Aaargh! Forget nutrition and medical guidelines, carbon footprint is the new diet selector.
Climate Change Activists to Meet Food Police at Closed-Door Meeting March 14
New York, NY / Washington DC – At a closed-door meeting to take place March 14, the Obama Administration’s Departments of Agriculture and Health and Human Services plan to update the nation’s “dietary guidelines” — a document with significant repercussions for food stamps, military and school meals programs — to include anti-global warming activism.
In an article, “Obama administration pollutes guidelines for healthy eating with unhealthy ideologies,” published Sunday by the Washington Examiner, National Center Senior Fellow and Risk Analysis Division Director Jeff Stier says environmental activists within the U.S. government plan to change the nation’s dietary guidelines to promote foods that they believe have “a smaller carbon footprint.”
In the past, says Stier, the federal government’s dietary guidelines were intended exclusively to “promote health and reduce risk for major chronic diseases.”
No more, says Stier: “For the first time in the history of the guidelines, ‘sustainability’ is part of the agenda. Actual items on their Dietary Guidelines working group agenda include ‘immigration,’ ‘global climate change’ and ‘agriculture/aquaculture sustainability.'”
What’s more, says Stier, these new guidelines will cost the public money: “By favoring foods which activists think have a smaller carbon footprint, the new guidelines will increase the prices you pay for your food. It will also increase the cost to all taxpayers, since the Dietary Guidelines are used to set policy for food stamps (SNAP) and military diets,” he says.
“The food guidelines, by law, are supposed to be based on a ‘preponderance of scientific and medical knowledge,'” said Amy Ridenour, chairman of the National Center for Public Policy Research, who has studied climate change polices for over a quarter century. “Science can say with authority that eating green vegetables is good for you. It can’t say that humans are causing catastrophic global warming with any more certainty than it can explain why the planet hasn’t warmed since the Clinton Administration. Moms and Dads across America deserve — and, as taxpayers, have paid for — dietary guidelines they can use to help them feed their families wisely. No one benefits from causing people to wonder if the nutritional advice they are getting from their government isn’t focused on nutrition at all, but has been polluted by environmental activists.”
The full Washington Examiner article can be read here.
New York City-based Jeff Stier is a Senior Fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research in Washington, D.C., and heads its Risk Analysis Division. Stier is a frequent guest on CNBC, and has addressed health policy on CNN, Fox News Channel, MSNBC, as well as network newscasts. Stier’s National Center op-eds have been published in top outlets, including the Los Angeles Times, the New York Post, Newsday, Forbes, the Washington Examiner and National Review Online. He also frequently discusses risk issues on Twitter at @JeffaStier.
Washington-based Amy Ridenour, founding CEO of the National Center and currently co-CEO with her husband, David Ridenour, has been interviewed on television or radio thousands of times, and had her op-ed published in newspapers thousands of times, on nearly every major public policy issue since the National Center’s 1982 founding. Newspapers running her op-eds within the year include the Denver Post, Providence Journal, Las Vegas Sun, Arizona Daily Star, Boston Herald, Deseret News, Duluth News Tribune, Orange County Register, Honolulu Star-Advertiser, Omaha World-Herald and many others. She discusses issues on Twitter at @AmyRidenour.
The National Center for Public Policy Research, founded in 1982, is a non-partisan, free-market, independent conservative think-tank. Ninety-four percent of its support comes from individuals, less than four percent from foundations, and less than two percent from corporations. It receives over 350,000 individual contributions a year from over 96,000 active recent contributors.
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“al Carbon” is RIGHT OUT!!!
Maybe carbon should be removed from all government payed for or subsidised food. That should be interesting.
This is just one more expensive government agency making themselves irrelevent.
Guess what this will do to meat prices! You know what those nasty cows do. Look for a tax on foods considered “non-friendly to the environment. If everything is so bad, why does life-expectancy continue to increase?
Soviet Science is always……progressing “Forward”!
Think of all the other quack areas the government can latch onto aside from the “food pyramid”? Next they will be putting in mental health “guidelines” to screen skepticism like a disease.
Obama et al. are shaping up to leave a legacy of fanaticism that will live in infamy.
What’s next – free Beano with every meal?
They’re going to force the peasantry to become vegetarians one way or another.
I wonder; if they published how the tax dollars are spent in ‘green technologies’ with the same intensity they publish carbon foot print (telling us how much carbon we generate and how that affects climate, real or not), what would the public reaction be? Oh, and compare it with spending on real health issues research, or needed infrastructure, or services…
The hits just keep on comin!!!
These people are completely insane.
In the spirit of “A Modest Proposal” perhaps they will recommend “Long Pig” as a sustainable choice.
Gosh! I wonder how the POTUS will follow his own edict… Not!
Here is the menu from a recent < href=http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/02/11/france-state-dinner-see-whats-menu> state event.
Cheap carbohydrates, while lesser in “carbon footprint” than say, healthy animal fats and proteins, are the cause of innumerable chronic diseases.
It becomes a choice between a superstitious penance, and actual human health.
Oops, serial goof on the a href boundary markers.
Will popcorn appear on the list?
Better lay in a stock just in case.
Reminds me eerily of Ceaușescu and his wife. While the people starved, they lived in opulent luxury and used the output of a nation to feather their vacations – err sorry, palaces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Republic_of_Romania#1980s:_severe_rationing_and_construction_of_the_Palace_of_the_People
More AGENDA 21 right in your face folks. This may be the start of the “WTF” awards!
Insert Janet Jackson’s “Control” video here!
Nuts! Try this instead: http://cleanenergypundit.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/brain-ology-101-whycarbs-are-destroying.html
Carbon is essential for life to exist so we must consume carbon in its various forms to continue to live. The only way to reduce our carbon footprint through our diet is to remove ourselves from the food chain – I suggest that these anti-carbon activists take that course of action immediately.
I am sure it was on this site where I was first made aware of carbon-free sugar.
http://www.dominosugar.com/carbonfree/
What is not to like?
I guess that Pasta Carbonara is off the menu
Mark Bofill says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:02 am
These people are completely insane.
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Not really. To them it’s a job well done. OK, well maybe they are !!
More middle class people doing useless jobs. Digging ditches and filling them in post-modern style.
If I were a useless eater I would be very afraid. Normally they don’t get very old in a corporate dictatorship.
http://youtu.be/AlVczvB4FQk
graphicconception says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:26 am
I am sure it was on this site where I was first made aware of carbon-free sugar.
http://www.dominosugar.com/carbonfree/
What is not to like?
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That is hilarious. How does an advertiser get away with such a clearly fraudulent claim – All he has to do is link it to carbon emissions.
You know what you have when you remove carbon from sugar? WATER
Yes, I must admit, I’m firmly committed to the idea that the carbon footprint of the American diet should most definitely be scrutinized. And, to develop the proper scrutinization method, where better to seek an example than from none other than the White House’s and the lovely Michelle Obama’s personal chef: one of Washington’s 50 most people; none other than Sam Kass? Here, from Vogue:
http://m.vogue.com/magazine/article/the-talk-of-the-town-alex-wagner-and-sam-kass-politics-it-couple/
‘Sam Kass has the day off from cooking for the president, which is good news for his fiancée, Alex Wagner—and also for me, their guest for dinner. We’re at Kass’s duplex apartment in Washington’s Logan Circle, and Kass is slicing serrano peppers to go with collard greens while Wagner sets out cheese and olives and searches his bachelor’s refrigerator (champagne, mustard) for a bottle of rosé she remembers from her last visit. In about 30 minutes, a delicious meal is nearly ready: butterflied roast chicken with tarragon and preserved lemons, farro risotto with wild mushrooms and leeks, and a green salad with buttermilk dressing.
While Kass works efficiently in the kitchen, Wagner stirs the conversation. I hear about the couple’s favorite New York restaurants: Blue Hill, Carbone, Franny’s, and Vinegar Hill House; about friends in Italy who made the Barbaresco we’re now drinking; and about his hand-forged Carter Cutlery knives, which are produced by a Japanese-trained bladesmith in Oregon. She complains in mock horror that every trip to the high-end knife shop in D.C.’s Union Market “costs us about $500.”’
Heck, that $500 knife sharpening’s going to be cheap compared to what this wrecking crew’s gonna’ be pickin’ from our pockets. All together now: Tar. Feathers. Pitchforks. Crow bars.
graphicconception says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:26 am
Well, that is one of the best jokes I heard recently: carbon free carbohydrates, something on the same level as the dangers of DHMO, I suppose…
The new diet considers whether or not it slims down Mother Gaia before it slims down you. Completely insane.
Soylent Green
philjourdan says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:10 am
Reminds me eerily of Ceaușescu and his wife.
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How’d that turn out? Oh yeah, I remember. Golly, hope nothing like that happens to Barry and Michelle Antoinette!
Chairman Maobama’s 5 year plan for the US is shaping up nicely.
Remember they get donations and special interest brownie points with each inconsequential policy move in lieu of revival of the Waxman-Markey disaster money bill for carbon taxes and redistribution of wealth and side payments to community organizers.
They want you near a state of emaciation so that you will die more quickly due to the effects of chronic hypothermia and fuel poverty.
Blind, ignorant, clumsy Narcissists.
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:38 am
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It’s really too bad that the devastating environmental effects of DMHO are largely ignored outside of a few people involved with chemistry.
@Mike Tremblay – and lifeguards.
Hope and Change takes mysterious ways.
Just like progressive madness.
Time to send in the white coats with the straight jackets
Tom J says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:35 am
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Tar, feathers? You are too kind.
What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]
Indoctrination gets more effective every day.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/30333ab6-0431-11e3-8aab-00144feab7de.html#axzz2vaUzgtRv
The Whitehouse back in 2013 –
Aide to the Chairman – “Psst, a word in your ear Chairman Maobama, the figures
are coming in,
World corn, rice, soyabean and wheat production will break records this year, the US Department of Agriculture estimated this week. The International Grains Council in London expects grain inventories in critical exporters such as Argentina, Australia, Europe, Russia and the US to rise 40 per cent- what shall we do Chairman”
Chairman Maobama – ” This must be hushed up, the planet is doomed and we must take control of everything and anything”
I am still waiting for the punchline from Obama. Little did we know he was a frustrated standup comedian.
How long do you have to put up with this stuff. In British Commonwealth countries, parliaments can take a vote of non-confidence and an election is then necessary. Americans have to stiff it out for the full fifteen rounds.
So the government will discriminate against foods shipped in from long distances.
Sounds like a violation of NAFTA.
The only people resisting this bunch of Globalist crack pots are the freaking Russians.
Can we sink any deeper before we decide to pull the plug on the Obama Administration. Dear Leader better gets his act together before we’re nuked out of existence?
@ “graphicconception says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:26 am
I am sure it was on this site where I was first made aware of carbon-free sugar.
http://www.dominosugar.com/carbonfree/
What is not to like?”
They missed the balance; they did not account for farts… thus carbon free no more
Can they not see the unintended consequences from this? By politicizing dietary guidelines, they will destroy any trust people may have had in them, making them useless.
Do these people ever lose interest in controlling every aspect of other people’s lives? I’m convinced that if they could starve to death 90 percent of the world’s population, they would not only celebrate but would feel morally superior for having saved Gaia from the human parasite.
Sounds like the plot out of one of the Robocop movies. Spends his days rescuing kittens and shooting jaywalkers and smokers. Bank robbers and similar villains he ignores.
Control it has always been about control.
“Moms and Dads across America deserve — and, as taxpayers, have paid for — dietary guidelines they can use to help them feed their families wisely.”
Anyone who still trusts the government dietary guidelines is, by definition, not acting wisely.
Also, in a “modest proposal” vein, to reduce carbon in the atmosphere, we have to sequester it. How can humans directly sequester more carbon? Obesity! If we call get tremedously fat, then have ourselves buried in airtight, corrosion-resistant coffins, we’ll all be sequestering large amounts of carbon!
Eat that extra donut, folks — it’s for the planet!
I expect there will be little effect due to this – the governmental dietary guidelines are already politicized – people are already encouraged to eat the unhealthiest foods we know under the guise that they’re actually good for us. As mentioned above – grains and other carbohydrates (in particular “healthywholewheat”) are the cause of the chronic disease that are crippling our nation but unsurprisingly are the foods that we’re supposed to base our diet upon.
As always my general rule of thumb applies – if the US government is recommending one thing doing the opposite is probably the better choice.
Follow the money. If this drives up the price of food, then there’s someone benefiting from that price increase. Who?
jeff 5778 said:
March 10, 2014 at 11:57 am
Indoctrination gets more effective every day.
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I agree with Jeff; this is infiltrating the warmunist message into the subconscious of the kiddies. They will absorb from their food menu the inimical nature of carbon and the association will stick with them for a lifetime.
Insidious.
If you wish, you can and really should contact your senator regarding this travesty
Here
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Maybe this is what Chipotle was worried about?
Unless the globe turns cooler, in which case the kiddies’ take-away will be, “If you learned it in school, it’s probably a lie.”
Counting ‘Carbs’ has reached a new low. Is this the new Atkins diet?
Isn’t it time we all ate our Greens? I understand it will be good for us.
They are one by one eliminating the very reasons that our ancestors risked their lives and fortunes to come here in the first place–freedom to choose our own fate. This is virtually forcing us to follow their religion (since it can’t be proven objectively anyway.) And in the meantime half the American food production is tied up by the ethanol mandate. At least they should be internally consistent and remove that stupid policy which is actually expending more fossil fuel than it spares.
I think that needs to be updated to the 21st century. Obama-Un
Is there any doubt left in anyone’s mind that it has been and always will be about control. Recently I have seen headlines about high protein diets being bad. Now we see why, that was the prelude to no more beef, it creates too large of a carbon footprint. Of course, that only applies to the general public, the ruling class will continue to eat whatever they desire.
Dennis Leary said it best in this scene from Demolition Man:
The warmists are in a bit of a bind in the US.
This fall the Senate will be ‘in play'(I.E. It’s conceivable that the ‘other party’ could end up in control. Actually bringing something to the floor of the Senate to vote on that might cost a Democratic Senator running for election a handfull of votes if strictly ‘verboten’ until after the election.
Hence…we are treated to a bunch of circus acts to keep ‘the choir’ engaged without actually doing anything.
One fact that will certainly not make it into the President’s report: the fact that increased atmospheric CO2 would substantially increase yields of plant nutrition. Over 4000 peer-reviewed studies have been performed on over 600 plant species to determine their response to CO2.
The results show that adding 300 PPM of CO2 causes substantial increases in crop yields.
The average improvement for 300 ppm extra CO2 is 48.66%. The most studied plants are Wheat, Rice, and Soybeans, with a total of over 600 studies. They show an average of +37.89% yield.
Other noteworthy results include: Peanut (+60.30%), Garden Bean (+64.30%), Common Beet (+66.30%), Pigeon Pea (+75.00%), Blackeyed Pea (+77.00%), Carrot (+77.80%), Red Raspberry (+111.80%), Scallion (+135.00%), and Blackberries at a whopping +675.00%! (By the way, blackberries are also one of the top 10 anti-oxidant foods.)
Data is available at co2science.org.
People were thinner in the 1940s through the 70s. The more the government gets involved the worse people are weight and health wise. Remember them telling us how much healthier margarine was than butter? Until they found out about trans fats, oops, my bad.
Personally, I can’t eat a lot of carbs. I crave carbs, could eat nothing but carbs all day long, but I pay for it by gaining a lot of weight and having no energy. When the government began pushing more and more carbs into the dietary recommendations we saw a lot more people overweight, and now obese. Anything the US government says to do, do the opposite.
Funny article here: http://perform-360.com/2012/09/07/a-110-year-history-of-government-food-advice/#prettyPhoto
The [snip] cult is at it again. Prey on the children, they can be taught the way.
No wonder Putin ignores Obama. The next POTUS is going to spend 4 years just fixing what has been broken before they can get on with developing the nation. ( … Oh wait. Maybe somehow Putin knows exactly what Obama’s goals are….nahhh. 😒 )
What? There is no known carbonless life. Inorganic meals ahead?
It must be spring time. The insanity is blooming rapidly. I hope it doesn’t start taking over the rest of the garden.
I’m rapidly losing patience with these unscientific fascists. Sanity must return and prevail soon.
Two words come to mind … “Da Comrad”
And, don’t forget to ‘carb up’ before heading to the beach.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10687135/Bondi-Beach-surfers-warned-of-fewer-big-waves-due-to-climate-change.html
regards
And here was I thinking all food was a carbon-neutral cycle. After all, whether veg or fish or meat, it only contains carbon derived from atmospheric CO2 which existed during its lifetime. And so it is returned. Dust to dust, and all that.
Oops, I was forgetting the energy used to produce/harvest the stuff.
Okay, what we need is some kind of Mao-esque quota-driven food-production program. That could never fail.
Oh, wait…
Obama food fetish.
I’m here to inform you all that whatever you believed up to this moment was totally incorrect. Here is the evidence, released just 5 days ago.
The cardiometabolic consequences of replacing saturated fats with carbohydrates or Ω-6 polyunsaturated fats: Do the dietary guidelines have it wrong?
Introduction
A recent publication by Malhotra1 was refreshing, inspiring and hit on an important topic that has been heavily debated for over 50 years, that is, are saturated fats as bad as we have been led to believe?
The final nail in the low-fat diet coffin is two randomised trials, one for the primary prevention of cardiovascular disease, PREDIMED38 (Prevención con Dieta Med- iterránea), indicating a reduction in the incidence of major cardiovascular events with a Mediterranean diet compared with a low-fat diet, and the other for the secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease, the Lyon Diet Heart Study39 showing that a Mediterranean diet reduces all-cause and cardiovascular mortality as well as non-fatal myocardial infarction compared with a prudent diet.
Conclusions
In summary, the benefits of a low-fat diet (particularly a diet replacing saturated fats with carbohydrates or Ω-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids) are severely challenged. Dietary guidelines should assess the totality of the evidence and strongly reconsider their recommendations for replacing saturated fats with carbohydrates or Ω-6 polyunsaturated fats.
http://openheart.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000032.full?sid=5e6b0cad-75ea-41a1-85e6-e5461d77846c
Cordially.
Just saw this on the news today. They are going to be using the imagined water requirements for certain foods to advise against eating them, i.e. meat. I once did some back-of-the-napkin calculations on their claims of the amount of water used to bring beef to the dinner table, it came out to each bovine requiring nine times their volume of water each day. They claim that each egg requires 53 gallons of water to get to your table. It would be quite the task but it would be interesting to see the total imagined water use for the food we eat. My money would be on the number being quite unbelievable or even impossible.
There go Doug Cotton’s pizzas…
D Nash says:
March 10, 2014 at 12:38 pm
“Counting ‘Carbs’ has reached a new low. Is this the new Atkins diet?”
No. The Atkins diet works.
Atkins diet was not Atkins idea ; and 100 years before invented
How Bad Science and Big Business Created the Obesity Epidemic
David Diamond, Ph.D., of the University of South Florida College of Arts and Sciences shares his personal story about his battle with obesity. Diamond shows how he lost weight and reduced his triglycerides by eating red meat, eggs and butter.
Mindless. Simply Mindless.
So carbon-based life forms are not to eat carbon-based foods that leave a carbon footprint?
There are lots of diet plans out there. Atkins, Palm Beach, Jenny Craig, etc.
This is the first “food-free diet” I’ve ever heard of.
The Nazis were greenie enthusiasts and they also had a national diet program….
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Soylent?
No thanks. 😎
But such a life is where Obamacide is leading us.
As Ted Williams used to say: “This is getting re-god-damned-diculus”
David G says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:56 am
What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]
Indeed. He’s a lawyer, and being a lawyer relies on “experts.” Also, lawyers are by and large advocates. At least mine had better be my advocate, otherwise he’ll be looking for another client.
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The dangers of DHMO. (http://dhmo.org/) That never gets old, does it?
it’s all in the packaging, not what’s in the package.
Maybe those trying to put makeup on the climate models could learn something….
Anthony-this food guidelines ties into this Risk and Vulnerabilities Assessment that Portland, Oregon has put up for Public Comment. http://www.portlandoregon.gov/bps/64079 . Other cities like Atlanta and the Twin Cities who are also aggressive on the Regionalism front are likely to push something similar with just different pictures.
Also notice the other document on page 13 gets to the heart of what is really behind the refusal to let CAGW go, whatever the temps or weather conditions. “How Does this Strategy Advance Equity?” With equity defined in terms of Marx’s vision of a human development society. “Equity is when everyone has accesss to the opportunities necessary to satisfy their essential needs, advance their wellbeing and achieve their full potential.”
Meanwhile in the real world…
My daughter is at university. They offer care packages to students through the school. I did not sign my daughter up, and she thanked me. Today I get the mail and find this letter regarding an extension of the program. I had to laugh. I left out the university name, but if anyone wants to know I will give the info.
D’oh! Link didn’t work, http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj81/iamzelkova/image_zpsd87afea5.jpg
The second document at that link. The Climate Change Preparation Strategy, lays out on page 61 the philosophy behind the supposed stress on Food Systems and the declared resulting need for Food Security.
I (foolishly) believed there was a guideline that required an analysis of the BENEFITS as well as of the costs of any new regulation.
If EVERYONE in the US switched immediately to the new diet (and agriculture adapted to the new norm), and we stayed on it for 10 years, how much of a temperature reduction would be achieved?
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I suppose that would depend on how many of the 98.6°F mobile furnaces would be reduced to ambient temperature.
“What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]
Indeed. He’s a lawyer, and being a lawyer relies on “experts.” ”
No, not quite. He’s a Hahvahd lawyer. Never expected to have to work a day in his life. So far, it appears that he never has.
goldminor said:
March 10, 2014 at 1:08 pm
It must be spring time. The insanity is blooming rapidly. I hope it doesn’t start taking over the rest of the garden.
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and the flowers bloom like madness in the Spring
Paul Coppin says:
March 10, 2014 at 2:55 pm
“What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]
Indeed. He’s a lawyer, and being a lawyer relies on “experts.” ”
No, not quite. He’s a Hahvahd lawyer. Never expected to have to work a day in his life. So far, it appears that he never has.
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Come on, now- cut him some slack. He’s on vacation.
I suppose a key requirement we be that we all have to stop eating corn so that the whole crop can be made into bio-fuel.
In the not too distant future the USA will have vast net migration out of the US. It will be the “land of the enslaved and the home of the very frightened. “
And so continues the ongoing process of the government alienating those of us who do not conform to its ideological premises.
Now, more than ever, every aspect of government science is tainted and now controlled by ideology , political preferences and even a willing tool of propagandists. This is horrible corruption. It is not so bad that people who wear the mantle of “smartest people in the room” do this, but look at how many useful idiots swallow their claims, even when the truth is as close as a Google search on their personal ObamaPhone.
Does this mean that Michelle is going to give up the $50 a pound Kobe beef she thinks the proletariat should pay for?
Great. More dietary advice from the same geniuses that gave us the “Food Pyramid” that told everyone to eat 14 portions of carbs every day.
David G says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:56 am
What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]
David G,
You just figured this out NOW???!!!!
Where have you been, for the last 8 years or so????????
@Cold in Wisconsin –
ALL green energy policies ultimately result in burning more fossil fuels than if there were no green energy – up to 15 percent more fossil fuel must be burned to produce the same gross amount of electric power when there is wind or solar, as in a system with no wind or solar (for spinning reserve, which burns fuel but isn’t feeding power into the grid, and inefficient quick start units that burn 2 to 4 times as much to generate the same power output – all necessary to prevent the grid from collapsing when the wind stops or the Sun goes behind clouds).
The whole green meme is a fallacy and a criminal waste. And as for der Fuehrer’s “dietary guidelines,” I’d tell him to stick ’em where the Sun don’t shine, and lay off propagandizing kids. Reprehensible beyond reprehensible.
All that will be left to eat is Stone Soup; hold the bread, meat, and vegetables.
http://www.stonesoup.com/the-original-stone-soup-story/
Al true believers in CAGW can show their dedication to the cause by simply taking in a large breath of air and holding it for, say about 10 minutes. There will be a huge reduction in their carbon footprint just from that one simple act of contrition.
Gunga Din says:
March 10, 2014 at 2:24 pm
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:38 am
graphicconception says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:26 am
Well, that is one of the best jokes I heard recently: carbon free carbohydrates, something on the same level as the dangers of DHMO, I suppose…
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The dangers of DHMO. (http://dhmo.org/) That never gets old, does it?
it’s all in the packaging, not what’s in the package.
Maybe those trying to put makeup on the climate models could learn something….
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Will you guys stop it. Next thing you know, UEA scientists will be claiming DHMO is a previously undiscovered greenhouse gas.
philjourdan says: @ March 10, 2014 at 11:10 am
Reminds me eerily of Ceaușescu and his wife…..
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I was thinking more of Marie Antoinette after reading the menu for the the France State Dinner.
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I am sure the idea is to deprive people of meat and force a more vegetarian diet.
BAD IDEA!
@Gail Combs – regardless of the wishes of Vegans and PETA, the species of Homo Sapien requires a nutrient that can only be obtained from Animals (It is present in eggs as well). Vitamin B12. Vegans must take a supplement or perish. While it can be synthesized with modern technology, that requires a lot of carbon foot print and is only mimicking what has been obtained by the species since its inception.
Evolution made us meat eaters.
Cloudbuster says:
March 10, 2014 at 12:27 pm
………….. Eat that extra donut, folks — it’s for the planet!
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I always knew I was one of the good guys!!!
Mike Hohmann says….
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My health has improved greatly since I cut the carbs, especially wheat ten years ago.
GAIL! #(:))
I sure hope you see THIS (been trying for days you busy woman, you).
Please click on that link to a message to you from me (and the one inside that post) — thanks!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/06/chevron-defeats-the-greens-with-their-own-hubris/#comment-1585050
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Box of Rocks says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:56 am
Tom J says:
March 10, 2014 at 11:35 am
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Tar, feathers? You are too kind.
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There is drawn and quartered after the tar and feathers.
@Gail Combs –
Before the advent of agriculture 12 or 13 thousand years ago, man’s diet was at least 85 percent meat.
Man has the digestive system of a carnivore, virtually identical to that of a dog or cat, with one minor exception – the vermiform appendix, the last relict of herbivorous ancestors.
LOVE THAT CARBON FOOTPRINT!! LONG LIVE HIGHER CROP YIELDS!! LONG LIVE MORE DROUGHT RESISTANCE!!
@True Conservative –
Yes, rather sounds like Marie Antoinette’s “Let them eat cake,” doesn’t it. Marie Antoinette, all right. Amazing how these elitists could care less that their fantasies hurt poor people first and hurt them the worst.
Also in re eating meat – it seems that almost every day one hears of some other essential nutrient that can be obtained only from meat.
davidmhoffer says: @ March 10, 2014 at 12:29 pm
Follow the money. If this drives up the price of food, then there’s someone benefiting from that price increase. Who?
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Council on Foreign Relations: How Goldman Sachs Created the Food Crisis
Rothschild cashes in by Investing in Farmland
Maine’s newest big-time landowner is also the nation’s largest landowner: John Malone (center) is now the United States’ largest landowner
bangordailynews(DOT)com/2011/10/12/news/state/maine’s-newest-big-time-landowner-is-also-the-nation’s-largest-landowner/
CNNMONEY -Betting the farm: As world population expands, the demand for arable land should soar. At least that’s what George Soros, Lord Rothschild, and other investors believe.
money(DOT)cnn.com/2009/06/08/retirement/betting_the_farm.fortune/
Who’s controlling the global food supply? Investors are grabbing up giant swaths of farm land around the world
(wwwDOT)startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/190042751.html
Given I have been saying this about the land grab and the food control grab for years, I am surprised you were not aware of this.
Another Obamanable turd sandwich from the Bush blossom!
Dear Gail Combs,
I hope you will see this. (I posted a message to you on this thread at 5:22pm, btw). I very much want to eventually give you a better answer to your question to me of many days ago (re: standing). It will take me, as I said, many, many, hours to produce such a memorandum of the quality that I must do if I do it at all.
I am having IMMENSE difficulty in contacting you (just the nature of a blog). I’m now thinking I don’t want to do that project, for there seems to be a very good possibility that I will never be able to contact you to let you know it is posted somewhere (since it would be very long, I’d use a defunct thread).
If I don’t hear from you, I’m going to put this research project on the shelf. Too much work to risk it going to waste.
With admiration for all the great, high-value, posts you do on WUWT,
Yours,
Janice
What a ridiculous proposition! Carbon dioxide isn’t even the cause of global warming/climate change. The burning of fossil fuel is to supply HEAT, and the HEAT emitted from our energy use is four times that which can be accounted for by the rise in atmospheric temperature. Where did the rest of the HEAT go? And what does that leave for CO2 to be blamed for?
They can’t possibly make school lunches any more disgusting than they are right now. It has gotten so bad that folks won’t even buy the “adult” meals (which are pre-ordered and different than the kid meals). This is especially true at the Elementary level. Yuckckckcckckck!!!!!!
It occurs to me that many here at WUWT are not aware of the behind the scenes stuff going on in food. Over the last couple decades there has been a major consolidation in the control of food not only in the USA but world wide. These ten corporations have a lot of power in Washington DC as the World Trade Organization Agreement on Agriculture and the Food Safety Modernization Act show.
Ann Veneman is a classic example. She went from a lawyer at Patton Boggs, a Washington law/lobby firm involved in the Chevron suit, to USDA foreign trade negotiator (for WTO) She was a board member of a Monsanto subsidiary company before she became US Secretary of Agriculture for George W. Bush in 2001 then worked as a United Nations Executive Director and is now a board member of Nestlé. That revolving door sure does spin doesn’t it?
Over the last half century agricultural business has become horizontally integrated over different commodity sectors, and more recently vertical integration has come into play. Many livestock producers purchase their feed from the same firms to which they sell their animals or in the case of chickens, the farmer doesn’t even own the birds or equipment and even his mortgage is owned by the corporation he is contracted to. Once hooked, the farmer is a slave to the corporation, never able to get out of debt because the equipment becomes obsolete thanks to new USDA regulations before the debt is paid. Many I know personally have not seen a raise since 1982.
The undercutting of grain crop prices has also allowed the control of hogs by the four largest firms to increase from 37 percent in 1987 to 60 percent by 1998.
I hesitate to link to this site since the guy has a bad reputation but it does have a decent listing of the eleven corporations (now ten due to a merger) link so it makes a starting place for further investigation.
“New York, NY / Washington DC – At a closed-door meeting to take place March 14, the Obama Administration’s Departments of Agriculture and Health and Human Services plan to update the nation’s “dietary guidelines”
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[+emphasis] Is this that same admiinistration that was going to be the most open in history?
No input from the public?
I suppose the elites won’t be happy until the proles are reduced to eating road kill.
@ Pamela: maybe it’s already happening with school lunches? ;o)
Pamela Gray says: @ March 10, 2014 at 6:32 pm
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Pam is it true that at least some schools will not allow lunches to be brought from home? (Fear of peanut butter cookies, peanut oil fried chicken… getting eaten by peanut allergy kid.)
Seriously. Russia will just have to stand back and watch. They don’t need their own Reagan. We are running ourselves into the ground.
Tom in Florida says: @ March 10, 2014 at 12:49 pm
Is there any doubt left in anyone’s mind that it has been and always will be about control. Recently I have seen headlines about high protein diets being bad. Now we see why, that was the prelude to no more beef, it creates too large of a carbon footprint….
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I am more cynical than you.
FOLLOW THE MONEY!
One of the big meat packers in the USA is now JBS Swift. Four firms control over 80 percent of all the beef slaughtered.The others are Tyson Foods, Cargill Meat Solutions Corp and National Beef Packing Company LLC. In February and March 2008, JBS signed agreements to acquire the fourth- and fifth-largest U.S. beef packers, National Beef Packing Company and the Smithfield Beef Group, respectively. The acquisition of Five Rivers Ranch Cattle Feeding, would make JBS the largest cattle feeder in the United States. The DOJ filed an antitrust lawsuit at the urging of R-CALF ( Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund) and others.
Cargill has clout but the other three don’t have much clout.
Next take a look at ADM, Archer Daniels Midland Co. Dwayne Andreas, ADM CEO is the all time largest campaign contributor to the democratic and republican parties. As Mother Jones mag said ” Dwayne Andreas has made a fortune with the help of politicians from Hubert Humphrey to Bob Dole. ”
So what is ADM into besides Biofuel?
This listing of some of ADMs brands gives you an idea of WHO is pushing a ‘NO MEAT’ diet. ADM is very much into grain, oilseed and bean products.
I feel so sorry for the school children nowadays. I remember having mystery meat, a cooked veggie, a fresh-baked dinner roll, and whole milk in elementary school. These days they call it a lunch when they offer them a tiny cup of raw broccoli, a tiny cup of grapes, and skim milk. Who can keep their mind on their studies if that’s all they had for lunch?
NRG22 says: @ March 10, 2014 at 1:01 pm
People were thinner in the 1940s through the 70s. The more the government gets involved the worse people are weight and health wise….
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In the 1940s the Committee on Economic Development was formed and lined up US farmers in the cross hairs to be shot down. link Animals, Fruits and veggies take a lot more work than grains so if you want farmers to “Get Big or Get Out” (Sec of Ag Earl L. Butz) you want people to fill-up on pasta and bread.
Grain products also have more “Value added” so are more ‘attractive’ to big business.
Jaakko Kateenkorva says:
March 10, 2014 at 1:07 pm
What? There is no known carbonless life. Inorganic meals ahead?
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New bumper stickers:
Let them eat ROCKS.
Greens should EAT ROCKS,
they don’t contain CARBON
Robert W Turner says: @ March 10, 2014 at 1:30 pm
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They are looking at the water to grow corn to be fed to the animals in concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs).
Dump the animals back on pastures or cleaning up the bugs in orchards and gardens and the problems go away.
NRG22 says: @ March 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm
Meanwhile in the real world…
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In the name of the Ten Thousand Little God’s who do they think they are giving that crap to a kiddie in kindergarten?
The only thing out of that entire pile of useless empty calories that I might touch is the Slim Jim and that is only if I was starving.
What ever happen to fruits, nuts and cheese as healthy snacks?
Jimbo says: @ March 10, 2014 at 3:37 pm
In the not too distant future the USA will have vast net migration out of the US. It will be the “land of the enslaved and the home of the very frightened. “
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I have been calling it the “land of the regulated and the home of the wimp. “
And just today a friend and I were discussing the best places to immigrate to.
Janice Moore says: @ March 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm
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Janice,
If you ever do the research you might want to have A.W. put it up as a post for the other lawyer types (we do have some) to critique . Of course I expect all the legalize about not being legal advise yadiyadiya…
Still it might make an interesting post to look at especially the way we are headed here in the USA.
Power Grab says:
March 10, 2014 at 7:37 pm
I feel so sorry for the school children nowadays. I remember having mystery meat, a cooked veggie, a fresh-baked dinner roll, and whole milk in elementary school. These days they call it a lunch when they offer them a tiny cup of raw broccoli, a tiny cup of grapes, and skim milk. Who can keep their mind on their studies if that’s all they had for lunch?
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I wonder how many kiddies are jumping out of their skins because the fatty sheaths around their nerves are disintegrating.
Mom was put on a no-fat diet by a doctor and had that happen to her so I am not kidding when I say that.
Gail Combs says:
March 10, 2014 at 8:11 pm
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No, no, that’s college care packages that they put together for parants to buy and the college delivers it to the student. I laughed that it was described as “tasty and wholesome foods” and “high energy success snacks.” Tasty, sure, wholesome, no. The high energy kit is only high carb and bad fats and if that’s what they think is good for success at college I’m worried. This is a first rate public university.
The stress buster kit is something you would give to a kindergartener, and my daughter is 18. Sheesh. I’m trying to get my children to grow up and society keeps throwing up roadblocks.
Wish I could edit, typo above should be parents.
Cannibalism Now- Eat Your Greens
Oh, Gail Combs I am so GLAD that you saw my post. Thanks for responding. I will let you know (of course, trying to let anyone know anything here can take days!) when (if) I get that memorandum done.
If others end up reading it and critiquing that basic law memo that would be great. I am not, however, going to enter into any such discussion (except to answer your questions … very carefully…). Such a public conversation could far too easily cross over the line into “legal advice” (upon which someone might successfully argue he or she had a right to rely and did to his or her detriment…it’s a pretty subjective standard) for me. It could be done, but, in this setting, I’m not going to risk it.
And, thanks for the encouragement, but I will definitely NOT ask A-th-ony to post it as a main post.
Please forgive what will, no matter what, be a long delay until you hear from me on this matter again.
Janice
P.S. Sure hope you guys got that heater running before nightfall yesterday. Take care and keep warm!
@Gail Combs –
Kind of a chicken-and-egg case, as to motivations: which comes first, the money or the control? I’m inclined to believe the latter, because any number of people seeking power have blown it financially, on every scale from the individual to countries like Germany and Russia. And then you throw in the widely publicized asceticism of some of these power freaks like Hitler and Mao and Jerry Brown (who boasted of living in an unfurnished apartment and sleeping on a mattress on the floor).. From my historian’s perspective it looks like power, i.e., control, is the master motive, and money, if anything, is a demonstration of power and/or a means of obtaining and demonstrating it, more than an end in itself. Most of these people are single-minded fanatics, not hedonists..
Of course, the present infestation of the White House does lend itself to the money-first theory, what with Marie Antoinette’s 100-million-dollar vacations.
P.S. Gail Combs – You are a resource! Keep up the GREAT work.
We need to organize a group that will descend on all caterers of political events and blockade their premises until they guarantee in writing that they will only serve food in compliance with the new regulations.
Can’t you see it, a pale block of tofu instead of beef, chicken, or fish. Tap water instead of alcohol. Etc. The donors and pundits will love it.
I suggest a lobby group to promote a carbon free diet. It can go with a proposal to ban dihydrogen monoxide from all schools. I’d love to see how far they got.
It was someone’s comment on WUWT a few years ago, words to the effect, “the bad science of global warming reminds me of the bad science of nutrition”, which directed me to look away from the 97% of nutritionists, to check out Paleo, LCHF, Primal, Taubes, etc. and I have been very pleased with the results!
Dear USA, you can keep your obesity and diabetes epidemic healthcare cost monster for the sake of your grain industry if you really like. Dear environmentalists, you can keep your body wasting vegan diets if you really like. I hope y’all join the Swedes in their interest in LCHF, and read The Vegetarian Myth. I hope everyone discovers better health.
Leirre Keith in her book makes the argument that we’d all be better off if we just used more natural pastures and cows than if we keep wasting the environment on grains.
“the planet hasn’t warmed since the Clinton Administration”
That hadn’t occurred to me before…….we may be on to something here?
By the way we Brits get our B12 from Marmite as well.
Gail Combs says: March 10, 2014 at 7:57 pm
Greens should EAT ROCKS, they don’t contain CARBON
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Just realized, it’s worse than we thought. The most common rock on earth’s crust is limestone (CaCO3). But, granite, glass, silicon, brimstone or actinides would do. 🙂
Gail: What do you think about the Codex…Alumentarious (sp?)