Another carbon tax domino falls – South Korea goes cold on ETS

Watch the international dominos fall in the coming weeks. Prime Minister Abbott has demonstrated unswerving leadership on this, and deserves credit for doing so.

Concluding sentence of the above piece: “South Korea’s courageous stand against carbon madness raises hope that Australia’s rejection of carbon pricing will be the domino which topples any chance of global cooperation on CO2.”
Is it possible that it’s madness, or at least extraordinarily counter productive, to not address the radical change to the long term long lived greenhouse heat trapping gas concentration of the atmosphere, that, still growing at geologically breakneck speed, has collectively changed – increased – the concentration of long lived greenhouse gases to levels not seen on earth in several million years?
Is it possible that the issue is not being looked at objectively, but instead in a manner focused on finding ways to discredit the idea of climate change, not consider but simply find ways to attack or dismiss any points that don’t serve to discredit the great bulk of climate science, but yet is being confused with objectivity?
Here’s a perfect, but routine example, http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/17/australia-no-longer-a-carbon-tax-nation/#comment-1689228 with comment response. (The original comment that was being responded to, is here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/17/australia-no-longer-a-carbon-tax-nation/#comment-1689130
Is it possible that there is a desire to avoid perceived economic harm, which is the real fear here, possibly among other things, and that is powerfully driving a predetermined resistance to the basic science of climate change, and shaping it into a fealty toward any argument or study or idea, regardless of its logical application, that discredits the idea of climate change, while simultaneously finding ways to attack of dismiss any points that don’t serve to discredit the great bulk of climate science?

Well, well. The UN secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, and UN’s World Bank president, Jim Yong Kim, no longer convince even their own compatriot.

Mario Lento says:
July 19, 2014 at 1:19 am
John Carter: If it’s intent is good it’s not fascism? Seriously?
It’s a pretty bold move to read only the short first sentence of a piece, and then comment on it as if you know what the piece was actually saying.
You should go back and at least read the second sentence.
Or here, I’ll save you the trouble:
“If the Intent is good, it’s not Fascism.”
The above statement is not true, as, unfortunately, Fascism ultimately doesn’t have to have anything to do with intent, and much of it’s formation, often, doesn’t.” http://theworldofairaboveus.blogspot.com/2014/07/fascism.html
I do recommend reading it of course.

John Carter, the issue is that a monstrous scam has been simply revealed over time. As generality is thrust at us under the guise of some preponderance of evidence, the actual details of each point continue to fall apart under inspection. This suggests that not only is it a scam but that the hypothesis of massive water vapor amplification of the old school boring and beneficial greenhouse effect is now proven false. Are you even yet aware that the very basis of climate alarm pivots on this highly speculative positive feedback, hidden in supercomputer climate models? I’ll post this yet again today, for it makes a mockery of your armchair pop psychology outlook on climate alarm skepticism, since you know, you are helping promote a fraud and likely by now you damn well know it’s a fraud too:
http://s6.postimg.org/jb6qe15rl/Marcott_2013_Eye_Candy.jpg
After this fact of fraud is witnessed, you are clearly on the wrong side of civil debate, for you are cheerleading for Enron, basically. How embarrassing do you want to live your life is now the main question here.

phillipbratby says:
July 19, 2014 at 1:39 am
John Carter: Carbon dioxide is incapable of “trapping heat”.
I’m gonna refer you to my first comment above, and this from it
and shaping it into a fealty toward any argument or study or idea, regardless of its logical application, that discredits the idea of climate change, while simultaneously finding ways to attack of dismiss any points that don’t serve to discredit the great bulk of climate science?
Why else would you post that carbon dioxide is incapable of trapping heat in direct response – yet without a more detailed explanation of the actual air chemistry and physics involved. (Which, speaking in the vernacular, could be reasonably summarized as trapping heat inside the atmosphere, by thermal radiation (heat, from earth’s surface) absorption and re radiation in all directions, ultimately lessening the amount emitted back into space.)
I mean, I don’t see any other point of your post.
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My Real Science comment regarding Australia axing the Carbon Tax:
From now on, it’s going backwards for the fear mongering deceivers.
Arguably the leftist Chicken Littles had reached their high point at the end of 2008. At that point the USA had a president determined to push through a draconian cap & trade system that would cause energy prices to “skyrocket.” And they had super majorities in congress to boot. The meeting in Copenhagen at the end of 2009 would certainly create a rigid global system of strict controls on CO2 emissions and lifestyle. The future never looked so bright for the elitist Prophets of Doom.
But then…
Around 2009 people started to recognize that temperatures had been flat for over a decade. That wasn’t what their models had said would happen. And more and more people heard about the CO2 lag and the fact that the ipcc claim that it was proven that CO2 causes temperature change… was absolutely not true.
Then Climategate hit like a thousands tons of bricks.
Hide the Decline. “It’s a travesty that we can’t account for missing heat.” Tell Mike to delete all our emails… “Make sure we keep skeptics from getting published.” Etc etc, Climategate hit a month before Copenhagen, and derailed that. Cap & trade, that had just passed the US House and called for hellish 83% cuts in CO2, was also… dead in the water. While many duped conservatives had started to drift into the leftist camp, by a year after Climategate nearly all conservatives had seen the light. (Yeah, with big exceptions like Chris Christie.) And now more and more independents, and even Democrats, are starting to join us.
It’s true that the Carbon Tax passed after Climategate, and Obama has dictated painful CO2 controls through the EPA. But now any more progress for the doomers is going to be rare. Ultimately Obama’s EPA controls will be stricken down. And more and more people will see the temperature.. dropping, the ice… growing, the sea level… remaining the same, the data manipulations, the media’s bullsh!t, and the nutcase predictions of doom and runaway warming not coming true. Oh, and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_WyvfcJyg&info=GGWarmingSwindle_CO2Lag
It’s over folks. The warmists might as well start seriously thinking about abandoning this global warming climate change fiasco, and finding another scam to get their dream of de-industrialization foisted upon an unwilling public.

South Korea’s courageous stand against carbon madness raises hope that Australia’s rejection of carbon pricing will be the domino which topples any chance of global cooperation on CO2

I applaud both South Korea and Australia and their recent actions on this CO2 matter. Every little bit helps as they say. But I would not get too rambunctious in celebration, after all it is Europe and the U.S. that has spearheaded this madness from the 80’s until today. The U.S. empire can put a lot of pressure on other countries to vote “correctly” or to enact laws that the empire favors. Hence, getting the truth out there where the public can see it remains very important — the war on the lies of the alarmists continues.
To continue to “get the truth out there”, I think that many should read the latest post and comment thread on CO2 by “the best European weblog” of 2012 and 2014. The arguments by the physicists are a little hard to follow perhaps, but they were trying to keep it in plain English. Even I was able to gain a lot of insight, so I know most here would benefit.
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/what-back-radiation-does-and-doesnt-do/
As a final note, I grew up in a southern city were almost all homes were heated by burning coal in a furnace. After a snowfall the white snow would turn black from the pollution falling to the ground. We have cleaned up the environment a hell of a lot since the 60s and darn few people ever mention the many, many successes of the conservation movement in its early days before the madmen “environmentalists” took over with their wars on imaginary problems. Once upon a time the biggest problem in the south was all the cities putting untreated sewage water into the rivers that downstream cities had to clean up to use for their citizens. It is a darn sight better now!

CAGW is a monstrous lie,that amoral academics and politicians have been gleefully supporting because for them it means unbridled tax-salary-expenses possibilities,
Taxing free air – what a concept.
Except now, not only did Climategate expose the academic fraudsters, next their glorious projection models have all failed completely to support their fraud.
As for politicians they will like S Korea has done, obfuscate and mollify over time rather than tell the truth and cut BS NOW.
Domino’s? you bet, but more akin to rats and the sinking ship – of fools.