Guest Post by Bob Tisdale
Roger Pielke, Jr. is not a skeptic of human-induced global warming, as we all know. Pielke Jr. is being investigated, however, for the “crime” of presenting data that disagree with alarmists who make bogus claims about weather and weather-related losses.
See Roger’s post I am under “Investigation”, in which he discusses the investigation by US Representative Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ), the ranking member of the House of Representatives Committee on Environment and Natural Resources. Pielke, Jr.’s “crime”:
Prof. Roger Pielke, Jr., at CU’s Center for Science and Technology Policy Research has testified numerous times before the U.S. Congress on climate change and its economic impacts. His 2013 Senate testimony featured the claim, often repeated, that it is “incorrect to associate the increasing costs of disasters with the emission of greenhouse gases.”
Roger notes in his post:
The letter goes on to note that John Holdren, President Obama’s science advisor, “has highlighted what he believes were serious misstatements by Prof. Pielke.” (For background on this see here and here.) My 2013 testimony to the Senate is here and House is here in pdf (Q&A following hearing here and here). The testimony was the basis for my recent book on Disasters & Climate Change.
Remarkably, Pielke, Jr.’s 2013 Senate testimony (here) is basically a data presentation which shows:
- Globally, weather-related losses have not increased since 1990 as a proportion of GDP (they have actually decreased by about 25%).
- Insured catastrophe losses have not increased as a proportion of GDP since 1960.
- Hurricanes have not increased in the US in frequency, intensity or normalized damage since at least 1900.
- There are no significant trends (up or down) in global tropical cyclone landfalls since 1970 (when data allows for a comprehensive perspective), or in the overall number of tropical cyclones.
- Floods have not increased in the US in frequency or intensity since at least 1950.
- Flood losses as a percentage of US GDP have dropped by about 75% since 1940.
- Tornadoes have not increased in frequency, intensity or normalized damage since 1950, and there is some evidence to suggest that they have actually declined.
- Drought has “for the most part, become shorter, less frequent, and cover a smaller portion of the U. S. over the last century.”
Again, Roger presented graphs of data that support his statements.
Yet, somehow, presenting data that contradict alarmist hype is worthy of an investigation by an elected US representative—an investigation that has so far been a waste of Roger’s time, the time of the President of the University of Colorado Boulder, and, of course, the time of US Representative Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ).
Roger notes how this has also impacted his research and may impact others:
The incessant attacks and smears are effective, no doubt, I have already shifted all of my academic work away from climate issues. I am simply not initiating any new research or papers on the topic and I have ring-fenced my slowly diminishing blogging on the subject. I am a full professor with tenure, so no one need worry about me — I’ll be just fine as there are plenty of interesting, research-able policy issues to occupy my time. But I can’t imagine the message being sent to younger scientists. Actually, I can: “when people are producing work in line with the scientific consensus there’s no reason to go on a witch hunt.”
As Andrew Montford notes in his post Why you can’t trust climatology at BishopHill:
Roger has always struck me as one of the most robust participants in the climate debate. When someone as thick-skinned as he is is forced out then it really does tell you something about the trustworthiness of what climatologists and the IPCC tell us.
The word is “nugatory”, I think.
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With the Republicans in the majority in the House of Representatives, I am surprised to read that a Democrat remains the Head of any committee in the House.
I wonder why Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ) hasn’t been replaced and this investigation dropped?
It’s coming.
Yr: “it’s coming”
A prescient comment. Concise. KISS (KeepItSimpleStupid). Corroboration? Rabett Run blog-post “Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics–Hijinks 4”, February 23, 2015 blog-post comment by a certain Everette F. Sargent, in relation to Prof. “Willie” Soon:
“His wife [Prof Soon’s] (who looks like the Willard Anthony Watts sans the Village People ‘stache)? His his offspring who looks like the Village People with ‘stache?”
So what sort of “ideology” would compel someone like Everette F. Sargent to make fun of the personal appearance of another man’s wife and son? Let me add that in another comment, the Sargent, snout-piece hive-orifice advises that he’s “retired” so he hardly has the excuse that he’s some sort of “dumb kid” being stupid. Rather, Sargent’s remarks, we can well imagine, are the product of a well-considered, life-long immersion in the hive’s group-think, and all that implies.
And what to think of Eli Rabbet who would permit such a comment on his blog? While previously I had estimated Eli to be a crusty, ol’ fart lefty of the old-school–tough, bare-knuckles, stand-up,–but infused with a sense of bourgeois-nostalgic decency, I now see otherwise. My clarified perception is that he’s a contemptible, low-life piece of bunny, loose-stool, whatever-it-takes lefty-scat.
Professor Soon’s family has never been promoted as public persons, Eli and Sargent, you slime-ball pieces of shit! So where do you you two lefty-puke assholes get off on going after a man’s wife and children?
C’mon over to this blog (I’m sure Watts will permit the same) and let’s have it out, scum-bags! Double dare you!, Fuck You!!, and “YO MOMMA!!!”
He’s not the chairman, but the ranking Dem member. Still has power.
Rob Bishop of UT is the chairman.
No “investigation” occurs without consent of the relevant committee chairman. Subpoenas cannot be issued without his consent either. No cooperation with Grijalva is necessary business of this committee.
Here’s a link to the list of subcommittee members and chairmen/women-if one of them is from your district, send them an email or give them a call!
http://naturalresources.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398008
Keep in mind, that Grijalva can do whatever he likes on his own, but I yet to read anywhere that the “House Committee” is investigating Pielke. This is a witch hunt directly from Grijalva’s office, nowhere else.
The only thing that Grijalva can do with out the approval of the committee is issue press releases. His ridiculous letters have as much official force as those fund raising solicitations with all kinds of stamps and seals on them. If you trash canned one of Grijalva’s letters no harm would come to you. Same thing if you wrote “Sod Off, Swampy” in large green marker letters and sent it back to him.
He’s not the head, just the ranking member.
The “ranking member” of a committee is not the head of the committee but rather the most senior member of the minority party.
Sorry, my bad.
Guess I just didn’t understand how “rank” he is.
/grin
“He ranks among the highest in Rome” [Life Of Brian]
Raul is a pretty pathetic partisan. In comparison to the other Libs in Congress, he makes E Warren look downright reasonable. But he has very limited ability to do anything of substance on the committee, as a minority member. His only ability is too be a mouthpiece for Holdren on the committee.
This is merely part of a coordinated effort to suppress the CAGW skepticism from scientists who may be considering speaking up. They’ll just have to look at Soon and Pielke Jr. harrassment. The dirty tricks coming at skeptic academics will get worse as Congress begins to investigate the temperature record adjustments by NASA and NOAA.
Admad February 25, 2015 at 8:02 am
“He ranks among the highest in Rome” [Life Of Brian]
Sorry Adman, with the speech impediment the quote is,
‘He wanks amongst the highest in Wome.’
Just a little bit different.
old44 – I was just trying to spare the blushes of any sensitive souls who may be passing! Love the film though, in my humble opinion the funniest ever made.
Totally offtopic, but use of British slang took me back ten years to Kandahar. At twilight, as chow hounds of all nations trudged to the DFAC (mess hall), Oregon & Nevada National Guard Chinook air crew & a reporter hid in concrete blast shelters while jerking a wooden snake across the dark rocks with which the base was covered. One startled British troopie exclaimed, “Bloody Yank wankers!”
Mind you, would Pachauri be cast as “Biggus Dickus”?
Sillius Soddus
Pielke and Soon are aimed to make us forget about Pachauri, the alleged SEXUAL predator of a young Indian woman. He’ll be back.
I think you give them too much credit, they never saw this coming, and now that the ship has been holed below the water line, it’s gonna be every man for himself.
Just give it a minute or two.
Ranking member: from the minority.
He is the ranking (most senior of minority party) member, not the chairman.
He’s the “ranking member.” All that means is that he’s the minority member whose snout has been in the trough longer than any other Democrat on the committee. The chairman of the committee is Rob Bishop R – UT.
Write your representatives and Rob Bishop R – UT and complain. If enough WUWT readers take action there will be action.
Grijalva is correctly identified as “ranking” committee member, which means head of the Dem minority. As such, he has some (limited) discretion and funds to pursue his witch hunts.
Actually, he’s a “ranking member”. The Chair is John Kline (R-MN). Grijalva is merely an “ex-officio” on the sub-committees. There are no Democrats running any House Committee of Sub-Committee. Given the GOP’s caving on issues like the current DHS funding theater, a casual observer could think otherwise.
Obtw, if you’ve failed to notice, the Democrats and the greens have kicked off their run up to the 2016 campaign beginning with the hit piece by the NYT regarding Dr. Wei-Hock Soon of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. They’re (elected Democrat politicians) demainding universities provide emails of any heretic along with MSM hit pieces on same.
How the heretics are responding is what’s the issue. Pielke caved. Most will follow. The theme, familar to most by now, is if you disagree with them then you must have been bribed due to funding and here’s something that looks like proof of your corruption. They follow a modification of the old legal mime of “if the facts support you, argue the facts. If the facts don’s support you, smear the witness.”
After all, it’s is merely political campaigning. For those that cave in, you’ve lost the campaign. Maybe forever.
Holdren
Holdren. Yes, but who is actively and with confidential purpose providing the counseling to Holdren?
In answer to my own question, it seems that all this smacks of the disturbing meme advocated in the book ‘Merchants of Doubt’.
John
This Holdren? Great. 🙁
“Holdren has previously stated that the United States and the rest of the world have too many people, a population bomb that technology can’t defuse.
“Dr. Holdren has a record only surpassed by his longtime collaborator Paul Ehrlich for spreading misinformation and making failed predictions,” Myron Ebell, director of international energy and global warming policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.
“In addition, Dr. Holdren has advocated a wide array of despicable policies, such as mandatory population control, and was a willing stooge of the Soviet Union as a member for several decades of the Pugwash Conference (and of which he was chairman when it was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995),” Ebell added. “John Holdren is therefore the perfect “science diplomat” for an administration that peddles junk science and supports policies that will make poor people, and especially poor people in poor countries, poorer. As President Obama’s science diplomat, he can now advocate for global impoverishment on a global stage.”
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/04/obama-science-diplomat-advocated-for-population-control/
Well Dr. Pieike -You are now among the likes of Galileo . What next? the good representative will say that the Earth is Orbited by the sun?
Perhaps it’s not so bad as Galileo, suppose it ends like Bruno!!
It will not be long before we regress to the standards of Saudi education, where they do indeed get taught that the Sun orbits the Earth. (Because that is what it says in the Koran. But the Koran is perfect and infallible, as you all know…….)
Saudi cleric explaining how the Earth cannot rotate:
Ralph
He was burned on that one.
>>He was burned on that one
Yeah. But the problem is – this is how the Saudi (and much of the eastern) education system works. It is a worry.
I suspect the reason why the US Representative Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ) wants an investigation is because he cannot believe that Climastrologists has exaggerated wild weather claims. He thought tax Dollars were being spent on climate science, instead it was spent on voodoo, witchcraft and rat entrails. On the matter of witches we have this:
Say, here’s some Huge Funding from Big Oil!
http://notrickszone.com/2015/02/09/long-list-of-warmist-organizations-scientists-haul-in-huge-money-from-big-oil-and-heavy-industry/#sthash.excdcwHz.WFxpv9UB.dpbs
This is just a Democratic response to the congressional hearings into NASA altering weather station data that will be held later.
That seems to be probably correct.
Ds getting their pre-taliation in good & early, in other words; trying to blow up a cloud of (Bull)dust, to obscure their own (side’s) exaggeration, suppression of truth, suggestion of misinformation, and – conceivably – downright lies.
Watermelon politics as usual, I gather.
Auto
McCarthyism is alive and well.
If those in climate “science” have to resort to such scummy behaviour, then how can anyone ever trust these people again!
Confused,
Good analogy–except you’re wrong in using “McCarthyism” as an epithet.
McCarthy’s accusations were, essentially, correct.
The State Department, DOD, and other agencies of the executive branch were full of communists.
McCarthy’s error was in under-estimating the extent of the communist and Willing Accomplice presence in the government.
His other error was in ignoring the infiltration of Willing Accomplices, who are, by definition, dedicated to the destruction of Normal-America, into the three domains of American cultural transmission: the media, education/academia, and Hollywood.
So, if you’re accusing the House Democrats of “McCarthyism,” you’ve got your weapon pointed the wrong way.
The Democrats, heirs to the whole “McCarthyism” smear campaign that impugned Sen McCarthy’s reputation for all time, are the masters of the denigration/smear/intimidation tactics based on lies and half-truths.
For more details, see Stan Evan’s masterful exploration of McCarthy and his attackers, “Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America’s Enemies”:
http://humanevents.com/2007/11/13/stan-evans-has-produced-masterpiece-of-truth-about-joe-mccarthy/
+1
And the interesting thing about McCarthy is that he didn’t even want them fired. He only wanted and eye kept on them and moved to jobs that had no influence and no possible access to sensitive material. Kind of like Obama’s job now where his only access to “intelligence” seems to be reading about stuff that happens in the world in the morning paper or seeing it on MSNBC.
Nice historical summary re McCarthy and the communists= radical leftists= progressives who smeared him.
Except that history and FOIA now confirm that MaCarthy was right. And the people he was “outing” were the likes of the U.N., socialist agenda, CFR, and what has now emerged as the force behind the entire global warming scam….errrr…..crisis of opportunity. See AGENDA 21 for the culmination of what McCarthy was trying to prevent. See ICLEI for the bottom up approach and the CFR for the top down. ConfusedPhoton, no disrespect intended but you are confused; as you are defending a smear against a legitimate scientist by defending alarmists…because you are incorrectly falling for the smear against McCarthy, the last official to try to stand up against the United Nations NWO and what has become the Global Warming/Climate Change orthodoxy.
No, history tells us a large number of people were falsely accused and others were forced to make false accusations with threats of being blacked. There is no smear against mcCarthy as it was a very dark period in US history!
McCarthy was right, ConfusedPhoton. We know this now because of intelligence docs released by the Soviets. There really were Commie spies infiltrating government and public institutions and McCarthy has been falsely smeared by the same stripe of Lib/Totalitarians as are hounding Pielke Jr. But go ahead, drink the Koolaid and slip back into the Matrix Coma you seem to enjoy. The truth isn’t always pretty, but it is the truth.
Photon that’s so Confused.
Alive and well, but real confused about history.
1) See if you can spot the error. Senator McCarthy / House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). House members (who serve on House Committees) are titled Representative.
2) But Rankin, a committee member and a devout segregationist and anti-communist, outmaneuvered House leaders and introduced a resolution to confer HUAC full, standing status at the opening of the 79th Congress (1945–1947). Make-up of the 79th Congress
244 Democrats
189 Republicans
1 American-Labor
1 Progressive
Dems in control
3) The film industry investigations reached their peak with the events surrounding the Hollywood Ten, a group of writers and directors who were called to testify in October 1947. – Repb in control , playing by Dems rules.
The Commie spies have now infiltrated the White House.
Confused…you really are confused. You are conflating the issues of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee with the activities of SENATOR Joe McCarthy. I am always amazed at the legs this lie has had. A SENATOR has nothing to do with the activities of a committee of the House of Representatives. The folks in the HOR really went overboard in some of their questioning techniques and rhetoric. All those newsreel scenes of actors and others were at the HOUSE committee. The senator made a number of fiery speeches but didn’t “Blacklist” anyone. The US Government actually never “BLACKLISTED” any member of the public, that was done by individual industries (such as film production studios), though admittedly with the tacit approval of the HUAC.
Please read this, VENONA files: http://www.conservapedia.com/Venona_files
To be fair .. released intercepts showed McCarthy was correct.
Turns out the US Government was infested with communist spies
Read up on the Venona Intercepts
Not sure what this current nut has to say.. everything he said is fact
All true about VENONA, and most people didn’t need those transcripts to know that Hiss and The Rosenbergs were guilty as sin. It must also be admitted that Joe McCarthy was something of a punk and an incompetent. It is a crying shame that the job of ferreting out the Pinko fifth column in the US was left to him. But the true tragedy of that does have some purchase with the issue of Warmageddon. The true tragedy of the McCarthy era was that the Anti-Anti-Communists, those who, though they did oppose communism, could not bear to see their peers – who went to the same elite Eastern schools as they did, brought down by the likes of McCarthy and Nixon, men with the stink of the common on them. One need look no further to understand this aspect of the tale than the condescending aside of Hiss to Nixon: “My college was Harvard, I understand yours was Whittier.”
As Whittaker Chambers put it in his magnificent autobiography “Witness”:
No feature of the Hiss Case is more obvious, or more troubling as history, than the jagged fissure, which it did not so much open as reveal, between plain men and women of the nation, and those who affected to act, think and speak for them. It was, not invariably, but in general, the “best people” who were for Alger Hiss and who were prepared to go to almost any length to protect and defend him. It was the enlightened and the powerful, the clamorous proponents of the open mind and the common man, who snapped their minds shut in a pro-Hiss psychosis, of a kind which, in an individual patient, means the simple failure of the ability to distinguish between reality and unreality, and, in a nation, is a warning of the end.
Some similarities to current events can be readily deduced
@confusedphoton, read a book by a communist from Czechoslovakia from the early fifties called : “Not a shot fired” Jan Kozak the author was a high level bureaucrat that designed the infiltration of the West by using “refugees” etc . Find an excerpt on Google under his name a chilling bit of work of which we see the results today. It has been planned for over 70 years.
In chess parlance, I think we have begun the endgame.
Well, there does seem to be more than the usual flailing about, melodrama, accusations and spittle flying.
You may be right. Pachauri hasn’t exactly helped the Klimat Bewegung, lately. The question is how long the MSM can hold out–how long before some well-known reporter sees an opportunity to deliver a Woodward & Bernstein revelation of the naked emperors behind “climate science.” All it would take is the release of ONE memo from within a critical group. The Congressional investigation of the temperature record (and “my-dog-ate-the-archives” Phil Jones, who was, iirc, partly funded from US budgets) should get some welcome attention from all but the most Leftist press. Not a sure thing, yet, but there are a few more cracks in the hoax every week.
I’m sorry you are too optimistic.
Jimmy: I figure it’s the French Defence (there is one) – which will probably be called the Paris defence now. I quote: “The French Defence is one of the best known, and effective openings at black’s disposal.” It goes on to say: [It] made a case that the best ploy by white was to […] go for a space advantage and an attack on the king.”
More like the fool’s mate.
Hey, I just noticed that the first post in this thread was not by some Alarmist lunatic wacko!
Well, still a lunatic wacko, but it is a refreshing change.
/grin
JohnWho,
Are you insinuating that the tests came back positive? *teasing*
Self administered test, so no surprise here.
/grin
Yeah…but you have to be careful about those home kits…I hear the false positive is fairly common…:)
Hmmm…. I wonder why a representative up to his neck in CPUSA would be interested in bullying a scientist?
http://keywiki.org/index.php/Raul_Grijalva
Thanks for the link.
The insidious matsis of climate fanaticism is destroying our ability to think critically about any issue.
That Pielke has run away from this issue says a lot.
The climate cult mob is going to be as destructive as the eugenics cult mob before this is over.
Pielke, Curry, Soon. Pielke said he’s one of seven. Who are the other four?
Carter is one.
Legates, Christy, Lindzen, Curry, Balling, Hayward & Pielke. Here the Link to the letters send their respective Universities. It’s really weird stuff and a waste of time, more than anything else.
Letter to Georgia Tech:
As Ranking Member of the House Committee on Natural Resources, I have a constitutional duty
to protect the public lands, waters and resources of the United States and ensure that taxpayers
are able to enjoy them. I write today because of concerns raised in a recent New York Times
report and documents I have received that highlight potential conflicts of interest and failure to
disclose corporate funding sources in academic climate research. Understanding climate change
and its impacts on federal property is an important part of the Committee’s oversight plan.
As you may have heard, the Koch Foundation appears to have funded climate research by Dr.
Willie Soon of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, some of which formed the
basis of testimony before the U.S. House Committee on Science, Space and Technology and the
Kansas State Legislature’s House Energy and Environment Committee — funding that was not
disclosed at the time. Exxon Mobil, in response to an inquiry from the House Science
Committee, may have provided false or misleading information on its funding for Dr. Soon’s
work. Southern Services Company funded Dr. Soon’s authorship of several published climate
studies; Dr. Soon did not disclose this funding to many of those journals’ publishers or editors.
If true, these may not be isolated incidents. Professor Judith Curry at the School of Earth and
Atmospheric Sciences has testified multiple times before the U.S. Congress on climate change.’
Last year, in testimony before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, she
informed the panel that “The sense that extreme weather events are now more frequent and
intense is symptomatic of pre-1970 ‘weather amnesia.”‘
I am hopeful that disclosure of a few key pieces of information will establish the impartiality of
climate research and policy recommendations published in your institution’s name and greatly
assist me and my colleagues in making better law. Companies with a direct financial interest in
climate and air quality standards are funding environmental research that influences state and
federal regulations and shapes public understanding of climate science. These conflicts should be
clear to stakeholders, including policymakers who use scientific information to make decisions.
Read more
My perivous comment vanished.
The names are; Legates, Christy, Curry, Lindzen, Ballinger, Hayward & Pielke.
Here the link to the letters send to their respective Universities. (also posted downthread by another commenter)
Sorry Bob, but I can’t agree with the statement:
wasting… the time of US Representative Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ).
If he was not involved in this witch-hunt, he might instead be passing laws, making speeches or not answering media questions.
Although this is clearly wasting Roger’s time, almost anything else Raúl Grijalva might be doing would be at last as damaging, if not more so.
As a minority member of the House of Reps, flapping his gums in front of reporters and giving interviews is all Raul has. Passing legislation, or more importantly, being involved in writing the legislation that will pass, just isn’t available to a minority House member.
Anyone know who are the other 6 being investigated?
Judith Curry is on the list. But she can’t be intimidated, as Representative Griljava will eventually discover.
“Steve Goddard” (Tony Heller) is on the list.
David Jay,
Someone kindly posted a link to the “7” (gotta come up with a catch phrase). Interesting to note that funding seems to only be a concern on a certain “side” of the discussion. For me, when I seek “truth”, I found it to be beneficial to look everywhere and not just “over there”.
I feel for Dr. Pielke, Jr. having to deal with this, but cannot help but beleive that once this can of worms gets opened and opened wide there will be a broad open and honest discussion of the science. I only hope that one from the “alternative” side makes simliar formal requests to AGW supporters so much of the surrounding noise can be addressed.
My bad, not Steve Goddard. Real Science was quoting Roger Pielke Jr.
Danny, here are the letters:
http://democrats.naturalresources.house.gov/documents/letters-seven-universities-asking-documents-climate-change-research
Pethefin,
Thank you. Of note, to me, is who is left off the list.
Confused,
Good analogy–except you’re wrong in using “McCarthyism” as an epithet.
McCarthy’s accusations were, essentially, correct.
The State Department, DOD, and other agencies of the executive branch were full of communists.
McCarthy’s error was in under-estimating the extent of the communist and Willing Accomplice presence in the government.
His other error was in ignoring the infiltration of Willing Accomplices, who are, by definition, dedicated to the destruction of Normal-America, into the three domains of American cultural transmission: the media, education/academia, and Hollywood.
So, if you’re accusing the House Democrats of “McCarthyism,” you’ve got your weapon pointed the wrong way.
The Democrats, heirs to the whole “McCarthyism” smear campaign that impugned Sen McCarthy’s reputation for all time, are the masters of the denigration/smear/intimidation tactics based on lies and half-truths.
For more details, see Stan Evan’s masterful exploration of McCarthy and his attackers, “Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America’s Enemies”:
http://humanevents.com/2007/11/13/stan-evans-has-produced-masterpiece-of-truth-about-joe-mccarthy/
Roger Pielke did nothing more or less than present data consistent with the findings of the IPCC (AR5. WG1, chapter 2). The best science we have, I’m told.
Well Representative Grijalva,
(Animal House 1978, minor revisions)
(note, I in no way believe Roger to be sick or twisted, just part of the quoted skit)
Grijalva is blowing smoke. The Committee will NEVER vote to issue a subpoena (which would be a fishing expedition, anyway) as long as the Republicans are in control. Honestly, he has absolutely nothing to gain, and he has handed us a soapbox. He’s getting very bad internet on this and he’s powerless. It is noteworthy that he isn’t considered the sharpest thing in the House.
Further, if any university would volunteer the emails of anyone on this list, Chris Horner would be in court in five seconds forcing UVa to hand over Mike Mann’s.
I don’t think Raul really thought this one through.
I fully agree with Pat Michaels. In fact, this issue will get such a big play on the Blogs that I predict that the powers that be in the Democrat party will reign in Grijalva, especially with a significant election coming up next year. Personally, I hope these crack pot (aka Progressive) Dems keep coming with the Climate extremism so as to expose their agenda for the whole world to see.
Hear, hear. Thanks you.
rein in
horses, not kings
Despite their pretensions.
Didn’t GreenPeace just FOIA Willie Soon’s “private” e-mails? …and got them?
Well thanks to following these posts I now know that Grijalva is the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus which is heavily influenced (translates into receiving their their marching orders from?) by the radical Washington D.C. “think tank,” the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS).
There is no doubt where IPS stand on Climate issues: “That means we face a lost decade since the last attempt to broker an international climate treaty failed in 2009. At the same time, the climate science remains crystal clear about the need for urgent action.”
http://keywiki.org/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus
http://www.ips-dc.org/new-measures-avert-climate-disaster/
He’s a mega-prog; member of La Raza, MECha and the Raza Unida Party {making him a racist who desires an overthrow of the US government in the Southern border states}.
There is no surprise here. Raul Grijalva is and has been affiliated with the Communist Party, USA, for many years. Last year, I believe, a video journalist caught him coming out of a meeting in New York where he received an award for some good work for communism. He began his political career as a community organizer and race monger. If you are interested in proof of this simply google “Grijalva communist party.”
Despite his best efforts he has not been able to gain national attention even though he keeps being elected out of my congressional district. He probably sees an opportunity to gain some attention to himself by supporting the Warministas. He is a despicable piece of trash. He is also one of three congressionsal communist party affiliates from the state of Arizona. Shocked?
If you are interested in proof of this simply
googlesearch for “Grijalva communist party.”—————-
No reason to lend support to the CAGW camp.
Well, since most of the CAGW camp are also firmly in the Lefty, Nanny-State, Control-freak camp, Grijalva’s stance makes sense.
Hmmmm…. Who else do we know that’s a “community organizer”? And that same individual was once a leading member of the New Party.
All one has to do is study Chicago politics to understand what is going on. Al Capone set the system up in the 30’s. The US almost had it with JFK but he would not play ball once elected.
Interesting comment. Where is your congressional district?
I am in Grijalva’s district. There is a Republican woman, Gabby Saucedo Mercer, who ran against him this last term and made a close race out of it, but not close enough. If the Republican Party were smart, they would giver her heavy funding for campaigning next election. She might be able to unseat him with enough exposure.
Who are the other 2? Earnest, I notice that we both give our real and complete names if that influences your decision to respond.
Besides Grijalva, there is Kyrsten Sinema, and Ed Pastor. It may be hard to believe, but there is a strong local Communist Party in Arizona. The roots go back to a Lorenzo Torrez, who organized a labor union for the miners in Arizona. Most members are the Hispanic left.
Well said! He is a real tool of the left.
The big chill continues, …I write a column for a small local newspaper and the editor is terrified of running anything questioning the alarmist view as he will be figuratively beaten about the head and shoulders for days.
Also lose some advertising revenue
Behaviour worthy of Stalinist Russia. America should hang its head in shame
Good way to keep the inconvenient truth quiet. How many other scientists, university boards etc etc will this keep quiet? Denier, racist etc etc keeps a lot of people quiet…
What a difference 6 years has made…
I didn’t hear that Pielke was being charged with a crime, so let the senator do all the investigating he wishes. However, let us all make certain that the results of the senator’s investigation are presented for all to see. Facts, after all, are facts, and these sorts of “investigations” will help to dispel the rampant alarmism that is being spread about these days.
Grijalva is a minority member of the house, so besides bleating for open borders, this is about all he has to fill his time.
The problem with the investigating is what it does to the university and the researcher.
P. Jr. is discovering the consequences of being apostate in the cult. As did Bengtsson.
I beg to differ with your characterization of this being a waste of Grijalva’s time. Grijalva and his staff are being payed VERY well for all of their activities in this area.
Tom Steyer takes very good care of his friends. Especially those who are so willing to cravenly carry his water.
Found the list: http://democrats.naturalresources.house.gov/documents/letters-seven-universities-asking-documents-climate-change-research
Miss Liberty, I weep for thee…
And the first question will be:
“Are you now or have you ever been, a user of the WUWT website in the United States?”
R
Now that is scary but in today’s “climate” entirely a possibility!
Yup. The net neutrality act and Obama takeover of the internet and broadcast television. ralfellis, your words speak the truth for the near future.
This is what happens when science becomes politicized, and no longer strives to search for truth, but rather becomes an institution to achieve a political agenda.
Empirical evidence presented by true scientists that Is at odds with the political agenda is ridiculed, not because it is wrong, but rather because it is an inconvenient truth…
Samurai. This is just what President Eisenhower famously warned against.
well said
Maybe he should embrace the investigation as an opportunity to pull more blocks out of their Jinga tower.
I am incredibly saddened to see the blatant return of McCarthyism. Please don’t walk away Dr Pielke – the world needs your good counsel!
They should investigate people like Holdren that adhere to a false climate meme that has significant economic impact on the US, have him appear before Congress, and hold him in contempt of Congress.
Since Dr. Piltke has backed away from his work on the climate, the collusion of Dr. Holdren and this bozo Grijalva has had the intended consequences. Congress needs to censor Rep. Grijalva for his witch hunt.
More like the return of anti-McCarthyism. He was proven right when Soviet files opened.