Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The National Black Chamber of Commerce has been upsetting climate advocates, by insisting that President Obama’s clean energy plan would hurt the US economy. The response from climate advocates has been nothing short of vitriolic.
For example;
How the polluter-backed National Black Chamber misleads minorities
By Martin Luther King III December 29
Martin Luther King III is co-founder of the Drum Major Institute.
For months now, the National Black Chamber of Commerce has been warning communities of color that the Obama administration’s Clean Power Plan will cause job losses and generate higher energy bills.
In fact, the opposite is true.
The Environmental Protection Agency’s first-ever limits on carbon pollution from power plants will create clean- energy jobs, improve public health, bring greater reliability to our electric power grid, bolster our national security, demonstrate the United States’ resolve to combat climate change and maybe even reduce our utility bills.
By limiting the emission of carbon dioxide, the Clean Power Plan also will slow a main driver of extreme weather, which has inflicted widespread economic damage and human misery, including death.
That’s what the National Black Chamber of Commerce neglects to mention.
Unfortunately for Martin Luther King III’s dubious claim about energy bills, it was President Obama himself who explained that his plan will cause energy bills to skyrocket.
So what has the NBCC done, to provoke such a response? The following is an excerpt from the NBCC report on the 15th December;
3. Congress Alert: Currently, Congress is negotiating the omnibus spending legislation. One concerning provision that they are reportedly trying to slip into this trillion dollars spending package is a provision that would increase funding for the Green Climate Fund by $3B. This money uses Americans’ tax dollars to subsidize projects in foreign countries under the guise of climate change. Please let your congressperson and senators know this is unacceptable before they finish this really pork filled package.
Read more: http://www.nationalbcc.org/news/progress-reports/2561-progress-report-december-15-2015
Back in September the NBCC held a seminar, titled How Climate Policy Hurts the Poor
Regardless of one’s personal opinions on the effect man-made greenhouse emissions have on the climate, the Obama Administration’s proposed Clean Power Plan will exact a high price on Americans and have a negligible impact – if any – on global temperatures. NERA’s economic consultants estimate a temperature reduction of only 0.018 degrees C in 2100 at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars. In August, the Environmental Protection Agency announced its final rule to achieve a 32% reduction in “carbon pollution” from the electric power production sector by 2030.
Experts estimate a significant impact on the cost of electricity to all consumers and businesses. President Obama has kept his promise that “electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket” as a result of his policy. The poorest and most vulnerable members of society will be disproportionately harmed by these impending spikes in energy prices. Europe is already experiencing “energy poverty” where families and the elderly are being forced to choose between eating and heating. Tens of thousands did in the United Kingdom in several recent winters because they are unable to pay their electricity bills and still buy enough food. Will this happen in America next?
The world’s poorest – the 1.3 billion in developing countries who depend on wood and dried dung as primary cooking and heating fuels, smoke from which kills 4 million and temporarily debilitates hundreds of millions every year – will be condemned to more generations of poverty and its deadly consequences. Instead, developing countries desperately need to replace such primitive and dirty fuels with electricity, the most affordable sources of which are fossil fuels.
Plenty more where that came from – the NBCC website is well worth a read.
I admire that the NBCC has chosen to steadfastly and consistently defend the interests of its members, in the face of what must be substantial political pressure to join President Obama’s climate crusade.
Trillions of tax dollars will be spent on fighting climate change and the black community won’t benefit one iota. This is the most regressive tax imaginable, and the tax payer funding will direct resources away from the inner cities. Schools won’t be built, hospitals won’t be built, social services won’t be funded, teachers won’t be hired, everyone will pay higher energy prices, housing projects won’t be built, police won’t be hired, scholarships won’t be funded, jobs won’t be created, potholes won’t be filled, vacant buildings won’t be rebuilt etc etc etc. Nothing the government can do will alter the trend in CO2, this is a complete looting of the tax payers to enrich corrupt lawyers, corrupt professors, corrupt colleges and corrupt environmental groups. Everyone will pay the price of a less fiscally sound, economically uncompetitive America, and more expensive cost of living, especially black America.
Didn’t Obama serve a second term?
I have found a lot of sites are no longer updating their records….since it doesn’t look so good.
Best to leave the second term off.
From the Fed St Louis:
Obama start of admin: 63.5 labor participation rate Blacks
Obama now: 61.5 labor participation rate Blacks
Reagan start of admin: 61.0 labor participation rate Blacks
Reagan at end of admin: 64.4
Its even worse for the under 30 Blacks. The trades jobs that everyone used to take to learn a skill, learn a business or save for college are gone: roofing, plumbing, concrete, painting, HVAC, etc.
Now everyone hangs out.
It’s pretty disingenuous to show only half the data.
Looks like there was a reason he didn’t show the second term. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/08/04/black-unemployment-falls-below-10-still-twice-the-rate-for-whites/
Please stick to the article, not dubious overall unemployment statistics. There are real layoffs happening though, such as in coal mining and coal fired power plants. Those are well paid jobs, and are very hard to replace.
The obvious benefit with renewable energy is that it employs more people per unit output than fossil fuels or nuclear. Whilst more employment is to be welcomed it is difficult to maintain the fiction that renewables are more efficient than fossil fuels but it does indicate one reason why governments like this new way to redistribute wealth in a practical way.
The reduction in social security and welfare payments frees up cash for other things while energy consumers subsidize employment through higher energy bills. Yes, you will already have noted that taxes don’t go down even as energy bills go up. Your government working for you.
Well. . . .you can’t exactly compare the ferocity of the recessions. Bush’s 2008 Great Recession was a lot more severe. Be that as it may, Reagan did something else that accounted for the growth. As David Stockman admitted in a fairly recent article I don’t feel like scouring my hard drive for right now, Reagan purposefully increased the deficit significantly in order to embarrass the Democrats and teach them a lesson. (That he did it was one of the bones of contention between Stockman and Reagan that resulted in Reagan firing Stockman.) If you look at the White House Historical Tables, Table 1.1, during Reagan’s reign here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/, you’ll see that Reagan doubled then tripled what the annual deficits had been during Carter’s time. That govt spending increased growth in the economy, although the deregulation of certain industries did not increase the wages of the middle class supplying the work over time as other historical records show. It did temporarily. But the real gains were
Nonetheless, as the article cited in the tinyurl.com link above says, “the results were jaw-dropping.”
[Just so you know, the 21.5% “Prime interest rate” was the result of new Fed Chair Paul Volker not understanding Federal Reserve (central bank) operations and imposing his misunderstanding on the Fed–he restricted daily Fed reserve actions–and that was after he stupidly moved the Federal Reserve headquarters from the nation’s capital to NYC. Another story.]
Okay. I looked up the Stockman quote. Easier than you have arrows aiming at my head: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1842&dat=19850729&id=fWceAAAAIBAJ&sjid=v8gEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3359,5944559&hl=en
It was “fairly recent.” My finding the Stockman admission was. The article is from 1985. Sorry for that.
Lord Almighty. Should read: “It wasn’t fairly recent.”
The only problem with that scenario is that deficit spending has NEVER improved economic performance.
Really? 7 years into the term of American’s first black president and blacks are rioting in the streets in multiple cities, and the “block lives matter” movement is just picking up steam? You really want to look behind that curtain? The important message of that graphic is that Reagan’s policies rapidly cut the black unemployment from 22% to 15% in 2 years. Remember the economic, geopolitical and social hell he was left by 4 years of Jimmy Carter? He didn’t make excuses, he focused on the major issues at hand and got the economy rolling again and returned America to greatness. Greatness that translated into the success that Bill Clinton claims were his. Bill Clinton inherited peace and prosperity, tried to screw it up in his first 2 years, then the Republicans forced him to sign the Contract with America, cut taxes, impose supply side economic policies like the Telecom Deregulation Bill that unleashed the free market on the internet, and the rest was history. Black unemployment eventually fell to 12%, but as noted before the labor force participation rate was much higher under Reagan, meaning that the unemployment rate for Blacks was stubbornly high under Reagan because so many more blacks had hope of a brighter future and were joining the workforce, meaning that even though unemployment was high, more blacks actually had jobs. The reverse is true for Obama. As noted below, the black participation rate is awful, meaning that blacks are giving up and dropping out of the labor force. This has the perverse consequence of lowering unemployment for blacks. Fewer blacks have jobs, they have lost all hope, and the unemployment rate drops when they give up. That is the unfortunate reality of the situation.
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http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_303.htm
Sounds like you are an unemployment alarmist. When unemployment goes up, it’s bad. When unemployment goes down, it’s bad. But only while Obama is president!
Sounds like you, Bill 2, need a little remedial help with reading comprehension.
Unemployment hasn’t been going down. All that’s happened is that a lot of unemployed people are now counted as retired.
Just curious:
Has the National White Chamber of Commerce weighed in on this?
I didn’t even know there was a National Black Chamber of Commerce, but they obviously have their act together. Bravo.
Oh, absolutely! Back in 2009, Senator Babara Boxer attempted to pull the race card on NBCC CEO Harry Alford over the global warming issue, and he turned the tables on her in an epic way, with the particularly fiery bit starting at the 2:10 part of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc6CgzpTu4k
Thanks for sharing that, Mr. Cook. Mr. Alford was splendid. In a fair hearing, he would have been able to get his questions exposing Sen. Boxer’s chicanery answered. What a blatant display of condescending mischaracterization! She is really pretty low class. A professional examiner would have treated Mr. Alford with respect and civility. She tried to destroy his case, but succeeded only in convincing the audience that she is a common bully with nothing of substance to say.
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Re: the existence of the NBCC being more of a hindrance than a help to judging one another “not by the color of {one’s} skin, but by the content of {one’s} character” (Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.)
I see the point of those who say it is time for such organizations to go, but, I think that, as desirable as that goal is, it is to ignore the reality of what needs to be done, for now, to counter the power of the N.A.A.C.P. (and like groups). NBCC is a necessary bridge to true equality. That is, for some reason, many black people still will only do what other black people tell them to do. This is simply the way it is. Thus, to get a large percentage of the black community to leave their miserable-but-familiar island in the middle of the swamp of l1es about human CO2 emissions to go live in the relative prosperity of the realm of economic and science truth, you need a bridge with a black person beckoning at the end of it, saying, “You have been lied to. Come over here! This is how you will make jobs happen!”
Johnwho: Yes, I take it that this:
was not very inclusive. Isn’t that something we are all encouraged to promote? I honestly don’t get this…honestly.
Good grief.. Can white Americans stop with the racist taunts? Why ruin a good BB with trash talk? Its disgusting.
Like my Daddy said, the majority of people are as noble as barnyard animals, they can’t help themselves, it’s their nature, they have to set up a pecking order in order to justify their superior view of themselves.
I don’t believe you, sir.
What racist taunt?
What is it about some blacks, that any criticism of a black organization is automatically labeled racist?
Ouch, that’s a kick in the nuts to Obama…and well deserved I might add !!
Liberals have a plan to alleviate po’ folks’ suffering from proposed high energy costs – subsidies! Low-income consumers get free electricity, rate payers forced to take up the slack. More redistribution. Wait, how’s Obamacare working out for po’ folk?
That is exactly what our leaders are doing in Ontario, now that electricity prices have started to seriously climb. We’ve started seeing advertising for the subsidy program. As usual, the “middle class” (i.e. working people) will get the privilege of funding the subsidies through their taxes, in addition to paying inflated energy prices. Double the trouble.
Much of what I read in our local mullet wrapper about AGW is demonstrated by MLKIII. Gratuitous assertion after gratuitous assertion.
Somebody PLEASE tell “the press” that CO2 is not a “pollutant” that causes asthma? Before our scientific illiteracy is the laughingstock of the WORLD?
I wish you were right about being a laughingstock. Truth is, most of the world is buying in, because it is designed to transfer political power and wealth from the wealthy West to everyone else.
This video clip highlights the insane economics and certain to fail Government Policies.
https://youtu.be/QowL2BiGK7o?t=18m14s
Could this be a picture of one of the backyards of one of the climate wailers? Hedging his bets.
The weather station photo in the video has one mistake I can see, even though it’s not towards the skeptic cause…The burn barrel in the photo is sitting atop a wooden pallet. Who in their right mind would fire up a burn barrel on top of a wooden pallet?
@ Dalquist , I don’t think it is a burning barrel looks more like a smoker but you are right but I have to add, I have no doubt that whoever is using the smoker probably checks the weather station about the same amount of times per year (as in once or twice.).
Sorry sir I mangled your name apologies!
@asybot… Yes, you may be correct. Smoker is more likely with the vent.
As ashes build up in the bottom of a burn barrel, the heat from the burning refuse at the higher portions of barrel does not reach the bottom. (- from experience) – yes I still illegally use a burn barrel, and it’s not on top of a wooden pallet.
The Nine Most Terrifying Words
https://youtu.be/xhYJS80MgYA
also will slow a main driver of extreme weather
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First they declare the LIA ended in 1850….and the same increase after that is man made
Then they call it global warming…..when that doesn’t happen they call it climate change….when no one bought that…they tried to call it climate disruption..now we can control extreme weather
They say that CO2 drives weather, El Nino, the Jet stream, etc…..all without changing the temperature
…and Obama is our first “black” president…..which must mean the black gene is dominate
…and not one word about Obama’s war on blacks
Does the USA have a National White Chamber of Commerce?
Or would that be raclst?
Ralph
LOL…Do you really have to ask ??
John Knight
Yeah, I’m proud that white people went to the moon. I’m proud the U.S. did it. I’m proud that there are now black astronauts going in to space. I’m proud the U.S. elected a black president, that all the people, and a majority of whites, elected him… Even though I don’t like his style much at all. Why should we deny the great contributions of men and women based on race? Or be ashamed of them simply because you’ve been mind trained to think so. Black people are damned sure proud of their Tuskeegee pilots, who flew Mustang Fighter planes during WW2 and didn’t allow even one of their escorted bombers to be shot down. And of the all Japanese American Army Company during WW2 who became the most highly decorated unit during the whole war… After themselves being submitted to internment camps right after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. They celebrate It. Why cannot white people also appreciate their contributions.
What you are making your point with is based upon the past victimization of black people and why so many still rely on being a victim and so many others keep so many of them victims. Theres a lot of power and money involved in keeping people in victimhood and a lot of people and organizations there to collect that money and use and abuse that power. I think that pride is the answer to many problems, and when you say we should not feel proud, you are stuck in the vicious cycle it has become. A victim as well.
Mods, can you please post my jan 2 at 3:30 below John Knights at 2:37. Thank you. Happy new years
[Sorry, no can do. WordPress controls that. Happy New Year. ~mod]
Mods, sorry and my address was to John Knight.
A great many of the organizations specifically named as addressing Black concerns – like the United Negro College Fund – had been formed during eras in which the non-Black equivalent organizations had been de facto exclusionary with regard to Negro membership and the welfare of Blacks in particular.
The African Methodist Episcopal (A.M.E.) Church is predominantly Black (it had been the world’s first independent Protestant denomination founded by Blacks, its first bishop consecrated in 1816). Would you wonder why there’s not an equivalent European Methodist Episcopal Church?
It’s simply that Negroes in these United States have had to “roll their own” in a great many ways. The fact that they’ve done so – under great duress – is a matter of pardonable pride for those American Blacks fully literate in their own ethnic history.
…does that include the Miss Black America Pageant
A great many of the organizations specifically named as addressing Black concerns –
But not this one……The National Black Chamber of Commerce was formed in 1993
Observes Latitude:
Good pick-up. The inaugural year of Bubba’s initial administration, at which time its founding members felt the need for an organization “…dedicated to economically empowering and sustaining African American communities through entrepreneurship and capitalistic activity within the United States and via interaction with the Black Diaspora.”
So why would the need for such a “separate but equal” organization be felt among Black entrepreneurs and small businessmen so shortly after the electoral victory of the man who was claimed at the time to have been America’s first Black president, hm?
That might be so, but that does not mean that it is the right way to address the issue, or obtain equality.
“separate but equal” discrimination…..
A cynical person might say pay backs.
I’m sorry, this is wrong…..you can’t eliminate discrimination and still have selective discrimination.
Where is the “pride” in separating yourself…claiming discrimination..and at the same time discriminating?
You realize we are talking about a group of people that have had preferential treatment for jobs, housing, education, health care, welfare, etc for 1/2 a century.
Preferential treatment may sound harsh…..but that is exactly what affirmative action is.
I don’t think that “ANY” group of people advancing their cause is any reason to complain. And from what I can see of the NBCC, they are not using racial tactics like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton’s arm twisting. I don’t see a need for a National Red Neck Chamber of Commerce (NRNCC), as most of the majority of our population here in the U.S. is represented by the USCC. But I wouldn’t disagree to one forming if red necks find that their interests aren’t being represented well and need to connect better with commercial enterprises for better business. ; )
Tucci78,
“The fact that they’ve done so – under great duress – is a matter of pardonable pride for those American Blacks fully literate in their own ethnic history.”
Taking pride based on the race of the people who did (or do) good things, is racism to me. Admiration, regardless of race, is not . . If I said I was proud because “white” people went to the moon, wouldn’t that be racist to your mind?
Writes JohnKnight in response to the observation that Blacks may take justifiable pride in overcoming adversity – particularly racist bigotry – spouts:
It certainly takes a peculiar kind of adoption of the Social Justice Warrior mentality and methodology to slag any group of human beings for looking back upon the good works of their ethnic, national, religious, gender, and/or occupational predecessors as chauvinism.
I wonder if JohnKnight is the alumnus of any high school or college and gets even a little bit chuffed whenever his alma mater is praised, or when a sports team representing his old school distinguishes itself?
Or perhaps JohnKnight is a sort of extreme-form Objectivist, and takes it upon himself to condemn all forms of identification with any collective.
This notwithstanding, it is perhaps inherent in human nature itself for specimens of H. sapiens o identify the benefits of cooperation and cohesion as common causes are perceived, and opposition – natural or purposeful – is found to be most effectively overcome by concerted planning and action.
Because the Knights of Columbus excludes both non-Catholics and women from full membership, and are therefore both sectarian and sexist, should they be condemned simply for exercising the freedom to associate and not associate as they choose? Or does JohnKnight rail against them for excluding Muslims, Mormons, and Methodists as well as members of NARAL?
If we take the membership of a voluntary association like the National Black Chamber of Commerce at their word, the organization was formed and continues to operate because it meets a need perceived by its founders and current members, that need being one which the “customers” of the NBCC did not (and still do not) consider adequately served by other groups and agencies. Are these men and women not free to associate – unconstrained, electively, to their perceived benefit – in the non-violent pursuit of goals which serve their aggregate needs, and take pride in their accomplishments?
Hm. Now I’ve gotta wonder what JohnKnight might think about the Sons of Italy….
Tucci78,
“It certainly takes a peculiar kind of adoption of the Social Justice Warrior mentality and methodology to slag any group of human beings for looking back upon the good works of their ethnic, national, religious, gender, and/or occupational predecessors as chauvinism.”
Yeah, the peculiar kind of adoption we generally call rejection, it seems to me.
Answer the question, please;
“If I said I was proud because “white” people went to the moon, wouldn’t that be racist to your mind?”
Bent upon beating his figurative head against an allegorical cinderblock wall, JohnKnight keeps up the “racism-is-bad” Social Justice Warrior line of egregious stupidity with:
Yep. Not that being “racist” in such a sense – i.e., non-governmental partisanship favoring one’s own ethnicity, religion, gender, height, weight, age, region of residence, schools attended, style of dress, taste in alcoholic beverages, presence or absence of the penile prepuce, preference in soft drinks, or level of cutaneous melanin – in any way necessarily violates the unalienable individual, human, and civil rights of anyone adhering to dissimilar loyalties.
It might also be noted that it was predominantly STEM guys who engineered the program that sent men to the moon, with the Liberal Arts puckers disproportionately thin on the ground. But that’s “racist,” too, according to JohnKnight‘s low-wattage lights.
How is the National Black Chamber of Commerce supposed to be a governmental agency, with its edicts enforced without prejudice by armed goons operating under the ostensible color of law?
Obtuse, much, JohnKnight?
Tucci78,
I asked~ If I said I was proud because “white” people went to the moon, wouldn’t that be racist to your mind?
You answered, “Yep”.
That ends our debate, as far as I’m concerned. i oppose racism, and you are selectively opposed, depending on the race, apparently. . That’s the “social justice warrior” way, as far as I have ever been able to determine.
Idiotically contending that our exchange has been a “debate,” the JohnKnight critter huffs self-righteously:
Not much effort put into the “determine” process by this kneejerk noisemaker. In response to much explanation on how it is simply human nature to develop and express partisanship (or, as was heard bilaterally during Lady Godiva’s sidesaddle ride through the streets of Coventry, “Hooray for our side!”) which is no threat to society as long as it finds no expression in the private citizen’s treatment by the tax-feeding “Malevolent Jobholder” government thug, this specimen is determined to condemn private preference as if it were public policy.
This kind of bloody stupidity is how the concept of civil rights – which pertains exclusively to the rights of the private citizen in his relations with the goons of civil government – has been destructively employed by Social Justice Warriors and other leftards to perfume their attacks upon the unalienable individual human right to freedom of association.
If this JohnKnight hasn’t picked this up by now, he’s – literally – an idiot and beyond all possibility of education. If he has and is continuing on this line of obtuse obduracy in pure pretense, he’s a liar. In either case, to hell with him.
Yeah, I’m proud that white people went to the moon. I’m proud the U.S. did it. I’m proud that there are now black astronauts going in to space. I’m proud the U.S. elected a black president, that all the people, and a majority of whites, elected him… Even though I don’t like his style much at all. Why should we deny the great contributions of men and women based on race? Or be ashamed of them simply because you’ve been mind trained to think so. Black people are damned sure proud of their Tuskeegee pilots, who flew Mustang Fighter planes during WW2 and didn’t allow even one of their escorted bombers to be shot down. And of the all Japanese American Army Company during WW2 who became the most highly decorated unit during the whole war… After themselves being submitted to internment camps right after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. They celebrate It. Why cannot white people also appreciate their contributions.
What you are making your point with is based upon the past victimization of black people and why so many still rely on being a victim and so many others keep so many of them victims. Theres a lot of power and money involved in keeping people in victimhood and a lot of people and organizations there to collect that money and use and abuse that power. I think that pride is the answer to many problems, and when you say we should not feel proud, you are stuck in the vicious cycle it has become. A victim as well.
Dahlquist,
“What you are making your point with is based upon the past victimization of black people and why so many still rely on being a victim and so many others keep so many of them victims.”
My point was about pride based on the race. of someone who does good things. I am not proud that “white” people went to the moon, or that “black” people go into space now. I just don’t see the race of those people as significant to those accomplishments.
PS~
Consider please; A “black” person is told they should feel pride that Mr, Obama got elected President . . yet, it seems virtually certain to me that he would not have been elected to President if he were “white” (which he is of course, just as much as he is “black”).
Pride in something one had some part in bringing about makes sense to me, but not things they merely are associated with in some superficial way, like race or sex or nationality etc.
I should know better. But my 2¢ is a question:
“At what point should the country accept the fact that it has done enough for any particular group?”
IMHO the country (federal gov’t) should do nothing financial for any group of people. Those who can show harm have recourse. But any large group ends up being on a Bell curve: some are outstanding, some are worthless or worse, but the majority are in the middle. As a group they haven’t really been hurt; not the ones around today, anyway. (The President hasn’t a drop of slave blood in him. He just looks AA. But that was enough to give a Communist preferential treatment).
So why should innocent people be taxed, and have their money given to someone else? Is that fair? <—[THAT is really my question!]
Any subset of the population will take free stuff (the FSA). But they’re being paid to not work. They’re not being paid much. But it’s enough to discourage lots of them from starting at a minimum wage job, getting educated, and working up to something better; just like their ancestors did. And ours. Being self-sufficient is great for any group. That is where real pride comes from, not from political action.
I can see this same problem happening now with the current flood of Syrians and other Middle Eastern immigrants. They are immediately funneled into the arms of the federal government and put on the dole, where they get subsidized housing, food stamps, EBT cash cards that are automatically topped up every month, and many other freebies. That makes them very different from past immigrants. Trouble is bound to follow, because paying folks to not work is what’s causing the current round of racial strife.
The new immigrants will be the next “victims”. Mostly young, male, jobless, and angry. Watch out. They’ll be cannon fodder for militant mosques.
dbstealeyposts:
I’m of much the same opinion. Whenever politicians accord special treatment either to favor or impair any private person or group of private persons to the advantage or detriment of others, the “social contract” must be considered VIOLATED, and the contention that there’s either lawfulness or legitimacy about the relationship between government and the governed is null and void.
We have to constantly keep in mind yet another question: what is the single arguable reason for suffering government to live?
It ain’t forcible “redistribution of wealth;” we have freelance criminals to handle that role.
Tucci78,
I have no interest in what to me are the wild imaginings of an apparent egomaniac who keeps imputing thoughts and motivations to me that I never indicted in any way are mine. My comment and question were in regard to the notion of pride being taken because of the race of those who do good, and that is the only “debate” that has occurred between us, as far as I’m concerned. All that crap you flung my way is just you talking to you . .
Frabjous idiot JohnKnight can’t refrain from proving is obdurate ineducability, bleating:
When there are no lucidly reasoned “thoughts” in your posturings, and your “motivations” must be inferred – and inferred to be purely malignant, vicious, and violative of your fellow human beings’ rights to their own lives, liberties, and property – how the hell else should you be treated? Abscesses are drained when diagnostic signs make clear the indication for same.
You consider preference and partisanship on the part of the private person – thinking, speaking, and acting purely in his capacity as a private citizen to be “racism,” and refuse to recognize the plain fact that not only is such personal preference without necessarily adverse effect upon social comity and good civil order but it is impossible to suppress, and anyone condemning same is a friggin’ idiot seeking to impose his Social Justice Warrior cloud-cuckooland fantasies upon reality.
At the very least, this JohnKnight cement-head should expect nothing but contempt from any conscientiously honest, reasoning person. Why the hell isn’t this dork putting his idiot effort into campaigning for a statute dictating that π is henceforth equal to 3.0000?
pfft
One aspect I do wish to comment on;
“You consider preference and partisanship on the part of the private person – thinking, speaking, and acting purely in his capacity as a private citizen to be “racism, …”
Yes, if it’s based on pride in one’s race, as I see these matters. That’s what racism means to me, essentially. I made no comments about anything beyond that, and you seemed to eventually agree in essence. All the rest is just stuff you dreamed up it seems to me. I frequently warn about social justice warriors on this site, I just expressed my own views, and begrudge no one theirs.
Sorry if my views are unacceptable to you, but I feel I’,m entitled to them.
Ah, JohnKnight. What more needs to be said?>
What I feel needs to be said is;
Readers, study what this person did here, carefully, I suggest.
Somewhat my point when I mentioned it above.
A White Chamber of Commerce? Maybe not, but a Pinko EPA – most definitely.
Oh…and for the avoidance of doubt, if there ever were a White Chamber of Commerce, I would be ashamed for its existence.
Apart from the mention in the NBCC’s annual progress report (above), has there been anything more from the Chamber in the way of documentation and citations of the sources supporting their assertions on this issue?
Access to a transcript of that September 21 seminar would be welcome.
Oh look, a troll.
Why does every point of view need “documentation and citations” before it is considered a legitimate point of view. Or is it only points of view you disagree with which require such “proof”?
You want “documentation and citations”, you can research it yourself. Nobody has to look it up for you.
WHAT? Do I Look Like Your Librarian? I Am Not Your Librarian.
Look it up yourself. You Know What, I Will Tell You What. WUWT is a great source for straight up info on the topic. Check it out, read it, think about it.
Try to understand the issues as they are instead of another mindless demand for “references” and “citations”.
Perhaps you have been told what to think for so long you have forgotten how to think. Your call for “citations” is just a plea for someone else to do your thinking for you.
How nice. How very progressive of you.
TonyL … that was uncalled for. His other comments on this thread show that Tucci78 is no troll.
Sorry, but there was no Reply link under teapartygeezer’s comment.
Tucci78 is most certainly a troll, and of the particular variety that thinks big words make them intelligent. JohnKnight is absolutely correct. People want to be considered separately. Don’t be a fool and deny it. Humans cry that they want equality, but apparently folks really want their own “race” to be recognized. That is the definition of racism. We shout for unity while at the same time draw the dividing lines.
Lines, lines, everywhere a line
Do this, don’t do that, can’t you see the lines?
Yet another abscess in need of the knife is Christopher Paino, who invites the brickbats with:
Is there supposed to be some sense in that roil? Nah! The individual human being develops preferences in utero, if observations of infant behavior are to be received as reflective of factual reality, and these preferential categorizations imbue thought and emotion more and more pervasively as mental development proceeds. The human mind’s response to the world around him tends reliably to be one of generalization from which more discriminate classifications are extracted, and thence the tendency on the part of the individual to identify himself with particular others in the great welter of entities apprehensible to his senses.
Ah, but I’m using “big words” in the address of complex concepts, and this makes the dense knob of concrete aggregate at the rostral end of Christopher Paino‘s spinal column to throb with anguish, doesn’t it?
This whole “political correctness” fixation on “racism” is a mechanism whereby psychotic thought-blocking is deliberately induced to produce bloated idiots like JohnKnight and this Christopher Paino dimwit, thereafter to be inflicted on reasoning human beings in fora like this one.
Hardly “trolls.” More like Clostridium perfringens.
http://www.nationalbcc.org/news/latest-news/2426-epa-rule-impoverishes-minorities
The NBCC commissioned a study, released June 11, 2015 that I assume resulted in their assertions. It can be downloaded at the bottom of the above web page.
Writes Aphan:
Oh dear me, Reagan was an excellent president and now we know that the poor man was suffering from a cruel illness, if you look at Obama he looks I good health, but why has he become so radicalised on the religion of global warming, man made of course, Is it that the water around Washington has become tainted with something that has caused it, makes me wonder.
BO’s issues were well developed before he left Chicago.
This is a great graphic.Just what can the average American, Black or White? Very very very few people will ever see the benefits of all this nonsense. Everyone will pay the cost of fewer available tax dollars, slower economic growth, higher energy and food prices, higher debt, lower competitiveness and a less secure supply of energy. Everyone will pay a huge price when the almost certain return of the ice age. We prepared for warming and we get blind sided by an ice age. Millions if not billions will die. This Quixotic venture will accomplish nothing but reward those who corrupt and undermine some of the most important institutions that hold our society together.
The UN’s and the IPCC’s real goal is to reduce the number of ” lower ” Humans inhabiting the Earth so the liberal elite can have more room for themselves…We are crowding their ” Safe Place ” space don’t cha know !!
The number of aging ZPG creeps in the ranks of both the liberals and more importantly in the ranks of greens is amazing. If those people really gave a hoot, they would be lobbying for a solar panel setup to provide enough power to run a dorm fridge and a small microwave for the poor in places where they are still cooking with dung. They don’t. It says a lot about their priorities.
“Ice age” is a bit of hyperbole. “Little Ice Age” would be appropriate with what might be coming in terms of solar magnetic activity. That is not certain of course, but it appears that we will have at least a Dalton Minimum sort of cooling. As a note, that is driven in part by an increase in clouds due to an increase in cosmic ray activity. More clouds, less sunlight, less sunlight, less output from pv modules. Also the sun is slightly dimmer when you have less magnetic activity. Again, that implies less output from pv modules. I have nothing against solar panels, I have a 10KW plate array on my roof. But I also note that there was one cloudy june in Boston that I got a whole 6KWH out of them for the entire month due to clouds.
Thank goodness there is one more voice of reason in this insane world.
Go to the Jo Nova website. The leading article is that Germany and Denmark’s cost of electricity is three times as expensive as the US. Germany and Denmark produce more electricity from wind than any other countries in Europe.
Of note, Germany’s grid almost crashed one snowy winter prior to the act of taking nukes off-line. They are less stable now.
Once again, someone who has absolutely no experience in the real world proclaiming what works. Meanwhile, people who do have experience and do know what really works are ignored or worse.
I admire that the NBCC has chosen to steadfastly and consistently defend the interests of its members, in the face of what must be substantial political pressure to join President obama’s climate
crusadejihad.This idiocy is resulting in the rise of the fascist right. Prior to WWII socialist fascism was EVERYWHERE. It was only moderately successful under Francisco Franco of Spain. Nearly all rest of the western socialist fascists were killed.
Fascism, in general, got a bad name due to WWII and the socialists.
Now we are suffering from the rise of the left, again, & the scope of stupidity has really become glaringly obvious to everyone, even to those who count themselves among the socialist left. The fracturing of the leftist factions will allow the right wing wedges to be hammered in. The NBCC is at odd with OBAMA!!!
So, because the abuse of reason has become so extreme, there now, as a reaction, has become a new tolerance for a re-balancing from the extreme right and I believe it will come in the form of a right-wing neo fascism.
I believe the right wing can easily make a populist case against the extremes of the leftist stupidity and the reaction will not just be a tilt to the right, rather a complete stomp to the right. I believe it will be world-wide.
It is happening now.
The moron in the white house is largely to blame. Him and his agents. His extremes have invited an extreme political reaction and the timing is in favor of the right, and a new fascist right.
I am not at all happy with this but I think it is unstoppable and I blame Green Peace, WWF, the UN for the coming retribution. I hope I am in the woods in a cabin when it all caves in.
Happy New Year
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“right-wing neo fascism”
An oxymoron.
An oxymoron is a contradiction in terms. So you are correct. Most fascists have come from the left. They also engaged in mass-murder at an unprecedented MEGA level. Despite that, I assert that in response to the leftist abuse of executive power in the white house under Obama, the right wing will do the same, with vengeance.
Calling fascists “right wing” is Stalinist disinformation. Consider Mussolini’s history or the history of the National Socialist German Workers Party.
The “Right Wing” is associated with limited Government. The real “Right Wing” fear the Government because they have studied history to see what happens when the Left Wing centralizes a great deal of power in the Government. Fascism is the unlimited power of the Government, its root is Fascis, which is a Roman symbol of absolute power. Associating the Government fearing Right Wing with the omnipotent power of government demonstrates an ignorance of biblical proportions.
This is a Fasces.Its symbolism is the united we stand, the stronger we are. It is a group of bound reeds symbolizing the individual, which is easily broken. Bind those reeds into a tightly bound clump, add an ax blade, and it becomes a formidable unbreakable weapon. Generals were given a Fasces as a symbol of unlimited power. Cincinnatus famously returned the fasces before his term as dictator ended. George Washington used him as an inspiration.
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/cincinnatus1.jpg
Bear in mind that the conversation is wholly shifted to the left, to an almost unimaginable extreme.
Just one “for instance”:
It was not that long ago that a balanced budget was considered reasonable and prudent. After all, the people must live within their means, the government can, as well. Indeed, spending more than you make must end in disaster eventually.
These days, any suggestion of a balanced budget at the federal level is considered the worst form of right-wing extremist, right up there with baby burning. And, of course, Raysis.
A shift to the extreme radical right could mean nothing more than fiscal prudence, sensible regulations, and proper control of the country’s borders. Three things which throw the Left into fits of rage.
Right wing extremists want to burn babies?
And even if they did, dont left wing extremists demand the right to kill them anyways?
Raysis? Does it mean, Racist, the person, an alias in the League of Legends, Facebook page, a spelling error, the photographer ‘Yousef Raysis’ or do you really mean racism?
Regards
Climate Heretic
PS Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you meant Racism.
TonyL says:
A shift to the extreme radical right could mean nothing more than fiscal prudence, sensible regulations, and proper control of the country’s borders. Three things which throw the Left into fits of rage.
Spot on. The “extreme right wing” can be translated into: just folks who prefer the original Constitution and Bill of Rights to what’s going on now.
G. Orwell would understand the language change…
To me, nobody special, it seemed when I was a young man (Vietnam era) that the term ‘right wing’ meant “hawkish” and/or conformist . . and ‘left wing’ meant pacifist and/or nonconformist . As the American Eagle has arrows in it’s right claw, and olive branches in it’s left.
Collectivist is the term that matched what now is generally called the “left wing”, and totalitarian was the term that matched forced collectivism. It did not matter much whether it was “pacifist” or “hawkish” totalitarianism, it was considered evil by virtually everyone it seemed to me at the time. .
And that is the evil I fear we face today.
I was already seeing this manifest back in the 90s when I still thought co2 would cause dangerous warming. Since then it has only gotten more and more likely imo.
Paul, nothing can be too big to fail in terms of policy and programs set in motion. Indeed, taking a few steps back as most of GOP candidates are likely to do with their stomachs’ too weak to handle what must be done, will only represent a pause in the socialist juggernaut. Self interest in foreign policy, immigration (do this one and weather the storm), sovereignty, free enterprise, property rights, etc. etc. probably need more boiler plate added to the constitution. The US is alone in this and if they succumb we are all trapped for a thousand years, possibly with what we do at the pleasure of China and the UN (China will never cede to the UN but it is a nice vehicle for them to use).
Two thirds of the civil service needs to be cut, starting at both ends. States should be given back the powers they ceded to the federal government because of the inbred lefty state governments. The ‘tenured’ civil servant bosses whose allegiance is other than to the country must be let go. Funding of universities must be eliminated for programs supporting the socialist new world order, along with the umbilical cord to paid-for malleable science to support such agenda’s.
Nothing short of reversal of all the left wing “progress” is essential. These aren’t normal times. They are desperate times for independence and freedom. The left has not only sidelined Congress and violated the constitution at will, they have ceded power to foreign institutions (the Trojan Horse, Agenda 21 is not a bundle of motherhood statements good for the US). Once hijacked going back from a new world order may be a project of a century or more. They will have the cudgels of the WTO, and other means of isolation of the US if it tries to undo the Lilliputian bindings.
Get the message! UN and all other NGOs and international lobbying organizations are there to see to the destruction of the the fabric of the most successful nation on earth. They hate you for your success. You are a constant example and an embarrassment of how wrong socialism is as a way to live and prosper. The whole international edifice is dedicated to the knuckling under of the USA. The rest of the west is already part of the planned monolith and you are a thorn in their side. Cut off the vascular connections to these malevolent tumors.
Er…. I’m a little old for taking a job as advisor to a GOP candidate with Big B…er.. Guts to do what needs to be done, but I’m available for a rant now and again.
Gary,
“to see to the destruction of the the fabric of the most successful nation on earth.”
Oh yeah. They have been at it for over 100 years. And their success is my fault as well as others who have been unwilling to speak up.
Well said Gary, that is on the button. Bravo!
Fascism, in general, got a bad name due to WWII and the socialists.
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No, the pact of steel with Hitler, Italy and Japan forever paired Fascism and the Catholic Church with the Holocaust..
And of course the Catholic Church has offered sanctuary to convicted Nazi mass murders as late as the 1980s and to this day to child rapists and pedophiles.
“In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act” – George Orwell.
The NBCC is a very courageous and intelligent group of individuals.
Please, all of you who belong to realism and sanity, tell us all what to do to redress the madness of avarice and greed intent on destroying balance in our/lives?
Civil disobedience? Who is going to lead me and you to where we were? Can I help? How?
Do all of you begin to understand that the wonderful words that you all speak Change nothing?
I am intelligent, caring,concerned and 75 years old.
Do I resonate with anyone?
Vote Trump !!
Vote Trump ??
Marcus – first post a typo?
Auto, seeking knowledge
Auto…held in suspension for some reason….is Trump a bad word now ?? LOL
Roger, I also am 74 years old. I have been an educator all my life, but you do it best, one person at a time. Talk to your children and their friends. Learn the key points (Jonova’s site, had a recent article on ten points that everyone should really question). Convince yourself first, and then it is a lot easier. Sincerity, beats Bullsh*t.
Avarice and greed are not social crimes in and of themselves, and “intent to destroy” something must be proven beyond doubt, so from whom do you suggest we seek redress, and upon what premises do you conclude it is even possible to “lead you and me to where we were” at some point in the past?
Why you feel that any of us, much less all of us, need to be told that wonderful words change nothing? What makes you think we don’t already understand that?
Your own words may resonate, but as you know, words change nothing.
It has been said that we are “at that awkward stage, too late to do anything about it and too soon to start shooting the b*stards.” Probably a reasonable approximation of the circumstances.
That was actually said by a socialist IIRC, but the sentiment works as well for those of us of a different bent.
Not much is going to happen about the climate issue other than some re-arranging of the deck chairs. The future is already un-funded and over-obligated regardless of what they say, and when the financial poo finally gets to the fan the Republic will be in for a drastic re-ordering. Read about the Defense Production Act of 1950 (and its knock-ons) and you will find that Plan B is waiting in the wings.
Just to be clear I do not advocate shooting anybody other than in lawfully justified circumstances.
@ Roger Welsh,
I have to admit you’ve lost me completely.
Yes, I identify myself as belonging to realism and sanity- but that’s meaningless. I suspect the various Napoleons receiving medical treatment around the planet would make the same identification. If you tell me what policies you consider realistic and sane, then I’ll know if I share your view.
Let me show you where I’m confused:
I don’t know which ‘balance’ in our lives you’re speaking of. What thing or things do you think should balance what other thing or things? And is it the same for every person? Do they get a say in it?
You refer to the wonderful words we speak- but we each say different things. Can you give us an example of what you think are ‘wonderful words’, and let us know who said it and when? Our ‘wonderful words’ change nothing, you say… what have the words of ordinary people changed historically? I judge the words of Anthony’s posts, and this of Eric’s, and the various commentators have changed my mind, and that of others here, from ignorant to informed. This is a good change in its own right. You speak of ‘the madness of avarice and greed’ as having an intention. It doesn’t.
Nor is it particularly mad to be greedy; there is no guarantee good times are going to last. It is wise to stock up before the seven lean years.
Greed can be a vice, of course. But while greed exists under every system of economics or Governance, our market economy requires that a greedy person who wants money must exchange something his neighbour values even more than that money, in order for the greedy person to get their hands on his money. Unlike every other system, greed is harnessed to social good. This seems to me to be the essence of sanity rather than madness.
You tell us you’re 75, intelligent, concerned, and caring. I believe all four propositions without needing to ask for further proof. But are you right?
You want to be lead back to where we were. Where exactly was that? In the 40’s we were in the middle of monumental mass slaughter of each other, nation against nation. We had little civil rights legislation, racial divisions, widespread poverty, abundant contagious diseases, little welfare and the prospect of the third world war being a nuclear holocaust that ended all life on Earth. Why would we want to go back there?
Perhaps you meant something different, but do you know, you never actually told us what your thinking was, you kept it all in your head.
Your contribution was poetic and inspiring; but Roger, I’m not sure what the point is. And I need to know before I’m able to tell you if I’m with you.
Is this some sort of shakedown to get a new subsidy to offset the costs of Global Warming on them?
Hey, if the Developing World get theirs, where’s ours, right?
“will create clean- energy jobs,”
Not many, going by what’s happened in Europe. The renewable manufacturing jobs have mostly gone to China.
“bring greater reliability to our electric power grid,”
There will be fewer points of possible big failures. But, OTOH, the erraticness of wind and solar will cause more wear on base-load power plants, and the need to offload excess power will cause disruptions in its targets if the proportion of renewables rises beyond a certain minimum. In the meantime, the transition to renewables is not likely to go smoothly, which may cause brownouts or blackouts, as almost happened in the UK this year.
“bolster our national security,”
That argument is dated. Currently we have all the oil we need from fracking and the Canadian oil sands.
“maybe even reduce our utility bills”
Unlikely, judging by the much higher cost of electricity in Germany and Denmark (and Ontario).
“the Clean Power Plan also will slow a main driver of extreme weather”
It would be more accurate to say that it will reduce the rate of rise of that driver, because China and India’s emissions will continue driving it higher.
He’s stupid to think that policies or regulations alone can create jobs. The capitalist market creates jobs based on supply and demand. If no one wants to buy a particular product, be it green or other, no demand is created, so no jobs are created. If various companies offer the same product, the public determines who they buy certain products from based on their own personal cost/benefit analysis. If the personal cost to them, outweighs the personal benefit provided by the product , people won’t buy it.
The government understands that very well. They know that they cannot currently offer the public an energy product that is equal to the cost benefit ratio of fossil fuels. And they don’t have the money to create and build the infrastructure for one (it may never be possible to do it anyway). They also know if they restrict the amount of energy currently flowing and damage the economy further, the first people affected are the ones who voted them into office. So the only way they can raise the revenue to do it, is to make the public give it to them by increasing taxes or imposing additional fees. And the only way the public will allow that, is if they are promised another benefit in return…more jobs, better something, even saving the world!
Problem is, people are catching on to the fact that what they promise in return either never materializes, or makes something else worse, and so costs are rising but benefits are not.
@ Rogerknights 10.08 am, you said : “There will be fewer points of possible big failures.”
The failures won’t be fewer as most failures today occur along the transmission system. I don’t believe that will change, actually I think it could be worse as a lot of the wind power is being located in isolated areas and require even more expensive transmission systems. They ( like with a sea based wind “farm”) would very difficult to repair and expensive to replace. Current power plants can be located close to were the power is needed and less costly to do upkeep and repairs.
How weather dependent and unreliable wind and solar power can “bring greater reliability to our electric power grid” remains one of life’s unexplained mysteries.
+ many! and you and I would be wealthy if we could figure that out, ….. oh wait didn’t Al Gore get away with that one?
Attempts at climate control using tax payer dollars is a step increase in the cost of living. That cost is shared by everyone and nobody escapes. Some are in a better position to cover the expense over the course of their life while others are buried a little more and live a little worse. For some suffering fuel poverty a tipping point is reached and they spend the rest of their lives on the dole, missing out on the blessings prosperity can bring. Like heat and food and good health. Finally they succumb to excess winter death syndrome aka Green Death.
How do we know this? Because we read about it all the time.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/6997427/Britains-cold-weather-deaths-soar-as-winter-takes-its-toll.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-25100497
http://www.poverty.org.uk/67/index.shtml
Thank you, Obama, for giving hopeless change a chance.
If it reduced our electricity bills, wouldn’t the utilities have adopted it without legislative coercion?
If I’m running a business and somebody tells me I can reduce my costs by adopting a new technology, you won’t have to beat me over the head with a law to make me do so. File that “logic” under “stupid”.
Be more specific Trebla…I can imagine that if you ran a business selling electricity to people and legislation would reduce the amount I got paid by my customers….I might be a tad irritated. 🙂
Most utilities of which I am aware are public. They are limited in how much profit they can take. ere in CA PG&E are allowed 11% (IIRC). So, no incentive to reduce costs exists. There is an incentive to raise prices because they’ll get 11% of a larger pie without having an increase in sunk costs.
A wonderful surprise from NBCC. This advocacy organization must be one of the few such groups extant that steadfastly promote the interests of their constituency. It is a no-nonsense, brave reaction to the harm being created by the US administration, particularly when it is the country’s first black president for which there must be a strong desire to support. Bravo! Yours is a model organization for all of us. What can be more fundamental for policymakers than to seek avenues to support the interests of your constituency.
The left has demonstrated an exclusive bias toward the interests of its neo-cominterm pan-global ‘brotherhood’ centred on the UN’s horrific (and now undisguised) mission, and to hell with its citizens. When this crashes, it will be for a long time I believe. My first knee jerk reaction to Trump’s popularity was there is no way this bombastic caricature can become president. Now I’m thinking that it probably is essential! All the other candidates are intimidated by the magnitude of the task at hand if America is to reclaim its independence and freedom against the swift current to oblivion of an imagination-impoverished Europe that for some unaccountable reason has captured the imagination of the American left-elite and moves them to become a European colony again. I believe it is because of a long inferiority feeling vis a vis ‘cultured and intellectual’ Europe. There is no question that America has demonstrated its superiority in all spheres and has led the world, so get over this historical illness quickly.
With Trump, nothing is too big to fail – another American invention actually. Without fear, the entire edifice of the outrage of the past decades must be dismantled, policies reversed, relationships with the world and its organizations unabashedly changed or disengaged from. A return to the paradigm: what is best for the US? Immigration is a biggee, but this is part of the destruction of the integrity and independence of the country. It is why all these people want in in the first place. Gee, we can’t do this or we can’t do that. Well, yes you can and you must. I’ll be keeping score (as a non American). The level of anger, gnashing of teeth, hatred and threats will be a measure of the recovery and success of the re-invigorated US.
Gary… Thank you for your absolutely, spot on observation.
@ Gary Pearse: ”
’ll be keeping score (as a non American). The level of anger, gnashing of teeth, hatred and threats will be a measure of the recovery and success of the re-invigorated US.”
I will as well and I could not have put your whole post in better words, thank you. The vitriol coming from the MSM and the “Establishment ” has already started and the levels are certain to rise beyond levels ever seen let alone be civil.
Raise taxes on the rich (or just close tax loopholes), invest in renewable energy technologies, cap-and-dividend. Done.
Thanks Barry,
This is the most inane comment we’ve seen all year. {chuckle}
He said that on January 1 of 2016.
Tough competition but I think he’ll be topped in the coming year. 😎
Gunga Din,
My brother in laws posted on facebook this morning:”New Years resolution #1-clear all junk food out of the house. I”ll have to finish tomorrow because I can’t eat any more today….” 🙂
Hey Barry, I know a place like that! If you are in US, care to swap?
Elect Republican president, scrap EPA, de-subsidize “renewables”, re-invest in coal. Done.
Absolutely. Gotta make sure there’s plenty of opportunity for graft and corruption. Politicians and special interest group leaders gotta eat.
That was for Barry, by the way.
Barry, DONE is the operative word. They have already tried all the things you advocate with disastrous results. They are indeed done and overdone. Did you forget the sarc tag or are you incredibly this naive and dependent on intellectual sound bytes from the handbook for useful idiots.
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Nice exposé of the emptiness of MLK III’s argument.
At least there is this comfort to take away: this hollow message will only keep the sheep in the corral, not add any new ones to the flock.
There is nothing to be gained here.
I don’t flock.
Well there is also the U.S. Black Chamber : http://usblackchamber.org
According to THEIR blog post:
“We know climate change is a real and growing threat. And now that we’ve stated the problem, it’s time to rally around the President and his initiatives, primarily the Clean Power Plan, which is set to reduce carbon emission from power plants. The Clean Power Plan also has incredible economic benefits, namely helping us save nearly 7% on our home electricity bills. This is significant.”
How do you save 7% on a bill most poor blacks don’t pay? Even for those who pay, 7% is not a significant result from what will be an enormously expensive program,
Wait there’s more:
“Our communities are wrought with injustices of various kinds– the lack of healthy, affordable food; poor opportunities to quality education and employment; and limited resources to support business creation. All of these exacerbate the impact of climate change on the Black community. Our need for environmental equality comes in many forms, each requiring deliberate action with deliberate speed. Let us play an active role in securing our part of the green economic boom.”
Now if you read through the BS you will find that what this organization is saying is that the government is giving away money so we better get some before it’s all gone. I particularly like the phrase “environmental equality”.
Their Twitter account was created in 2011, and the President’s messages only go back to 2012…
@Tom in Florida, 1.21 pm The article states the “National BCOC,” . Your post says ” USBCOC “are the same ? If they aren’t which one is on who’s side I wonder.
Different. Just pointing out there is another so called black organization. This one claims to be on the side of Obama. If they are related or in touch, they seem to have both sides covered.
The NBCC website from which I obtained the quotes is linked by the Martin Luther King III article.
“environmental equality”.
I do believe we have the new catch phrase for 2016!
I think the last few years being “sustainability” or maybe “climate justice”?
All being ridiculously meaningless with a touch of coo coo for cocoa puffs……..
Why A Fake Article Titled “Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs?” Was Accepted By 17 Medical Journals
http://www.fastcompany.com/3041493/body-week/why-a-fake-article-cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs-was-accepted-by-17-medical-journals
Here’s some background on this new rival chamber, apparently sponsored by the Obama administration. So much easier to create a voice you like than to listen to a voice you don’t…
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/27/obama-in-the-middle-of-ugly-fight-over-who-represents-black-business/
Does “environmental equality” imply that if some place is still an a pristine state but another is polluted, it’s better to move pollution to the pristine one, until pollution is equalized?
Van Jones, the communist and green jobs tsar was going to fix all this.
We should always remember this:http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/nvst.html , is it greenhouse effect?
The Warmists knew that the great mass of poorly educated African American people in the US would instinctively trust a black President on the subject of Global Warming. Therefore giving him the democratic leverage to act on their behalf.
What should not be forgotten is that there are a great many, well and highly educated African Americans who saw through the hoax from the beginning.
Using Democrat logic, if we ban lower-cost generic drugs and force people to buy higher-cost brand names, it will be good for the economy and cause prices to decline. If it works that way when you force people to buy higher-cost energy, why wouldn’t it work the same way for medicine, food, and other products?
The ugly truth about anti-carbon so-called “green” energy policies is that they hurt most those who can least afford to be hurt. The lies that the virulent Warmunist WaPo spews are unspeakably vile.
National Black Chamber of Commerce? Isn’t that racist?
Gee, are they just now noticing that the government climate change “solutions” are hurtful to the poor and “middle class”? – All of us! This includes other minorities such as Hispanics, Muslims – you name it…
Sorry, fellas…the decision has been made by the Democrats. See Keystone XL…Green trumps union therefore green trumps black.
Low risk decision on the part of the Democrats…like they might ever lose the black vote…be serious.
One of the poorest countries in Africa,South Africa, riven by unemployment of around 25% and a big health budget is looking to go to nuclear power.
The local bishops want them not to use nuclear as the economy is going down the gurgler and the capital cost is high and unaffordable in the first place.
The local Faith and Light type communities are arguing for solar and wind.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/12/31/south-african-bishops-call-for-referendum-on-nuclear-power-plants/
Both are affordable if Obama shares the 3 billion $ US to subsidize them.
Africa in the meanwhile is exporting natural gas to fuel the power needs of France.
China is opening up the silk road to new ports and infrastructure to start mining Africa and send
the raw materials to China, hence its new infrastructure banks.
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/30/china-could-see-2-3-trillion-inflows-after-yuan-enters-imfs-currency-basket.html
http://internationalbanker.com/finance/chinas-silk-road-financial-diplomacy-takes-shape/
Nuclear power of itself would appear to be unaffordable for SA
But without stable base load power it cannot manufacture itself out of recession now that China has slowed down.
Former finance minister Nhlanhla Nene has said repeatedly that nuclear energy would not be procured if SA could not afford it. The African National Congress has also expressed caution, passing a resolution at its national general council in October, calling for ‘‘a full, transparent and thorough cost-benefit analysis of nuclear power’’.
http://nuclear-news.net/category/africa/south-africa/
According to Bloomberg its going to be Russia or China who will stump up the cash for
base load power but the terms will be confidential, the equipment will be provided by the financier.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-05/will-putin-pay-for-100-billion-south-africa-nuclear-power-plan-
Now here is the opportunity for Obama to put a floor under his legacy.
Particularly when he has a lazy 3 billion $ as a sweetener.
He could give them what they need,reliable base load power and kick start a power station.
At the same time he could pull them out of dependency and show the Chinese and Russians where to get off.
After all, its about helping the poor, in a practical way, giving them the dignity of work, wherever they may be.
The black brothers in the US have made this point.
Obama could then make the next intellectual jump.
If its good enough for thinking Africans, maybe its good enough for Americans too.
Maybe small nuke plants on ships could anchor a mile or three offshore and sell power via a cable hookup to South africa and other impoverished countries. It could be a money-maker over time, and a goodwill enhancer. I’ve read that Russia was contemplating offering such a service. Maybe some maverick US billionaire should pick up the ball and run with it.
PS: Would Greenpeace try to harass such a ship? What would be the results(s)?
I fail to see why the US should participate in any way to help South Africa with its energy problems. It’s not like we have all this money sitting around. Why on Earth should we borrow $3 billion we can’t pay back just to give it to a country that probably won’t spend it effectively anyway?
Start from zero on this. We don’t have the money. Period. Where is the justification based on our own national interests to borrow $3 billion to help a perfectly viable country with its internal problems? Better we just work on our own debt…or so it seems to me.
I completely disagree with Boxer on climate, but she handled herself well there. It was the National Black Chamber of Commerce guy who was taking fake offense who got it wrong. I mean, he might have a point about Boxer citing the NAACP if the organization he represents didn’t have “Black” in its very name. So he can’t honestly say that Boxer is playing to race by citing another Black group, when his own group is clearly defined by race from the outset, by its own leadership, which means him. Change the name and the orientation, and open the membership to other races if you don’t want to be compared to other black groups.
brokenyoyg
Agree about NBCC guy’s apparent fake offense.
A better line of reasoning for him might have been to question why a political (NAACP) organization’s opinion was being equated with actual business owners (NBCC).
Kind of like asking the girl scouts (of any/all colors) for a technical opinion on the impact of LHC at CERN.
Excuse an old guy for being cynical, but I interpret these remarks to really mean: “We are not getting a big enough cut of the global warming scam. Give us more to shut up.”
Sorry if my age is showing.
Re steve says: January 1, 2016 at 8:44 am
Hard to say about Obama’s ideological roots on this specific issue, but I of course have a mode….er, I mean theory. 🙂
He has a history of neo-Marxist beliefs, and environmentalism has the same roots:
– negative view of humans (denial of the mind, thus fixed-pie economics and resource limits, and drive-to-the-bottom ethics thus not taking care of the environment)
– collectivism (worker bees not individual minds)
– praise of contradictions, which their evasion of evidence around them is consistent with
When you lose the leverage of a leading superior class, it is imperative to discover or create another.
Eric Worall writes:
I admire that the NBCC has chosen to steadfastly and consistently defend the interests of its members, in the face of what must be substantial political pressure to join President Obama’s climate crusade.
Unfortunately, the (probably mostly caucasian) Chamber of Commerce approves of the new flood of illegal immigration. Many business owners like the idea of all that cheap labor. But they are not thinking it through.
It’s like taking in a stray dog without knowing it’s half wolf. When you or your family are attacked, it’s too late to do a DNA test.
The CoC should simply insist on a federal law requiring all employees in the U.S. to be here legally. End of problem; employers would all be on the same level playing field.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a
Dawtgtomis,
Thanks, that occurred to me after I hit ‘post comment’. So the real problem already has a solution. All we need is a President and Attorney General who will enforce the law. That would Trump the current lack of enforcement…
Socialism is the belief that if you take money from your right pocket, and put it in your left pocket, you will become richer.