Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Japan, which hilariously defined investment in high efficiency coal plants as “climate finance“, now plans to meet Paris commitments, by building even more coal plants.
In the wake of the 2011 Fukushima disaster Japan mothballed its fleet of nuclear reactors, relying on fossil fuel imports to meet energy demand.
But last week prime minister Shinzo Abe said these would need to be switched back on to meet energy demand.
“Our resource-poor country cannot do without nuclear power to secure the stability of energy supply while considering what makes economic sense and the issue of climate change,” he said.
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Around 40 new coal power plants are planned up to 2030, according to the Global Coal Plant Tracker.
“The main concern is measures on emissions from coal power plants,” Yukari Takamura, a climate policy expert who helped draft the climate plans told Carbon Pulse.
“Since construction of many new coal plants are planned, the government will put in place some regulatory measures but, I suppose, with quite weak enforcement.”
Read more: http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/03/15/japan-fleshes-out-climate-change-plan/
Let us hope more governments follow the inspirational Japanese approach to reducing CO2 emissions.
Excellent. We should all build more high efficiency coal plants with climate finance. Sounds a sensible plan.
I guess everybody should follow China’s lead… BUILD MORE COAL PLANTS !
I attended the international conference about Fukishima in 2011, Washington DC. There was a lot of hand ringing at the time.
Like Germany, Japan has now entered into a building coal burning power plants phase. The new plants are state of the art, which likely means they reduce GHS compared to their old power plants.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress among those in touch with it.”
Lily Tomlin
Sorry for Germany but that is not quite correct. There is only one new coal power plant under construction and it is not sure whether it will get finished soon because of legal reasons. The Germans are still much too stupid and brain-washed by their super-green and 150%-biased MSM to realize the complete failure of their so-called “Energie-Wende”…
Don’t forget Germany imports a significant of electricity from French nuclear power plant,
“only one new coal power plant under construction“. Please can you provide more information with link(s). Reports from a few years ago were of lots of coal-fired power stations being proposed in Germany (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Coal_power_plant_proposals_in_Germany) so it would be interesting to know what has actually happened.
try being Tasmania down under..their hydros low.and?…
back to generators and old gas turbines
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/03/tasmania-is-cut-off-from-the-world/
Gentle Tramp, I can find at least seven very real projects in Germany at this site listing power-technology projects:
http://www.power-technology.com/projects/region/europe/#G
Some of these may be upgrades. Whether you count that as “new” is moot, since we can expect them to be there for many years to come.
One of them is so big (Lippendorf Power Plant) I actually wondered if they had made a typographical error and multiplied its capacity by 10. And in order to supply it with domestic lignite:
It seems coal-fired power generation is alive and well in Germany, and will be for many years to come.
@MikeJonas & MichaelHart:
Please see here:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_geplanter_Kohlekraftwerke_in_Deutschland
This information should be current, so far I know. Thus “Block 4 in Datteln” is the only coal power plant under construction in Germany at the moment, but completion is stopped now, because of legal opposition by “green” fanatics, who don’t know that in reality more atmospheric CO2 is the best thing you can produce for a better and greener Earth…
See e.g. the following or the next link:
https://youtu.be/d0Z5FdwWw_c
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep20716
Of course, there are still some more coal power plants in Germany at the planning stage, but it is very uncertain if the building of these plants will start in the near future, because the gigantic and insane subsidies for wind and solar power in Germany (paid by all German consumers with brutal additional charges on the electricity bill) do destroy the prices for electricity at the free market and make new large conventional power plants uneconomic under the current conditions.
Except that in Japan, there are no coal plants to replace, or in China either, or in Germany.
This is all new coal to replace in Germany and Japan’s case, nuclear, for political reasons, and in Chinas case, nothing, because its a developing country.
“Except that in Japan, there are no coal plants to replace, or in China either,”
China has hundreds of coal plants. Many of its new coal plants are actually upgrades of its old ones.
wringing
The Japanese actually care they maintain an economy, which allows their society the opportunity to prosper.
Not so the UK, which last night committed itself to a ‘zero emissions economy’. Even ecoloon supremo Obama has not committed himself to the same level sort of stupidity.
He’s wants to.
Indeed, Mr. Miller, Japan is following the rational path, the path which will keep them free. Truth, i.e., what is real, sets free. Truth about science facts. Truth about economics (which is, at bottom, the truth about human nature):
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe
and…
GO, NUCLEAR POWER!
Comrade Cameron’s energy minister has fired the starting gun in the UK’s
Mission to match North Korean prosperity!
Great news! As the first member of the “Friends of CO2 Movement” and “The Carbonist Party” I simply love lots of new coal power plants… 😉
ITYM Corbynist party.
Probably bring back UK coal mines so as to have a miners union again.
Go green! Terraform the planet with more CO2 ‘fertilizer’!
Better living through (photosynthetic) chemistry.
Proof the green blob does not really believe in global warming is their attitude towards nuclear power. If they were actually concerned about CO2 emissions, nuclear is the only real choice. Given their advocacy for wind and solar, which are not really useful without real utility-scale energy storage, they have other goals. One can speculate indefinitely on what their real goals are. Paul Ehrlich anyone?
Agenda 21 has always been the long term goal. CAGW is just a tool
Have VW-inspired emission compliance algorithms come to the rescue?
Kewl! They bought cheap coal based power from the mainland, and sold pricey hydro power back to the mainland. This sounds absurd, but it made sense in terms of carbon credits and clean power rules. Unfortunately, dollar signs got in their eyes, and they pulled their hydro water levels down to dangerous levels without any thought to reserve capacity in case of need.
When things were going well, they must have made a fortune. I wonder where all the money went?
They may have brought the whole problem on to themselves by frying the BassLink cable while profiteering from the Carbon Tax – yet another side-effect of that market distortion brought in by our first female Prime Minister (against her explicit election promise)
http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/hydro-tasmania-exceeded-safe-power-transmission-levels-basslink-says/news-story/604185bf8d24057f82bbf56f94a0db93
Hydro-Tasmania, one of the top 250 to carbon polluters, made an extra ~AU$52mil profit…in the first year of the price on carbon.
The problem here is Tasmania has (like most SNAFUs) multiple causes. The cable has only been in place a decade, and its installation changed the economics of the system. There are a couple of major hydro storages (Great Lake and Lake Gordon), but the water they contained had lower value in providing long-term security once the system could be backed up by importing coal-fired power form the National Electricity Market. It also made more sense to use the hydro stations more to provide peak power when the price in the market was highest and import off-peak coal power when prices were low.
The carbon tax raised prices. Once they know it was to be abolished after the change of (Commonwealth) government in late 2013, again, it made sense to maximise revenue while the tax was inflating prices. So storages were low – and then we were hit with a dry year and low inflows, followed by the cable failing.
The response has pretty much followed the principle of Least-cost Utility Planning. LCUP says to cover risk, not by over-investing in capacity, but by fast-tracking additional generation (gas turbine or – as in Tasmania – diesel) and adopting policies like ‘purchased conservation’ – including paying heavy industrial consumers not to consume.
The industrial users (an aluminium smelter, zinc smelter, paper mill, electrometallurgical plant, etc) account for 60% of consumption and have voluntarily reduced consumption.
So – the lights have not gone out yet, but we are praying for good rains! We actually had summer flood in the east and the north in late January, but little on the west coast, where most of the hydro catchments are.
Tassie has the highest pop of greentards and govvy workers per capita
they all want “clean green” and are willing to ruin the economy to have it.
the built a dam on what got called Lake pedder
the bobbrownnosers protested and got it dismantled
about now…it would have been a useful butt saver.
and no ones saying a word about it…funny that!
Wow…no redundancy and no contingency plan?
Tassie’s power vulnerability is the major reason why it has been such a focus for the Greens.
Wow freaky – please send a writeup to Anthony, via submit a story – this deserves its own post, yet another green catastrophe.
Robert O on the Jo Nova site is the man to provide extensive details on this mess
Coal is a reliable means for generating electricity. Cheap, too. The real pollutants are an issue but technology has evolved to remove most.
“Technology has evolved to remove most pollutants”
Not if CO2 is defined as pollutant. There is no way to burn the coal to extract the Gibbs Free energy without creating one whacking heck of a lot of CO2. Since the Paris agenda was about reducing CO2 emissions, building coal burners to meet the mandates is hilarious.
And down here in the Hunter valley, we have heaps of high quality thermal coal.
Thank you Japan 🙂
But you won’t be able to ship the coal to them because the feds HATE coal and will NOT issue the necessary permit (until you pay $100,000,000.00 to the Clinton Foundation).
Last time I checked, we still drove on the left.
Peterg March 15, 2016 at 5:21 pm
Last time I checked, we still drove on the left.
Hunter Valley wine will do that to you.
Please don’t tell Obama this (that Japan is building coal plants while we are closing them) it might cause him to miss a putt!
KOL, an ETF. Today it was down 3.29 % at $7.36. KOL turned the bottom on 23 Jan. 2016 at about $5.25: an increase of about 40.2%.
Jeeze Louize! Time to Buy Buy Buy baby!
Thank you Japan, Germany and Obama-baby (no drilling or development on the US East-Southeast coast means that the over-supply of oil will be drawn down by a year from now, when the next President opens the whole shebang).
Ha ha
I agree. This whole thing is political. You can see that much higher than normal volume is occurring on these up days. Investors are smelling low risk at this price … high reward.
Disclaimer .. I own me some bought at beginning of the year. My monthly cash flow tracker does has not created a clear buy signal, but she trades well. Typically the monthly signal misses the first move.
The US currently exports a nice amount of coal to the Netherlands who then sell it to the rest of Europe.
I do have to chuckle at the thought of that. It’s certainly an Alice in Wonderlandia moment.
Dig it out of the ground here and move it by train over yonder to ship it to foreigners when of course they have their own coal that they evidently can’t get out of the ground there.
“Fleets of Nuclear Reactors.” Heh!
“The introduction of (planned) new coal plants after 2016 will represent a more than 65% increase in coal capacity, compared to Korea’s current levels,” Joo-jin Kim, a lawyer with consultancy ELPS, told Carbon Pulse.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/south-korea-abandons-2020-ghg-target/
In the US there is a renewed propaganda campaign targeting peoples fear of minute metals pollution, everything from lead, arsenic and cadmium to trace contamination of tritium inside nuclear facilities. Sometimes the alarm is being raised about the discovery of these contaminates in less than dangerous amounts or, in the case of the tritium in trenches dug specifically for the purpose of detecting this form of “leakage” as part of the containment design. A lot of sound and fury though!
lol, good old capitalists (best thing going — I’m just citing a necessary ev1l of the best system we can devise, given human nature is what it is and always will be):
Big Coal: Nuclear waste will poison you!!! Fukashima was a disaster!!! Chernobyl!!!
Buy coal.
Big Nuclear: CO2 IS KILLING THE PLANET!!!
Buy nuclear.
**********************************
Well, I still say, GO, NUCLEAR POWER! #(:))
And, where nuclear power cannot (in U.S., need the regulatory chains hindering it removed) yet power a thriving economy, go, Big Coal.
I’m with you Janice…I’m just pointing out that the propaganda against miniscule “contamination” is ramping up. The point is the contamination falls below thresholds for any kind of danger to humans or the environment. GO NUCLEAR!
WUWT ran an analysis of concentration patterns and health effects. They are all downwind of natural sources like the ocean and exposed natural deposits.
Dear Japan,
Thank you for the food.
Sincerely,
The Plants
Korea seems to move in similar direction. It wants to abandon the GHG tartgets for 2020 and the ETS will move from the Min. of Environment to the “business friendly” Ministry of Finance. It was already planning more coal power plants: 65% more than current levels.
Source: http://carbon-pulse.com/16177/
+1
Another nuclear disaster in Japan and we could have nuclear migration. That’d be mighty green of them.
rishrac: There was, for the, what, 59th? 70th? 800th?? time, no “nuclear disaster” in Japan. None.
I’m not going to quote from this article, for you need to READ THE WHOLE THING:
http://www.cfact.org/2013/10/12/physicist-there-was-no-fukushima-nuclear-disaster/
And there are many other reports which you can easily find if you want to, to know the facts about nuclear power generally and Fukashima specifically.
What in the world are you afraid of?
Knowledge will remove your fears.
You like being afraid?
Oh, brother.
And why do you never use your real name on WUWT if you are so certain of your unsupported assertions? Hm?
well
somethings frying the robots:-)
and theyre admitting reactor cores are missing
Do you watch NHK world? Assertions? Ohio ga nis a wa
They can join all the climate change refugees
There was no nuclear disaster – not one person died from radiation. Many people died from the completely unjustified panic-mongering.
I can live in the the exclusion zone and not die either. … for awhile. I wouldn’t want to have children after living there. I don’t guess, I know my life expectancy will be severely shortened. And as a group all that are or were exposed can also expect to face a shortened life span as well.
Stan, do you know the difference between ignorance and stupidity? The pay is pretty good if you want to work at the nuclear site. Somebody has to clean up that mess. Too bad I can’t MAKE you go since you are all so fired certain that there aren’t major health risks. Worse, you’re telling or implying the that the risks are minimal. Thankfully the Japanese government isn’t listening to people like you.
And since you seem to know a great deal more about nuclear science than I, perhaps you can give me a solution to the missing reactor cores? 1st, where are they? and 2nd, how to recover them? Or even what to do with them? Maybe you can stay up nights worrying about whether they hit a water table, convert it to super hot steam and explode all over the place, or put high concentrations of radioactive material in the water. Some people who are simple like to claim there is no danger, but are the first to blame people who have the responsibility when things go wrong. You have no idea what a nightmare this is. None.
Read up on the Hormesis Effect. Likely consequences are lengthened lifespan, drastically reduced cancer incidence, etc.
Japan is capable of burning coal with advanced combustion techniques. We can sell them large amounts of coal, shipped from our northern West Coast terminals.
15 Mar: Thomson Reuters Foundation: Philippines should walk away from coal plant expansion, Gore says
Climate change activist and former U.S. Vice President Al Gore has urged the Philippines government to end its dependence to polluting coal-fired power stations, particularly given the rapidly dropping prices of renewable energy.
Gore, founder of the non-profit Climate Reality Project, said in a speech to more than 700 climate action leaders being trained in Manila that while the Philippines is making significant efforts to deal with climate impacts it also needs to build a new energy infrastructure.
“We have the solutions at hand to address climate change. Shift to renewable energy,” Gore urged Monday. “The age of renewable energy is beginning.”…
While many countries are adopting more clean energy, the Philippines government last year approved the construction of 25 new coal-fired power plants, said Philippines Senator Loren Legarda…
According to Legarda, the Philippines needs another 13,000 megawatts of power generating capacity by 2030, with about 8,500 of those expected to come from coal…
http://uk.reuters.com/article/philippines-gore-coal-idUKL5N16N2YK
leftwing Qld govt:
15 Mar: Reuters: India’s Adani gets Queensland backing for Australian coal project
Parliament in the Australian state of Queensland agreed on Tuesday that India’s Adani Enterprises Ltd should be granted “all state government approvals” to build one of the world’s biggest coal mines, state mining minister Anthony Lynham said…
Lynham said the development could create thousands of jobs. Adani has estimated it will generate A$22 billion in state taxes and royalties…
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL3N16N5AN
15 Mar: Examiner: Thomas Richard: Al Gore flip-flops on end-of-world tipping points ahead of elections
Speaking in Manila yesterday during a Climate Reality training event, Al Gore said we only have two years left to save the planet and to convince people of global warming’s imminent threat. But in 2014, former VP-turned-green-activist Gore told Rolling Stones that we have reached a turning point, have seen “the worst effects of climate change and have saved civilization as we know it.” Al “sees the future and it is good,” wrote the Daily Kos in 2014…
Since 2006, when his movie ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ hit the film circuit, Al Gore has been making these end-is-nigh proclamations. He said the Arctic would be ice free by 2014. He got that wrong. He had so many scientific errors in his documentary, a UK judge forbade it from being shown in British schools without “guidance notes to prevent political indoctrination.”
***That may be why in Manila he showed an “updated version” of his film…
Gore also railed against carbon, calling it the number one threat to the global economy…
The Philippine’s largest sources of energy come from coal (29 percent) and oil (23 percent). Because coal is so cheap and abundant, “Philippine consumption of coal has … increased by 27% between 2012 and 2014.”…READ ON FOR MORE CONTRADICTIONS/HYPOCRISY ETC
http://www.examiner.com/article/al-gore-flip-flops-on-end-of-world-tipping-points-ahead-of-elections
Good for them. The USA should do the same…
Nice work. They ought to find out if by building high-efficiency coal plants they might not qualify for CDM as defined by the Kyoto protocol and thereby earn them carbon credits too.
15 Mar: Voice of America: Simone Orendain: Philippines Starts Task of Meeting Climate Change Commitments
Gore’s presentation in Manila made the connection between rising earth temperatures, powerful storms, extreme heat, more prolonged drought and their impact on food supplies, public health and political stability.
“I am constantly challenged in my own heart to realize the magnitude of these biblical changes that are going on right now,” he said.“ And we are the people alive in this day and time that have a responsibility to recognize it and then to act.”
Gore spoke Monday to the crowd of about 700 people in Manila, made up of public and private sector environmentalists, climate justice advocates and local media representatives.
Climate Reality CEO Ken Berlin said the goal is to get the Philippines started on its stated intention, made during the U.N. Conference of Parties summit (COP21) in December, to reduce 70 percent of greenhouse gas emissions by 2030.
“And we’ll be working to make sure that commitment is implemented, to build public support for the implementation of it.If there are new laws needed, we’ll work to get those laws through and build public support for that,” said Berlin…
***On its website, the Philippine Energy Department promotes the country as having “vast potential for coal resources just awaiting full exploration and development to contribute to the attainment of the country’s energy self- sufficiency program.”…
http://www.voanews.com/content/philippines-starts-task-of-meeting-climate-change-commitments/3237081.html
Yes!!! Keep US and Aussie coal mines producing, miners employed with good paying jobs, and exporting their extractions.
15 Mar: Philippine Star: Alexis Romero: Former US VP Al Gore to Pinoys: Continue ‘moral crusade’ vs coal
Former United States vice president and environmental activist Al Gore on Monday urged sectors demanding government action on climate change to continue what he described as a “moral struggle” amid the Philippines’s continued support for coal-fired power plants.
Gore compared the climate movement to those who fought for the abolition of slavery, civil rights and the right of women to vote, saying such advocacies faced stiff resistance before they succeeded.
“Every great moral struggle in the history of humanity has met with no after no after no until finally when the question is ultimately resolved in a simple binary choice between what is right is what is wrong. The outcome became pre-ordained because of who we are as human beings,” Gore said during a two-hour lecture he delivered during the Climate Reality Leadership Corps Training in Pasay.
“That is where the climate movement is today. There have been no’s after no’s after nos. People have tried to confused the issue people have tried to cloud the issue,” he added.
“But now because of the impacts of climate-related extreme weather and because of our understanding of what is happening, it has become a simple choice between what is right and what is wrong.”
Gore, founder of the non-profit group Climate Reality Project, said people should pressure their leaders to act on climate change despite efforts by skeptics to muddle the issue…
“The need to act is indisputable,” Gore said.
“We can get rid of dirty fossil fuel. We need to put a price on carbon in the markers and put a price on denial in politics,” he added.
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/03/15/1563178/former-us-vp-al-gore-pinoys-continue-moral-crusade-vs-coal
In the musings of what makes the man, I tend to think Gore’s environmental streak is a backlash to his uncomfortable connection to tobacco wealth. His sister also died of lung cancer. He speaks with the words of a believer in his cause. Ultimately his fervor is misplaced but I tend to think it is rooted in an uncomfortable past.
Quick! Give our coal hating mastermind at Pennsylvania Ave. some Pepto for
that upset tummy.
14 Mar: Inquirer Philippines: Kristine Angeli Sabillo: Al Gore to ‘climate warriors’: We only have years to make large change
“We’re in an unusual situation in our world. We have to make a very large change. And we have to do it in a ridiculously short period of time,” Gore said during the first day of the Climate Reality Leadership Corps training held in Sofitel, Manila. “I say ridiculously because we’re used to making changes these large over centuries.”
“We don’t have centuries. We have years. And each day matters,” he told more than 600 participants, some of whom flew into the country to attend the three-day workshop…
“It’s an extraordinary challenge. But we are winning. We are succeeding. The real question is how much longer will it take to complete this transition,” he explained.
Gore emphasized that the change should start from the grassroots…
There are now more than 9,000 climate leaders in 135 countries, according to Ken Berlin, president and CEO of The Climate Reality Project.
They are targeting 20,000 volunteers by 2020…
During his presentation, Gore showed how the Philippines is one of the most vulnerable countries to climate change
He also gave examples on how other countries like the United States are being affected by extreme weather and changes in water and air temperature.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/137741/al-gore-to-climate-warriors-we-only-have-years-to-make-large-change
info on Ken Berlin:
Coalition for Green Capital: Kenneth Berlin, Climate Reality Project
Mr. Berlin has played an integral role in the establishment of the Coalition for Green Capital in 2012 and has dedicated years to promoting the green bank concept. He recently accepted a position as President and CEO of the Climate Reality Project.
Mr. Berlin is the former head of the Environmental and Climate Change Practices at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom law firm and has an extensive background in environmental and climate change matters. The firm’s climate change practice includes 23 attorneys and represents clients in all aspects of climate change work, including emission trading, litigation and compliance advice. Mr. Berlin is the author of articles on clean coal and climate change and lectures widely on climate change issues. He is one of only two U.S. lawyers listed in the first tier of Climate Change Lawyers in Chambers Global. He is also listed in the first tier of Environmental Transactional Lawyers in Chambers USA and The Best Lawyers in America 2008. Mr. Berlin is former Chairman of the Board of the Environmental Law Institute and has been on the Board or National Counsel of many environmental groups. Mr. Berlin is a member of President Obama’s Environmental & Energy Policy Group and his Mid-Atlantic Finance Team.
http://www.coalitionforgreencapital.com/ken-berlin.html
Pat, why are you promoting the ranting of Gore ??
He’s just another snake-oil salesman trying (very successfully) to make a Dishonest $ by selling fear.
The ultimatums and dire last-chance dates of which prognosticator have come to pass? Answer: None.
which ones should we heed? Same answer.
“In the wake of the 2011 Fukushima disaster Japan mothballed its fleet of nuclear reactors, relying on fossil fuel imports to meet energy demand …”.
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“There was no association between the deaths of six workers at the plant during the accident and radiation exposure … the six people’s deaths were linked to either previous health problems or non-radiation accidents …
… one of the people who died had acute leukemia, while another fell off a ladder …” (medicalnewstoday):
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/245794.php
Chris
G’day mate. You seem to have missed some ‘small’ detail in your comments on the Fukushima accident. Such as the Great East Japan Earthquake of magnitude 9.0 which hit the fukushimal area and subsequent Tsunami (about 45 minutes after quake) resulting in around 20.000 deaths. The plants operating reactors all shutdown automatically when the quake hit, but the tsunami took out the emergency generators at the plant. Lousy engineering effort to have these in the basement. The operators then had no control over the cooling sytems for a couple of days, which resulted in the accident. No plant or local people were, or have been, killed in the nuclear accident, although 3 poor souls lost their lives in the Daiichi and Daini nuclear plants during the Earthquake and Tsunami.
See world-nuclear.org/information [follow Fukushima link]
Jim Stewart
100%- surprising for the Japanese to be shown to have so poorly located and engineered these reactors. It does, however make one wonder about other reactors around the world. I know after Fukushima there was an audit of U.S. plants that showed significant non-compliance and failure to meet previous repair and upgrade requirements from regulators.
I know after Fukushima there was an audit of U.S. plants that showed significant non-compliance and failure to meet previous repair and upgrade requirements from regulators.
Link?
The Japanese and Chinese are intelligent and practical people unlike the Leftists and Warmists that have infiltrated Western Countries’ political systems. The Japanese and Chinese move to define investment in high efficiency coal plants as “climate finance“, is magnificent and cost-saving too, and should be widely emulated. After all, things are only what you call them, aren’t they. I think that the Russians will be in agreement with their idea.
Japan is showing common sense. Compare to the bonfire of eco-socialist
insanity. It was never about the environment, never about replacing energy
-efficient-fossil-fuels with energy-efficient – low carbon -emission-nuclear-
power. Had to go with renewables, that need constant renewing and back-
up when the wind don’t blow and the sun don’t shine. Here DRAX madness ,
shipping wood-chips from Canadian forests to Britain…Green energy??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581887/The-bonfire-insanity-Woodland-shipped-3-800-miles-burned-Drax-power-station-It-belches-CO2-
In parliament today in oz a greenie questioned the prime minister about the impending climate doom as told by our chief scientist that NASA had recorded an extremely high Co2 reading at Hawaii. Which meant we are all going to perish because we are not acting quick enough to reduce carbon pollution .
Isn’t there active volcanoes in Hawaii ?why would NASA record Co2 levels in a place with elevated natural levels of Co2 ??? Oh that’s right it’s NASA !
I would like , at this point , to see some comments on the situation re: increased coal power dependency amongst leading economies , from our friends of the warmist persuasion.
Is it approved by them because it is a shift from nuclear , or disapproved because of increased CO2 emission ? The silence is a bit baffling , or have they thrown in the towel ?
OT but may be of interest to some.
Oxford professor wins £500,000 for solving 300-year-old mathematical mystery
Sir Andrew Wiles’ proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem has been described as ‘an epochal moment for mathematics’
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03595/Fermat_s-Last-Theo_3595243b.jpg
We can give Japan a head start by selling to them the coal fired power station at Longannet in Fife. It is going out of operation next month. We can moor barges at the power station jetty, dismantle it, put the pieces on the barges and send them to Japan like a giant jigsaw. Much quicker than building a new one from scratch.
We can buy candles from Japan so that we can have light during next winter.
And heat, Oldseadog.
No, no, the heat comes from the parliament buildings in Edinburgh and London.
And out of whisky bottles, of course. Even whiskey bottles.
Add to the proposed Japanese CFPS’s, their intention to import massive amounts of LNG from massive new sources in Northern Australia. The idiot Ministers and their civil service leaders and lackeys in the UK Government daren’t tell us the cost of the massive gas-tight greenhouse covering the whole of the UK that will be needed to make their imposed Green Energy Policies environmentally effective. We already know that these policies are commercially and economically grossly unaffordable and competitively suicidal.
Now would be a great time for Japan to snap up Peabody Energy, the largest coal mining company in the US. They just missed their March 15th. bond payment and have filed a “Going Concern” SEC document saying they are preparing for bankruptcy. It is expected that in bankruptcy Peabody will be able to jettison it’s burdensome obligations for worker retirement pensions, healthcare and EPA mandated mining restorations. It’s the deal of a lifetime – there is enough coal in the Peabody mines to last Japan 500 years!
I thought Anthony shut down the comments section??? Forget AGW and even CO2, the sulfur dioxides, nitrous oxides along with coal being the leading cause of smog, acid rain and toxic air pollution should be enough, elimination of the radionuclides is a problem too. Even the Chinese recognize this; ever see a news clip from a major urban center in China lately, such as Shanghai or Taiwan? They’re all walking around with masks on! No such thing as “Clean Coal”; its a marketing slogan.
What? What? Radionuclides? There are such things? You do realize that you are going up against the gospel of AGW. The things people can say in different situations has entirely different meanings. … no such thing I was told… when I was asking about the validity of measuring isotope ratios in co2. You must be a bona fide climate scientist.
Only a bona fide climate scientist can make such a statement and live to tell about it. (The rest of us face jail time, re-education, or possibly death). I’m getting the hang of this. It’s only true when talking about how unhealthy coal is and doesn’t exist when measuring isotope ratios.
You can’t possibly be that stupid, conflating modern, scrubber-equipped coal plants with the situation they have in China.
Or maybe you are.
I agree entirely. What I can’t understand is why the UK CFPS’s owners couldn’t do what their German counterparts and others have done, namely retrofit such scrubber/filter systems to remove/reduce the real pollutants in CFPS emissions – and stay in business. Why, also, have they not provided new CFPS’s with such scrubbers/filters as the Germans have done and now the Japanese and others intend? The designs would be basically the same and coal is now mostly bought on the global market and not locally sourced. Is it simply because of the UK’s typical gold plating of EU directives and Blair’s past unilateral legal commitment on CO2 emissions – something that Cameron’s government is now augmenting with their intended further CO2 commitments following the farce of the Paris Conference?
@T.Madigan:
“ever see a news clip from a major urban center in China lately, such as Shanghai or Taiwan? They’re all walking around with masks on……”
Among other things, you appear to be unable to get your East Asian geography right. While Shanghai is certainly an urban center in China, Taiwan is not. The last time I checked, Taiwan was (and I believe still is) an island nation off the coast of mainland China. The Chinese however still consider Taiwan a rebel province.
This is the first time I’ve ever heard radionuclides mentioned in association with coal plants, if indeed that is what you are doing. Everything I’ve read on the subject was always in association with nuclear power. In addition, I may be wrong here, but I do not believe that the Chinese install pollution control equipment on their coal plants like we do here in the West….which would explain their air quality problems now wouldn’t it? Using coal for power generation is just a matter of developing the technologies to do it cleanly and responsibly.
Coal waste contains some radioactive material, that’s a well-known fact. Probably not to worry about thoug.
The greens in California are saying that there are radionuclides in fossil fuel burnings. Most recently in the gas leak north of Los Angles that was picking up radon from the soil. Perhaps, but it may have to do with the sodium nuclear reactors that melted down nearby in 1949. Just for info not related, they were also saying that in sunlight the methane was/is being converted to fomidahyde.
When in doubt and there is a probability, I’d be wearing a radiation badge and carrying a gieger counter.
There are radionuclides just about everywhere, including coal and so like with any discussion of contaminants, it should be couched in some meaningful perspective.
NGOs know this but once again launch the half truth while it runs and the rest of the truth has to wade thru stirred up emotions to be heard.
Rinse, repeat the strategy.
I often wonder if the masses ever reach a point of hysteria saturation.
“T. Madigan
March 16, 2016 at 6:19 am
They’re all walking around with masks on! No such thing as “Clean Coal”; its a marketing slogan.”
I have seen Asian people walk around in London (Clean air act since the 1950’s), Wellington, New Zealand (Near Pencarrow Head, 2nd cleanest air on this rock apparently), Melbourne and Sydney Australia, fairly good air, wearing face masks on.
Clean coal is a marketing slogan, agreed. However, many plants scrub exhaust so much so that only water vapour and CO2 are emitted. So too is clean, renewable, energy is a marketing slogan. There is nothing we do, make and use, including the PC, telecoms networks that you are using to make your protest, that does not involve mining and energy use. If you can grow your internet connection, power and PC on a tree, get back to me. Otherwise I see you as a hypocrite!
What was said about the French is even more true for the islands of Japan: “No coal. No oil. No gas. No choice.” They need to import everything. Better to go with low cost uranium fuel. Turn the nukes back on, and build more. The tsunami was a great tragedy. Fukushima was more of an MSM blitz following that, to keep it all alive. It was expensive, but few people died from anything to do with Fukushima.
Perhaps they could ‘capture’ the CO2 emissions as a compressed gas to be used for carbonating their (notoriously flat) beer.
Note to all who respond to any comment of mine: I don’t have time to waste fighting with you. If your response is belligerent, offensive or uses insulting or demeaning language, don’t expect any further comments of responses from me.
The threat of jail time, fines, punishment, re-education, and possibly execution are very real to anybody that is a deiner. Myself, and others, the term deiner comes from denying the Holocaust happened and denying CAGW is in the same vain. By prominent individuals and organizations they have said people that deny CAGW are responsible for the potential deaths of millions of people and should be dealt with in the harshest of ways. Please note that not one of the predicted calamities has occurred since the Kyoto accord. Myself and others have been called mentally sick, stupid, on the payroll of big oil, and strawman, I have a problem with authority. .the list is quite long.
I think it is wrong that the same group of people who tell me that I’m sick and delusional, that I don’t know physics or chemistry, tell me that there are no radionuclides in fossil fuels, then 15 years later say there is in a different context. To me it is logical that there would be and even in naturally occurring events where co2 is released. Try selling your house without a radon test. But then the story line about how the IPCC can tell where the co2 came from, how long it exists in the atmosphere, and how much starts to unravel.
Of my many beliefs, CAGW is not one of them. T. Madigan if you believe you are right about something stand up for it. The arguments may be sharp, but certainly no one here is calling for you to be jailed or worse. Except of course, those who have committed fraud at taxpayer expense to push a political agenda. (You aren’t one of those, are you?) There are probably quite a few people that their research wouldn’t make the grade, however, they aren’t trying to effect wholesale changes in economics, government, or standard of living. The effect of elevating AGW while pushing back against anyone or anything that disagrees with the meme has had a chilling effect on science.
Nurses studied in an area of very high radon readings had fewer than normal cancers. Chronic exposure increases resistance in general by ramping up DNA-repair mechanisms (which robots, btw, lack).
Interesting. I’d love to see reliable statistical correlation for naturally occurring higher radiation and low rates of cancer ?
I can see that this is a new push towards nuclear. Scientific American makes similar claims in this month’s edition. No harm from a nuclear accident is what they are implying. Maybe the drinking water in Flint, MI is safe to drink after all. It’s the paint that’s causing your lead poisioning. If you push for that type of reasoning, then let me be the first to relocate you to one of those areas. How many 4/5 leaf clovers are growing in your yard? (Or park)…
How many firefighters at Chernoble died? None! How many people came down with lung problems from cleaning up the WTC. None! EPA chief Christy declared the air safe!
I didn’t kill that guy. He was still alive until the doctors removed the knife.
Cancer just runs in some communities and families. Who is to say?
You’re linking scientific evidence of hard nuclear facts with soft scientific evidence of global warming. Global warming is only supported by assumptions and maybe’s that so far have failed to appear in the time frame required by the math of AGW. Nuclear deaths from accidents have been underreported, because, well we can’t say for certain that the weird tumor going in his back is from the release of radiation from TMI.
Whew! We were so worried!
Looks like our coal miners will have someone to sell coal to and we’ll have this big supply we won’t be using because we’ll be deep into the expensive unreliable windmills and solar panels and quadrupled electric bills.
Businesses are cowards . They only go where the are welcome . Hillary Clinton trash talk and announcement about her plan to shut down USA coal companies and eliminate coal worker jobs
could present Japan and China with an excellent opportunity to buy cheap assets , generate coal power and export steel to the USA . Hillary apparently hasn’t quite figured out what steel is made from .
Imagine the excitement in the military knowing their President has made them completely reliant on countries for steel that the USA must consider defending itself against . Now there is a big thinker
who will not only throw the coal industry and it’s employees under the bus but the military too .
As soon as hedge fund billionaires pull political strings things just don’t work for the public interest it
seems . No wonder Trump is popular . He will never sell Americans out .
As they say don’t get emotionally attached to someone who isn’t emotionally attached to you .
Thanks for playing your cards though Hillary .
“Amber
March 16, 2016 at 10:25 pm
No wonder Trump is popular . He will never sell Americans out .”
You really believe that? If I was a voter in the US, I would not feel so “secure” Trump would not sell me out.
You mean Hillary, the Cloward-Piven supporter? UCLIU