The trouble with Google defining 'truth'

google-logoGoogle thinks we’re only entitled to seeing Google’s “facts,” especially on climate change

Guest essay by Ron Arnold

With its $385 billion share value, Google, Inc. has bumped ExxonMobil to become America’s No. 2 ranked company in market capitalization.

That may not be a good thing. A February article in New Scientist announced, Google wants to rank websites based on facts, not links, and writer Hal Hodson said, “The internet is stuffed with garbage. Google has devised a fix – rank websites according to their truthfulness.”

Not surprisingly, the idea of changing page rank from popularity to “truthfulness,” based on a Google-made “knowledge vault,” did not go down well.

Fox News reported, “Google’s plan to rank websites is raising censorship concerns.” Douglass Kennedy opened with, “They say you’re entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts. It’s a concept not everyone is comfortable with.”

They’re saying we’re only entitled to Google’s “facts,” which completely short-circuits how slippery “facts” can be and naively equates facts with truth. Ask any lawyer about truth.

Today’s climate wars consist of arguments between highly qualified scientists about facts that some sincerely believe are true, and some sincerely believe are false, each for solid reasons. It should be an honest debate among equals, but it’s degenerated into a power play by alarmists to kill debate to drive favored public policies that are pushed by certain politicians and their social and political base.

Google’s truth plan is not so simple. Facts are statements about existence. Statements about existence can be true or false. Existence itself – your kitchen sink or the climate or whatever – can’t be true or false; it just exists. Say anything you want about existence, and it won’t change a thing. It still just exists. Existence doesn’t give a damn what you think about it. Facts are statements about existence, and statements are always arguable.

But get everyone to believe Google Facts, and you can enforce political policies worth trillions of dollars to climate profiteers – and impose punitive, economy-strangling, job-killing regulations on millions of families.

You can see where this is going.

Imagine: Big Google the Universal Truthsayer. That’s as scary as “Mr. Dark” in Ray Bradbury’s 1962 novel Something Wicked This Way Comes, only worse. It’s the perfect machine to kill all dissent and wither the Internet into a wasteland of groupthink, susceptible to disinformation campaigns from any power center from the CIA, to the rich bosses of Google, Inc. to Google’s political friends and allies.

What about those rich bosses? Google’s two co-founders, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, created a corporate foundation in 2005. The Google Foundation has 2013 assets of $72,412,693, gave grants of $7.9 million, and added $29.4 million from corporate profits.

Three of Google’s top-ten recipients are key climate alarmists: the World Wildlife Fund ($5 million); Energy Foundation ($2.6 million); and rabidly anti-fracking Natural Resources Defense Council ($2.5 million).

NRDC is particularly influential because it also received $3.01 million in taxpayer-financed Environmental Protection Agency grants since 2009 and has 50 employees on 40 federal advisory committees: NRDC has 33 employees on 21 EPA committees, and more in six other agencies.

The big gun in Google philanthropy is Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt, whose Schmidt Family Foundation ($312 million, 2013 assets) is a major armory for groups that attack skeptics of dangerous manmade climate change. The Schmidt Foundation has given $67,147,849 in 295 grants to 180 recipients since it was endowed in 2007.

Top Schmidt money went to Climate Central ($8.15 million), a group of activist climate scientists bolstered by $1,387,372 in EPA grants since 2009.

Schmidt also gave $3.25 million to the Energy Foundation, which was almost superfluous, since EF is practically the Mother Ship of green grants, with $1,157,046,016 given via 28,705 grants to 11,866 recipients since 1999.

Among the shadier grants in the Schmidt portfolio are anti-fracking, anti-fossil-fuel grants totaling $1.19 million to the Sustainable Markets Foundation, a shell corporation that gives no recorded grants, but funnels money to climate and anti-fracking organizations such as Bill McKibben’s 350.org, so that the donors are not traceable.

Schmidt supported the far-left Tides Foundation empire with $975,000 for an anti-consumer film, “The Story of Stuff.” It gave the Sierra Club $500,000 for anti-natural gas activism, the Center for Investigative Reporting $985,000 for an anti-coal film, and so forth. Schmidt’s list goes on for pages.

With all the massive resources of wealth and power alarmists have, we must ask: Why do they give so much to destroy the climate debate and the debaters? What are they afraid of?

Perhaps they have staked so much money and reputation on manmade climate catastrophe claims that they are terrified by the prospect that inconvenient evidence, data, debate and scientists could destroy their carefully constructed climate house of cards.

Or perhaps it’s what Eric Schmidt said at January’s World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, when he was asked for his prediction on the future of the web. “I will answer very simply that the Internet will disappear.”

How? The mature technology will be wearable, give us interactive homes and cars, and simply fade into the background – to become something that we all have, that most of us don’t really know (or care) very much about, as long as it can do whatever we want.

That’s the view from the pinnacle of wealth and power. On the ground, the joke is on Google.

Michael Humphrey, Forbes contributor and instructor at Colorado State University, sees younger people abandoning the public forum in favor of one-to-one connectivity. He says they don’t trust the Internet.

Why? Millennials say the Internet is cheapening language, it is stunting curiosity (because answers come so easily), we are never bored so we lose creativity, it steals innocence too quickly, it makes us impulsive with our buying and talking, it is creating narcissists, it creates filter bubbles that limit discovery, it hurts local businesses, it is filled with false evidence, it desensitizes us to tragedy, it makes us lonely.

They want the real world.

Google that.

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Ron Arnold is Ron Arnold is executive vice president of the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and coauthor of Cracking Big Green: Saving the world from the Save-the-Earth money machine.

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David Harrington
April 9, 2015 12:18 am

Worrying.

Sceptical Sam
Reply to  David Harrington
April 9, 2015 10:50 pm

Yep. But only if you stick with Google.
I don’t.
I recommend DuckDuckGo
https://duckduckgo.com
It doesn’t track you either.
Vote with your mouse. Give Google the chop.

wacojoe
Reply to  Sceptical Sam
April 10, 2015 8:38 am

Plus 10.

rogerknights
April 9, 2015 12:20 am

Google shouldn’t change its page rankings based on sites’ toeing the line on consensus reality. That could make maverick sites invisible. If it wants to give sites “gold stars” reflecting Google’s high opinion of them, that would be tolerable, I suppose. (The cool kids would be sure to shun them!)

oeman50
Reply to  rogerknights
April 9, 2015 9:36 am

They should base their rankings on site “truthiness.”

Tom O
Reply to  oeman50
April 9, 2015 12:08 pm

But WHO defines truth? In many cases, “consensus” defines truth, but that does NOT make it the truth. Consensus said the world was flat, but that’s not the case. Consensus said the Sun revolved around Earth, but that’s not the case. The truth, somewhat like history, seems to be a moving target. If 10 million people want to go see a skin site and one 50 go view the Vatican’s site, based on a set of search terms, that doesn’t make the Vatican site more popular because someone believes it to be more “truthful.” It makes a mockery of the concept of being useful In your search for information. The odds are that if 10 million people are going to the skin site off your search terms, the information you are seeking, judging by those terms, will be found there.

April 9, 2015 12:23 am

McKibben’s 350.org is for fracking. Frack, baby Frack.
Now Google that.

TJA
Reply to  Bubba Cow
April 9, 2015 6:43 pm

Fracking enables wind power. Fracking shut down Vermont Yankee. Fracking cuts CO2 emissions. What’s not to like? IDK, ask a greenie.

Jaime Jessop
April 9, 2015 12:32 am

The World Wide Web has for long been a double-edged sword, capable of both expanding and enlightening awareness on a huge diversity of issues but also of misinforming and creating bias where none should exist. You have to be in possession of quite rigorous personal psychological filters to sift through this deluge of information and sort ‘fact’ from fantasy, what ‘is’ as opposed to what others would have you believe. It looks like Google are now intent on permanently blunting one edge of that sword.

TJA
Reply to  Jaime Jessop
April 9, 2015 6:44 pm

RIght, sure, but which edge?

April 9, 2015 12:34 am
David A
Reply to  Bubba Cow
April 9, 2015 6:15 am

Bubba, over time while using Google my computer slowed terribly. Posting comments got so bad that I often lost the site I was on when I posted. I thought I had a virus, or in my paranoia I thought that Google was annoyed by my skeptical CAGW comments. (sarc, ??) Anyway I switched to Duck Duck Go. Wow, what a difference! My sites load FAR faster, and my comments now post. I highly recommend this site.

Reply to  David A
April 9, 2015 7:06 am

Same here.

commieBob
Reply to  Bubba Cow
April 9, 2015 9:17 am

Amen Bubba Cow!

DuckDuckGo (DDG) is a Internet search engine that emphasizes protecting searchers’ privacy and avoiding the filter bubble of personalized search results.[1] DuckDuckGo distinguishes itself from other search engines by not profiling its users and by deliberately showing all users the same search results for a given search term.[4] DuckDuckGo emphasizes getting information from the best sources rather than the most sources, generating its search results from key crowdsourced sites such as Wikipedia and from partnerships with other search engines like Yandex, Yahoo!, Bing, and Yummly.[5][6]

That all sounds good and it probably is, for the time being.
I remember being impressed by Google’s motto “Don’t be evil”. Given how Google tracks everything we do and steals our data, I think we can argue that it is now just as evil as any other corporate juggernaught.
I like the fact that DuckDuckGo doesn’t track me. I hope it stays that way and I hope that they don’t find an even more insidious way to be evil. Ah well, Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
Reply to  Bubba Cow
April 9, 2015 12:32 pm

The problem we have in Britain, is that Google is very US-centric. Even if you request a UK search, you almost always get US results on the first or second page. I hope the UK version of this duckduckgo is genuinely that. I’m going to give it a try.
We have to put up with US spelling and grammer as well – in anything computer-based. It’s very annoying for a pedant like me.

DDP
Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
April 9, 2015 2:12 pm

Meh…I’m a bit more irritated by Google censoring information from UK searches upon an individual’s request thanks to the perpetual meddling of the EU, than a simple ‘color’ over ‘colour’.

Crikey Mikey
Reply to  Bubba Cow
April 9, 2015 11:09 pm

I’ve been using Startpage, “The World’s Most Private Search Engine”, for a couple of years now. Works for me. Don’t like being tracked.

April 9, 2015 1:02 am

It’s already happening, actually.
I did an experiment about six months ago.
I googled some fairly common climate science phrases (e.g. ‘global warming’) plus “Watts Up With That” and then the same phrases plus the names of several climate believing sites.
In every case the first page of the climate believing sites came up with all links to those sites.
The Watts Up With That links were all less than 50% Watts Up WIth That, and the rest were either climate believing sites masquerading as wattsupwiththat.com, or climate believing sites offering the other point of view.
Google is extremely biased and it is quite worrying.

Reply to  Panda
April 9, 2015 3:20 am

I can confirm that Panda….has been like that for years. We are playing against a stacked deck…only the reality on the ground is going to kill this nwo agw beast!

Owen in GA
Reply to  Panda
April 9, 2015 6:13 am

We need to watch how we express our thoughts here. I believe (shouldn’t speak for everyone) that everyone here believes in the climate. So I don’t know what a “climate believing” site might be if not this one. I know you meant CAGW or CACC believing site, as if you had simply said “Climate Change Believing Site” that also would have encompassed most if not all of the people on this site. It is only the cause, changing how much and how fast, and whether or not it is dangerous that is in contention. Climate always changes, that is the only thing about climate that does not change.

George Tetley
April 9, 2015 1:06 am

Who was it that said,
” TRUTH IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER” ?

Ian Macdonald
April 9, 2015 1:17 am

Last time I read a New Scientist issue almost every single article contained climate change propaganda, regardless of actual subject. Considering they must have lost a fair chunk of their loyal readership over this policy, I imagine that someone must be giving them a handout worth more than the lost sales.

Hivemind
Reply to  Ian Macdonald
April 9, 2015 5:48 am

I don’t read New Scientist any more. It just isn’t worth it. Very expensive and little actual science, more like publicity releases.

Jaime Jessop
April 9, 2015 1:28 am

Duckduckgo searches should in theory produce less biased results because the search engine does not record a history of searches from your IP address and therefore does not filter search results according to your ‘personal preferences’ – or what Google thinks are your personal preferences.
So ‘truth’ with Google has always been tailored to fit the demands of the ‘truth’ seeker in some respects. It seems from what Ron is saying that Google is now wanting to tailor ‘truth’ to fit the demands of an overarching political agenda and that this filtering will definitely be prioritised over any subsequent personalisation of search results.

Gavin
Reply to  Jaime Jessop
April 9, 2015 5:25 am

Google is the default search engine on my work pc, I use DuckDuckGo at home. I have found no disadvantage to DuckDuckGo.

Reply to  Jaime Jessop
April 9, 2015 3:22 pm

With Google heavily invested in green energy this shouldn’t be a big surprise. Where are the anti-trust people when you need them? They destroyed AT&T unnecessarily. Google appears to be in a conflict of interest so a good candidate for anti-trust. But being from Canads, I don’t know the rules.

Gamecock
Reply to  Wayne Delbeke
April 9, 2015 6:47 pm

“They destroyed AT&T unnecessarily.”
What on earth do you mean?

troshelmat
April 9, 2015 1:30 am

I’m sure it must get on Google’s wick every time i get email from WUWT & other sites that dare to question & I love that I do that, (so far these emails haven’t been blocked, if that were to occur I’d change email providers) …..

April 9, 2015 1:32 am

If Google tries to censor information it will be setting up its own version of the Great Firewall. In that case it will lose business.

April 9, 2015 1:42 am

I gave up on Google some time ago and use Bing now. Rarely do I use Google unless I want to double check a search result.

CodeTech
Reply to  Will Nitschke
April 9, 2015 2:10 am

This.
Also, google is better at searching for phone numbers. For some reason Bing always thinks I’m trying to use it as a calculator.
But google showed their blatant and disgusting bias and manipulation years ago. I don’t use anything that gives google money, and advise all of my clients to switch away from them too.
Except my phone. Curse Android for being the best phone option right now.

Reply to  CodeTech
April 9, 2015 3:42 am

The only thing Google is currently better at is when I want to download a free version of a software package (AVG, Cute PDF, FilleZilla). Bing seems to throw up a lot of secondary sites, not the software developer’s site as the first hit. So I usually use Google for that at the moment. But 99.9% of the rest of my searches go through Bing now.

CodeTech
Reply to  CodeTech
April 9, 2015 4:23 am

Actually, Will, as a web developer I can say that many of my sites have been removed from Google over the last few months as they force web sites to be “mobile friendly”, and from what I can see the majority of business sites, with a large investment in legacy infrastructure, are not ready for the large expense of “mobile friendly” conversions.
In fact, I have 3 contracts on the go right now from sites annoyed that their former search results have dropped because of this initiative, as Google flexes their giant muscles to “make the world better” by screwing up what literally millions of people have spent billions of hours building.
To quote the show “Silicon Valley”, “f’ing billionaires”.

Jeff
Reply to  CodeTech
April 9, 2015 6:29 am

Google Voice is really good. No charge in the US/Canada for phone calls and one cent/minute calls to the UK. Call quality excellent. They do video calls, PC to PC, too.

John Salmond
April 9, 2015 1:55 am

a great big lie at core of story about truth ‘some sincerely believe are true, and some sincerely believe are false’ yes, 97pc and 3pc respectively

April 9, 2015 1:56 am

I have long since stopped using Google and Bing because of their slant on things.
I now use duckduck, Yahoo, and dogpile
I found it amazing when I first started researching climate change, searches on Google only found alarmist websites. Even searching for specifics still returned alarmist sites. This was ten years ago. It has got worse, not better since.
I dare anyone to use the same search string on the top five search engines and see how much they differ. Then use some of the independent or even dark net search engines and see just how different the same search string yields…

hunter
Reply to  Sean P Chatterton
April 9, 2015 3:22 am

Thanks. I will start looking to change. Google is behaving like the bad guy in Snowcrash.

Glenn999
Reply to  Sean P Chatterton
April 9, 2015 10:40 am

I use Ixquick and just started trying out duckduckgo

Reply to  Sean P Chatterton
April 9, 2015 4:25 pm

That is why I used to use dogpile a lot. You could compare results of different search engines. Quite astounding at times.

dennisambler
April 9, 2015 2:00 am

Where’s the surprise? Gore is a “senior adviser” to Google.

Reply to  dennisambler
April 9, 2015 9:15 am

Didn’t Gore push for releasing satellite spy pictures way back when? Now we have Google Earth and Gore is a senior advisory.

knr
April 9, 2015 2:21 am

Google’s “facts,” so their looking to take on Wiki , no real surprise and just like them you can expect ‘facts’ to be rather a lose term hows meaning depends on a great deal of issues not ‘fact based ‘ at all.

Alan the Brit
April 9, 2015 2:23 am

Dear Panda, et al,
Can we all please try to stop using ambiguous & misleading language such as “climate believing” & the like! I think the overwhelming majority who comment on this site believe in “climate”, AND “climate change”. It is the attribution of cause that is of issue here. It is the true warmist “deniers” who use langauge such as “climate deniers” through their ignorance & arrogance, & of course their intent on aligning those of us who have sincere doubts about man’s depth of involvement in climate change, with those sad people who deny the Holocaust. Please think about your terminology. Thank you.

Owen in GA
Reply to  Alan the Brit
April 9, 2015 6:24 am

I didn’t see yours when I posted mine above. I said almost the same thing with completely different words. I would say that WUWT is one of the leading climate believing sites on the web. The CC part of CACC is not the part in contention it is the “how much change?”, “how fast will it change?”, “what caused the change?”, and “is it dangerous?” questions that we contend that the nonconsensus consensus has the wrong answers for or at least have not proven.

Pauvre Papillon
April 9, 2015 2:25 am

It’s not just the climate change issue. Google has biased their search results against freedom and free enterprise for years. If someone would come with a search engine which was not biased toward the protection of The Ruling Class, they would quickly gain market share much like Fox News has gained viewers against the other so-called news networks which are in reality the propaganda apparatus of the Fascist Democrat Party.

Jeff
April 9, 2015 2:26 am

The simple fact that Schmidt ran Obama’s turnout operation in 2012 shows how this is going to turn out. The tech oligarchs are almost unanimously liberal, and working to the same end because of common beliefs, they have the power to control information as firmly as Stalin ever did. We can’t avoid Google and Apple and Microsoft. If you want a smartphone, it will almost surely be running their software. They read your e-mail, they know what sites you visit. Anybody who trusts them to be unbiased is a fool. And you can count on them to champion liberal causes, and to smear and disappear information that conflicts with those causes.

hunter
Reply to  Jeff
April 9, 2015 3:18 am

What you describe could easily be confused with fascism and for good reason.

emsnews
Reply to  Jeff
April 9, 2015 6:02 am

Actually the real reason is…they all live on the warmer than usual West Coast!!!
This is why they are convinced we have global warming because this small sliver of the planet is the entire world for them all. They think the rest of us living in Ice Age Land are insane and lying about the weather.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Jeff
April 9, 2015 10:06 am

Not to worry. The left coast is slowly self destructing. With their ultra-liberal-socialist and environmental-mafia policies they are slowly spoiling their own nest. Thousands are bailing out annually for other parts of the country. For example, more than 363,000 Californians have moved to Texas over the past five years. It just a shame they haven’t wait around long enough to learn from their mistakes and wind up trying to install the same failing policies in (Californicating) the new location.

Rob Dawg
April 9, 2015 2:30 am

Try googling how much Al Gore is paid as a Senior Adviser to Google.

Michael D
Reply to  Rob Dawg
April 9, 2015 12:55 pm

Holy crap. I thought you were joking…

Reply to  Rob Dawg
April 9, 2015 2:16 pm

Rob D
Added this to the Wikipedia [so good even I can edit it – except for Al Gore’s page] Al Gore ‘Talk’ page: –
The Gore Effect
“The Gore Effect, an informal and satirical term alleging a causal relationship between unseasonable cold weather phenomena and global warming activism is named after Gore. CNN meteorologist Rob Marciano describes use of the effect as a mere running gag among weather forecasters.[225]”
Many folk who use this phrase use it only for occasions when he former Vice President is actually at a major CAGW conference – and there’s four feet of snow – in August, in Death Valley [yeah – the last two phrases are /sarc]. Sorry. But some see the coincidence – or, perhaps, the Climate Gods’ intent . . . . . 2113Z 09 April 2015 – 81.159.208.92 (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
– in the last five minutes.
I wonder whether this will still be there is – say – a month . . . .
Auto

son of mulder
April 9, 2015 2:32 am

When is a fact not a fact? The attached reference contains analysis about fact decay and the half-life of facts. Google are onto a loser.
http://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/tv/qi/episodes/11/7/
If they claim they are reporting facts than we should be able to sue when it turns out the “fact” is wrong.

wendy
Reply to  son of mulder
April 9, 2015 2:43 am

My understanding they are going to rate searches according to accuracy. I don’t think they are reporting anything.

hunter
Reply to  son of mulder
April 9, 2015 3:15 am

“To do a great evil, one must be convinced they are doing a great good.”
Censorship is always based, so the censors say, on the idea of making sure the people are only exposed to the truth.
Google is not only huge, their leadership is extremely active and influential politically.
And they are overtly picking one side in their political efforts.
Climate science is going to suffer if this censorship takes place, but that will only be the tip of the iceberg.
This will not end well for anyone in the long run, but in the short run this could be really bad for minority points of view on any issue. We are on the edge of a brave new world in the worst sense of the concept.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  son of mulder
April 9, 2015 10:09 am

There are no ‘Facts’! There are only statements with a high or low probability of being correct. The probability of ‘zero’ nor ‘one’ exists, except the probability of ‘one’ is ‘zero’. Any good scientists knows this.

Reply to  Joe Crawford
April 9, 2015 11:21 am

Facts are defined. Now you can argue that it isn’t 100% probable that you exist, but the definition is inside this manifest universe.

Bloke down the pub
April 9, 2015 2:54 am

And if, in a few years time, global temperatures start to tumble, you can guarantee that all the alarmist stuff that Google has been promoting will disappear down an hole.

April 9, 2015 3:18 am

Reblogged this on Utopia – you are standing in it! and commented:
If Google is going to define truth, it should first of all test its algorithm with various historical controversies to see how they go in balancing the different threads of evidence and incomplete and conflicting information about what happened, what motivated whom and what were the intended and unintended consequences of various actions.

hunter
April 9, 2015 3:20 am

This was posted as a reply but was supposed to be a stand alone comment. I apologize for posting it twice.
“To do a great evil, one must be convinced they are doing a great good.”
Censorship is always based, so the censors say, on the idea of making sure the people are only exposed to the truth.
Google is not only huge, their leadership is extremely active and influential politically.
And they are overtly picking one side in their political efforts.
Climate science is going to suffer if this censorship takes place, but that will only be the tip of the iceberg.
This will not end well for anyone in the long run, but in the short run this could be really bad for minority points of view on any issue. We are on the edge of a brave new world in the worst sense of the concept.

ECB
April 9, 2015 3:21 am

I tested this on duck and google: “most used internet site for global warming discussion”
Google gave me a hit on WUWT that was 4 items down, duck 13 items down.
Sorry, but with that simple search, I doubt the hypothesis of Google downplaying WUWT.
Please report your own tests.

hunter
Reply to  ECB
April 9, 2015 3:28 am

We are on a long journey. Don’t confuse the current scenery with the final destination.

ECB
Reply to  ECB
April 9, 2015 3:57 am

Sorry Hunter, but in imo you are using this BB for your own agenda, not facts. Please provide evidence, as this ‘should’ be a science based BB.

hunter
Reply to  ECB
April 9, 2015 8:14 am

For me the point of the article is to discuss the trajectory of Google. In other words what is Google planning for the future, not what they are currently doing. And Google, with its priveleged access to this White House, and decidely unbalanced view of how American political dialog should take place, is worth watching.

Lars P.
Reply to  ECB
April 11, 2015 12:59 pm

Nice try ECB.
Is WUWT not having in the title: .”the world’s most viewed climate website”. So searching by “most used internet site for global warming discussion” is biased search.
Why don’t you try a simple “global warming discussion” then you find WUWT on what page? was on page 15 for me. And what was on page 1? first position wikipedia, second SkS
But yes, when you make a specific selection you might get lucky isn’t it?

Jaime Jessop
Reply to  ECB
April 9, 2015 4:22 am

If you change ‘used’ to ‘viewed’, WUWT comes second on ddg search – after Wiki. On Google it comes first, so what does this prove really? Only that the way a search is worded is crucial to the results. Interestingly, your comment above on this particular post appears second in my google search, but this may be a fluke.

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