UPDATE 6/14/17: Michael E. Mann just can’t stand this, see below.
Hello everyone,
I feel like many of you are family, you’ve been with me and this endeavor so long. I started in November of 2006, and I’m approaching my 11th year. In all that time, WUWT has been providing a daily service to readers with original research, commentary, and humor where appropriate.
During this time, we’ve witnessed many great things together: Climategate started here in 2009, and the implosion of the Copenhagen conference as a result. The unmasking of the IPCC, showing that many of the “voodoo science” claims against skeptics made by IPCC chairman Pachauri, were based on fake data, shockingly bad science, and even grey literature. Now the tables are turned, and he’s out in disgrace. Then there was the time that I proved without a doubt that both Al Gore and Bill Nye were not just incompetent, but liars too, faking a science experiment. That finding by me was later backed up by a peer reviewed paper in the American Journal of Physics. Then there was the leaking of the IPCC AR5 documents here, showing how corrupted their thinking is, and how the final product was sanitized. Then there’s the Paris Agreement, watching it unfold, shaking our heads at the inanity of it. Even Dr. James Hansen called it a “fraud”. Then, just two weeks ago, watching President Trump remove the U.S. from it. It was truly a great day, with the bonus of watching all those heads explode.
Some people say that WUWT was a force or a catalyst in contributing to these things happening, but I don’t know. I just did what seemed like the right thing. Dig for the truth behind the headlines, and never, ever, give up.
It’s been a great ride. But, to be honest, I’m facing burnout. I need a break, so that I can continue another 10 years. I have not taken a real vacation from WUWT during the entire time. Ric Werme, who tracks WUWT, I think once said it’s been about 7 years since WUWT went a day without at least one story, and often there are five or six. It’s a lot of work. The ride has personally and professionally had it’s fallout for me. I’ve had clients cancel on me because of my views, and I’ve been through a personal hell too.
But, I continued, and I want to keep contributing, but I need a break to do it. I think I deserve one. Steve McIntyre of ClimateAudit once told me in a face to face conversation that “You and I both have done the work of ten men. I think we’ve given them a good run” (he was referring to the “Hockey Team et al”). Steve has essentially retired [from] blogging, because he has other pursuits. He feels like he’s done his fair share. I’d say his contribution was monumental.
I still have more stories to tell, I still have more research to do, I still have more to contribute.
One of the great things about WUWT is that we’ve had so many guest authors. This keeps it fresh. But I still have to administer it all. I do it from my phone, my laptop, and my home and office PC. I’ve never really been out of touch from it
Here’s the stats over the past 10+ years.
- 16,496 stories posted
- 2,075,345 Comments
- 316,737,166 views
- 49 reference pages (some of which sorely need work)
There’s no other website that focuses on Climate Science that can even come close to that track record. That’s not a boast, but a simple fact of numbers. Many people said I’d fail, that I’d be undone, and there’s been a lot of pressure and outright hatred and smearing directed at me personally to make me quit. I even had an offer once to “buy me out” as a way to get me to stop. I told them to shove it.
I had help getting here, from readers like you, guest authors, and many many scientists who have advised me from behind the scenes. I’m greatly appreciative to all of you for bearing those slings and arrows with me.
What convinced me that I really need a break was a really stupid error I made yesterday. I posted a story thinking it was Wednesday (Hump Day Hilarity) when it was actually Monday (Monday Mirthiness). Readers caught it [in] comments, and I was too tired to notice until hours later. It’s a simple error that has since been corrected, but it’s a wake-up call for me. It’s a clear sign of fatigue.
Here is what I want to do: Take a month off. Disconnect. Then come back fresh.
To do that though, and keep WUWT running, requires help. It’s not without precedence. Back in 2007, Steve McIntyre took a vacation to the desert southwest USA, with a mission in mind, to gather some tree ring core samples of his own to dispute Mann’s findings (though he didn’t say that at the time). Long time readers may recall he asked me to take over ClimateAudit during that break, which I did gladly, and it continued, ready for him when he returned.
I think I can do that here, I’m sure many of our guest authors will step up and our moderators can keep the comments flowing, albeit perhaps not as speedily since we have fewer moderators than we used to have.
I’m asking for two things: help with content/moderating, and some donations, so that I can choose a place to go disconnect, and not worry. I don’t want a staycation, and if that darned Koch Brothers check that many Mann-like people seem to think I’m getting would just show up in the mailbox, I’d not have to ask. There’s another reason too. I have an idea for a temperature data study, along the lines of some of the UHI studies I’ve done in the past, but I’ll need to purchase some equipment to run the experiment. And, when I return (assuming I can get help to keep WUWT running) I want to migrate WUWT to a new web platform. The last overhaul was in September of 2014, and since then things that I keep asking for from wordpress.com keep getting ignored (such as comment editing by end users to fix simple mistakes). I’ve been asking for almost as long as WUWT has been on wordpress, and it’s become clear to me that wordpress.com just doesn’t care because they keep adding social media enhancements rather than real meat and potatoes features. Time to move on to something that works better and requires less time to administer.
In other news, I just finished a new book chapter, it’s at the proof stage at the printers, and it will be available soon. I’ll let you know when it is available.
So, dear readers and contributors, here is what I need:
- Volunteers: for moderating, for guest author content, and for scheduling publishing of the kind of stories and press releases we normally carry. Use the About》Contact form from the drop down menu under the header.
- Donations: for recharge, and for new ventures to be designed and published
- Patience: while I figure out how to do all this.
Thanks for your consideration. Those that want to help with moderation, guest content, and scheduling can either leave a comment or use the contact form to direct message me.
For those that wish to donate towards a break and a new setup and experiment, here’s the link and button. Anything is welcome, no matter how small.
I’m going to leave this post up for a couple of days as the top head post, to make sure casual readers and regulars alike see it.
Thanks, sincerely, to all of you. -Anthony Watts
UPDATE: Mann and the usual suspects have had a twitterstorm over this.
It’s driving them all batshit crazy that:
1. I’ve survived 10 years, even though I’m apparently too stupid to have accomplished anything in that time.
2. People actually like me and want to help.
3. More people read WUWT than all of their blogs combined.
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Contact me Anthony.
Me, too, Anthony. I am willing to do ANY-thing you need for this site: moderation (whoo-hoo! 🙂 ); writing mini-research paper kind of articles; whatever you can think of that a non-tech professional can do to help you.
I will now go click on the “Donate” button! — Gladly.
Thank you, so much for all you have done for TRUTH!!
Suggestion:
— 1 will go by so fast you will not even have started to rejuvenate.
[The mods wonder.
“1 (month ?) will go by so fast …”
or “I will go buy so fast …” (If so, one must grab the checkbook before Janice leaves.)
or “one” (person) will go by so fast …” (If so, two people may need to grab the checkbook first.) .mod]
DOT MOD! lol
DITTO Janice. Looking forward to your articles, too. Since 2007, my day is incomplete without a visit to WUWT for honest discussion of climate issues. My $50 has been sent, and I’ll send more if needed for a 2-month vacation. I recommend Bora-Bora or another island in French Polynesia.
Partly in response to the sneers of the miserable detractors of Anthony, a true American hero doing his utmost to keep us free from envirostalinism (see above update), and partly in response to all the liberal partisan hatred which this morning culminated in a deeply disturbed man picking up a rifle to be their foot soldier and mostly because I just love my country so much….
On this
, we remember all the blessings we have, thanks to God’s
making that flag stand for a land free from tyranny, ideological as well as physical, ….
and we remember how much we love our land of freedom….
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First, a prayer:
God, Bless America (Celine Dion)
United, we stand… .
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Then, because we Americans will NOT bow to bullying by ANY-one and, thus, life goes on —
a typical American patriotic PARADE! 🙂
(youtube by John DeVault)
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Finally, the key to freedom and peace — the most powerful force in the world: love.
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Ancient Jewish Writing (Lev. 19:18)
I think Janice would be a great Mod; She is wicked. 😉
Janice Moore June 14, 2017 at 9:27 am
Yup, the blame for that “Republican shooting” lies directly on/with the highly vocal “anti-Trump” Congressional Democrats, …… their highly vocal “anti-Trump” liberal Democrat partisan donors and supporters …… and the liberal Democrat partisan news media that insures the aforesaid anti-Trump hate rhetoric gets repeated “night n’ day”.
Janice,
That ancient Hebrew writing in Leviticus 19 only applied to other Hebrews:
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.
thanks for what you have done and what you will do in the future
If you do one thing and one thing only I would suggest bring back Charles.
Eh? He’s trying to take a vacation.
+97, Mosher
Charles is still there, somewhere
Who’s Charles?
AKA, Charles the Moderator.
CTM, Charles the Moderator.
I think Anthony is finally realizing its getting more & more difficult to continue to deny science in the face of the overwhelming amount of contradictory evidence. The planet is warming because of the emissions released by the burning of fossil fuels that release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere which is the cause of global warming. For all those replying, you do so thinking you no more about science than NASA, the Royal Society and even Stephen Hawking. Really, ….. you are still going to reply, wow, bring on the abuse, I love it.
I don’t think I “{k}no{w} more about science” than NASA, et al., Steve. My response is simply this: regarding your assertion, “the planet is warming because of emissions released by the burning of fossil fuels…,”
prove it.
Steve, the entire face of Autism changed because PARENTS knew more than the PhD’d scientists. There are many examples of scientific paradigm shifts due to amature input. If you are unaware of this, clearly you are not a scientist, nor an amature either. You appear to be just a mouth. So shut it!
Steve
If you really like abuse, you should try changing sides. Many of your fellow alarmists get quite shitty when the weakness of your argument is pointed out.
Steven Hawking, really?. I’ll see you with Freeman Dyson, and raise you an Ivar Giaever , if name dropping gets you off.
you do so thinking you no more about science
Well for starters the word you are looking for here is “know” not “no”. Beyond that, when debating alarmists, I rely almost exclusively on the data and science as reported by NASA and the IPCC. It is not a matter of knowing more than them Steve, it is a matter of knowing what their science actually says rather than blindly accepting the over hyped rhetoric of activist reporting.
I think we should coin a name for the simple(ton) Steves of the world- how about Dunning Krugerites or DKs in short?
In my narrow corner of science I definitely know more than NASA, the Royal Society and Stephen Hawking.
So what? That proves nothing. Literally. If a couple of people listen to me and a few thousand people derive some temporary benefit, I figure we have a square deal.
I just read the document on the non-problem of Lake Chad, one of AL Gore’s poster places that was linked by a contributor on another post. That is a link provided by Anthony Watts’ work and suffering. It leads to the independent investigation of truth, a core requirement for an ever-advancing civilisation. With NASA, the Royal Society ad Stephen Hawking all working to promote global warming fallacies and with AL Gore’s examples of fake climate porn, we must take personal responsibility for staying the hand of the oppressor and speaking truth to power.
It is well nigh impossible to demonstrate any effect of AG CO2 on the climate of this planet because there is far too much internal variability. Changes caused by AG CO2, if there are there, are below the limit of determination (LOD). Until the changes are large enough, or the LOD is greatly improved, we see nothing out of the ordinary, based on only the surviving written record. Looking further back into the paleorecords, there is nothing unusual happening other than sustaining the foolish memes circulated by a deluded fraction of the community of physical scientists.
Anthony’s efforts to provide a neutral space where natural enquiry can flourish has been a godsend to the English-speaking world. In times like these, the world needs heroes, even unlikely ones.
After seeing your TROLL post, I doubled my Anthony “recharge” getaway donation.
What wrong with you? Haven’t you been paying any attention at all? Been sleeping in the classroom? Geez…
Hi Steve,
Have we seen you here presenting devastating evidence to school all of us?
Thought not.
Carpe Diem, dude.
More tripe from the peanut gallery.
Show, explicitly, the overwhelming evidence!
• The Arctic is still full of ice, unlike other times in the Holocene.
• The Antarctic is quite frozen and increasing in mass.
• Greenland is increasing in ice mass.
• No animals have died, in spite of overwhelming extinction predictions.
• The seas are not rising any faster than the previous century.
• Ocean temperatures are not warming.
• Storms are not more frequent nor more damaging.
• Snow still falls.
• Rain is not more or less frequent.
• Coral is bleached by exposure to air, not so much warm water.
The OCO-2 satellite disabuses anyone from believing that specious claim of “mankind’s fossil fuel emissions” being substantive GHG contribution to the atmosphere.
You should wonder why NASA doesn’t use the actual CO2 emission information rather than their quite erroneous models?
For you and your very false strawman argument:
A) No one claims to know more science than NASA.
B) NASA/NOAA were hijacked by activists; facts that are revealed in the Climategate leaked documents.
C) There is no excuse for an alleged science institution to manipulate data. NOAA’s abuse of data iss egregious.
D) There is zero evidence that the “Royal Society” is following science. The sham cover-up and whitewash that allegedly investigated exposed FOIA and Climategate shenanigans is prima facie evidence against said royal society.
E) Is there some reason you believe Hawking is omniscient? Perhaps you can display the Climate research papers Hawking worked on?
Totally bogus steve! How much do the sham climatologists pay you to post such utter trash?
Steve is yet another drive by troll. (hasn’t got the balls to stick around for a while)…
Steve, the “denial” lies in the minds of people who persist in claiming things established as fact. Becoming dogmatic is symptomatic of a failure to imagine and to think. It reflects magical rather than scientific thinking. Despite the silly persistence of calling people like Anthony “deniers” any one capable of actually seeing and then reading what Anthony for one, or Steve McIntyre for another, NEVER argued that CO2 does not contribute to the planet’s status as habitable. Quite the opposite within the camp of sceptics Anthony has often been referred to as “luke warmer.” Instead of adding one and one and getting 3.5-deg. K of warming, he never has taken the chicken little pill.
The question is not “whether” C02 contributes to our comfortable state, but whether human output is enough to alter that state catastrophically, which is a very far cry from “denial.” The question is of whether or not human action is warming the planet, but whether our out put of CO2 is a bad thing, or a good thing. The biosphere of the planet requires free carbon, and the consumption of free carbon by the biosphere is not a “cycle.” Geologically, CO2 is quite clearly a steadily declining resource. Living matter fixes carbon and some of the carbon does not go back to the biosphere. Instead it lost, buried by geological processes and time. The second law forbids perpetual motion. A lossless “balanced” carbon cycle is a perpetual motion system, forbidden by physics. So, once again, from the biosphere’s point of view, is human CO2 output bad, or is it possibly very slightly delaying the next Permian level event?
“… you do so thinking you no more about science than … Stephen Hawking. Really …”
And you think you know more than Freeman Dyson and, Nobel Prize Winner, Ivar Giaever? Two can play the appeal to authority game”.
That is a troll post, try not to feed the trolls. And there is no use arguing science with a someone presenting a religious argument. The argument stated is, “Look at my Priests! Look at my Church! Do you dare challenge my god?”
Steve: “I think Anthony is finally realizing its getting more & more difficult to continue to deny science in the face of the overwhelming amount of contradictory evidence”.
It is, indeed, more and more difficult to fight alarmists because they present, indeed, more and more contradictory evidence. They contradict each other every other day. It is difficult to fight them when they make so many contradictory claims.
Dude, If you’re looking for something to just believe in, without any need of a robust proof, try reading the Torah, or the Gospels, or the Quran, or the Sutras, or the Vedas.
There is know room for faith based science. Scepticism is required for learning and is at the heart of noledge. As any fule kno.
Oh Stevie! You poor ignorant dupe. This sentence is the clincher. “For all those replying, you do so thinking you no more about science than NASA…” Please, please give us your credentials for even being able to judge whether the NASA politicians are more credible with science and Islam than are the real PhD’s who come to comment here.
Then I looked a little closer and wondered if there wasn’t some Freudian slip in your ignorance of the difference between no and know. “For all those replying, you do so thinking you no more…” Are you hoping for harm to befall those who gather here for real information and unbiased knowledge? Are you hoping, as have others from your side, that the great questioning minds that inhabit WUWT die? Or the fine scientists who contribute here will be no more, and soon?
And for those who wonder, sarc off.
PBH
Hey ATheoK –
Just as a point of order:
“• The Arctic is still full of ice, unlike other times in the Holocene.
• The Antarctic is quite frozen and increasing in mass.
• Greenland is increasing in ice mass.
• No animals have died, in spite of overwhelming extinction predictions.
• The seas are not rising any faster than the previous century.
• Ocean temperatures are not warming.
• Storms are not more frequent nor more damaging.
• Snow still falls.
• Rain is not more or less frequent.
• Coral is bleached by exposure to air, not so much warm water.”
None of those would be evidence that human CO2 emissions are the cause.
And, even with Steve’s obvious appeal to authority, we all are still waiting for that actual evidence.
“For all those replying, you do so thinking you no more about science than NASA, the Royal Society and even Stephen Hawking.”
How much do you ‘no’ about English?
Atheok:
“• The Antarctic is quite frozen and increasing in mass”:
Climate Audit has a great discussion at https://climateaudit.org/2015/12/02/antarctic-ice-mass-controversies/
I see a preponderance of evidence that Antarctica’s ice sheet has been losing mass since 2008. And Antarctic sea ice recently set a record low, although not long after setting a record high (in the microwave sounding satellite era that started with 1979).
“• Greenland is increasing in ice mass”:
Greenland’s ice sheet has a positive surface mass balance. But this is snowfall gain minus loss from melting, and does not include loss from ice calving from the ice sheet and floating away in the sea. Greenland’s ice sheet is losing about 200 Gt/yr. According to DMI. See:
http://beta.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/
As for the great natural sources and sinks of CO2 shown by the OCO2 satellite: They are seasonal. And it was already known that seasonal sources and sinks outweigh mankind’s contribution to increasing atmospheric CO2 even for the whole northern hemisphere, as shown by the annual squiggle in the Mauna Loa curve having an upslope and a downslope steeper than the longer term upslope. The results of the OCO2 satellite don’t negate the fact that atmospheric CO2 is increasing at about half the rate that humans are adding CO2 to the atmosphere, which means that worldwide year-round, decade-round nature is removing about half of the human contribution, and not as a whole year-round adding any to the atmosphere.
Steve writes “For all those replying, you do so thinking you no more about science than NASA,”
I can spell “know”.
NASA does not know science. Some people *at* NASA know various bits of science, some this, some that.
It is entirely possible that within my realm of expertise I know more than most of the people at NASA.
Science is not a singular thing that is “believed” or “not believed”. You make it sound a lot like a religion (which indeed it has become).
Science said the Earth was flat; Science said that we could never fly; Science said we couldn’t break the sound barrier; Science said BSE couldn’t transfer to humans; Need I go on. Science is there to be challenged and even when things are “Proven” they can be changed in the light of new evidence. If the world took what “Scientists” said as indisputable, we would never progress. WATTSUP has opened up discussion and provided a wonderful space for learning. Thank you Anthony, have a wonderful rest and please come back and keep helping me stay informed.
Not everyone at NASA has the same opinion. Generally speaking, when a subset claims to speak for an entire group, that everyone in the group has the exact same opinion, and that said opinion is the only acceptable opinion, that subset is lying. Humans do not naturally think as a bloc, especially when the subject is not simple (for example, the sky is blue, though people may still describe it as different shades). Even if people have the same general opinion on complex matters, they differ slightly (at least) on specifics.
Groupthink runs rampant in some circles, with a particular party line espoused as THE ONE WAY. However, this is primarily enforced through social pressures. Harassment, ridicule, and shunning are among the preferred tactics to “punish” non-conformists. Praise, preferential treatment, and approval serve as “rewards” for supporting the narrative. This is extremely effective in a social species. History shows that individuals will go along with just about anything if they think that the “majority” back it. Even if they do not fully accept the ideology as dogma, many will keep their head down and stay quiet out of fear of retaliation or sanction.
You do not have to know more (no more if you prefer) than someone else to believe/think/know they are mistaken. It is possible for reasonable people to disagree, and for people to look at the same data and draw different conclusions. However, it is disingenuous to reject/ignore observations that do not support your conclusions or to promote claims that are flawed*. This applies to all sides.
*Flawed according to standards that are generally accepted for a community. Particularly if the side promoting such a claim has denounced an “opposing” claim with the same faults.
Steve, all you did was make unconvincing unsupported statements.
Interesting and rather baseless attempt at straw argument. A diversionary attempt to, again, invoke the false premise that the null condition must “prove” anything.
My one liners address the abject and continuous failure of CO2 cultists to accurate predict anything, let alone properly define, test and prove CO2’s atmospheric temperature effects.
Almost thirty years false predictions coupled with total failure to accurately document CO2’s explicit atmospheric absorption/emission physics.
Dems B. Dcvrs: “After seeing your TROLL post, I doubled my Anthony “recharge” getaway donation.:
… and I think I’ll join you in that. I’m a regular sucker for irony and the sheer beauty of an alarmist halfwit being directly responsible for funding Anthony Watts is way too delicious to miss.
Cheers little Stevie!
Yes Steve, I have a tiny bit of high school science and I think I know way more than NASA, RS and Hawking if only on the basis of the 97% consensus bs. I knew it was bs just from all the doom and gloom, arm waving and demands for billions and trillions quickly or we are all going to die. They sound worse than door to door sales men. Foolishly I thought the charade would fade eventually but it has not because it never was about the science. It was always politics and power and left has gone insane with their lust for power.
Sadly Steve, frogs croak because other frogs croak so they think it’s the thing to do. Try to listen for a while!
Blah, blah, blah.
There are many instances of the mainstream scientific community being slow to acknowledge the obvious. One example is the discovery of an infectious cause (H.pylori) of peptic ulcers in 1985. The evidence was clear, but the mainstream ignored it for ten years. One of the authors of the paper went so far as to infect himself with the bacterium and document the resultant gastric inflammation, as well as its resolution upon treatment with antibiotics. Even that was ignored and mocked.
Again, Steve provides no evidence of his own other than the words ‘overwhelming’ and ‘contradictory’, a couple name drops, and a restatement of the company line, complete with the ‘deny science’ label.
And yes, Steve, I ‘no’ you love the attention – like any good troll.
Ahhh, the dulcet sound of specious strawmen spread like manure on the wind.
Map of the accumulated surface mass balance (in mm water equivalent) from September 1st to now.
http://beta.dmi.dk/uploads/tx_dmidatastore/webservice/p/a/m/d/e/accumulatedmap.png
Keeping in mind that this representation is from a model, not reality.
“Greenland’s ice sheet has a positive surface mass balance. But this is snowfall gain minus loss from melting, and does not include loss from ice calving from the ice sheet and floating away in the sea.”
What masterful phrasing, such erudition, such bogus conflation.
A) Increase means increase.
B) Calving icebergs. Why not tell them everything Klipstein? The glaciers calve from ice sheets already at sea, called sea ice.
* a) The greater the ice mass, the greater ice flows eventually to sea. This is normal ice movement and greater flow rates are caused by greater ice mass, not less.
* b) Calving from sea ice is not a Greenland specific change.
C) Conflating iceberg formation to Greenland loss.
Then there is that reference to Steve McIntyre’s wonderful extremely credible ClimateAudit site; as if there is some succor or support for the alarmist notions for Antarctic ice loss.
ClimateAudit’s excellent analysis removes a huge amount of doubt and quite proves alarmist GIA manipulations and ice mass estimates are deficient in reality.
Perhaps you will explain why it takes so long for satellite observation sourced papers to reach publication? Is it, perhaps, to allow alarmists excuses and complaints as regards updated data?
Following that Klipstein starts on the strawman distraction regarding natural sinks and mankind.
The obvious OCO-2 facts are that emissions and absorptions from natural sources vastly overwhelms all mankind emissions/absorptions.
Any “CO2 remainder” speculation requires definitive research, testing and proof. Otherwise it is just so much more baseless claim handwaving and .
Though after thirty years of research, without any serious CO2 atmospheric knowledge advancement; it is doubtful that the climastrologists are capable os serious research.
Instead alarmists and their specious spokespersons focus on strawmen, distractions, baseless claims, unproven models. Insipient attempts to consider CO2 alarmist predictions as the NULL condition; letting climastrologists off the hook of providing CO2 scientific proof.
After reading Michael Mann’s snarky tweets and “Steve’s” developmentally disadvantaged comment, I doubled my contribution. Simples!
“I think Anthony is finally realizing its getting more & more difficult to continue to deny science … For all those people replying, you do so thinking you no more about science than …”
Steve, there’s a period in childhood development where the little boy wishes mommy divorced daddy (or the little girl wishes daddy divorced mommy) and married him (or daddy married her). It occurs between the ages of 5-6 years old. Freud referred to it as the Oedipal. According to some researchers the purpose behind this readily recognizable behavior is for the child to come to recognize that people have their own motives (i.e. mommy and daddy’s commitment to each other) that can still still coexist with the child’s needs for itself. In other words; we all have separate minds no one can penetrate; we’re all our own free agents. When mommy and daddy don’t get divorced, but still love and take care of him/her, the child learns this and completes that developmental stage.
You’re going to need to do better Steve if you can’t recognize that Anthony Watts legitimate desire to take some time off has nothing to do with melding with your own mind. He is his own free agent as we all are. We can’t penetrate others’ minds. Nobody’s required to agree with you.
And, you know what? When the powers that be want to enact policies that will affect everybody’s (but, not necessarilly their’s) livelihoods, jobs and employment, income, homes, travel, consumption, energy and general costs, and lifestyles; well, I think they have a right to have a little say so in it. And; if a scientist, who’s beak is dipped deep in the government’s watering trough; and who has not matured past the Oedipal stage; says we all have to comply with that monumental lifestyle reduction, well, my response is to say, “bug off and grow up”.
Abuse, abuse, abuse . . yer welcome ; )
Steve,
Is this the science you’re referencing?
Premise 1: CO2 traps heat and is largely responsible for the earth’s climate.
Premise 2: We have greatly increased the CO2 in the atmosphere.
Premise 3: When you increase something that traps heat, you trap more heat.
Conclusion: Therefore, we are causing the climate to change.
It goes off the rails at premise no. 1.
Note: Above logic copied from “Basics of Global Climate Change: A Logical Proof That it is Our Fault” at web site “The Logic of Science”. (https://thelogicofscience.com/2015/01/30/basics-of-global-climate-change-a-logical-proof-that-it-is-our-fault/)
Thank you Anthony for your relentless efforts to shine the light of truth on this issue. Let us know by the end of the week if more donos are needed.
There are only two things I have to no to no that CAGW is baloney. And I don’t need a Phd. to no it. Any relatively intelligent third grader can figure it out. One, natural variability causes drastic changes in climate as evidenced by glacial periods and interglacials. Two, computer models do not prove anything. Case closed.
Steve, you are proving the proverb that simple minds like simple answers.
Thanks.
Not only don’t you know how to spell ‘know,’ you can’t even write a coherent sentence.
You might get a little more respect if you could demonstrate a command of the English language. As it is, you write like a third grader. Third graders don’t have the ability to carry off your brand of snark.
Atheok, in regards to your Greenland map and surface mass balance and calving: The calving is from ice sheet ice flowing to the sea, and that loss from the ice sheet is not included in DMI’s surface mass balance because their surface mass balance is only additions (snow) minus subtractions (melting) from the surface of the ice sheet. DMI says Greenland’s ice sheet’s surface mass balance is positive *and* the ice sheet is losing 200 Gt/year, they say both in the web page that I cited (http://beta.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/), and both are true because the ice sheet is losing mass in a way other than at its surface (as in other than the surface melting which is outpaced by snow accumulation) – ice mass is also leaving the ice sheet by flowing to the sea.
Now, it looks like I should have said “flowing to the sea” instead of “calving”? So, at what point does ice become no longer part of the ice sheet? When it is over water instead of land? Or when it breaks away (calves)? Either way, that ice is leaving the ice sheet without being a negative for surface mass balance because the surface melting of that ice occurs after it leaves the ice sheet.
Steve all we need to do is read the nonsense in this to see how much NASA knows about the science of climate change. They even believe 97% of scientists believe the scam. https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Clive Bond Brisbane Australia.
In the next 5 years we will have another solar minimum.
The global temp will be the same as today. Best case or about .1c warmer. ..There will be less ice.
The CRN network will be almost 20 years long..
The so called bad stations will match the perfect stations as the have for last 10-15 years. .
AND. ..
Wuwt will still be here..
At some point in the future maybe 10 or 15 years from now skeptics will look more like flat earthers.
History will record the strange effort of one man to fight the science.
Steven Mosher wrote “At some point in the future maybe 10 or 15 years from now skeptics will look more like flat earthers.”
“Looking like” is a property of the beholder, not the thing beheld.
Inasmuch as flat earther is a subset of class skeptic, it is more true to say a flat earther looks like a skeptic but it is not reliably true that a skeptic looks like a flat earther.
If this is the logic you bring to the table I can see why your science is unpersuasive.
I sometimes put myself back in time a few hundred years, mentally of course, and imagine myself in court discussing Galileo’s astonishing belief that the Earth goes around the sun rather than what seems obvious, the sun goes around the Earth.
I hope that I would at least allow for the possibility, and then I would ask, “How can you prove it?” Well in his day, he couldn’t, not persuasively. It was Newton’s laws of motion, and better telescopes, that finally provided the evidence needed. To be sure, even the Sumerians knew about retrograde motion, but that’s just what planets DO.
Global warming is a huge demonstration of BELIEF, scarcely different than in Galileo’s day. Your belief may be well founded; it may yet turn out to be correct, but you don’t have a way to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
More manure scent on the wind…
Donald, you brought the topic into the discussion.
Let us know when you discover when ice flowing out to sea becomes sea ice and a loss to the glacier.
Maybe by then the climastrologists will stop inflating GIA estimates and the actual ice estimates will once again be free public knowledge.
And mosher, you will still have zero proof of agw…
(and the models will still be failing)…
(and paris will still be a dumb idea)…
(and observational ECS will still be at the low end)…
(and natural sources of warming will still be ignored)…
(and you will still be running your mouth… ☺)
I don’t hold Stephen Hawking in very high esteem, especially after hearing his computer say the universe just popped into being from nothing, because the laws of Physics do not rule that out. Maybe my brain is not very intelligent, but I have a problem, with that much mass and energy appearing by magic!!!
Dan Sage June 16, 2017 at 4:13 pm
CACA advocate Hawking’s position was defensible as long as the math worked, but now it appears that it doesn’t.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2017/06/stephen-hawking-was-wrong-the-mystery-remains-spacetime-was-infinite-at-the-big-bang.html
Nor that of his colleague Harlte and “tunneling” cosmologists.
The latest math suggests that Einstein had it right, ie that at the Big Bang, the curvature of spacetime was infinite. So the mystery remains to be solved.
But when it is, other problems are liable to fall into line, such as the unification of gravity, whatever that might be, with the other three more powerful forces which have been unified, and the nature of dark energy and matter.
Exciting times for a scientist to be alive.
Sorry, Hartle. Typing under the influence. TUII. Or to be specific tequila, hence TUIT.
As someone who spent most of my career working with NASA creating and using very complex computer simulation models, I can say that yes, in many ways I know more about the subject than “NASA” (that was the reason I had that job). NASA is only made up of human beings doing their jobs. Some are bright and innovative, some work hard and, like any big bureaucracy, many are neither of these. Some will do the right thing, risking their careers, but most won’t. 99% of them have little useful knowledge of any particular subject – they know about the things they work on. Someone like Steven Hawking has little more knowledge on a specific subject than Katy Perry.
What I can tell you all is that the climate computer models that we are supposed to use to destroy millions of people’s lives would never be considered valid or useful by those who do real computer modeling for the real world.
‘At some point in the future maybe 10 or 15 years from now skeptics will look more like flat earthers.”
At some point in the future maybe 10 or 15 years from now you malicious, mendacious data fabricators will be held to account for the evil that you have visited on the population of this planet.
I hope you’re prepared for that.
NASA, Royal Society and Stephen, politically motivated shills.
It make sense to bring back any good mods you have had in the past, but you are looking for new ones too.
I can help in Moderation here as I am already a moderator on a big wordpress based science blog,which I can confirm in the E-mail. The blog owner who chose me to help Moderate the site can vouch for me.
E.mail me,
You have my E-mail. I don’t use PayPal. If you will send me an address where I can send a check (made out to you, personally) I WILL donate all I can afford. And probably some more on top of that.
Hi, Stan,
[snip, I’ll get it to Stan ~ctm]
And, good for you!
Janice 🙂
P.S. I know, it WAS a “+1,000,” no doubt, but, I don’t want to keep track of my rating record and want to be consistent, so, I just stick with +1 (sometimes bolding it or adding a ! if I feel like it). I’m not really saying “one” as opposed to “10” or “50;” it is just a “thumbs up,” mainly. Good for you to give due honor to that excellent windmills = subsidy farms comment, Mr. Stendera (a WUWT science giant!!)! 🙂
[The mods wonder what is the thumbed-up fruit salad average of +1, +1!, +!, +11, a thumbs up, +10, +50, and +1000, and a thumb up … Regardless, Janice always seems to fall outside of the standard deviation (er, definition) of your standard average standard. .mod]
Well. Dot mod. How nice to hear from you once again. 🙂
At least you took the time to “talk.” Thanks, lol.
This is “all hands on deck for the WUWT followers. Let’s go guys and gals. Let’s roll.
Hi Anthony
Cash donation sent from NZ. Thanks for all you have done.
You and WUWT have been one of the keys to my knowledge increase,
and confidence to challenge the alarmist norm in NZ.
May President Trump’s removal of USA from Paris Agreement, result in
the collapse of the fraud that is CAGW.
Look forward to WUWT continuing…
Regards
Murray Lane
I’d love to see corroboration between the different climate blog authors. Tony Heller is a pit bull when it comes to this stuff. He’s really breaking new ground with Lexis/Nexus. Wouldn’t surprise me if Scott Adams (Dilbert) could author a piece now and then. There are other great blogs, too. Strength in numbers.
hi Anthony, just donated a few euros from holland. enjoy your break. if you ever visit Europe you can stay with me.
Should proposals for article topics still be made through the existing channel?
You definitely need and deserve a sabbatical, both working and pure vacation.
Look forward to the book.
Anthony Watts, you are owed an unpayable debt of gratitude and acknowledgement, which generations of the future will realise.
$50 winging your way, Anthony. God bless, and enjoy your vacation. A number of years ago, I asked the Universe for one wish–for “global warming” to not be true. The evidence presented here, with the help of your many contributors, has granted that wish. I now go forward into the future (as a farmer, no less!) with optimism and the knowledge that the Universe is working things out just fine, as it should. You have done no less than restore my faith. Nature and Nature’s Truth always prevail in the end!
same sent, same thoughts! I started reading this blog a bit in 2007, and got hopelessly hooked in 2008. Can’t believe its been that long!
I’ll go so far to say that if it wasn’t for Anthony’s work, we’d ALWAYS have Paris!
wws — great comment and so true — Eugene WR Gallun
Wow, you mean you believe you “asked the universe” and it granted you your wish and you reference a made up friend in the sky! Then you deny the science that proves greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet!! WTF!! Your position is one of delusion, look it up!
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Steve June 13, 2017 at 7:34 pm
Alas, there was a time when alarmists mounted a serious effort to promote their side of the argument with actual facts and discussion. Now all we get is this kind of drivel. A sad reality, is it not, when this is the best that alarmists can muster on their own behalf?
Then you deny the science that proves greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet
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there is not a single scientific study that proves anything to be true. this is not limited to climate, it is true of all the sciences. as soon as someone says that science proves something to be true, you can be sure they are not a scientists.
davidmhoffer said: “Alas, there was a time when alarmists mounted a serious effort to promote their side of the argument with actual facts and discussion. Now all we get is this kind of drivel. A sad reality, is it not, when this is the best that alarmists can muster on their own behalf?”
I doubt very much that many of the thousands of climate and atmospheric scientists spend their time here. They publish papers on their research. If you don’t agree with their results or conclusions, that’s fine. No matter what they publish, the objections will always be the same by skeptics – 1) that they used bad or corrupted data and therefore the conclusions are not valid and/or 2) the impact of natural variation was not considered in their work.
Chris: Steve has locked up the “lamest troll” certificate for this site, but we appreciate that you are trying harder. Seems that, no matter what is posted here, alarmists will (almost) always respond with “pal-reviewed” authority while using universals about what all sceptics always do. You and your friends never seem to notice that your authority figures are so busy publishing, they never put together an actual experiment. And my two universals actually apply.
paul courtney,
I am crushed – crushed! – by your troll accusation. Coming from an eminent scientist such as yourself who has published exactly 0 peer reviewed papers.
My point still stands. Why on earth should active climatologists engage on this site? Give me one good reason. As I noted before, this is how things roll on WUWT:
1) All temperature data except RSS is corrupt, even though all data, INCLUDING RSS, has adjustments made. For RSS it is things such as orbital decay, changes in sensor sensitivity. For land based it is things such as changing the time of day when a logger is read, or to correct drift issues. Yet somehow RSS is solid and to be trusted, and ground based not.
2) Climatologists are corrupt and in it for the money. Except, of course, when a climatologist publishes a paper that supports the skeptic view. Then their work is rock solid!
3) It’s all due to natural variation, even though climatologists account for that in their analysis.
Chris: Hope your recovery goes well. So we all roll one way here, which is exactly one good reason a climatologist should stop by, tell us all about his/her reproducible experiment showing atmospheric warming from CO2, and put us out of our uni-misery. Sure would save ’em a lot of adjusting.
paul, as you very well know, a reproducible experiment that includes all of the earth’s variables – oceans, land mass, atmosphere, etc – is essentially asking for another earth upon which this “experiment” can be conducted. Science is carried out all the time where the impact of other factors is included in the analysis – it’s done all the time in health studies. in the case of AGW, that would be variables such as ocean heat takeup, cloud cover, ocean currents. if you don’t believe the results of the many papers published on this topic, fine. But don’t use the reproducible experiment copout.
Chris wrote “Science is carried out all the time where the impact of other factors is included in the analysis – it’s done all the time in health studies.”
Health studies are studies, not science per se. More statistics than science. I take your meaning as to doing the best you can under the circumstances, but experiment is part of the scientific method of observation, hypothesis, testing. “Studies” is a poor substitute for testing.
“But don’t use the reproducible experiment copout.”
Why not? It seems pretty effective. It forces into the open an admission that this whole thing is not entirely scientific. That’s no secret but there’s a huge (and effective) meme pretending it is all settled science. My brother comes at me with accusation that tens of thousands of scientists believe in imminent catastrophe from global warming (the IPCC SPM if I remember right).
To focus his thinking (he’s a government worker) I asked him why the government needed 10,000 climate scientists. Got names? Of course not. I suspect all regulars here can name the dozen or so actual relevant names from memory. Most of this whole show isn’t climate scientists, it is politicans, journalists and so on.
I pointed out that what you really have is a much smaller number of scientists each of whom over the years has issued many papers, of which a tiny fraction deal directly with global warming. So 10,000 *papers* mention global warming in some manner (pops up on a search, as will this comment), which John Cook then rates as implicit endorsement. But the *explicit* endorsement is minuscule in that huge pile.
Chris June 14, 2017 at 11:55 pm
RSS is about to become corrupt, leaving only UAH and the balloon data as actual data.
David M. Hoffer wrote: “Alas, there was a time when alarmists mounted a serious effort to promote their side of the argument with actual facts and discussion.”
I think I remember that. Was it a couple of years in the early 1990s? It seems like the appeal to consensus and the constant stream of ad hominem attacks has been around for ever.
I vaguely remember having some actual discussions on the facts in the early days. As I recall, the crisis supporter would eventually retreat and invoke the Precautionary Principle as a last defense. “What if you are wrong?” they would shout. “How can you risk doing any harm?” They really could not see the harm in making energy more expensive and less available to the world, even though it was a far more obvious and ‘real’ harm than a theoretical warming of a few degrees over 100 years. Of course, the precautionary principle is neither precautionary (using is often leads to harm) nor a principle (principles cannot be self-contradictory). After I pointed that out, they would just go away.
I am sure I was one of thousands of people doing the same thing. It didn’t take long for the crisis mongers to just stop debating at all. It was fun while it lasted. Now we just have armies of ‘Steve’ clones walking around saying “all the scientists agree”, and “your stupid”!
Alas, there was a time…
+1000
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+97% (Something on the way to help out – have a great break)
$10. I’m very fixed income but this is the most ‘worthwhile’ of all donations. I think any of us can afford that.
It really IS for our kids and grandkids. So they dont have to live on Government doled out energy.
I meant AT LEAST that. I’m also 70 something.
100$ on its way. Thanks a lot for all you have done for an open society. Have a nice holiday. 🙂
I challenge all regular readers to do the same.
I too sent $100. Hopefully thousands of others will do the same.
Absolutely! My $100 is on the way. WUWT is one of the few sites that can be trusted. Enjoy your holiday.
Another $100 on the way.
$100 on the way. You have more than earned this vacation … for all the work you put into keeping this site up and running, and making it a decent place in which to hang out. Also, for driving Michael Mann ‘batshit’ crazy … well done!
I’m happy to make a contribution to the fund, but I’d suggest putting the whole site on ice rather than risk losing something of the essence of it while you’re away.
Bloke down the pub
I think you have to keep a presence otherwise you lose momentum but I for one would be happy to see just one story a day and debate it thoroughly rather than half a dozen which go by in a blur.
Tonyb
That’s a good point
Tony, or even just one every other day. I volunteer a few guest posts that have been marinating in the background. More on models, more on ‘sound bites’, more on nonexistant supposed bad stuff… My proffer is direct to AW via email, so the interregnum comm channel needs to be worked out.
I entirely agree. I often don’t check in for a few days as I know I’ll get overwhelmed…
One thing that has been evident here is tolerance (within site policy) of views Anthony disagrees with.
I think The Mod Squad has learned to be tolerable of views they disagree with here, as a Mod, because this is his site, not theirs.
I don’t know how the Mods interact with each other but I think they’ll help each other from drifting too far.
They can do the same, “behind scenes”, for any “temps”.
Comments disagreeing with the WUWT view(s) are what keep this site from being an echo chamber, and should be welcomed. Too often commenters here ridicule and dismiss relevant comments from the consensus side. This is more than poor manners – it’s an indication that the prevailing view here are afraid of contrary comments.
It’s like dissents in Supreme Court opinions, which sharpen the issues if they are well presented.
I would go further and moderate out gross incivility – such as calling someone a liar just because he(she) doesn’t see things your way. I can go on about this subject if anyone is interested.
Donation sent xx Dollars from the UK. Keep up the good work
Done!
WUWT is the most indispensable site on the web. Donation made. Go chill for a bit, you certainly deserve the extended break.
Ditto. Donation sent.
Just sent $50 with much gratitude for all your hard work Anthony.
Good luck!
hope many others will add to my modest contribution
How big a platform do you need? Any idea of the data traffic rates?
Enjoy your vacation. You’ve certainly earned it. Donation sent.
Hi, Anthony!
If your reference pages update automatically, I’d suggest that the excellent individual articles that you usually post be substituted by those that Marc Morano puts on “Climate Depot” for the duration of your well deserved “sabbatical.”
Hopefully a seamless “re-transition” will not be too far into the future, but the rest and break in the action you seek is most assuredly, well deserved!!!
Tom, good point, there could be a few ‘sticky’s’ with links to other bloggers on the subject matter to keep people busy. Particular articles could be linked while comments still left on WUWT. Win-win for both sides for traffic and activity purposes.
You certainly deserve a break and us faithful readers will wait. Just please make sure its obvious to even those who don’t read this post. Will donate after payday!
Done. A sincere thank you for all of your efforts!
I agree with Bloke. If you need a break – then take a full break with no worries in the back of your mind.
Trolls can breed quickly. If you have one moderator that is a free speech absolutist, and one moderator that wants to crack down on any ad hominem attacks in the comments, then you could have two smart people that are trying to carry your burden still working at cross purposes. You will then feel obligated to step in and make things right.
I personally will certainly suffer from “WUWT Withdrawal Syndrome”. However, I can survive 30 days of that malady.
Perhaps a header for each post,
“The inmates are running the asylum. The Warden will return as soon as he wants.”
😎
https://youtu.be/KjWK8AAv-UY
It won’t come to that. Too many flawed but good people to let that happen.
PS Turn off your cellphone, laptop, tablet or whatever for at least a week. Our world is real, Pixels aren’t.
TYPO!
Error of omission.
“Too many flawed but good people to let that happen.”
Should be:
“Too many flawed but good people here to let that happen.”
(Yeah, ability for a commenter to edit their own comment would be nice.8-)
There are some fish in Tampa Bay with your name on them Anthony!
And at least one adult libation from me, if the opportunity arises.
(I’m in Bradenton)
A small chunk of my retirement fund on the way from the other side of the state.
Done.
Don’t think I could help much with the site, but can make a donation and have lots of patience, so two out of three ain’t bad, is it?
Donation coming on next paycheck. You deserve a break more than anyone I know. Pick someplace peaceful, and quiet, and beautiful to relax and evaluate. I’m sure many of us would gladly host you in our homes if you wanted to do a world tour! Be kind to yourself and know you are loved.
That is a GREAT idea! Take 6 months!
P.S. And keep a brief journal — and write a little report of your vacation for us. We sure would love to hear about it…..
Whoa! I’m detecting a possible large carbon footprint in Anthony’s immediate future!
Janice, you’ve gone from anthony’s 1 month to 3 months and now to 6 months (sounds like you’re trying to bump ‘im off the blogosphere… ☺)
Arthur! lol — I just know how fast a vacation can — “What!?? Only 1 week to go????! Arrrrgh.” — go by. Summer break from school was NEVER long enough. And to see “the world,” well, that would take even longer than six months…. Just want Anthony to really have a good “sabbatical.” And I realize you knew all that, but, I didn’t want anyone (people misunderstand me on a regular basis, here) to think I was at all hinting at such a thing.
Anthony returns from his year long sabbatical only to find that the name of his blog has been changed… MUWT (Moore Up With That)
Ha! “Climate news, hilarious humor, and…. Moore!” (oh, brother, I can hardly believe I wrote that)
had to scroll to find a Janice reply button we love you as much as Anthony 🙂
Of course, it could just be Moore Watts up With That…
MartinR!! Wow. Thank you! 🙂 (I realize, for anyone who might possibly read this that Martin does not speak for all WUWTers) Well. Thank you, so much, for getting my Thursday off to a good beginning!
Bobl June 15, 2017 at 4:24 am
Of course, it could just be Moore Watts up With That…
How about :
Watts up With That and Moore
Wonderful guys (just wonderful)…
Though my little joke was tailored with the implied impishness of a power grab in anthony’s absence. When you grew up in the era of dangerfield, you’ve gotta make it sting a little:
My kids say, “Ma, Ma, the house is on fire!”. My wife says,”kids be quiet, you’ll wake up Daddy”.
(no respect, no respect)…
JohnWho
Yessssssssssss……….Result!
Keep that CO2 flowing.
JohnWho: carbon footprint – the bigger, the better. There’s a world of hungry plants out there. We need to reach 1000 ppm.
When my USAF Dad got restationed from England to George AFB in So. Cal, in 66 we spent a month driving cross country, the Gov dropped us off in NYC knowing his next post was in California, go figure 😉 we spent some time in Oregon, forget which National Park but it was lovely
Crater Lake
Done
Done. We look forward to your return!
You deserve it. Here’s a spot near Many Lakes close to the Swan Range.
Is that a death threat?
Curious George
Nahhhhh……The Bear Necessities.