If it wasn’t enough that John Cook dresses himself up as a Nazi in his SkS uniform on his forum, now we have him caught in what looks to be identity theft of a well known scientist.
A WUWT reader writes via email:
I thought I might ask you for your comment on this before I rush to judge John cook.
The Reference Frame: Identity theft: the thief of Lubos_Motl turns out to be a well-known man
Specifically, I’m curious:
1) Why john would wish to post comments anywhere under any circumstances using another persons name?
2) How many other times has he done this?
3) Does he intend to do this again?
Thanks for your time.
This isn’t a brush away issue that he can ignore, as Dr. Lubos Motl found out yesterday, John Cook has been using the name of Dr. Lubos Motl to post comments that Dr. Motl has NOT written.
Dr. Motl writes:
Today, one hour ago, was the first time when I was seeing these pages but interestingly enough, you may find lots of things over there posted by Lubos_Motl. And this Lubos_Motl happens to use the e-mail address jc@sks… and the same IP addresses as another, less prolific participant of those discussions, John Cook! ;-)In the first thread – including comments about the possible influence of the Sun on the hockey stick and exchanges about a planned alarmists’ letter to Anthony Watts analyzing the meaning of the word “denier” – we read:
John Cook: … If a few more agree with the idea of this blog post (noting it won’t directly engage Watts or even mention him, it’ll be a general discussion post) and the direction I propose we go with the d-word issue, I’ll have a crack at writing it over the next day.
EDIT: sorry, accidentally posted this under my Lubos_Motl username, sorry for any confusion 🙁
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Tim Curtis: would you please stop posting as Lubos Motl. There is reason to doubt his sanity, so I don’t like seeing his name. Further, it is his name, and therefore one you are not entitled to use.
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Rob Honeycutt: John… You freak me out every time Lubos Motl’s name pops up!
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John Cook: Sorry about the Lubos thing. Was posting some Lubos comments for the UWA experiment and forgot to log back in as John Cook.
For the record, if just one or two of you SkSers jumped over to the Technical Forum and posted some comments to the 4 Experiment Conditions, I’d get my 10 comments and wouldn’t have to log in as Lubos anymore. Only one or two more comments required to get the quota. Just some incentive for you 🙂
EDIT: one of the conditions now has 10 comments, so only 3 more threads (with 2 of them only requiring one more comment). So Lubos very close to being put to bed 🙂
EDIT: only one more thread to go…
Minutes before this September 26th, 2011 commitment, we were reading these comments in the other threads:
Lubos_Motl: Ocean acidification is a strong sign that humans are raising CO2 levels. But it’s also a grave environmental concern as the acidification is causing damage to coral reefs which are some of the most diverse ecosystems on the planet. Adding insult to injury, the increased CO2 causes warming which is causing further damage to the coral reefs through bleaching. Corals provide both evidence for man-made global warming and concern over its impacts.
Lubos_Motl: The past tells us much about what our future holds in store for us. In the past, when the Earth was warmer than it is now, sea levels were metres higher than current levels. So just on the sea level front alone, we can expect severe impacts on the vast majority of the human population living on coastlines. The past also describes these concerning feedback events, where warmer temperatures lead to further release of greenhouse gases. We’re already seeing this start to happen in the Arctic, with methane bubbling from the permafrost and methane clathrates. The past paints a vivid picture of our future and it’s a picture of great concern.
Well, you can figure out that these paragraphs were written by a scientifically illiterate imbecile rather than Luboš Motl – because you are a TRF reader – but what about others? In Parts 2–4 of the other thread, the same Lubos_Motl wrote lots of other things:
Lubos_Motl: Cherry picking: What this post fails to mention is other factors also affect climate. Urban heat island also causes nights to warm faster than days. Ozone depletion causes the stratosphere to cool. This supposed evidence is just cherry picking supporting evidence and hiding the rest.
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The article also cites ocean warming as evidence, and yet ocean warming has stalled since 2003. As more than 90% of global warming is going into the oceans, which means ocean heat is the best measure for global warming, the conclusion is obvious – humans can’t be causing global warming because global warming isn’t happening!
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Good point re cosmic rays. The simplistic argument that the sun can’t cause global warming only looks at one possible link between sun and climate – total solar irradiance. But the relationship between the sun and our climate is much more complicated than that, as the solar magnetic field modulates the amount of cosmic radiation hitting the earth. This affects cloud formation which also interacts with our climate in complicated ways, with lower clouds causing cooling and higher clouds causing warming. A prettily coloured graphic created for young children doesn’t even begin to capture the complexities of our climate system.
Lubos_Motl: It’s hilarious that this article cites Usoskin 2005. That paper concludes that over the last few decades, the correlation between sun and climate breaks down. Therefore, recent warming must have some other cause. This article’s own sources debunk its assertion that the sun is causing global warming!
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The full truth about the percentage of CO2 is that over 99% of the atmosphere is oxygen and nitrogen, both gases which are not greenhouse gases. So the fact that CO2 is a small percentage is irrelevant to the strength of its greenhouse effect. It’s like holding an election in a town of 1000 people where only 10 people vote. They may only be a small number but each individual has a significant effect. It’s the same with CO2. Of course, you don’t have to take my word for it – what do measurements find? Both planes and satellites measure heat as it escapes to space and both find a big bite out of the outgoing heat, at precisely the wavelengths that CO2 absorbs heat. The greenhouse effect is an empirically observed fact.
Lubos_Motl: Good point re the co2 lag. Not only was co2 higher in the past, it also lags temperature, showing temperature drives co2, not the other way around. The ice core record is not kind to the warmist agenda.
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Good point re the number of scientists. The alarmists like to boast about there being 2500 scientists who wrote the IPCC report. But the number of skeptic scientists is AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE greater than the number of alarmist scientists. Not only there is still a debate, the weight of opinion leans heavily towards the skeptic point of view. This article presents the compelling evidence that explains why.
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John Cook: Note re Lubos Motl: I won’t use the name Lubos Motl or any of our names in the final webpage used in the experiment (so the last two comments by Rob and Steve won’t be used, I’m afraid).
Full story: http://motls.blogspot.com/2015/07/identity-theft-thief-of-lubosmotl-turns.html#more
To me, this is the most telling comment:
John Cook: Sorry about the Lubos thing. Was posting some Lubos comments for the UWA experiment and forgot to log back in as John Cook.
This is just unbelievable; “the UWA experiment”. Think about what this refers to: University of Western Australia. This is where Cook launched his career defaming climate skeptics by helping Stephan Lewandowsky in designing/running a gussied up poll that was never actually posted on climate skeptic websites, that purports to give answers by climate skeptics, to be used in a paper where it is claimed that climate skeptics are believers that “the moon landing was faked“. What sort of “experiment” was John Cook running by stealing the identity of Dr. Lubos Motl, and writing comments under his name?
Cook is a man who has co-authored two papers about how climate skeptics are not to be trusted because in essence, “they are crazy conspiracy theorists”. Yet, John Cook, now of the University of Queensland after leaving his connections at UWA, has so little moral integrity that he’ll post comments on his own website (the SkS forum, see below) as a skeptical scientist, such as Dr. Lubos Motl?
Who else has John Cook impersonated? Has he encouraged his team to do this? These are valid questions that need answers.
This may be actionable, not just to get his latest smear paper retracted, like the first one was, but legally actionable. And maybe it’s time, because quite frankly I’m getting tired of this crap coming from this band of zealots in Australia who seem to have no scruples or integrity. Identity theft of another scientist’s name to post fake comments is just beyond the pale.
This isn’t the first time Cook and crew has done something reprehensible like this. Readers may recall he and his team of moderator zealots have been caught changing user comments after the fact:
On “Skepticalscience” – Rewriting History
This is why Skeptical Science has it’s own special category on the links at WUWT’s sidebar:
Unreliable*
Skeptical Science – John Cook
* Due to (1) deletion, extension
and amending of user comments,
and (2) undated post-publication
revisions of article contents after
significant user commenting.
Then there’s all the questionable tactics Cook used to create a faked 97% consensus: Richard Tol’s Excellent Summary of the Flaws in Cook et al. (2013) – The Infamous 97% Consensus Paper
May I suggest Mr. Cook, that your next fake persona name be: What. A. Slimeball.
UPDATE: Since some commenters have run astray in their thinking, assuming incorrectly that this lab exercise was related to the “moon landing” and “fury” papers, perhaps this addition will help clarify the issue. I sometimes forget readers don’t keep up on the vagaries of the SkS underworld as much as I have.
These comments were from the SkS private “subscribers only” forum, where you had to be on the “inside” to be a part of it. So, these were not public comments like we see on WUWT, but rather a discussion with his network of sycophants helping with his “research”.
The point that needs to be driven home is that rather than getting real comments, he had his buddies (and himself) write faked up comments from their own perspective as “fake skeptics”, and then analyzed those for his research experiment. Whether the results of that experiment made it into any published research is unknown.
Essentially, he and his friends made up pre-biased data, by “assuming” they knew what a skeptic comment might look like, and that’s an issue of integrity. What we see is an attempt to ascertain if a few skeptical comments are influential enough to undo the “good” of an alarmist post. That’s where “noble cause corruption” is at work. It seems he wants to find excuses to explain why everyone should censor skeptics out of the conversation, something he’s actively pushing on CNN right now.
Therefore the important question is: did he get the required ethics approval to make up his own data for that lab exercise?
See:
http://www.research.uwa.edu.au/staff/human-research/approvals
The mendacity of creating commentary from your own group to use it to analyze and then label another group is truly mind boggling.
If readers are going to register complaints, they need to do so in this context, not from the standpoint of this being about public comments faked up by Cook, that remains to be determined, yet given the behavior, we would be correct to look for such instances. Readers should take care not to make complaints to universities that this incident shows that Cook faked public comments, as inaccurate complaints will be ignored and make it more difficult for other complaints to get a hearing. Until further details become available, it is probably best that readers hold off anyway.
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utterly speechless
Not speechless, this behaviour by a rabid huxster is totally expected from the likes of John Cook by stealing the identity has proven his morals are that of a cesspool dweller. John Cook you sir are a liar a cheat a thief a totally dishonest man, you don’t have an decedent bone in you body you are a mirror image of the data fraud liars and cheats that live in your shadowy world of grant seekers.
I second that, Ted G.
+1
His fan club includes barack obama. Need I say more?
A brief query.
Is this legal?
Or – I am no lawyer – illegal?
If the latter – might this be a civil tort – libel?
Or a criminal offence – perhaps malfeasance; misrepresentations; demanding money with menaces [although hat might fit every watermelon under the Sun . . .)?
Auto – asking because I would like to know what to call these shameless carp-imitators.
Carp – apologies: my orthography radar is a bit off.
Auto.
Don’t know if it helps any, but I call ’em “Gaia’s Yeast Infection”.
What a creep. But what should one expect from a guy who likes dressing up like a Nazi?
Shouting, goose-stepping, raising the right arm, Gestapo and some sort of concentration camp?
You ever notice how closely john cook resembles a tasmanian devil? Just sayin…
I have written to UoQ’s academic registrar (Prof. Joanne Wright) – see website for contact to alert her to this potentially damaging situation… got to do your bit to help them out,
May I suggest that if John Cook is sorry, it’s sorry for having been caught red-handed.
or perhaps it’s just being a sorry specimen that makes him sorry.
John Cook and Michael Mann set the standard in ‘climate science’, so what else would you expect.
That 97% paper of his was such rubbish, but his PR on it was such that all the gullible politicians and ecoloons in general quickly started quoting it as gospel.
When there are no ethics, standards or moral judgement, then John Cook and his cronies stand high in place.
John Gleik should be ashamed of himself.
Sorry, should read Cook.
I see what you did there.
Birds of a feather….
Birds are smarter.
Antony:
Just to update you and your readers, there has, as of now, been no response from the SkS team.
Thanks for bringing this to at the attention of a wider audience.
It is distressing to read the terms of derision and contempt used to refer to Dr Motl, who was an early proponent and developer of string theory…
Derision and scorn were heaped upon him by…a guy who dresses up like a nazi, and used to draw comics?
wow.
Seriously, why hasn’t he been
locked up?
Some idiots are useful.
TRF probably feels sympathetic toward his low intellectual level:
“John Cook found a “simply clever” albeit not quite ethical (and legal?) way to raise his IQ by 60 points”
http://motls.blogspot.com/2015/07/identity-theft-thief-of-lubosmotl-turns.html#more
… and the other shoe drops for the warmist crowd.
Sad.
Someone should take mister Cook out behind the wood shed and [snip -mod]
Oh, come on mod, I was enjoying it up until you intervened! 😉
Ghost, whatever you wanted to do to JC, I’m sure we’d all like to join you and do the same
I have liberal friends who are constantly quoting the 97% at me as a reason why they shouldn’t listen to anything I say on this topic.
Sam, I love it when the 97% paper is quoted to me. I quickly reply, “Really? Are you staking your credibility on the 97% paper? That tells me all I need to know about your ability to scrutinize a paper. Say no more.”
They usually pause and look at me with concern wondering what they just said that was so bad. I have a feeling that this forces them to think twice about using the 97% number.
Do they have woodsheds in Australia?
Wow! Will the U of Queensland fire this slimeball?
Or promote him?
He would need ethics approval (which he almost certainly doesn’t have) to use identity theft as a research method. A complaint by one of those whose identity was stolen to the appropriate research ethics committee should be enough to get him in serious trouble.
He is running a course on how to defeat deniers or some such vague title. So having given permission for that, he will probably be celebrated for impersonation, despite the strict plagiarism rules there.
Ian H has hit the nail on the head. It is also likely that Cook, by impersonation, has infringed acceptable email usage policy (he used jc@uq..). A complaint to UQ on this and the research ethics aspect should trigger an investigation, if UQ is a reputable organisation…
He’ll be offered a position at Uni NSW.
Jack, I believe that over the last few years, UQ has given up trying to pretend that they are a reputable institution.
That’s a good question! As someone with two degrees from UQ (BE and MBA) I have been ashamed to be associated with them since they offered the Cook class in denier-sliming.
If they don’t sack him over this, they will sink even further in my estimations (which I didn’t think was possible).
Put in a complaint to the University. There is a Public Sector Ethics Act Queensland which Cook has with doubt breached. This Act applies to all Queensland Universities (mentioned in the Act), government entities and to Local Government Search for the Act and download it
Whitewash or slap on the wrist. Or both. Or nothing. Aww, screw it. Can’t even be bothered to care what these idiots are up to, anymore.
I was in for the science before these numbskulls were even born. Still in for the science.
The wonder of the things we know and the wonder of all the holes in our knowledge. What is the connection? What is(are) the driver(s)? Have we even identified them all?
I find that all far more compelling than what these goobers are doing. Always will.
Apologies to the author, Anthony, and do not blame him for posting this. It is sadly necessary.
WUWT? plays an important role in calling all sides out. Keep it up.
If the story is true they must.
It’s not that he’d do it that shocks me. Almost nothing shocks me anymore. However, that he would admit to it in a public forum, accessible to all. If I didn’t know the reputations of the people, I would have readily accused a third party of staging the whole thing. Similar to Gleik’s fake SuperVillain memo. This is just TOO MUCH. Too blatant. It staggers belief that he would be so arrogant as to post repeatedly under a fake name and then confess to it on a publicly recorded channel.
It ain’t a conspiracy if they really ARE out to get you.
Ben, Cook got found out. From the orginal article:
I suppose if you think the POTUS has your back you can do whatever you like without fear of retribution.
I find this whole thing sickening but it is certainly part of a pattern in this alarmist movement.
Unbelievable. I’ve enjoyed his weak and often muddled circular reasoning in past ‘responses’ to skeptic arguments, but I never thought he was capable of this type of thing. He belongs on DeSmog Blog.
Doesn’t surprise me one bit. The length and breadth of tactics that evil people (yes, I do mean evil) are exemplified by J.Cook, Lewandowsky, M. Mann, A. Gore, Obama, Hansen, etc. Skeptic scientists should realize that this blatant evil exists among a very influential group of alarmists and that playing nice due to holding the belief that these people are convinced of the CO2 impact on climate is a losers game.
Spot on!
Please correct name of the promary subject — he is Lubos Motl not Lubo Motls (his nickname is Lubo)
[fixed- mod]
LUMO!
Lowest unoccupied molecular orbital, eh? )
Well, then you’ll like this little contribution to the discussion:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/22/opinions/cook-techniques-climate-change-denial/index.html
TomB: Hah!! I loved it! When I clicked on the link I got the site – but with a big msg saying: “We use Cookies…” I figured it was mistaken: Cookie uses us!
I read enough to decide that Cook was ‘projecting.’ Try substituting ‘alarmist’ for ‘denier’ and see how it reads.
You got it pinroot!
Polar bears. Always with the polar bears! UGH.
Inertia: Lying once started is difficult to stop.
It became a modus operandi of the whole alarmist movement. Then they suffer a “professional depression”.
You have just entered … the Twilight Zone.
I wonder who will be first to leap to his defence? The contrived justification should be wondrous to behold.
Whatever do you mean?? The end the means…..well, doesn’t it?
end justifies the means*
Mike: I sometimes think that to these people, “the means justifies the end” (to be clear, they don’t care what the cause is, they just want the control over people).
Controllist/Totalitarian Ends vs Means, no distinction: Means = Ends = Thought Control
One of my brothers is a cop and he always says if they were smart, his job would be so much more difficult.
“The last point of divergence, and the one I think hasn’t really budged in the last five years, is the opinion that alarmist climate science is essentially a criminal enterprise.”
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/there-can-be-no-doubt-now/
Pointman
Pointman,
Your point is well taken. RICO?
Except that the criminals now have the active collusion of the authorities.
I’d be stunned if there was any comeback on Cook.
“The sin is no longer that a scientist was wrong, because that was always a forgivable mistake and a risk you took, but that they now lie through their teeth to us while at the same time giving us the good old steady eye contact of truth. It’s deliberate, premeditated and totally without any guilt for ruthlessly exploiting the implicit trust in them.”
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/is-it-now-considered-okay-for-science-to-be-corrupt/
It’s a bad patch for science in general.
Pointman
Including the POTUS for crying in a bucket!
This has to be academic misconduct…. and massively unethical conduct!
Therefore expect UWA and Queensland to do nothing..
Exactly
Yep. They subscribe to my favourite writer’s (Keith Waterhouse) dictum: “Don’t just do something, stand there!”
They won’t do nothing. They’ll remind him to be more careful with his scurrilous behavior in the future.
Does anybody know the background on the trolling quota? I’ve had my suspicions about this sort of thing, but this removes any doubt.
So it appears that he:
1. impersonated a scientist in order to get the quotes he wanted for his research
2. encouraged his friends to write posts providing suitable input to his research
3. impersonated other “names” in order to get the number (quota) of posts he needed for his research.
If that’s true then to me that’s falsifying results and therefore misconduct.
Even better, I’m fairly certain that it’s libel.
Cloning himself was pretty dumb. Doesn’t he know that too many Cooks spoil the broth?
And after constant reuse, too many soups spoil deh Cook.
How much do they all get paid for their crap?
Unless they say “nil”, I would not think fraud is too strong a word.
This is clearly an attempt to prove that sceptics will believe anything from their own side.
And it clearly hasn’t been published so it clearly didn’t find what was useful to Cook. Because sceptics, by definition, don’t believe anything.
He was trying to prove that Climate Sceptics are Fake Sceptics. And failed.
Or he was just trying to discredit real climate scientists – like Motl – in order to ruin their careers.
As Cook is a man who has been known to falsify research in the past (97%) and is an organiser of a way-out-the pseudoscience blog… it is possible he was just trying to commit intellectual vandalism.
This is hard to discuss without going into the spam filter as we all know it’s frau…
He trying to create the desired “virtual reality”?
M, impersonating someone to defravd them….is slander
..and it is against the law
You could spell it “frowd” we would all know what you mean.
Careful, he will change it to Watt instead of what. 😉
Resolve the following formula
Cook + R =C*ook
It’s not identity theft as such; but it is impersonation if, and only if, he represented himself as the actual and real Lubos Motl. Such is the nature of pseudonymity on the internet. Every random person has no necessary connection to their nickname.
— Jquip
yes…a nickname that happens to be lubos_motl….
random…totally random.
Point taken J, but there are some counterpoints
It boils down to: Cook signed another man’s full name while posting in his area of expertise. Full posts that were not obvious satires and were designed to deceive people. That is an active deception to people who are not able to discern the difference.
To compare, Mark Twain is dead, and you are not posting literary criticism or in gilded age wit. Therefore, it’s not deceptive. Or, on a ruder sense, if someone called “GoreTheFirst” comes here, declaring us all heretics that he will chop off all our heads, that would be obviously not be Al Gore. We’d laugh and go on with our lives.
However, if someone submitted a letter to the editor of the New York Times, arguing coherently that carbon markets will harm the poor even worse the climate change and signed Al Gore’s name, that would be deception and Gore would be justifiably enraged.
I may not be a lawyer, but this appears to be fairly straightforward libel.
Mark Twain is dead???? Aw, man, you’ve bummed me out. On a serious note, Cook is pathetic.
Well sure, it could be libelous. In the US that would only require that Motl show that the posts caused him economic damage. But Libel and Slander are different considerations than impersonation or Identity Theft.
“Mark Twain
July 23, 2015 at 11:20 am
It’s not identity theft as such”
A person pretending to be Mark Twain on the Internet would say that wouldn’t she.
If his intent was to show that skeptics will accept anything “from their side”, then he obviously would have been intending to represent himself as the real Lubos Motl.
Mine is a much better example of the grey area. I’m not Tim Allen but my first name IS Tim. I’m not trying to be Tim Allen and I dont think anyone would confuse me for him. Besides Tim the tool man isn’t Tim Allen either. Its a character Tim Allen plays.
This “Lubos Motl” impersonation case is crystal clear by comparison.
Aus. law is very like UK law. Uk, has a common law tort of “passing off”, that may be relevant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_off