Guest Opinion: Dr. Tim Ball

An interesting pattern developed early in the official involvement in global warming. If a person challenged the claim that humans were causing global warming (AGW), it was assumed they were on the political right. If you supported AGW, then you were on the left. This categorization is not related to the science, but to the political nature of the science involved. This occurred in two major parts. The original objective of those using global warming for their political agenda and the marginalizing of those who questioned the science by linking them to industries and their wealthy owners. The author believes the evidence shows that human CO2 is not causing AGW, that the hypothesis is not proved. This article is not written to pick political sides. Rather, it is an attempt to help understand the battles waged and the confusion this created for the public, the politicians, the media, and a majority of scientists.
The world needed the new paradigm of environmentalism. The problem is that a few grabbed it for a political agenda. They used it as a vehicle to take the moral high ground, to claim only they cared about the environment. They argued that everyone else was guilty of environmental destruction because of their avarice and wasteful ways. The debate about global warming is a subset of environmentalism that was also hijacked using the same themes.
At the first Heartland Conference in New York in 2004 Vaclav Klaus twice Prime Minister of the Czech Republic was the keynote speaker. His opening remark that we have just gone through 70 years of communism so why the hell would you want to go back to that brought a standing ovation. It supports the fact that environmentalism and AGW is a political agenda pushed by extremely wealthy and powerful left wing people most of who made their money exploiting the environment. The psychology of that is beyond the discussion here, but consider the hypocrisy of George Soros, Maurice Strong, Bill Gates, the Rockefeller’s, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Ted Turner among many others.
Maurice Strong described himself as “a socialist in ideology, a capitalist in methodology”.
This description appears to apply to them all.
The confusion for the public that wealthy people are also socialists is similar to that about another person. Most people think Adolf Hitler was a right wing fascist, but he was a socialist who also promoted a form of environmentalism. The word “Nazi” stands for National Socialism.
Collectively, most of these wealthy socialists acted through their privileged group called the Club of Rome. The Club was formed in 1968 at David Rockefeller’s estate in Bellagio, Italy. In their 1994 book The First Global Revolution Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider wrote.
“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
They claim the list of enemies is designed to unite people. In fact, it is needed to overcome what they see as the divisiveness of nation-states and to justify the establishment of one-world government or global socialism. They believe that global warming is a global problem that national governments cannot resolve. The changed behavior they want is for all to become socialists.
They finally settled on global warming as the environmental issue best suited for their goal. Of course, the plan was just the beginning. One of my favorite cartoons from the New Yorker showed Moses on the mountain with the Ten Commandments. The caption read “Great idea, who is going to fund it?” Global warming and the identification of human produced CO2 as the problem suited all the political, financial, and pseudo-religious controls a socialist group could desire.
The Kyoto Protocol was presented as a solution to the problem of human-caused global warming. Those who created the Protocol also created the problem. Through the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) they produced the science required to support their claim. It is a well-thought out, well-planned, classic circular argument. One of the early examples occurred in the book Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment co-authored by Paul and Anne Ehrlich and President Obama’s current Science Advisor John Holdren. While discussing the non-existent problem of overpopulation they wrote,
Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.
The question is who “concluded that compulsory population-control” could be sustained? The answer is the authors did. The next question is who decides “if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society?” Again, it is the authors. So, they claim there is a problem, then they decide when it is severe enough to warrant complete suspension of legal controls against such totalitarianism.
More succinctly, they created the problem, created the proof of the problem, then offered the solution. This is what was done with the AGW claim. They assumed, incorrectly, that a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase. They then provided proof by programming computer models in which a CO2 increase caused a temperature increase. They ran the model(s) by doubling CO2, ceteris paribus. The results showed a temperature increase, which proved their claim. Now they could use CO2 as the lever for all their political objectives incorporated into the Kyoto Protocol. Science became the basis of blind faith.
In Kyoto, nations who developed their economies and became wealthy using CO2 were to pay for their sins by giving money to nations who suffered. It was a penance. Catholics paid penance for their sins which included a delay in their entrance to heaven. In the medieval Catholic church, you could buy Indulgences to bypass the punishment. Carbon Credits became the modern equivalent, and Al Gore was the equivalent of The Pardoner selling Indulgences as celebrated in Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales. With Indulgences and Carbon Credits there was no reduction in the sins. In fact, they encouraged more sins because you simply bought a pass – a get-out-of jail-free card.
Kyoto provided the political basis for the agenda. It was a classic redistribution of wealth that is the goal of a socialist government. Money from successful developed nations was given to less successful developing nations. To collect and redistribute the money required a government that overarched all nation-states. A single world government that managed a world banking system was the ideal. Temporarily the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund would suffice.
Kyoto provided the basis for the financial agenda. Money needed to fund the single world government was a global carbon tax. Many notable people, like Ralph Nader, claimed the tax was the best solution to stop climate change. Funding was part of the plan for the 2009 Copenhagen Conference of the Parties 15 (COP15). The COP can only act on the science provided by the IPCC. Apparently somebody knew the political agenda was based on false science and exposed it by leaking emails from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU). This worked because the scientists controlling the IPCC worked at, or with, the CRU. They controlled key chapters in IPCC Reports, including the instrumental data, the paleoclimate data, and the computer models. They also ensured their presence on the most influential document, the Summary for Policymakers (SPM). The Wegman Report that examined the dispute over the ‘hockey stick’ produced in the 2001 Report recognized the incestuous relationships of the research when they wrote,
Recommendation 1. Especially when massive amounts of public monies and human lives are at stake, academic work should have a more intense level of scrutiny and review. It is especially the case that authors of policy-related documents like the IPCC report, Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis, should not be the same people as those that constructed the academic papers.
The leaked information delayed the political process, but it was only temporary. The following year at COP16 in Durban they produced the replacement program called the Green Climate Fund (GCF). It was approved at COP21 in Paris in December 2015.
The process and method of setting up the AGW hypothesis through the UN paralleled those required to form a left wing or socialist government. It automatically identified those scientists who questioned the hypothesis as at least sympathetic to capitalism – guilt by association. It is part of today’s view that if you are not with me, you must be against me. Over the years, a few scientists told me they agreed with the skeptics but would not say so publicly because they were socialists.
Vaclav Klaus was one of the few world political leaders to identify what was going on. He recognized that global warming was a subset of environmentalism. He recognized that it was a blind faith belief system based on no evidence or, at best, manufactured evidence. In his book Blue Planet in Green Shackles, he wrote,
“it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a “noble” idea. It is not an honest pursuit of “sustainable development,” a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.”
The pattern of identifying those skeptical about the AGW hypothesis as right wing was an inevitable result of the political objective.
‘The confusion for the public that wealthy people are also socialists is similar to that about another person. Most people think Adolf Hitler was a right wing fascist, but he was a socialist who also promoted a form of environmentalism. The word “Nazi” stands for National Socialism.’
I recently heard a leftist radio announcer claim Hitler hijacked the Socialist party and took it from the far left to the far right. Without a single person noticing!
I said the opposite of “far left” is “small government libertarian.”
I pointed out that he anticipated Deng Xiaoping by 40 years – you can nationalise the outside it and profits without the hassle of micro managing the actual production. Let the schleppers do the hard work of management. Then you nationalise the profit, direct the trade flows, redistribute and direct the military. You set prices, you set profits – to negative if necessary, allowing your allied to take control.
He raised the “nationalist” part of “Nazi”. I pointed out Hitler’s Union of Socialist Republics plan was identical to Stalin’s.
At that point he was so enraged he chucked me off the air.
Not allowed to say Hitler was a socialist and leader of the “National Socialist” Party in Australia. Automatic reason for deletion and or banning on websites. Lefties hate it.
Don’t you mean Austria? Or has Australia also fallen foul of the thought police.
@jbenton2013
“Don’t you mean Austria?”
No, he does mean Australia. You’re allowed to call Hitler a NAZI or even a nationalist, but never a socialist. You’re allowed to call a sceptic a (holocaust) denier though. Welcome to the world’s biggest politically correct nanny state.
There is an article in the latest edition News Corp national newspaper The Weekend Australian by Chris Uhlman who is the political editor for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Mr Uhlman basically sets out the intolerance of the leftists as being pretty much in accord with the writings of one Herbert Marcuse whereby those branded tolerant are intolerant of those that they brand as intolerant, the establichment. It is a classic example of the Mobius Strip logic that is basically self reference posing as philosophical thought.
The whole AGW boondoggle is just another newspeak set piece in the same broader intolerance of tolerance whrein intolerance is defined by the intolerant as tolerance. “Deniers” are defined as intolerant and denied tolerance of their opinions.
Largely correct, but the national part of national socialism was deliberately chosen to stand against the international socialism of the Bolsheviks. As Hayek wrote in 1944 in The Road to Serfdom, socialism and fascism are sisters.
Hayek’s work is a razor sharp intellectual knife that fillets and cuts through the intellectual fog and tangles of the socialism. I have it downloaded on my Amazon Kindle and refer back to his passages in The Road to Serfdom from time to time to bring clarity to what we occurring today from the Left. Highly recommended.
It was the german Labour Party he took over. At the time he joined his party number was 7. The socialist party SPD was a completely different entity that still exists. Mein Kampf vol.1 Kap.9
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Here is an article by George Reisman. He explains why Nazism was socialism and why socialism is totalitarianism.
Absolute Far left is Complete Government Control of everything ; Absolute Far right is NO government ..
What leftist need to tell us is how on the way to no government gets us Nazis?
What I find perplexing; is the left screams that we want anarchy every time we want to cut the budget…
But Nazis at the same time..
The seem too dense to realize they are polar opposites… you cant have both
cashman:
Anything can be twisted to mean anything by redefining the meanings of words. In his distopian novel ‘1984’ George Orwell gave the name ‘Newspeak’ to the fascist utilisation of deleting or redefining words to control how concepts can be considered.
The political spectrum has existed for over two centuries. It places communism (i.e. total collectivism) at the extreme left and fascism (i.e. total control by power elites) at the extreme right.
Recently the extreme right has found its history (especially in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s) to be an embarrassment. Hence, they have tried to pretend the political spectrum is other than it is and it always has been.
You are claiming you are “too dense” to understand that your arguments are merely a construct of Humpty Dumpty words but I doubt that you are.
Richard
‘Left’ and ‘right’ are simplistic. The spectrum is more like a circle, with free republican government at the top, and communist and fascist totalitarian arms meeting at the bottom (thanks to Mark Levin, among others).
To include all the varieties, we probably need a sphere. But in any case, the forms of totalitarianism become indistinguishable at the bottom.
/Mr Lynn
L. E. Joiner:
I refer you to my post immediately above yours.
I repeat,
Anything can be twisted to mean anything by redefining the meanings of words.
and
The political spectrum has existed for over two centuries. It places communism (i.e. total collectivism) at the extreme left and fascism (i.e. total control by power elites) at the extreme right.
That is reality.
Richard
Richard,
“The political spectrum has existed for over two centuries. It places communism (i.e. total collectivism) at the extreme left and fascism (i.e. total control by power elites) at the extreme right.”
What happened to the possibility of power elites in a collectivist system? . . You know, like we’re all too familiar with?
My basic reading of socialist philosophy was that the state (government) would ultimately whither away like an appendix. People would automatically learn their roles in society and carry them out without direction or supervision. (no bosses). However that has always sounded somewhat utopian.
I think referring to Hitler to post modern political identifiers is a little more complex then either current sides can handle. Certainly, as boomer in the US the label “right wing” was a false flag smear if ever there was one.
One thing of course was Hitler’s very provincial and lower class view of economics as a whole. You might want review William Shirer’s passage regarding economic policy as Hitler rose to office. Many of the rank and file wanted, with some support from Hitler’s rhetoric, to emulate the Soviet purge of the upper class and go to a complete command and control war economy almost at once.
They were on the list for WW1 failures as well and there was a pretty huge class war element in the movement.
A financial crisis was already there, Hitler had to be convinced to endorse free marketsa and trade. Many of the flat earth factions would be found in the SA and the Night of Long Knives had numerous explications including general economic policy:
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/the-night-of-the-long-knives/
Frankly, any policy was a means to end. If killing the aristocracy was worth more then what followed he would have done it. Not out of leftist idealism or desire. More like Octavian’s proscriptions.
The concept of ethnic nationalism just doesn’t translate to a modern conversion. That it’s been a propaganda tool of various left wing establishments in media, popular culture and education; “Hitler rightwing” is pathetic and stupid but there is no sense clinging to the word “Socialism” as if it meant the same either then or now in various locations. Hitler would have made any ideological deal or compromise (non-Aggression Pact with Stalin proof positive) if it advanced the broader goal of a large German domination in Central Europe with its place in the world.
So there’s no point playing the lefty label game in my opinion. Sadly only a small section of the population has made any study of actual events or history of the Hitler period to realize the sort of idiotic ranting from one particular board participant here but that’s the way it goes.
And there, in a nutshell, is why I smelled a rat and joined the ranks of the skeptics.
Right on the button Dr Ball. Our city has been the victim of this fraud. Here’s a summary and an essay exposing prominent New Zealanders and their role in the Turitea wind farm fraud
turiteadocuments.wordpress.com/turitea-wind-farm-documents/
https://turiteadocuments.wordpress.com/turitea-wind-farm-documents/
There are two Canadian (Ontario) NAFTA cases with one judgement pending and the other case underway in Toronto. Both cases involve wind projects and the present case involves an off-shore wind project at the eastern end of Lake Ontario which was canceled by the Ontario government.
If both companies win a full NAFTA judgement, the cost to the Canadian taxpayers will be in the range of $ 1 billion for NAFTA violations Both NAFTA actions brought by U.S. based companies against the Canadian government.
Trade agreements do have unintended consequences.
Unintended consequences? Are you sure about that?
A bridge too far, Dr. Ball. While there is some truth in what you assert (witness Christina Figueres, head of UNFCCC), it is mostly half truths. Asserting ‘Agenda 21 motives’ detracts from the skeptical rebuttal IMO, and opens our side to the conspiracy accusation nuttery of those like Lewindowsky.
Take the high science road. Use sound bites to rain rockslides down on the warmunists on the low road. And yes, I fully credited Vaclav Klaus and his book Blue Planet in Green Chains for inspiring the epithet warmunist.
Academia has become nasty and political. Anyone who publishes anything inconvenient to the entrenched politics WILL be punished. Unsurprisingly, it is worst in things like gender studies and anthropology but it is still unacceptably venomous in climate science.
These folks aren’t interested in the truth and they won’t be swayed by inconvenient facts.
I have just become aware of a book titled “Galileo’s Middle Finger”.
Roger Pielke Jr. has written a review. He also bears scars inflicted because he had the temerity to tell the truth.
“A bridge too far” refers to biting off more than one can chew, not to being wrong. We might criticize Dr. Ball for not making his case very well. We can’t criticize him for being wrong because there’s plenty of evidence that he’s right. The fix is in and anyone who gets in the way will be smacked upside the head.
“Are Environmentalism and Global Warming Effectively Religious
SocialismTotalitarianism?” The answer is yes. Socialism is way too mild.Socialism always results in totalitarianism . Communism starts with the dictatorship of the proletariat (which is always one person or just a few). The only difference is that Communism starts out totalitarian but socialism takes a while to reach totalitarianism.
“…I must say that I think we owe [Stalin] a debt of gratitude! For the wonderful example he has given the whole world of the axiomatic truth that Communism always leads to dictatorship.” –CG Jung Speaking, pg 131
It is easy to forget that we live in a Huxleyan, Orwellian hybrid and that the complete corporatisation of government today makes the left/right paradigm of politics a quaint but misleading anachronism. Consequently, there are no real NGOs today, it is all ‘business’ and at the same time all ‘government’ IMHO.
Huxley Vs. Orwell: Infinite Distraction Or Government Oppression?
Chris Hedges’ infamous comparison of the two frightening visions of the future
cB, I agree with your observations. BUT handing ‘the enemy’ conspiratorial ammunition is not my idea of a good winning strategy.
True enough.
The pendulum of repression has swung about as far as it can go and there is a general mood developing in favor of academic freedom and free speech. The University of Chicago has a newish Academic Freedom Statement. Huffington Post In a decade or three we might be back to a more reasonable world where the truth is more important than dogma.
Dr Ball is absolutely right about the influence of people like the Rockefellers, George Soros et al. There are no “half truths”.
Soros was a member of the UN “High Level Panel on Climate Finance” set up by Ban Ki Moon after Copenhagen to generate the Green Climate Fund of $100 billion per annum from developed nations. It was co-chaired by then Norwegian PM Jens Stoltenberg, now head of NATO. Fellow members included Lord Stern, former Chief Economist at the World Bank, a UN body, and a leading figure at the time in the IdeaCarbon Consultancy, Christine Lagarde, then French Finance minister, now Head of the IMF for a second term, Obama adviser Larry Summers, another former Chief Economist at the World Bank.
Stern was also an adviser to HSBC bank and its Climate Partnership (HCP), which was described thus:
“HCP is a five-year US$100million partnership between HSBC and the Earthwatch Institute, Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute and World Wide Fund for Nature to combat the urgent threat of climate change by inspiring action by individuals, businesses and governments worldwide.”
Jan. 15, 2010, Soros was quoted by Bloomberg:
“A U.S. law to curb carbon emissions would spur billions of dollars of spending on green-energy projects in developing countries, billionaire George Soros said.“If you had the legislation in the United States you would have a market for carbon emissions and for offsetting credits provided to clean-energy projects in the developing world”, Soros said at a conference yesterday in New York. “Right now you don’t even have that. The United States is the laggard.”
“Without a cap on carbon dioxide emissions that puts a penalty on pollution, low-carbon investments won’t be profitable”, Soros, founder of $25 billion hedge-fund firm Soros Fund Management LLC, said at the Investor Summit on Climate Risk at the United Nations.
“Rich nations should use special International Monetary Fund reserves to finance efforts in developing nations to combat climate change”, Soros said last month. He announced the plan in Copenhagen, where 193 nations were meeting to negotiate a treaty to curb emissions that most scientists blame for global warming.”
Soros also happens to be a member of the Columbia University Earth Institute external advisory board, along with ex IPCC Chair and now disgraced Rajendra Pachauri. Earth Institute President Jeffrey Sachs is a long-time associate of Pachauri and Soros and is an advisor to Ban Ki Moon.
Stern and Soros appeared together at the pre-Copenhagen 2009 gathering of the Global 100 Executive Roundtable Dinner, with the theme “The Next Motor That Will Power the Global Economy.”
“The evening’s lead discussants included George Soros, Investor and Philanthropist; Lord Nicholas Stern, author of the landmark 2006 Stern Report on the economic implications of climate change; and Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz, Columbia University.”
“Lord Stern noted the current crossroads presents “a Schumpeterian growth opportunity” across the economy for dirty inefficient elements to be replaced by greener leaner infrastructure, new rail transit, and retrofits. He called for a global green stimulus package of $400 billion invested over each of the next two years.”
“Schumpeter’s theory is that the success of capitalism will lead to a form of corporatism and a fostering of values hostile to capitalism, especially among intellectuals. The intellectual and social climate needed to allow entrepreneurship to thrive will not exist in advanced capitalism; it will be replaced by socialism in some form.
There will not be a revolution, but merely a trend in parliaments to elect social democratic parties of one stripe or another. He argued that capitalism’s collapse from within will come about as democratic majorities vote for restrictions upon entrepreneurship that will burden and destroy the capitalist structure, but also emphasizes non-political, evolutionary processes in society where “liberal capitalism” was evolving into democratic socialism because of the growth of workers’ self-management, industrial democracy and regulatory institutions.”
There is no conspiracy theory, it’s real.
Check out GLOBE International:http://www.globeinternational.org/2gcls-home-page
“The 2nd GLOBE Climate Legislation Summit was held in the US Senate and World Bank in Washington DC on 27th and 28th February 2014. More than 100 legislators from over 40 countries participated in the two-day event organised under the GLOBE Climate Legislation Initiative. The Summit took place a year after the 1st GLOBE Climate Legislation Summit held at the UK Foreign Office in London in January 2013.”
“The high-level opening session was hosted by US Senator Edward Markey and included speeches by House Democrat Leader, Nancy Pelosi, US Senator Barbara Boxer (watch), House Chairperson of the National Assembly of South Africa, Cedric Frolick, UN Assistant Secretary General, Dr Robert Orr (watch), Executive Secretary of the UNFCCC, Christiana Figueres, Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Mr Achim Steiner, CEO and Chairperson of the Global Environment Facility, Dr Naoko Ishii (watch), Vice President of the World Bank, Rachel Kyte (watch) and Obama Administration Climate Envoy, Todd Stern (watch).”
Yabut … China …
If the article is so full of lies and half truths, it should be trivial for you to actually demonstrate a few.
Dr. Ball…nice summary of the key developments in the AGW meme. Some might say this whole business is much older and science has always been a target for ideological kiddnappers.
“This article is not written to pick political sides. Rather, it is an attempt to help understand the battles waged and the confusion this created for the public, the politicians, the media, and a majority of scientists.”
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Wow, I consider myself an optimist, but I’m obviously not even in your league 🙂
Mind boggling article. Hope Obama reads it.
Not unless it is on his telepromter.
Read it? I’m pretty sure he could have written it.
I used to be a leftist. Unfortunately, I have a rather good memory for persons predicting doom and naming a date that is thirty years past. There is a rather nihilist thread in Marxism, a desire to destroy the unsatifactory present. I finally realized the theory did not work.
Horridly, I realized that the insult “watermelon” is all too appropriate. With the failure of the Soviet Union, the left needed a new radiant future. Thus far, it is the Green Blob.
The anti-nuke movement was decidedly political, transparently bogus, and influential. We still have not undone ” anti-proliferation” policies Jimmy Carter imposed, and I fear it will take as long to undo Obama and Holdren.
An old commentary on the religiofication of politics is “The True Believer” by Eric Hoffer, which seems relevant to the current dispute.
True Believer is even more interesting due to the author’s story and background. I recommend reading it.
I would put myself in the same general category. The Left has good bumper stickers, but the Devil’s in the details.
Good comment Dr Ball.
However I am not sure gangrene needs a governing philosophy.
Too many idle hands produce idle minds, the vacuous mob who chant “Carbon Pollution” are beyond parody.
It seems to be mostly virtue posturing, raw emoting…
George Orwell – a Final Warning
Https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXm5hklbBsa
I’d say, Dr. Ball, that you have done more than your fair share.
That’s a powerful interview. Wish I could find the entirety of it.
It’s from a BBC Drama “George Orwell, a Life in Pictures”
What Orwell slightly missed, I think, was the business of the sex instinct used as a tool for totalitarianism, as in the Third Reich where the Virgin Mary was re-invented as National Whore (references on request).
The woman’s body was used for the purposes of ‘community’ reproduction; ‘bourgeois’ private prostitutes replaced by state brothels known as ‘lebensborn’, or ‘fountains of life’.
How far are we along this road? The name of the singer who calls herself ‘Madonna’ bears eloquent testimony to the ‘publication’ of the vagina (Orwell’s ‘self-abasement’ – he loathed porn. Ingsoc uses it as a tool of domination). Now all we need is world-wide ‘gleichshaltung’ (harmonisation) to complete the picture – slavery through pleasure, strength through joy.
AGW is our first encounter with this monster in the field of empirical science, something I never dreamed possible; unless we stop our power worship (’empowerment, community, harmony’), Hitler’s dream of the New Sparta (homosexual warriors, mass rape marriage, ‘sustainable’ farming) is inevitable.
We’re working on undoing Clinton and FDR and Wilson and…
Reagan was a breathe of fresh air but, “Two steps forward, one step back.”
(The last US president that left office with a balanced budget AND no national debt was Andrew Jackson. (If a nation is in debt, to whom do they owe it and what do they put up for collateral?))
And the last to achieve a balanced budget was Cinton. No not Hilary, the other one!
Clinton’s balanced budget was due to the dissolution of the USSR.
Clinton never submitted a balanced budget to congress. It was the Republican congress that balanced the budget, something all the liberals at the time declared was both impossible to achieve and dangerous to try.
Mark, the current Secretary of the Treasury, the incompetent Jacob Lew, created the Balanced Budget Act of 1996 or 1997 for Clinton. And Obama thinks this lawyer he put in as SECTREAS is a genius.
If you look at the sectoral financial balances chart I show in February 22, 2016 at 9:16 am, you’ll see that’s when the private sector started to suffer. As Bloomberg said at the time, thinking it was praising Clinton for balancing the budget, Wow, he haven’t seen this since 1926-1929! yeah. Right.
Clinton was a state governor. He balanced the budget twice in Arkansas, as he should have. States and local govts can’t go into a back room and issue new USD. Only the federal government can. State and local govts have to earn revenue, just like businesses and households.
That’s why you should never vote in a state governor as president, imo.
[Reagan ran huge deficits. David Stockman resigned in protest, if you are old enough to remember. In 1985, Stockman said in an interview that Reagan ran deficits to prove to the Democrats how wrong it was. Reagan had no clue, as a former state governor, just how right it was to run federal deficits when you’re running a sovereign federal government. Here’s anther account of it from 1985: http://www.nytimes.com/1985/07/11/us/moynihan-asserts-stockman-said-reagan-doubted-tax-cut-theory-friends-david.html%5D
“The last US president that left office with a balanced budget AND no national debt was Andrew Jackson.”
Which led to the first US Depression in US history (as succeeding US federal government surpluses and balanced budgets did in US history, of which there were seven in 238 years).
Businesses, households, State and Local govts must earn income to survive. They need to earn income; they can’t create the US currency.
The US federal government does not. It issues the currency.
Businesses and households must balance their budgets.
The US federal government must balance its financial sectors (government, private, foreign).
BIG DIFFERENCE. Do you understand what that difference is? Obama doesn’t.
Deficit spending does not and never has boosted economic activity.
Mark,
Absolutely 100% historically wrong.
Go to https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/.
Choose “Table 1.1—Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-): 1789–2021”
Deficit spending, after we went off the gold standard in 1933, got us out of the Great Depression, paid for WWII, created the middle class, and ushered in the greatest period of economic growth and prosperity in US history.
Look at the 1920s. Surpluses. Created the Great Depression of 1929.
Look at WWII. Govt ran deficits. Look at the Reagan boom. Deficits. Then along comes Clinton, who created govt surpluses in the last part of the 1990s. The dot com and housing bubbles delayed it, but the depression/recession hit in 2008.
When the govt is in surplus, the private sector is in deficit, TO THE PENNY. This is because the US federal government is the monopoly creator of the USD. It is a closed system. When one side goes up, the other goes down.
Search for my name on this post and read about Marriner Eccles.
Mark,
Here are Sectoral Financial Balances as a % of GDP, 1952q1 to 2010q4. The green is the foreign sector, noted here as the capital account.
http://i41.tinypic.com/30l1awm.png
Public vs. Private Balance. The automatic stabilizers (unemployment insurance, etc.) that kicked in during the financial crisis are visible in 2008.
http://i39.tinypic.com/ac8isp.png
The US government does not need to borrow its own currency.
History tells the tale. The federal government has achieved fiscal balance (even surpluses) in just seven periods since 1776, bringing in enough revenue to cover all of its spending during 1817-21, 1823-36, 1852-57, 1867-73, 1880-93, 1920-30 and 1998-2001.
We also experienced six depressions up till 1929. They began in 1819, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1893 and 1929.
The one exception to this pattern, the seventh depression, occurred in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when the dot-com and housing bubbles fueled a consumption binge that delayed the harmful effects of the Clinton surpluses until the Great Recession of 2007-09.
You can bury your head in the sand like the AGW people about CO2, or you can face facts.
As usual, you accept propaganda that agrees with your own biases as being truth.
It wasn’t deficit spending that got us out of the depression, it was FDR unwinding the majority of his regulations so that companies could create the products needed for the war that got us out of the depression
Deficit spending can not create increases in net demand, the best it can do is shift demand from one portion of the economy to another.
Mark,
If you had bothered to read the Marriner Eccles stuff I cited, even for five minutes, you would have discovered the opposite is true.
However, there is another source, which I know you won’t read, but others might be interested. “Keep From All Thoughtful Men: How U.S. Economists Won World War II” by military historian Jam Lacey (2011). He uses misfiled documents recently found in the National Archives to prove it. The three economists he refers to used the policy and economic space afforded by the abolition of the gold standard to create the great war effort. Regulations, whatever that means, had nothing to do with it.
1oldnwise4me@reagan.com is right.
old one, yes the govt was the only buyer, but the companies still had to follow govt regulations, even when selling to govt.
MRW, why should I read stuff that was disproven a generation ago?
Mark,
What “stuff?” And “disproven” by whom?
In the US, our industrial base was already destroyed by both Republican and Democratic party efforts in DC. Free trade has destroyed it. Very thoroughly.
I blame Al Gore
The bogus “scientists” (eg James Hansen), and left wing, apocalyptic lobbyists (eg Naomi Orekes) and industral profiteers (eg Maurice Strong) would not have been able to pervert the general scientific community without strong political backing and Al Gore provided this during his stint as Vice President under Bill Clinton.
The Club of Rome ran the “running out of resources” agenda for decades with only minor success but it was the political patronage from Al Gore that allowed the Global Warming/Climate Change cohort to gain traction and undermine the scientific process. And once “the science is settled” mantra was backed by the climate scientists the whole left wing, CAGW, Agenda 21 movement was able to go mainstream
A policy of trade protectionism would be a pathetic admission of inadequacy and incompetence and no matter what economic ills the US is undergoing right now they can only be made much worse, with global repercussions, by further trade barriers as it did in the 1930s with the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Act:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act
Chris, the Smoot-Hawley Act was passed in 1930 and only deepened the Depression, as you note correctly. However, it was the arrival of another Republican from Utah in 1932 and 1933, Marriner Eccles, who broke through the economic thinking in DC. His appearances before Congress and the Senate were so powerful FDR invited him to DC to make the changes he proposed. And the difference between 1930 and 1934 was that the US ditched the gold standard (domestically) that was brining the country down.
The Secret Life of Marriner Eccles to give you the flavor of the man
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/09/03/the-secret-life-of-marriner-eccles/
Roubini discusses his monumental contributions here:
http://www.economonitor.com/blog/2011/09/testimony-of-marriner-eccles-to-the-committee-on-the-investigation-of-economic-problems-in-1933/
Back in the 80’s, everyone was whining about how the Japanese were competing with us unfairly and how the Japanese would soon own the world. Then Japan became rich and their competitive advantage disappeared.
Back in the 90’s, everyone was whining about how the Taiwanese were competing with us unfairly and how the Taiwanese would soon own the world. Then Taiwan became rich and their competitive advantage disappeared.
Back in the 00’s, everyone was whining about how the Koreans were competing with us unfairly and how the Koreans would soon own the world. Then the Koreans became rich and their competitive advantage disappeared.
Now in the 2010’s …
Allowing people to buy what they want instead of what the govt wants is always the bane of leftists.
Free trade has boosted the economy, not destroyed it.
I blame Al Gore
The bogus “scientists” (eg James Hanson), and left wing, apocalyptic lobbyists (eg Naomi Orekes) and industral profiteers (eg Maurice Strong) would not have been able to pervert the general scientific community without strong political backing and Al Gore provided this during his stint as Vice President under Bill Clinton.
The Club of Rome ran the “running out of resources” agenda for decades with only minor success but it was the political patronage from Al Gore that allowed the Global Warming/Climate Change cohort to gain traction and undermine the scientific process. And once “the science is settled” mantra was backed by the climate scientists the whole left wing, CAGW, Agenda 21 movement was able to go mainstream
My pet hate – sanctimonious rich socialists and rich communists. They made their money virtuously without, of course, emitting a single molecule of CO2 from their private jets or without disadvantaging a single person anywhere on the planet but the rest of us are not even allowed to have a go because we are probably environmental vandals. Unless of course we invest through them.
Spot on. They hate the very system that gave them so much and want to tear it down for everyone else. They are also human haters. Attitudes such as theirs are no use for any society. Civilization needs to kick PC out the door, toughen up and start dealing with the destroyers within. It’s like being in a boat and watching someone actively drilling a hole in the bottom.
I blame Al Gore
The bogus “scientists” (eg James Hanson), and left wing, apocalyptic lobbyists (eg Naomi Orekes) and industral profiteers (eg Maurice Strong) would not have been able to pervert the general scientific community without strong political backing and Al Gore provided this during his stint as Vice President under Bill Clinton.
The Club of Rome ran the “running out of resources” agenda for decades with only minor success but it was the political patronage from Al Gore that allowed the Global Warming/Climate Change cohort to gain traction and undermine the scientific process. And once “the science is settled” mantra was backed by the climate scientists the whole left wing, CAGW, Agenda 21 movement was able to go mainstream.
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Wow, it looks like my post blaming Al Gore has been censured!
I don’t know what you said but the “blame” isn’t just his and goes back far further than that individual.
Now the post has turned up twice 🙁
Can the mods please delete one of them (either #comment-2150413 or #comment-2150415)
And this comment trail
It showed up 3 times on my screen…
Your Post deserve to be listed 3 times. Well said Analitik.
This author knows from personal investigation that the evidence shows that human CO2 is not causing AGW, that the hypothesis is disproved.
1. No predicted hotspot.
2. No predicted increase in H2O vapour.
3. More radiation to space instead of the predicted less.
Three central predictions failed, the theory is wrong. Believers in it are crackpots.
Ron, what measurement is used to record this: 3. More radiation to space instead of the predicted less.?
Does anyone have an answer to this?
Socialism/Communism is in a way both a political philosophy and an economic philosophy. The West in theory separates the two into Capitalism (economics) and Democracy (political). The Chinese attempted to implement Capitalism in a Communist system of government and for a while they flew high, but the natural forces of economics that make Capitalism work will also severely punish those who exert too much top-down control, and China is in slow motion collapse at this point.
That same rule holds for the West, who have likewise abandoned the “free” part of “free market” in favor high speed trading algorithms, Too-Big-to-Jail bankers, and good old third-world dictator style money printing with eight years of QE.
Face it we’ve already been taken over by the Left, they only lack the requisite “disarming of the populace” bit to complete the job.
Some of us wonder if Ayn Rand’s lover Alan Greenspan, who read and commented on Atlas Shrugged as she was writing it, did this on purpose by holding interest rates too low for too long after the dot-com bubble burst, and triggered the housing bubble that affected more Americans at a deeper level than any previous bubble since the Great Depression. I doubt his hideout is in the Rockies, however, probably offshore with everyone else. This country has been pretty much looted dry.
@ur momisugly Notanist,
Have you left yet ?
Better the enemy you know ………..
I must disagree with the premise. It is not about religion it is about drama. People love drama.
Watched a TV show last night where the hero died of radiation poisoning as a result of a weapon. It was a slow agonizing death. Over the years I have watched a majority of the adults who raised me die as a result of radiation poisoning administered by medical professionals in a failed effort to treat cancer. It was a slow agonizing death.
Tomorrow we are going to a funeral for my mother-in-law. Radiation was not involved, but it was a slow agonizing death.
We love drama because it diverts us from real problems.
I am an engineer who is very good at solving problems. Watching people being overcome by age is not one of those problems I can solve. Working in the power industry, it was my honor to make electricity to help old people be more comfortable.
The first thing I would do to reduce AGW is ban jet travel for those worried about AGW. Obama would lose Air Force one to go play golf with Tiger Woods. Obama lives in a city that needs volunteers to pick up litter if he needs some exercise.
If religion and environmentalism have anything in common it the hypocrisy of the drama majors who ignore the tenets of faith.
There is a lot of truth in the article, though I tend to think people are as much tied up in drama and seemingly just causes as they are in the politics of socialism.
A major fault with the ‘socialism argument’ is that the word ‘socialism’ can mean whatever the hell the person/writer/Hitler/Stalin wants it to.
Also, re the following statement;
I think that actually showing that CO2 is NOT causing AGW may be even harder than pretending one has proved that it does.
The theory is not just that “it does”. It is a specific mechanism: CO2 warming causes evaporation, and the excess H2O provides a heating boost in the form of a tropospheric hotspot. The extra water isn’t there and the hotspot isn’t there. The theory is wrong and proven wrong. Your final statement:
“I think that actually showing that CO2 is NOT causing AGW may be even harder than pretending one has proved that it does.”
in this case makes no sense. Consider this analogy: Someone calls the police and says “The crooks are stealing my piano with a big crane reaching in from the street!” The police call and there is no crane in the street and the piano is still there (no warming for 18 years). But the piano owner says “So what? Proving that no one is stealing my piano may be even harder than proving that they are.”
And he’s right. Maybe someone is forging a false ownership document and they plan to send the repossessors to get the piano tomorrow. Maybe someone is digging a tunnel in from the house next door. Who knows? Of course it is harder to prove that something isn’t happening at all. Most of the alarmism around (on all issues) relies on this simple but trivial and unimportant truth.
The real question is, what do we have good reasons to believe, as opposed to what we conclusively show or prove. And the theory as to how the CO2 is causing AGW has been shown to be wrong. That there might be some other unknown way that it might happen is a trivial truth, but not one that sensible people will waste time on. Let someone who believes it find the unknown mechanism, then we can check it out. Until then, let’s stop ruining our own wealth, and more importantly ruining the wealth prospects of the poor, with the CAGW nonsense.
Agree with your text, Ron: a true theory cannot have false consequences. However, a false theory may have true consequences. The latter is the source of confirmation bias by which we can uphold false ideas for a long time. His piano being stolen (false) implies that he is worried (correct). If we consult a logical truth table, we may discover that the situation is even more funny: a false theory correctly implies everything, true or false. AGW implies that we will get less and more snow. Regarding your final sentence, it is painful for a Dutch Labour-voter like me, to see how a former Greenpeace activist infiltrated that party and sold out in negotiations a considerable part of our welfare state in order to dump billions in the North Sea for building windmills. Today, nice youngsters are posting in green jackets before my local shop, selling like Jehovah Witnesses their CO2 gospel. In disgust I can only tell them that they are involved in a swindle.
Ron – what you forget is the observation that the piano is moving. Someone must explain what is causing the piano to move. The climate does change, and the pause is soon to be no more. What is your explanation?
That the El Nino temporarily warmed the planet, as soon as the coming La Nina gets established, the pause will not only return but will lengthen dramatically.
showing that CO2 is NOT causing AGW may be even harder than pretending one has proved that it does.
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Freud said that your problems are due to unresolved issues with your parents. Prove he was wrong.
The Null Hypothesis says Freud is wrong because even orphans have problems. Climate Science says Freud is right because he was able to find some people with problems that had unresolved issues with their parents. Therein lies the difference between science and pseudoscience.
Science looks for the exceptions. Climate Science homogenizes the exceptions.
Beautiful.
+10
ferdberple,
Spot on. He makes a prediction:
…the pause is soon to be no more.
Hubris. But of course, anything can happen.
However, the fact that almost 20 years has passed without any global warming demolishes the CO2=AGW conjecture. That parrot is dead.
I was in the Ukraine in 2002. I talked to several people, young and old. I found out several things. People in western Ukraine (who speak predominately Ukrainian) and people in eastern Ukraine (who speak predominately Russian) don’t really like each other. And the people who lived under communism hated Russia while the people who didn’t live under communism and spoke Russian loved Russia.
I concluded from that trip that the only people who really like communism and socialism are those who have never experienced it. And remember: the leaders and other influential people don’t experience socialism or communism. What people who promote socialism and communism don’t realize is that people are corrupt, and politics and free money attracts corruption like ants to sugar. The less accountability and more money, the more corruption there is. It looks good on paper, but the paper your ideas are written on assume people are incorruptible. I learned a long time ago that you can be smart but not wise and you can be stupid and very wise.
(By the way, I’ve always thought socialism was an economic system and communism is an oppressive government with a socialism economy.)
Is this the long way of saying keep your guns well oiled, cus you never know when you might need them.
the only people who really like communism and socialism are those who have never experienced it
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the grass is always greener until you actually get to the next field.
Liberal Professors & Media
A major portion of climate science is done by university researchers on government grants. And most university professors self select as Democrats/left. Ergo all who do not agree are those benighted on the right. e.g. 63% liberal-far left vs 12% conservative to far right.
Then only 7% of Journalists are Republicans compared to 28% Democrat.
Food for thought for everyone. The text in the following link describes our time and politics nicely. A bit OT though, but I recommend everyone to read that anyway.
http://thoughtprison-pc.blogspot.fi/
How about an excerpt or two, I might actually read it then.
Here you are.
“When a thoroughly PC intellectual senses that he is being backed-into-a corner where he will need to engage in a properly rational discourse, or senses that a discussion is spreading into other fields and making connections – then ( according to the rules of PC ) anything is permitted if it enables escape from this emergency situation.
Even violence. PC-sanctioned Leftist or privileged – “minority”gangs are allowed, indeed tacitly encouraged, to shout-down, intimitate, silence, assault, and if necessary kill non-PC speakers or writers or organizers – to ensure that any dangerous process of sustained and connected interchange cannot get started, cannot be imposed on the public discourse.”
Some interesting chapters also.
“Imaginary enemies preferred”
“Political correctness, the intellectual elite and the mass media”
“Disinterested altruism and moral superiority”
“Political Correctness is purposefully subversive of the Good”
And so on.
Ugh! Intended audience likely not to be found here.
“Epigraph
This book is intended for normal, mainstream, secular, modern, disaffected and alienated intellectuals; those who are complicit in political correctness (as are all intellectuals) but who are (when not distracted, drugged or dreaming) in a state of despair.
This book will, I hope, help such people to understand their condition, and present the likely choices. It will not help them to save their world (too late for that) but it may help them to save their souls.”
More like socialist religionism.
Global warming is a Socialists dream. The problem can never be solved, only contained; a totalitarian regime is required, but can never be removed because the crisis is permanent and can never be disproven; and the only reward the common man will ever receive is mere survival. What tyrant wouldn’t salivate a the prospect?
You’re just trying to deepen my depression, right ?
Good luck with that.
CO2 is so attractive, because it is the ring of power. You can rule life with the control of CO2.