Still lots of cold air coming in from the Arctic. Looks like the heat wave in NYC is coming down too. Only 8 days until the summer solstice, the sunlight distribution on our sphere is looking pretty much like a sine wave:
Sonic,
Check out the NASA website lots of information there. It’s pretty easy to navigate.
DAV
June 12, 2008 1:35 pm
Ralph S (12:02:34) :
The fact that the planet has been warming at the same rate during the past 100 years that it has since the 1600’s is an astonishingly effective falsification, refuting anthropogenic global warming. The AGW hypothesis will never recover from that fact alone.”
Even the pdf you linked shows the multiple interpretations possible in the temperature record. I don’t think it can be said that the temperature record has “an astonishingly effective falsification” of AGW. In fact, if it were so obvious, the IPCC and “the consensus” would have to be deliberately deceptive to be saying otherwise (IOW: abject liars). While it is likely true that many climatologists have AGW bias and are closet greens, but I doubt that they are callously dishonest.
Still it would be interesting to see the rebuttal of this paper. Too bad it wasn’t peer-reviewed (or was it?).
Steve Stip (12:38:29) :
Yes, but where will all that fanaticism go next?
Good question. You can bet it will be to yet another emotional issue along with same appeals to emotion: “for YOUR future”, “for YOUR children”, “for YOUR quality of life”, “for YOUR safety”, etc. It will also continue to push for changes that will permit invasive control of others. It goes without saying the control would be a double plus good.
Mark Nodine
June 12, 2008 1:39 pm
Ralph S.: Another nail in the coffin of the UN/IPCC is this peer reviewed paper.
If the paper of Syun-Ichi Akasofu that you referenced was peer-reviewed, where was it published? I can’t see any evidence that it’s anything but a samizdat.
Gary Gulrud
June 12, 2008 1:47 pm
Here near the 45th parallel we’re finally having the weather for which we endure the winter; sunny, breezy, low 70’s.
Lots of rain for boaters, also promising for those farmers not in corn this season.
Mike Kelley
June 12, 2008 2:18 pm
Here in Montana, we had a hard frost most places on the 11th of June. The high where I live was only 48 yesterday with a stiff wind. The Beartooth Mountains are still accumulating snow, and we are expecting high water when it finally warms up. If it warms up.
DAV —
“Wanna bet on the outcome?”
We *know* what the outcome will be — this time. And we know the Europe is descending into socialist hell, and has been doing so for years; socialist policies have made it too expensive to have kids, and the Europeans aren’t reproducing in enough numbers to sustain the population. And that’s exactly why this was an important article. Despite the certainty of the outcome and the politics being what they are, these people are going after greenpeace anyway. That’s what’s called a clear message. The greens are now being taken on and fought. It won’t be long before the greens will lose some battles. But before that can happen, it has to be proven that they can and ought to be fought. This does that.
David S
June 12, 2008 2:45 pm
Last October we took a fall color tour to Traverse City MI. But there were no fall colors because the temperature during the day was still above 80. That’s almost 20 degrees above normal for that time of year. We went swimming in the Grand Traverse bay on Oct 8. That’s almost unheard of.
This year we are planning a summer vacation there next week. But now the forecast calls for high temps in the low 60s. That’s a bit brisk for swimming. Normal high should be 77. We’ll hope the forecast is wrong.
I remember someone at dot Earth screaming about the hot summer of 2007 claiming every part of the USA had record-breaking heat. It never happened, it was yet another false memory induced by a media stampede. There was a stalled high pressure area over the northwest & rockies that made them hot, but the majority of the 48 was cooler than normal.
I pointed it out. The poster never ack’d.
What really gets me is the near religiosity of these AGWers… you’d think one little cite would give them an opportunity to become a bit more agnostic, recant some of the doom & gloom, but they’re fact-resistant. It’s as if if they recant on one point then their apostasy will doom them to purgatory or something.
Ralph S:
Thank you. Goes to show you what kind of consensus there really is. Akasofu is no lightweight either: http://www.iarc.uaf.edu/people/indiv/iarc_all_staff.php?photo=sakasofu
What boggles my mind is that the IPCC juggernaught continues to trundle along, Al Gore blowing smoke up everyone’s butt, etc.
R John
June 12, 2008 4:17 pm
Long range models show a pattern flip starting Monday for most of the eastern half of the country with highs in the 70’s for at least a week in many places in the Midwest that normally see 83 – 85 this time of the year.
One thing that has seemed to occur often over the last ten years or so is that warm years (globally) have tended to coincide with very warm January’s in the NH. This year had a below average January (of course, depending on the baseline you choose), so if the trend continues expect this year to be average or slightly above at the most.
Steve in SC
June 12, 2008 4:41 pm
Well, it has been conclusively proven that humans are the cause of temperature rise, particularly when they gather en masse in places like cities.
Why, the hot air from the politicians alone is worth probably 10 degrees F.
Earle Williams
June 12, 2008 4:53 pm
Dr. S.I. Akasofu’s paper doesn’t appear to have been published in a peer-reviewed format.
Compare it to the many screeds of Dr. James Hansen: http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/
Where do you want to place your bets?
Earle W.
Some of that stuff on Hansen’s site is priceless. http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20080604_TaxAndDividend.pdf
My favorite line: No bureaucracy is needed to figure this out.
Hansen has a messiah complex. Perhaps some day it will be properly diagnosed.
And as the white coats pry him from his word processor, he will be screaming of government censorship.
Jeez,
My head hurts. I read some of Hansen’s article. Ouch! Did he ever get past age 12? When I was that age, the solutions to the world’s problems seemed obvious if only I was made supreme dictator.
I would tell Hansen that the position of God was taken long ago.
My apologies for the peer review misinformation, which was provided to me along with the paper. I should have verified it before posting here. It does appear to be samizdat, but Dr Akasofu has received numerous comments on the paper, which he responds to.
Dr Akasofu is now retired, but he still writes on global warming. A sample can be found here [thanx to leebert]: http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/climate.php
Also, some info on other planetary warming in the Solar System [not peer reviewed, I’m not making that mistake twice!]: http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/11nov/solarsystemwarming.html
A. Fucaloro
June 12, 2008 6:42 pm
Anthony,
Newt Gingrich has a site called “American Solutions” (http://www.americansolutions.com/) which is offering a petition to Congress to urge members to allow for more oil drilling in the US. Nearly 2/3 of a million people have signed it thus far. I should think that this number would greatly increase if you feature his site here. Interested?
Brian D.
June 12, 2008 6:59 pm
The clash of the cold and hot air has really caused some serious flooding in the Plains. The Cedar River in IA is expecting a crest of 32ft. The old record is 20ft. This is probably the most extreme at this point, but the flooding is widespread and many major interstates have sections closed down in the region. As well as many county roads. Not to mention many small towns literally paralyzed from the floods.
Flooding was a problem earlier this Spring in this region between the record or near record snow melt off and the rains. It did dry out some after that, but the ground was still saturated.
I’ll be real curious to see what happens downstream of the Mississippi River when all this water drains in. And what happens with the storminess in the coming weeks. The jet stream really needs to head north.
Wonder, also, about crop damage and it’s extent. Food prices might get even worse later this year. Crops drying up in Canada and drowning in the States. Not a good scenario.
Philip_B
June 12, 2008 7:29 pm
In fact, if it were so obvious, the IPCC and “the consensus” would have to be deliberately deceptive to be saying otherwise (IOW: abject liars).
Not necessarily.
The IPCC is a political entity and is using science to support a political program. Just like politicians at the national level.
What I find disturbing is,
1. The extreme reluctance almost everywhere to criticize what is clearly a political process at the UN.
2. The widespread attempts by scientists and science institutions to suppress any kind of dissent or contrary view. This is profoundly anti-scientific and will seriously damage science and it’s achievements.
poetSam
June 12, 2008 8:11 pm
Phillip_B
Science is terrifying to many. For instance, is has given us the H-Bomb, biological warfare, etc. If one has a lot of money, its benefits, except for medical advances, are not that important. Who needs robots when one can afford servants?
“A mind is a dangerous thing to educate” is the true motto of the ruling elites.
swampie
June 12, 2008 8:36 pm
Don’t forget that as crops drown in the midwest, they’re extremely stressed for water in the southeast due to drought.
david jones
June 12, 2008 9:10 pm
As a former supporter of AGW (Alaskans for Global Warming), I just got back from the east coast and after a week of mid ninetys I can say that I am completely in favor of all you people in the lower 48 doing whatever is required to allow me to continue to complain that the fish are biting slow because it is near 60f and to hot.
Evan Jones
Editor
June 12, 2008 10:59 pm
What really gets me is the near religiosity of these AGWers
It’s not the religion that bothers me. It’s the human sacrifice.
Sonic,
Check out the NASA website lots of information there. It’s pretty easy to navigate.
Ralph S (12:02:34) :
Even the pdf you linked shows the multiple interpretations possible in the temperature record. I don’t think it can be said that the temperature record has “an astonishingly effective falsification” of AGW. In fact, if it were so obvious, the IPCC and “the consensus” would have to be deliberately deceptive to be saying otherwise (IOW: abject liars). While it is likely true that many climatologists have AGW bias and are closet greens, but I doubt that they are callously dishonest.
Still it would be interesting to see the rebuttal of this paper. Too bad it wasn’t peer-reviewed (or was it?).
Steve Stip (12:38:29) :
Good question. You can bet it will be to yet another emotional issue along with same appeals to emotion: “for YOUR future”, “for YOUR children”, “for YOUR quality of life”, “for YOUR safety”, etc. It will also continue to push for changes that will permit invasive control of others. It goes without saying the control would be a double plus good.
Ralph S.: Another nail in the coffin of the UN/IPCC is this peer reviewed paper.
If the paper of Syun-Ichi Akasofu that you referenced was peer-reviewed, where was it published? I can’t see any evidence that it’s anything but a samizdat.
Here near the 45th parallel we’re finally having the weather for which we endure the winter; sunny, breezy, low 70’s.
Lots of rain for boaters, also promising for those farmers not in corn this season.
Here in Montana, we had a hard frost most places on the 11th of June. The high where I live was only 48 yesterday with a stiff wind. The Beartooth Mountains are still accumulating snow, and we are expecting high water when it finally warms up. If it warms up.
SONIC! —
Here’s another starting point…
“Look to Mars for the truth on global warming”
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0
DAV —
“Wanna bet on the outcome?”
We *know* what the outcome will be — this time. And we know the Europe is descending into socialist hell, and has been doing so for years; socialist policies have made it too expensive to have kids, and the Europeans aren’t reproducing in enough numbers to sustain the population. And that’s exactly why this was an important article. Despite the certainty of the outcome and the politics being what they are, these people are going after greenpeace anyway. That’s what’s called a clear message. The greens are now being taken on and fought. It won’t be long before the greens will lose some battles. But before that can happen, it has to be proven that they can and ought to be fought. This does that.
Last October we took a fall color tour to Traverse City MI. But there were no fall colors because the temperature during the day was still above 80. That’s almost 20 degrees above normal for that time of year. We went swimming in the Grand Traverse bay on Oct 8. That’s almost unheard of.
This year we are planning a summer vacation there next week. But now the forecast calls for high temps in the low 60s. That’s a bit brisk for swimming. Normal high should be 77. We’ll hope the forecast is wrong.
I remember someone at dot Earth screaming about the hot summer of 2007 claiming every part of the USA had record-breaking heat. It never happened, it was yet another false memory induced by a media stampede. There was a stalled high pressure area over the northwest & rockies that made them hot, but the majority of the 48 was cooler than normal.
I pointed it out. The poster never ack’d.
What really gets me is the near religiosity of these AGWers… you’d think one little cite would give them an opportunity to become a bit more agnostic, recant some of the doom & gloom, but they’re fact-resistant. It’s as if if they recant on one point then their apostasy will doom them to purgatory or something.
Ralph S:
Thank you. Goes to show you what kind of consensus there really is. Akasofu is no lightweight either:
http://www.iarc.uaf.edu/people/indiv/iarc_all_staff.php?photo=sakasofu
What boggles my mind is that the IPCC juggernaught continues to trundle along, Al Gore blowing smoke up everyone’s butt, etc.
Long range models show a pattern flip starting Monday for most of the eastern half of the country with highs in the 70’s for at least a week in many places in the Midwest that normally see 83 – 85 this time of the year.
One thing that has seemed to occur often over the last ten years or so is that warm years (globally) have tended to coincide with very warm January’s in the NH. This year had a below average January (of course, depending on the baseline you choose), so if the trend continues expect this year to be average or slightly above at the most.
Well, it has been conclusively proven that humans are the cause of temperature rise, particularly when they gather en masse in places like cities.
Why, the hot air from the politicians alone is worth probably 10 degrees F.
Dr. S.I. Akasofu’s paper doesn’t appear to have been published in a peer-reviewed format.
Compare it to the many screeds of Dr. James Hansen: http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/
Where do you want to place your bets?
DAV,
Sorry! I attributed a Ralph H post to you.
How did I do that?
Oh, well
Perhaps a few rolls of duct tape properly applied in DC would end the heat wave. Nah. Bad idea. Could trigger another Ice Age.
Earle W.
Some of that stuff on Hansen’s site is priceless.
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20080604_TaxAndDividend.pdf
My favorite line: No bureaucracy is needed to figure this out.
Hansen has a messiah complex. Perhaps some day it will be properly diagnosed.
And as the white coats pry him from his word processor, he will be screaming of government censorship.
Jeez,
My head hurts. I read some of Hansen’s article. Ouch! Did he ever get past age 12? When I was that age, the solutions to the world’s problems seemed obvious if only I was made supreme dictator.
I would tell Hansen that the position of God was taken long ago.
My apologies for the peer review misinformation, which was provided to me along with the paper. I should have verified it before posting here. It does appear to be samizdat, but Dr Akasofu has received numerous comments on the paper, which he responds to.
Dr Akasofu is now retired, but he still writes on global warming. A sample can be found here [thanx to leebert]:
http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/climate.php
Also, some info on other planetary warming in the Solar System [not peer reviewed, I’m not making that mistake twice!]:
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/11nov/solarsystemwarming.html
Anthony,
Newt Gingrich has a site called “American Solutions” (http://www.americansolutions.com/) which is offering a petition to Congress to urge members to allow for more oil drilling in the US. Nearly 2/3 of a million people have signed it thus far. I should think that this number would greatly increase if you feature his site here. Interested?
The clash of the cold and hot air has really caused some serious flooding in the Plains. The Cedar River in IA is expecting a crest of 32ft. The old record is 20ft. This is probably the most extreme at this point, but the flooding is widespread and many major interstates have sections closed down in the region. As well as many county roads. Not to mention many small towns literally paralyzed from the floods.
Flooding was a problem earlier this Spring in this region between the record or near record snow melt off and the rains. It did dry out some after that, but the ground was still saturated.
I’ll be real curious to see what happens downstream of the Mississippi River when all this water drains in. And what happens with the storminess in the coming weeks. The jet stream really needs to head north.
Wonder, also, about crop damage and it’s extent. Food prices might get even worse later this year. Crops drying up in Canada and drowning in the States. Not a good scenario.
In fact, if it were so obvious, the IPCC and “the consensus” would have to be deliberately deceptive to be saying otherwise (IOW: abject liars).
Not necessarily.
The IPCC is a political entity and is using science to support a political program. Just like politicians at the national level.
What I find disturbing is,
1. The extreme reluctance almost everywhere to criticize what is clearly a political process at the UN.
2. The widespread attempts by scientists and science institutions to suppress any kind of dissent or contrary view. This is profoundly anti-scientific and will seriously damage science and it’s achievements.
Phillip_B
Science is terrifying to many. For instance, is has given us the H-Bomb, biological warfare, etc. If one has a lot of money, its benefits, except for medical advances, are not that important. Who needs robots when one can afford servants?
“A mind is a dangerous thing to educate” is the true motto of the ruling elites.
Don’t forget that as crops drown in the midwest, they’re extremely stressed for water in the southeast due to drought.
As a former supporter of AGW (Alaskans for Global Warming), I just got back from the east coast and after a week of mid ninetys I can say that I am completely in favor of all you people in the lower 48 doing whatever is required to allow me to continue to complain that the fish are biting slow because it is near 60f and to hot.
What really gets me is the near religiosity of these AGWers
It’s not the religion that bothers me. It’s the human sacrifice.