.
Now, knowing that those ice sheets are 2 km deep, and I can still see land sticking oput, right at the edge of Greenland, I appreciate how it must be true.
I suddenly feel the need to go there.
Just a few months ago some highfalutin scientist was quoted in an article saying that the chances for Arctic waters being ice free this summer was greater that 50/50. Now he obviously can’t predict 2-3 months ahead and yet he wants us to believe that this same rock solid judgment of his gives him high confidence for what he believes is going to happen in 20-30 years? These scientists are so full of themselves; they need to study the effects of hubris on scientific judgement.