By Joe Bastardi and Anthony Watts (based on an email exchange)
This is interesting. NOAA is forecasting the months of August, September, and October of 2014 to have above normal Arctic Sea ice extent. As readers know, late September is typically the time of the Arctic Sea Ice minimum, and this year the NOAA forecast has it slightly above normal. Here is the NOAA forecast graph:
UPDATE: I no more than finished this post and NOAA had a new updated forecast for May 23rd, added below. (h/t Ric Werme)
For the last three May 12th forecasts, this year’s forecast for summer is the highest of them.
Source: http://origin.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2fcst/imagesInd3/sieMon.gif
Notice how much higher this is than last years forecast at this time:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2_fcst_history/201305/imagesInd3/sieMon.gif
And also higher than in 2012:

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2_fcst_history/201205/imagesInd3/sieMon.gif
The CFSV2 forecasting model was not on line before that, but if we then go to the Northern hemisphere sea ice plot from Cryosphere today we can see how significant this would be if summer came out with a positive anomaly.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
It appears that all summers since about 1996 have not had any positive anomalies. (see magnified view below)
At the very least if we get it positive and the melt season is the lowest since the AMO went warm it will be something that goes right at the heart of the arguments that recent Arctic sea ice deviations are entirely human caused.
In addition, given the Southern Hemisphere continues with well above normal sea ice, if it continues, it gives us a shot at a record breaking global sea ice in the satellite era.
On the other hand, it is a model forecast, and may not come to be. It will be interesting to watch though.
As always, check the WUWT Sea Ice Page for the latest information.
Here is the background on CFS:
The NCEP Climate Forecast System Version 2 (CFSv2)
The CFS version 2 was developed at the Environmental Modeling Center at NCEP. It is a fully coupled model representing the interaction between the Earth’s atmosphere, oceans, land and seaice. It became operational at NCEP in March 2011.
Please reference the following article when using the CFS Reanalysis (CFSR) data.
Saha, Suranjana, and Coauthors, 2010: The NCEP Climate Forecast System Reanalysis. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 91, 1015.1057. doi: 10.1175/2010BAMS3001.1
Please reference the following article when using the CFS version 2 Reforecast model or data
Saha, Suranjana and Coauthors, 2014: The NCEP Climate Forecast System Version 2 Journal of Climate J. Climate, 27, 2185–2208. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00823.1


![seaice.anomaly.arctic[1]](http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/seaice-anomaly-arctic1.png?resize=640%2C520&quality=75)

What will the El Nino contribute to this anomaly?
Thank you for this coverage, it *could get interesting* this next winter if sea ice has normalized and we have another cooler than average winter in the majority of the North American continent.
My only question is when does the Cali drought crack? Its getting hot and dusty again with out any real rain… again.
We’re in a drought for sure. The question again is, “What will the El Nino contribute to this drought —ending?”
That forecast is going to send shivers down some backs.
Off topic, but an unknown meteor shower is forecast for the Northern Hemisphere tonight. Well, we have not experienced it prior. More here.
http://www.spaceweather.com/
‘ … this year the NOAA forecast has it slightly above normal. ‘
Define ‘normal’
The “missing heat” is hiding (and very well) in the ice?
Time to move the goal post!
(Or maybe time to re-post the predictions about what the Arctic ice would do because of CAGW?)
View from the Solent says:
May 23, 2014 at 4:12 pm
‘ … this year the NOAA forecast has it slightly above normal. ‘
Define ‘normal’
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1979 to 2008 mean? You see, that was a period in which the average was anointed with what should be perfect, had man not come to thrive.
Professor Peter ‘hot head’ Wadhams is right on track for his ice-free Arctic ocean I see. I can’t help thinking whether he will be just like Dr. David Viner. It will be so sad to see such an esteemed Arctic specialist being ridiculed mercilessly in the years to come. I can understand if he just made a prediction once, but he kept going on and on about it.
I am waiting Peter Wadhams. 2 years and 4 months to go – at most.
Mario Lento says:
May 23, 2014 at 4:15 pm
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exactly….the Arctic ocean is about 14 million km2 (I think)….so there’s plenty of wiggle room…
move that normal line down a million km2….and we have too much ice again
and now that they are counting the shoreline….they can count even more melt every summer
Here are a few with some having attached caveats. If there is no ice free Arctic by September 2020 then there will be a lot of blushes.
You may have seen comments about the North Pole being ice free for the first time. This is BS of the highest order – a complete and utter fabrication.
The North Pole has NEVER been ice free before. It really is much worse than we thought. LOL.
Thin, rotten ice above normal ?
And here is something for those obsessed with an ‘unprecedented’ ice free Arctic – it’s not unprecedented at all.
More than likely, the Arctic was ice free in the summer, circa AD 1,000 given the trading posts built by the Vikings so far north.
NOAA is forecasting the months of August, September, and October of 2014 to have above normal Arctic Sea ice extent
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Does anyone do a forecast for the Antarctic?
Learning from Wall Street. Set an easy target then celebrate beating it.
Does anyone else see a cosine wave with advancing start angle when they look at the arctic ice graphs? It looks to me like the bottom (pi) shifts left for an earlier min and an earlier recovery.
Does anyone know,the value of 0,on an anomaly graph?
If they are guessing that it will be above anomaly September + 2 months 2014 my bet its going to stay that way and go considerably higher next NH winter…2015 and stay there. Thats when AGW will really be impossible to defend on ice melt ect….
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What has happened to Arctic sea ice volume in recent years? It seems to have bottomed out and is rising somewhat. It really is much worse than we thought. The Arctic is the last line to breach in the climate wars. If they lose this one and global sea ice then the jig should be up. They can then leave Climastrology and get back to doing some real, useful work for humanity instead of wetting their pants while feeding at the trough.
Of course they might change the baseline AGAIN…. LOL
Don’t worry. It will be the wrong kind of ice. The most rotten, thin ice ever! It’s worse than we thought!
Mario Lento! Glad you are back! Good luck at Thunderhill this weekend!!
(FYI — for the WUWTers who don’t know, WUWT regular Mario Lento is not only an engineer, but a professional race car driver, see: http://www.ustcc.com/ (on far right in photo))
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Good point, Mario (at 4:15 (and nicely confirmed by Latitude at 4:23) — defining “normal” is key.
“For ninety percent of the last million years, the normal state of the Earth’s climate has been an ice age. *** The climate of the ice ages is documented in the ice layers of Greenland and Antarctica. We have cored these layers, … and studied them in the laboratory. *** We are in a cooling trend. The areal extent of global sea ice is above the twenty-year mean.”
(Source: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/13/90-of-the-last-million-years-the-normal-state-of-the-earths-climate-has-been-an-ice-age/)
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THANKS FOR SHARING THOSE GREAT QUOTES, JIMBO!
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In case you come back, Gunga Din — I never got a chance to tell you, but, excellent video with Captain America’s “only one God” (and he doesn’t dress like that, heh).
I became a “denier” when I found out that an “ice free” arctic means less than a MILLION SQUARE KILOMETERS of ice, 900 thousand square kilometers of ice is ALOT of ice. I knew then that word games were being played.
DAS
Oh, the wizards of BS
Re LATITUDE above: if antarctica continues on its current trend it may signal the beginning of a mini or maxi ice age! Very very bad news. MY impression from viewing daily temperatures in last 12 months is that mid and northern latitude surface land temperatures are going down at SH and NH, but tropical and sub-tropical land temperatures appear normal. It could be all nonsense though as I am just guessing…LOL