Obama Administration to Insert Global Warming Activism into Dietary Guidelines Mandated by Congress

Aaargh! Forget nutrition and medical guidelines, carbon footprint is the new diet selector.

Climate Change Activists to Meet Food Police at Closed-Door Meeting March 14

New York, NY / Washington DC - At a closed-door meeting to take place March 14, the Obama Administration’s Departments of Agriculture and Health and Human Services plan to update the nation’s “dietary guidelines” — a document with significant repercussions for food stamps, military and school meals programs — to include anti-global warming activism.

In an article, “Obama administration pollutes guidelines for healthy eating with unhealthy ideologies,” published Sunday by the Washington Examiner, National Center Senior Fellow and Risk Analysis Division Director Jeff Stier says environmental activists within the U.S. government plan to change the nation’s dietary guidelines to promote foods that they believe have “a smaller carbon footprint.”

In the past, says Stier, the federal government’s dietary guidelines were intended exclusively to “promote health and reduce risk for major chronic diseases.”

No more, says Stier: “For the first time in the history of the guidelines, ‘sustainability’ is part of the agenda. Actual items on their Dietary Guidelines working group agenda include ‘immigration,’ ‘global climate change’ and ‘agriculture/aquaculture sustainability.’”

What’s more, says Stier, these new guidelines will cost the public money: “By favoring foods which activists think have a smaller carbon footprint, the new guidelines will increase the prices you pay for your food. It will also increase the cost to all taxpayers, since the Dietary Guidelines are used to set policy for food stamps (SNAP) and military diets,” he says.

“The food guidelines, by law, are supposed to be based on a ‘preponderance of scientific and medical knowledge,’” said Amy Ridenour, chairman of the National Center for Public Policy Research, who has studied climate change polices for over a quarter century. “Science can say with authority that eating green vegetables is good for you. It can’t say that humans are causing catastrophic global warming with any more certainty than it can explain why the planet hasn’t warmed since the Clinton Administration. Moms and Dads across America deserve — and, as taxpayers, have paid for — dietary guidelines they can use to help them feed their families wisely. No one benefits from causing people to wonder if the nutritional advice they are getting from their government isn’t focused on nutrition at all, but has been polluted by environmental activists.”

The full Washington Examiner article can be read here.

New York City-based Jeff Stier is a Senior Fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research in Washington, D.C., and heads its Risk Analysis Division. Stier is a frequent guest on CNBC, and has addressed health policy on CNN, Fox News Channel, MSNBC, as well as network newscasts. Stier’s National Center op-eds have been published in top outlets, including the Los Angeles Times, the New York Post, Newsday, Forbes, the Washington Examiner and National Review Online. He also frequently discusses risk issues on Twitter at @JeffaStier.

Washington-based Amy Ridenour, founding CEO of the National Center and currently co-CEO with her husband, David Ridenour, has been interviewed on television or radio thousands of times, and had her op-ed published in newspapers thousands of times, on nearly every major public policy issue since the National Center’s 1982 founding. Newspapers running her op-eds within the year include the Denver Post, Providence Journal, Las Vegas Sun, Arizona Daily Star, Boston Herald, Deseret News, Duluth News Tribune, Orange County Register, Honolulu Star-Advertiser, Omaha World-Herald and many others. She discusses issues on Twitter at @AmyRidenour.

The National Center for Public Policy Research, founded in 1982, is a non-partisan, free-market, independent conservative think-tank. Ninety-four percent of its support comes from individuals, less than four percent from foundations, and less than two percent from corporations. It receives over 350,000 individual contributions a year from over 96,000 active recent contributors.

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143 Responses to Obama Administration to Insert Global Warming Activism into Dietary Guidelines Mandated by Congress

  1. “al Carbon” is RIGHT OUT!!!

  2. Maybe carbon should be removed from all government payed for or subsidised food. That should be interesting.

  3. This is just one more expensive government agency making themselves irrelevent.

  4. R2Dtoo says:

    Guess what this will do to meat prices! You know what those nasty cows do. Look for a tax on foods considered “non-friendly to the environment. If everything is so bad, why does life-expectancy continue to increase?

  5. cwon14 says:

    Soviet Science is always……progressing “Forward”!

    Think of all the other quack areas the government can latch onto aside from the “food pyramid”? Next they will be putting in mental health “guidelines” to screen skepticism like a disease.

  6. rogerknights says:

    Obama et al. are shaping up to leave a legacy of fanaticism that will live in infamy.

  7. Doug Wenzel says:

    What’s next – free Beano with every meal?

  8. Roger Smith says:

    They’re going to force the peasantry to become vegetarians one way or another.

  9. Francisco Fernandez says:

    I wonder; if they published how the tax dollars are spent in ‘green technologies’ with the same intensity they publish carbon foot print (telling us how much carbon we generate and how that affects climate, real or not), what would the public reaction be? Oh, and compare it with spending on real health issues research, or needed infrastructure, or services…

  10. Kenny says:

    The hits just keep on comin!!!

  11. Mark Bofill says:

    These people are completely insane.

  12. The Old Crusader says:

    In the spirit of “A Modest Proposal” perhaps they will recommend “Long Pig” as a sustainable choice.

  13. ATheoK says:

    Gosh! I wonder how the POTUS will follow his own edict… Not!

    Here is the menu from a recent < href=http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/02/11/france-state-dinner-see-whats-menu> state event.

  14. krischel says:

    Cheap carbohydrates, while lesser in “carbon footprint” than say, healthy animal fats and proteins, are the cause of innumerable chronic diseases.

    It becomes a choice between a superstitious penance, and actual human health.

  15. ATheoK says:

    Oops, serial goof on the a href boundary markers.

  16. Oldseadog says:

    Will popcorn appear on the list?
    Better lay in a stock just in case.

  17. philjourdan says:

    Reminds me eerily of Ceaușescu and his wife. While the people starved, they lived in opulent luxury and used the output of a nation to feather their vacations – err sorry, palaces.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Republic_of_Romania#1980s:_severe_rationing_and_construction_of_the_Palace_of_the_People

  18. ossqss says:

    More AGENDA 21 right in your face folks. This may be the start of the “WTF” awards!

    Insert Janet Jackson’s “Control” video here!

  19. Mike Tremblay says:

    Carbon is essential for life to exist so we must consume carbon in its various forms to continue to live. The only way to reduce our carbon footprint through our diet is to remove ourselves from the food chain – I suggest that these anti-carbon activists take that course of action immediately.

  20. graphicconception says:

    I am sure it was on this site where I was first made aware of carbon-free sugar.
    http://www.dominosugar.com/carbonfree/

    What is not to like?

  21. I guess that Pasta Carbonara is off the menu

  22. philincalifornia says:

    Mark Bofill says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:02 am
    These people are completely insane.
    —————————————————

    Not really. To them it’s a job well done. OK, well maybe they are !!

    More middle class people doing useless jobs. Digging ditches and filling them in post-modern style.

  23. Robertv says:

    If I were a useless eater I would be very afraid. Normally they don’t get very old in a corporate dictatorship.

  24. Mike Tremblay says:

    graphicconception says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:26 am

    I am sure it was on this site where I was first made aware of carbon-free sugar.
    http://www.dominosugar.com/carbonfree/

    What is not to like?
    —————————————————————————————————————————
    That is hilarious. How does an advertiser get away with such a clearly fraudulent claim – All he has to do is link it to carbon emissions.

    You know what you have when you remove carbon from sugar? WATER

  25. Tom J says:

    Yes, I must admit, I’m firmly committed to the idea that the carbon footprint of the American diet should most definitely be scrutinized. And, to develop the proper scrutinization method, where better to seek an example than from none other than the White House’s and the lovely Michelle Obama’s personal chef: one of Washington’s 50 most people; none other than Sam Kass? Here, from Vogue:

    http://m.vogue.com/magazine/article/the-talk-of-the-town-alex-wagner-and-sam-kass-politics-it-couple/

    ‘Sam Kass has the day off from cooking for the president, which is good news for his fiancée, Alex Wagner—and also for me, their guest for dinner. We’re at Kass’s duplex apartment in Washington’s Logan Circle, and Kass is slicing serrano peppers to go with collard greens while Wagner sets out cheese and olives and searches his bachelor’s refrigerator (champagne, mustard) for a bottle of rosé she remembers from her last visit. In about 30 minutes, a delicious meal is nearly ready: butterflied roast chicken with tarragon and preserved lemons, farro risotto with wild mushrooms and leeks, and a green salad with buttermilk dressing.

    While Kass works efficiently in the kitchen, Wagner stirs the conversation. I hear about the couple’s favorite New York restaurants: Blue Hill, Carbone, Franny’s, and Vinegar Hill House; about friends in Italy who made the Barbaresco we’re now drinking; and about his hand-forged Carter Cutlery knives, which are produced by a Japanese-trained bladesmith in Oregon. She complains in mock horror that every trip to the high-end knife shop in D.C.’s Union Market “costs us about $500.”’

    Heck, that $500 knife sharpening’s going to be cheap compared to what this wrecking crew’s gonna’ be pickin’ from our pockets. All together now: Tar. Feathers. Pitchforks. Crow bars.

  26. graphicconception says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Well, that is one of the best jokes I heard recently: carbon free carbohydrates, something on the same level as the dangers of DHMO, I suppose…

  27. aharris says:

    The new diet considers whether or not it slims down Mother Gaia before it slims down you. Completely insane.

  28. John West says:

    Soylent Green

  29. Frank Kotler says:

    philjourdan says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Reminds me eerily of Ceaușescu and his wife.
    ———————————————————-

    How’d that turn out? Oh yeah, I remember. Golly, hope nothing like that happens to Barry and Michelle Antoinette!

  30. richard says:

    Chairman Maobama’s 5 year plan for the US is shaping up nicely.

  31. Resourceguy says:

    Remember they get donations and special interest brownie points with each inconsequential policy move in lieu of revival of the Waxman-Markey disaster money bill for carbon taxes and redistribution of wealth and side payments to community organizers.

  32. Ed, 'Mr' Jones says:

    They want you near a state of emaciation so that you will die more quickly due to the effects of chronic hypothermia and fuel poverty.

    Blind, ignorant, clumsy Narcissists.

  33. Mike Tremblay says:

    Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:38 am
    —————————————————————————————————————————
    It’s really too bad that the devastating environmental effects of DMHO are largely ignored outside of a few people involved with chemistry.

  34. R. de Haan says:

    Hope and Change takes mysterious ways.
    Just like progressive madness.
    Time to send in the white coats with the straight jackets

  35. Box of Rocks says:

    Tom J says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:35 am
    ******

    Tar, feathers? You are too kind.

  36. David G says:

    What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]

  37. jeff 5778 says:

    Indoctrination gets more effective every day.

  38. richard says:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/30333ab6-0431-11e3-8aab-00144feab7de.html#axzz2vaUzgtRv

    The Whitehouse back in 2013 –

    Aide to the Chairman – “Psst, a word in your ear Chairman Maobama, the figures
    are coming in,
    World corn, rice, soyabean and wheat production will break records this year, the US Department of Agriculture estimated this week. The International Grains Council in London expects grain inventories in critical exporters such as Argentina, Australia, Europe, Russia and the US to rise 40 per cent- what shall we do Chairman”

    Chairman Maobama – ” This must be hushed up, the planet is doomed and we must take control of everything and anything”

  39. JimS says:

    I am still waiting for the punchline from Obama. Little did we know he was a frustrated standup comedian.

  40. Gary Pearse says:

    How long do you have to put up with this stuff. In British Commonwealth countries, parliaments can take a vote of non-confidence and an election is then necessary. Americans have to stiff it out for the full fifteen rounds.

  41. accordionsruule says:

    So the government will discriminate against foods shipped in from long distances.
    Sounds like a violation of NAFTA.

  42. R. de Haan says:

    The only people resisting this bunch of Globalist crack pots are the freaking Russians.
    Can we sink any deeper before we decide to pull the plug on the Obama Administration. Dear Leader better gets his act together before we’re nuked out of existence?

  43. Francisco says:

    @ “graphicconception says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:26 am
    I am sure it was on this site where I was first made aware of carbon-free sugar.
    http://www.dominosugar.com/carbonfree/

    What is not to like?”

    They missed the balance; they did not account for farts… thus carbon free no more

  44. Louis says:

    Can they not see the unintended consequences from this? By politicizing dietary guidelines, they will destroy any trust people may have had in them, making them useless.

    Do these people ever lose interest in controlling every aspect of other people’s lives? I’m convinced that if they could starve to death 90 percent of the world’s population, they would not only celebrate but would feel morally superior for having saved Gaia from the human parasite.

  45. ferdberple says:

    Sounds like the plot out of one of the Robocop movies. Spends his days rescuing kittens and shooting jaywalkers and smokers. Bank robbers and similar villains he ignores.

  46. Cloudbuster says:

    “Moms and Dads across America deserve — and, as taxpayers, have paid for — dietary guidelines they can use to help them feed their families wisely.”

    Anyone who still trusts the government dietary guidelines is, by definition, not acting wisely.

    Also, in a “modest proposal” vein, to reduce carbon in the atmosphere, we have to sequester it. How can humans directly sequester more carbon? Obesity! If we call get tremedously fat, then have ourselves buried in airtight, corrosion-resistant coffins, we’ll all be sequestering large amounts of carbon!

    Eat that extra donut, folks — it’s for the planet!

  47. mkelly says:

    Control it has always been about control.

  48. Bob Johnston says:

    I expect there will be little effect due to this – the governmental dietary guidelines are already politicized – people are already encouraged to eat the unhealthiest foods we know under the guise that they’re actually good for us. As mentioned above – grains and other carbohydrates (in particular “healthywholewheat”) are the cause of the chronic disease that are crippling our nation but unsurprisingly are the foods that we’re supposed to base our diet upon.

    As always my general rule of thumb applies – if the US government is recommending one thing doing the opposite is probably the better choice.

  49. davidmhoffer says:

    Follow the money. If this drives up the price of food, then there’s someone benefiting from that price increase. Who?

  50. jeff 5778 said:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:57 am
    Indoctrination gets more effective every day.
    ————
    I agree with Jeff; this is infiltrating the warmunist message into the subconscious of the kiddies. They will absorb from their food menu the inimical nature of carbon and the association will stick with them for a lifetime.

    Insidious.

  51. Bryan A says:

    If you wish, you can and really should contact your senator regarding this travesty
    Here
    http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

  52. rogerknights says:

    Maybe this is what Chipotle was worried about?

  53. rogerknights says:

    Mark and two Cats says:
    March 10, 2014 at 12:30 pm
    jeff 5778 said:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:57 am
    Indoctrination gets more effective every day.
    ————
    I agree with Jeff; this is infiltrating the warmunist message into the subconscious of the kiddies. They will absorb from their food menu the inimical nature of carbon and the association will stick with them for a lifetime.

    Unless the globe turns cooler, in which case the kiddies’ take-away will be, “If you learned it in school, it’s probably a lie.”

  54. D Nash says:

    Counting ‘Carbs’ has reached a new low. Is this the new Atkins diet?

  55. A.D. Everard says:

    Isn’t it time we all ate our Greens? I understand it will be good for us.

  56. Cold in Wisconsin says:

    They are one by one eliminating the very reasons that our ancestors risked their lives and fortunes to come here in the first place–freedom to choose our own fate. This is virtually forcing us to follow their religion (since it can’t be proven objectively anyway.) And in the meantime half the American food production is tied up by the ethanol mandate. At least they should be internally consistent and remove that stupid policy which is actually expending more fossil fuel than it spares.

  57. philjourdan says:

    I think that needs to be updated to the 21st century. Obama-Un

  58. philjourdan says:

    @Mike Tremblay – and lifeguards.

  59. Tom in Florida says:

    Is there any doubt left in anyone’s mind that it has been and always will be about control. Recently I have seen headlines about high protein diets being bad. Now we see why, that was the prelude to no more beef, it creates too large of a carbon footprint. Of course, that only applies to the general public, the ruling class will continue to eat whatever they desire.

    Dennis Leary said it best in this scene from Demolition Man:

  60. harrywr2 says:

    The warmists are in a bit of a bind in the US.

    This fall the Senate will be ‘in play’(I.E. It’s conceivable that the ‘other party’ could end up in control. Actually bringing something to the floor of the Senate to vote on that might cost a Democratic Senator running for election a handfull of votes if strictly ‘verboten’ until after the election.

    Hence…we are treated to a bunch of circus acts to keep ‘the choir’ engaged without actually doing anything.

  61. Keith A. Nonemaker says:

    One fact that will certainly not make it into the President’s report: the fact that increased atmospheric CO2 would substantially increase yields of plant nutrition. Over 4000 peer-reviewed studies have been performed on over 600 plant species to determine their response to CO2.
    The results show that adding 300 PPM of CO2 causes substantial increases in crop yields.
    The average improvement for 300 ppm extra CO2 is 48.66%. The most studied plants are Wheat, Rice, and Soybeans, with a total of over 600 studies. They show an average of +37.89% yield.
    Other noteworthy results include: Peanut (+60.30%), Garden Bean (+64.30%), Common Beet (+66.30%), Pigeon Pea (+75.00%), Blackeyed Pea (+77.00%), Carrot (+77.80%), Red Raspberry (+111.80%), Scallion (+135.00%), and Blackberries at a whopping +675.00%! (By the way, blackberries are also one of the top 10 anti-oxidant foods.)
    Data is available at co2science.org.

  62. NRG22 says:

    People were thinner in the 1940s through the 70s. The more the government gets involved the worse people are weight and health wise. Remember them telling us how much healthier margarine was than butter? Until they found out about trans fats, oops, my bad.

    Personally, I can’t eat a lot of carbs. I crave carbs, could eat nothing but carbs all day long, but I pay for it by gaining a lot of weight and having no energy. When the government began pushing more and more carbs into the dietary recommendations we saw a lot more people overweight, and now obese. Anything the US government says to do, do the opposite.

    Funny article here: http://perform-360.com/2012/09/07/a-110-year-history-of-government-food-advice/#prettyPhoto

  63. Martin 457 says:

    The [snip] cult is at it again. Prey on the children, they can be taught the way.

  64. No wonder Putin ignores Obama. The next POTUS is going to spend 4 years just fixing what has been broken before they can get on with developing the nation. ( … Oh wait. Maybe somehow Putin knows exactly what Obama’s goals are….nahhh. 😒 )

  65. Jaakko Kateenkorva says:

    What? There is no known carbonless life. Inorganic meals ahead?

  66. goldminor says:

    It must be spring time. The insanity is blooming rapidly. I hope it doesn’t start taking over the rest of the garden.

  67. Fabi says:

    I’m rapidly losing patience with these unscientific fascists. Sanity must return and prevail soon.

  68. TRM says:

    Two words come to mind … “Da Comrad”

  69. David, UK says:

    And here was I thinking all food was a carbon-neutral cycle. After all, whether veg or fish or meat, it only contains carbon derived from atmospheric CO2 which existed during its lifetime. And so it is returned. Dust to dust, and all that.

  70. David, UK says:

    Oops, I was forgetting the energy used to produce/harvest the stuff.

    Okay, what we need is some kind of Mao-esque quota-driven food-production program. That could never fail.

    Oh, wait…

  71. Perry says:

    Obama food fetish.

    I’m here to inform you all that whatever you believed up to this moment was totally incorrect. Here is the evidence, released just 5 days ago.

    The cardiometabolic consequences of replacing saturated fats with carbohydrates or Ω-6 polyunsaturated fats: Do the dietary guidelines have it wrong?

    Introduction
    A recent publication by Malhotra1 was refreshing, inspiring and hit on an important topic that has been heavily debated for over 50 years, that is, are saturated fats as bad as we have been led to believe?

    The final nail in the low-fat diet coffin is two randomised trials, one for the primary prevention of cardiovascular disease, PREDIMED38 (Prevención con Dieta Med- iterránea), indicating a reduction in the incidence of major cardiovascular events with a Mediterranean diet compared with a low-fat diet, and the other for the secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease, the Lyon Diet Heart Study39 showing that a Mediterranean diet reduces all-cause and cardiovascular mortality as well as non-fatal myocardial infarction compared with a prudent diet.

    Conclusions
    In summary, the benefits of a low-fat diet (particularly a diet replacing saturated fats with carbohydrates or Ω-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids) are severely challenged. Dietary guidelines should assess the totality of the evidence and strongly reconsider their recommendations for replacing saturated fats with carbohydrates or Ω-6 polyunsaturated fats.

    http://openheart.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000032.full?sid=5e6b0cad-75ea-41a1-85e6-e5461d77846c

    Cordially.

  72. Robert W Turner says:

    Just saw this on the news today. They are going to be using the imagined water requirements for certain foods to advise against eating them, i.e. meat. I once did some back-of-the-napkin calculations on their claims of the amount of water used to bring beef to the dinner table, it came out to each bovine requiring nine times their volume of water each day. They claim that each egg requires 53 gallons of water to get to your table. It would be quite the task but it would be interesting to see the total imagined water use for the food we eat. My money would be on the number being quite unbelievable or even impossible.

  73. michael hart says:

    There go Doug Cotton’s pizzas…

  74. DirkH says:

    D Nash says:
    March 10, 2014 at 12:38 pm
    “Counting ‘Carbs’ has reached a new low. Is this the new Atkins diet?”

    No. The Atkins diet works.
    Atkins diet was not Atkins idea ; and 100 years before invented
    How Bad Science and Big Business Created the Obesity Epidemic

    David Diamond, Ph.D., of the University of South Florida College of Arts and Sciences shares his personal story about his battle with obesity. Diamond shows how he lost weight and reduced his triglycerides by eating red meat, eggs and butter.

  75. Pete says:

    Mindless. Simply Mindless.

  76. Gunga Din says:

    So carbon-based life forms are not to eat carbon-based foods that leave a carbon footprint?
    There are lots of diet plans out there. Atkins, Palm Beach, Jenny Craig, etc.
    This is the first “food-free diet” I’ve ever heard of.

  77. The Nazis were greenie enthusiasts and they also had a national diet program….

  78. Gunga Din says:

    A.D. Everard says:
    March 10, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Isn’t it time we all ate our Greens? I understand it will be good for us.

    ================================================================
    Soylent?
    No thanks. 8-)
    But such a life is where Obamacide is leading us.

  79. As Ted Williams used to say: “This is getting re-god-damned-diculus”

  80. Duster says:

    David G says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:56 am

    What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]

    Indeed. He’s a lawyer, and being a lawyer relies on “experts.” Also, lawyers are by and large advocates. At least mine had better be my advocate, otherwise he’ll be looking for another client.

  81. Gunga Din says:

    Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:38 am

    graphicconception says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Well, that is one of the best jokes I heard recently: carbon free carbohydrates, something on the same level as the dangers of DHMO, I suppose…

    ======================================================================
    The dangers of DHMO. (http://dhmo.org/) That never gets old, does it?
    it’s all in the packaging, not what’s in the package.
    Maybe those trying to put makeup on the climate models could learn something….

  82. Robin says:

    Anthony-this food guidelines ties into this Risk and Vulnerabilities Assessment that Portland, Oregon has put up for Public Comment. http://www.portlandoregon.gov/bps/64079 . Other cities like Atlanta and the Twin Cities who are also aggressive on the Regionalism front are likely to push something similar with just different pictures.

    Also notice the other document on page 13 gets to the heart of what is really behind the refusal to let CAGW go, whatever the temps or weather conditions. “How Does this Strategy Advance Equity?” With equity defined in terms of Marx’s vision of a human development society. “Equity is when everyone has accesss to the opportunities necessary to satisfy their essential needs, advance their wellbeing and achieve their full potential.”

  83. NRG22 says:

    Meanwhile in the real world…

    My daughter is at university. They offer care packages to students through the school. I did not sign my daughter up, and she thanked me. Today I get the mail and find this letter regarding an extension of the program. I had to laugh. I left out the university name, but if anyone wants to know I will give the info.

  84. Robin says:

    The second document at that link. The Climate Change Preparation Strategy, lays out on page 61 the philosophy behind the supposed stress on Food Systems and the declared resulting need for Food Security.

  85. George Daddis says:

    I (foolishly) believed there was a guideline that required an analysis of the BENEFITS as well as of the costs of any new regulation.
    If EVERYONE in the US switched immediately to the new diet (and agriculture adapted to the new norm), and we stayed on it for 10 years, how much of a temperature reduction would be achieved?

  86. Gunga Din says:

    George Daddis says:
    March 10, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    I (foolishly) believed there was a guideline that required an analysis of the BENEFITS as well as of the costs of any new regulation.
    If EVERYONE in the US switched immediately to the new diet (and agriculture adapted to the new norm), and we stayed on it for 10 years, how much of a temperature reduction would be achieved?

    ======================================================================
    I suppose that would depend on how many of the 98.6°F mobile furnaces would be reduced to ambient temperature.

  87. Paul Coppin says:

    “What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]

    Indeed. He’s a lawyer, and being a lawyer relies on “experts.” ”

    No, not quite. He’s a Hahvahd lawyer. Never expected to have to work a day in his life. So far, it appears that he never has.

  88. goldminor said:
    March 10, 2014 at 1:08 pm
    It must be spring time. The insanity is blooming rapidly. I hope it doesn’t start taking over the rest of the garden.
    ————
    and the flowers bloom like madness in the Spring

  89. Alan Robertson says:

    Paul Coppin says:
    March 10, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    “What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]

    Indeed. He’s a lawyer, and being a lawyer relies on “experts.” ”

    No, not quite. He’s a Hahvahd lawyer. Never expected to have to work a day in his life. So far, it appears that he never has.
    ________________________
    Come on, now- cut him some slack. He’s on vacation.

  90. RJ says:

    I suppose a key requirement we be that we all have to stop eating corn so that the whole crop can be made into bio-fuel.

  91. Jimbo says:

    No more, says Stier: “For the first time in the history of the guidelines, ‘sustainability’ is part of the agenda. Actual items on their Dietary Guidelines working group agenda include ‘immigration,’ ‘global climate change’ and ‘agriculture/aquaculture sustainability.’”

    In the not too distant future the USA will have vast net migration out of the US. It will be the “land of the enslaved and the home of the very frightened. “

  92. Chad Woodburn says:

    And so continues the ongoing process of the government alienating those of us who do not conform to its ideological premises.

  93. theBuckWheat says:

    Now, more than ever, every aspect of government science is tainted and now controlled by ideology , political preferences and even a willing tool of propagandists. This is horrible corruption. It is not so bad that people who wear the mantle of “smartest people in the room” do this, but look at how many useful idiots swallow their claims, even when the truth is as close as a Google search on their personal ObamaPhone.

  94. True Conservative says:

    Does this mean that Michelle is going to give up the $50 a pound Kobe beef she thinks the proletariat should pay for?

  95. umeinu says:

    Great. More dietary advice from the same geniuses that gave us the “Food Pyramid” that told everyone to eat 14 portions of carbs every day.

  96. Mac the Knife says:

    David G says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:56 am
    What an idiot, this man is worse than Bush!;]

    David G,
    You just figured this out NOW???!!!!
    Where have you been, for the last 8 years or so????????

  97. Chad Wozniak says:

    @Cold in Wisconsin -
    ALL green energy policies ultimately result in burning more fossil fuels than if there were no green energy – up to 15 percent more fossil fuel must be burned to produce the same gross amount of electric power when there is wind or solar, as in a system with no wind or solar (for spinning reserve, which burns fuel but isn’t feeding power into the grid, and inefficient quick start units that burn 2 to 4 times as much to generate the same power output – all necessary to prevent the grid from collapsing when the wind stops or the Sun goes behind clouds).

    The whole green meme is a fallacy and a criminal waste. And as for der Fuehrer’s “dietary guidelines,” I’d tell him to stick ‘em where the Sun don’t shine, and lay off propagandizing kids. Reprehensible beyond reprehensible.

  98. H.R. says:

    All that will be left to eat is Stone Soup; hold the bread, meat, and vegetables.
    http://www.stonesoup.com/the-original-stone-soup-story/

  99. C Fetterman says:

    Al true believers in CAGW can show their dedication to the cause by simply taking in a large breath of air and holding it for, say about 10 minutes. There will be a huge reduction in their carbon footprint just from that one simple act of contrition.

  100. philincalifornia says:

    Gunga Din says:
    March 10, 2014 at 2:24 pm
    Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:38 am

    graphicconception says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Well, that is one of the best jokes I heard recently: carbon free carbohydrates, something on the same level as the dangers of DHMO, I suppose…

    ======================================================================
    The dangers of DHMO. (http://dhmo.org/) That never gets old, does it?
    it’s all in the packaging, not what’s in the package.
    Maybe those trying to put makeup on the climate models could learn something….
    ———————————————-

    Will you guys stop it. Next thing you know, UEA scientists will be claiming DHMO is a previously undiscovered greenhouse gas.

  101. Gail Combs says:

    philjourdan says: @ March 10, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Reminds me eerily of Ceaușescu and his wife…..
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I was thinking more of Marie Antoinette after reading the menu for the the France State Dinner.
    ……….
    I am sure the idea is to deprive people of meat and force a more vegetarian diet.

    BAD IDEA!

    Role of red meat in the diet for children and adolescents.
    KEY POINTS

    * Optimal nutrition during the first years of life is crucial for optimal growth and development and, possibly, the prevention of chronic disease of adulthood….

    * Meat is a core food in the diet for children and adolescents because it provides significant amounts of these micronutrients.

    INTRODUCTION
    …In 1968, Dobbing (1) suggested that there were vulnerable periods of neurological development that coincided with times of maximal brain growth. These periods begin during foetal development at around the 25th week of gestation and continue for the first two years of postnatal life. Nutrient deficiencies occurring during these vulnerable periods may well have an impact upon brain growth and, hence, neurological and psychomotor development. (1) These nutrient deficits have subsequently been shown to result in more functional deficiencies rather than physical abnormalities. Not only is optimal nutrition essential for achieving optimal physical and psychosocial development, but it also appears to have significant disease implications for later in adult life. …..

    Meat eating behind evolutionary success of humankind, global population spread, study suggests
    …..Carnivory is behind the evolutionary success of humankind. When early humans started to eat meat and eventually hunt, their new, higher-quality diet meant that women could wean their children earlier….

    …. humans do not differ from other carnivores with respect to timing of weaning. All carnivorous species, from small animals such as ferrets and raccoons to large ones like panthers, killer whales and humans, have a relatively short breast-feeding period. The difference between us and the great apes, which has puzzled previous researchers, seems to depend merely on the fact that as a species we are carnivores, whereas gorillas, orangutans and chimpanzees are herbivores or omnivores….

    Reducing diet early in pregnancy stunts fetal brain development, study finds
    Summary:
    The fetal brain is vulnerable to even moderate decreases in nutrition during the first half of pregnancy, a new study indicates

    The researchers found decreased formation of cell-to-cell connections, cell division and amounts of growth factors in the fetuses of mothers fed a reduced diet during the first half of pregnancy. “This is a critical time window when many of the neurons as well as the supporting cells in the brain are born,” said Peter Nathanielsz, M.D., Ph.D., director of the Center for Pregnancy and Newborn Research in the Health Science Center School of Medicine.

    …. The team compared two groups of baboon mothers located at SFBR’s Southwest National Primate Research Center. One group ate as much as they wanted during the first half of pregnancy while the other group was fed 30 percent less, a level of nutrition similar to what many prospective mothers in the U.S. experience…..

    “This study is a further demonstration of the importance of good maternal health and diet,” Dr. McDonald said. “It supports the view that poor diets in pregnancy can alter development of fetal organs, in this case the brain, in ways that will have lifetime effects on offspring, potentially lowering IQ and predisposing to behavioral problems.”…..
    (wwwDOT)sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110117152741.htm

  102. TomR,Worc,MA,USA says:

    Cloudbuster says:

    March 10, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    ………….. Eat that extra donut, folks — it’s for the planet!
    ====================================

    I always knew I was one of the good guys!!!

  103. Gail Combs says:

    Mike Hohmann says….
    ….
    My health has improved greatly since I cut the carbs, especially wheat ten years ago.

  104. Janice Moore says:

    GAIL! #(:))

    I sure hope you see THIS (been trying for days you busy woman, you).

    Please click on that link to a message to you from me (and the one inside that post) — thanks!

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/06/chevron-defeats-the-greens-with-their-own-hubris/#comment-1585050

    Janice

  105. Gail Combs says:

    Box of Rocks says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:56 am

    Tom J says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:35 am
    ******

    Tar, feathers? You are too kind.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    There is drawn and quartered after the tar and feathers.

  106. Chad Wozniak says:

    @Gail Combs -

    Before the advent of agriculture 12 or 13 thousand years ago, man’s diet was at least 85 percent meat.

    Man has the digestive system of a carnivore, virtually identical to that of a dog or cat, with one minor exception – the vermiform appendix, the last relict of herbivorous ancestors.

    LOVE THAT CARBON FOOTPRINT!! LONG LIVE HIGHER CROP YIELDS!! LONG LIVE MORE DROUGHT RESISTANCE!!

  107. Chad Wozniak says:

    @True Conservative -
    Yes, rather sounds like Marie Antoinette’s “Let them eat cake,” doesn’t it. Marie Antoinette, all right. Amazing how these elitists could care less that their fantasies hurt poor people first and hurt them the worst.

  108. Chad Wozniak says:

    Also in re eating meat – it seems that almost every day one hears of some other essential nutrient that can be obtained only from meat.

  109. Gail Combs says:

    davidmhoffer says: @ March 10, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Follow the money. If this drives up the price of food, then there’s someone benefiting from that price increase. Who?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Council on Foreign Relations: How Goldman Sachs Created the Food Crisis

    Rothschild cashes in by Investing in Farmland

    Maine’s newest big-time landowner is also the nation’s largest landowner: John Malone (center) is now the United States’ largest landowner
    bangordailynews(DOT)com/2011/10/12/news/state/maine’s-newest-big-time-landowner-is-also-the-nation’s-largest-landowner/

    CNNMONEY -Betting the farm: As world population expands, the demand for arable land should soar. At least that’s what George Soros, Lord Rothschild, and other investors believe.
    money(DOT)cnn.com/2009/06/08/retirement/betting_the_farm.fortune/

    Who’s controlling the global food supply? Investors are grabbing up giant swaths of farm land around the world
    (wwwDOT)startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/190042751.html

    Investing in Farmland: 4 Ways to Play the Agricultural Boom
    For at least the last decade, economically savvy investors have been investing in hard assets as an inflation hedge against future and present economic uncertainty…. Global investors are scooping up deals on farmland in Russia, Brazil, and many African countries.

    ….For years, U.S. farmland could be purchased at phenomenally low prices. However, as more investors lined up to buy, supplies of good arable farmland began declining, causing nationwide prices to double just over the past five years….

    According to the National Council of Real Estate Investment Fiduciaries, U.S. farmland generated a total return of 15.1% in 2011. In contrast, the S&P 500 Index ended the year flat….
    (wwwDOT)financialsense.com/contributors/jerry-robinson/investing-farmland-four-ways-play-agricultural-boom

    Given I have been saying this about the land grab and the food control grab for years, I am surprised you were not aware of this.

  110. Bruce says:

    Another Obamanable turd sandwich from the Bush blossom!

  111. Janice Moore says:

    Dear Gail Combs,

    I hope you will see this. (I posted a message to you on this thread at 5:22pm, btw). I very much want to eventually give you a better answer to your question to me of many days ago (re: standing). It will take me, as I said, many, many, hours to produce such a memorandum of the quality that I must do if I do it at all.

    I am having IMMENSE difficulty in contacting you (just the nature of a blog). I’m now thinking I don’t want to do that project, for there seems to be a very good possibility that I will never be able to contact you to let you know it is posted somewhere (since it would be very long, I’d use a defunct thread).

    If I don’t hear from you, I’m going to put this research project on the shelf. Too much work to risk it going to waste.

    With admiration for all the great, high-value, posts you do on WUWT,

    Yours,

    Janice

  112. Philip Haddad says:

    What a ridiculous proposition! Carbon dioxide isn’t even the cause of global warming/climate change. The burning of fossil fuel is to supply HEAT, and the HEAT emitted from our energy use is four times that which can be accounted for by the rise in atmospheric temperature. Where did the rest of the HEAT go? And what does that leave for CO2 to be blamed for?

  113. Pamela Gray says:

    They can’t possibly make school lunches any more disgusting than they are right now. It has gotten so bad that folks won’t even buy the “adult” meals (which are pre-ordered and different than the kid meals). This is especially true at the Elementary level. Yuckckckcckckck!!!!!!

  114. Gail Combs says:

    It occurs to me that many here at WUWT are not aware of the behind the scenes stuff going on in food. Over the last couple decades there has been a major consolidation in the control of food not only in the USA but world wide. These ten corporations have a lot of power in Washington DC as the World Trade Organization Agreement on Agriculture and the Food Safety Modernization Act show.

    Ann Veneman is a classic example. She went from a lawyer at Patton Boggs, a Washington law/lobby firm involved in the Chevron suit, to USDA foreign trade negotiator (for WTO) She was a board member of a Monsanto subsidiary company before she became US Secretary of Agriculture for George W. Bush in 2001 then worked as a United Nations Executive Director and is now a board member of Nestlé. That revolving door sure does spin doesn’t it?

    Over the last half century agricultural business has become horizontally integrated over different commodity sectors, and more recently vertical integration has come into play. Many livestock producers purchase their feed from the same firms to which they sell their animals or in the case of chickens, the farmer doesn’t even own the birds or equipment and even his mortgage is owned by the corporation he is contracted to. Once hooked, the farmer is a slave to the corporation, never able to get out of debt because the equipment becomes obsolete thanks to new USDA regulations before the debt is paid. Many I know personally have not seen a raise since 1982.

    The undercutting of grain crop prices has also allowed the control of hogs by the four largest firms to increase from 37 percent in 1987 to 60 percent by 1998.

    …six multinational corporations — BASF, Bayer, Dow, DuPont, Monsanto and Syngenta — control 75 per cent of all private-sector plant breeding research, 60 per cent of the commercial seed market and 76 per cent of global pesticide and fertiliser sales.

    And in livestock genetics, it says, four firms control 97 per cent of research on poultry and two thirds of swine and cattle research….
    http://www.scidev.net/global/food-security/news/world-agribusiness-r-d-controlled-by-cosy-cartel.html

    Congressional Record Volume 146, Number 36 (Tuesday, March 28, 2000)
    [Senate]
    [Pages S1807-S1809]
    From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Printing Office

    ….And finally, unless we address the current trend of consolidation and vertical integration in corporate agriculture, nothing else we do to maintain the family size farms will succeed. The farm share of profit in the food system has been declining for over 20 years. From 1994 to 1998, consumer prices have increased 3 percent while the prices paid to farmers for their products has plunged 36 percent. Likewise, the impact of price disparity is reinforced by reports of record profits among agribusinesses at the same time producers are suffering an economic depression.

    In the past decade and a half, an explosion of mergers, acquisitions, and anti-competitive practices has raised concentration in American agriculture to record levels.

    The top four pork packers have increased their market share from 36 percent to 57 percent. In fact, the world’s largest pork producer and processor is getting bigger. Smithfield Foods is buying the Farmland Industries plant in Dubuque, Iowa. This deal should be complete by mid-May.

    The top four beef packers have expanded their market share from 32 percent to 80 percent.

    The top four flour millers have increased their market share from 40 percent to 62 percent.

    The market share of the top four soybean crushers has jumped from 54 percent to 80 percent.

    The top four turkey processors now control 42 percent of production. Forty-nine percent of all chicken broilers are now slaughtered by the four largest firms. The top four firms control 67 percent of ethanol production.

    The top four sheep, poultry, wet corn, and dry corn processors now control 73 percent, 55 percent, 74 percent, and 57 percent of the market, respectively.

    The four largest grain buyers control nearly 40 percent of elevator facilities.

    By conventional measures, none of these markets are really competitive. According to the economic literature, markets are no longer competitive if the top four firms control over 40 percent. In all the markets I just listed, the market share of the top four firms is 40 percent or more. So there really is no effective competition in these processing markets.

    But now, with this explosion of mergers, acquisitions, joint ventures, marketing agreements, and anticompetitive behavior by the largest firms, these and other commodity markets are becoming more and more concentrated by the day….
    (wwwDOT)gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2000-03-28/html/CREC-2000-03-28-pt1-PgS1807-2.htm

    New Farm Bill and U.S. Trade Policy: Implications for Family Farms and Rural Communities
    John Ikerd, Professor Emeritus, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO – USA.
    Presented at “Grain Place” Farm Tour and Seminar, Aurora, Nebraska, July 27, 2002

    …Not surprisingly, the same forces that have shaped U.S. farm policy have shaped U.S. agricultural trade policy. The Agricultural Establishment encouraged U.S. farmers to support the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), with the promise of free access to growing markets of agricultural products in Mexico and Canada. The Agricultural Establishment told U.S. farmers that agriculture should be brought under the General Agreement on Tariff and Trade (GATT), with the promise of greater access to growing markets worldwide. The NAFTA became law on January 1, 1994 and the World Trade Organization (WTO), with greatly expanded authority over agricultural trade, replaced the GATT on January 1, 1995. Most American farmers embraced these new trade agreements, along with “Freedom to Farm” bill of 1996, because the Agricultural Establishment convinced them that “global free trade” was their key to prosperity.

    So far, corporate agribusiness has been the only major benefactor of the new global agricultural economy. Agribusiness has prospered while American farmers have been made unwilling “wards of the government.” The only industry more profitable than food processing and distribution during the decade of the 1990s was pharmaceuticals. The farm commodity organizations and the Farm Bureau have come under increasing criticism from the rank and file of their farmer members, as their true allegiances have become more widely known. The USDA and the Land Grant Universities have become viewed with increasing skepticism by many farmers because of their close financial and professional alliances with corporate agribusiness. American farmers are beginning to understand that the “future of farming” and the “future of the agricultural industry” are two distinctively different concepts.

    Increasingly, the Agricultural Establishment is becoming dominated by the agribusiness corporations, which increasingly are multinational in scope of operation and ownership. Not surprisingly then, Americans increasingly are losing control of American agriculture. Increasingly, decisions concerning what to produce, how much to produce, where to produce, how to produce, and who will produce, are being made, not by American citizens, but by a handful of multinational corporations.[3] The people who own the land and do the work may still be Americans, but the decisions are being made by someone else, somewhere else. For the most part, contractual arrangements dictate the important decisions, leaving “producers” as little more than landlords, tractor drivers, or hog house janitors, but certainly not with the traditional role of “farmer.”
    [Includes links to summaries of global food consolidation studies]
    web(DOT)missouri.edu/ikerdj/papers/FarmBill.html

    I hesitate to link to this site since the guy has a bad reputation but it does have a decent listing of the eleven corporations (now ten due to a merger) link so it makes a starting place for further investigation.

  115. F. Ross says:

    “New York, NY / Washington DC – At a closed-door meeting to take place March 14, the Obama Administration’s Departments of Agriculture and Health and Human Services plan to update the nation’s “dietary guidelines”
    …”
    [+emphasis] Is this that same admiinistration that was going to be the most open in history?
    No input from the public?

  116. H.R. says:

    I suppose the elites won’t be happy until the proles are reduced to eating road kill.

    @ Pamela: maybe it’s already happening with school lunches? ;o)

  117. Gail Combs says:

    Pamela Gray says: @ March 10, 2014 at 6:32 pm
    >>>>>>>>>
    Pam is it true that at least some schools will not allow lunches to be brought from home? (Fear of peanut butter cookies, peanut oil fried chicken… getting eaten by peanut allergy kid.)

  118. David Falkner says:

    Seriously. Russia will just have to stand back and watch. They don’t need their own Reagan. We are running ourselves into the ground.

  119. Gail Combs says:

    Tom in Florida says: @ March 10, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Is there any doubt left in anyone’s mind that it has been and always will be about control. Recently I have seen headlines about high protein diets being bad. Now we see why, that was the prelude to no more beef, it creates too large of a carbon footprint….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I am more cynical than you.

    FOLLOW THE MONEY!
    One of the big meat packers in the USA is now JBS Swift. Four firms control over 80 percent of all the beef slaughtered.The others are Tyson Foods, Cargill Meat Solutions Corp and National Beef Packing Company LLC. In February and March 2008, JBS signed agreements to acquire the fourth- and fifth-largest U.S. beef packers, National Beef Packing Company and the Smithfield Beef Group, respectively. The acquisition of Five Rivers Ranch Cattle Feeding, would make JBS the largest cattle feeder in the United States. The DOJ filed an antitrust lawsuit at the urging of R-CALF ( Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund) and others.

    …The Brazilian brothers who run the company [JBS Swift], Wesley and Joesley Batista, are famous for their serial acquisitions—since 2005 they’ve bought more than a dozen companies for $14 billion in cash, stock, and debt. The spree has made JBS the biggest foreign meat company on U.S. soil, the world’s biggest producer of beef and chicken, and one of the largest pork producers….
    (wwwDOT)businessweek.com/articles/2013-09-19/brazilian-meatpacker-jbs-wrangles-the-u-dot-s-dot-beef-industry

    Cargill has clout but the other three don’t have much clout.

    Next take a look at ADM, Archer Daniels Midland Co. Dwayne Andreas, ADM CEO is the all time largest campaign contributor to the democratic and republican parties. As Mother Jones mag said ” Dwayne Andreas has made a fortune with the help of politicians from Hubert Humphrey to Bob Dole. ”

    So what is ADM into besides Biofuel?

    This is the place where corn, wheat, and soybeans from the American breadbasket are brought to be manufactured into the “food products” that go into everything from Campbell’s Soups to La Choy Chinese dinners.

    no other U.S. company is so reliant on politicians and governments to butter its bread. From the postwar food-aid programs that opened new markets in the Third World to the subsidies for corn, sugar, and ethanol that are now under attack as “corporate welfare,” ADM’s bottom line has always been interwoven with public policy. To reinforce this relationship, Andreas has contributed impressively to the campaigns of politicians, from Richard Nixon and Hubert Humphrey to Bill Clinton and Bob Dole.

    Sitting behind a lunch of soy burgers, soy taco meat, and soy cheese dessert, Andreas announces that global capitalism is a delusion. “There isn’t one grain of anything in the world that is sold in a free market. Not one! The only place you see a free market is in the speeches of politicians. People who are not in the Midwest do not understand that this is a socialist country.”
    ….”We’re the biggest [food and agriculture] company in the world,” Andreas explains. “How is the government going to run without people like us? We make 35 percent of the bread in this country, and that much of the margarine, and cooking oil, and all the other things.”…

    ADM’s protein enhancers are common in pet foods, and its texturized vegetable protein is the stuff burritos and meatless burgers are made of. If you look at the side of a can of Coca-Cola you will see that ADM corn sweetener is the second ingredient listed, after water. If you tank up on gasohol, the odds are 60 percent that the ethanol in the blend is made by ADM. And if you decide to get tanked on martinis, you will find that ADM is also the nation’s largest producer of the grain alcohol used to make gin, vodka, and liqueurs.….
    (wwwDOT)motherjones.com/politics/1995/07/dwaynes-world

    This listing of some of ADMs brands gives you an idea of WHO is pushing a ‘NO MEAT’ diet. ADM is very much into grain, oilseed and bean products.

    …NovaLipid™
    Our NovaLipid line offers fats and oils specifically formulated to contain little or no trans fat.

    Novasoy®
    Isoflavones are believed to help maintain bone and heart health. And ADM, maker of the Novasoy brand, is one of the largest isoflavone producers in the world.

    NutriSoy®
    ADM’s NutriSoy soy protein is a naturally derived, high-quality protein designed to fortify food products-and their labels.

    VegeFull™
    VegeFull, ADM’s line of bean ingredients, provides a convenient way for food manufacturers to take advantage of the many nutritional benefits of beans when creating better-for-you foods that consumers will enjoy.
    http://www.adm.com/en-US/products/brands/Pages/default.aspx

  120. Power Grab says:

    I feel so sorry for the school children nowadays. I remember having mystery meat, a cooked veggie, a fresh-baked dinner roll, and whole milk in elementary school. These days they call it a lunch when they offer them a tiny cup of raw broccoli, a tiny cup of grapes, and skim milk. Who can keep their mind on their studies if that’s all they had for lunch?

  121. Gail Combs says:

    NRG22 says: @ March 10, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    People were thinner in the 1940s through the 70s. The more the government gets involved the worse people are weight and health wise….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the 1940s the Committee on Economic Development was formed and lined up US farmers in the cross hairs to be shot down. link Animals, Fruits and veggies take a lot more work than grains so if you want farmers to “Get Big or Get Out” (Sec of Ag Earl L. Butz) you want people to fill-up on pasta and bread.

    Grain products also have more “Value added” so are more ‘attractive’ to big business.

  122. Gail Combs says:

    Jaakko Kateenkorva says:
    March 10, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    What? There is no known carbonless life. Inorganic meals ahead?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    New bumper stickers:
    Let them eat ROCKS.

    Greens should EAT ROCKS,
    they don’t contain CARBON

  123. Gail Combs says:

    Robert W Turner says: @ March 10, 2014 at 1:30 pm
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    They are looking at the water to grow corn to be fed to the animals in concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs).

    Dump the animals back on pastures or cleaning up the bugs in orchards and gardens and the problems go away.

  124. Gail Combs says:

    NRG22 says: @ March 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    Meanwhile in the real world…
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the name of the Ten Thousand Little God’s who do they think they are giving that crap to a kiddie in kindergarten?

    The only thing out of that entire pile of useless empty calories that I might touch is the Slim Jim and that is only if I was starving.

    What ever happen to fruits, nuts and cheese as healthy snacks?

  125. Gail Combs says:

    Jimbo says: @ March 10, 2014 at 3:37 pm

    In the not too distant future the USA will have vast net migration out of the US. It will be the “land of the enslaved and the home of the very frightened. “
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I have been calling it the “land of the regulated and the home of the wimp. “

    And just today a friend and I were discussing the best places to immigrate to.

  126. Gail Combs says:

    Janice Moore says: @ March 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm
    >>>>>>>>
    Janice,
    If you ever do the research you might want to have A.W. put it up as a post for the other lawyer types (we do have some) to critique . Of course I expect all the legalize about not being legal advise yadiyadiya…
    Still it might make an interesting post to look at especially the way we are headed here in the USA.

  127. Gail Combs says:

    Power Grab says:
    March 10, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    I feel so sorry for the school children nowadays. I remember having mystery meat, a cooked veggie, a fresh-baked dinner roll, and whole milk in elementary school. These days they call it a lunch when they offer them a tiny cup of raw broccoli, a tiny cup of grapes, and skim milk. Who can keep their mind on their studies if that’s all they had for lunch?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I wonder how many kiddies are jumping out of their skins because the fatty sheaths around their nerves are disintegrating.

    Mom was put on a no-fat diet by a doctor and had that happen to her so I am not kidding when I say that.

    …Fats are essential to bodily function. The EFA’s enable saturated fats to be oxidized and provide heat and energy; they easily combine with protein and oxygen and pump them through the body; fats are also stored for body insulation and future utilization, used in cell membrane repair, secreted in milk and excreted in the feces. Fats are needed to replenish the fatty sheath around nerves, pad joints and organs and provide a vehicle for the fat soluble vitamins (D,E,K,A and F); they are also converted to other lipids which provide the basis for hormones and body fluids….
    http://www.icnr.com/articles/facts-about-fats.html

  128. NRG22 says:

    Gail Combs says:
    March 10, 2014 at 8:11 pm
    ——————
    No, no, that’s college care packages that they put together for parants to buy and the college delivers it to the student. I laughed that it was described as “tasty and wholesome foods” and “high energy success snacks.” Tasty, sure, wholesome, no. The high energy kit is only high carb and bad fats and if that’s what they think is good for success at college I’m worried. This is a first rate public university.

    The stress buster kit is something you would give to a kindergartener, and my daughter is 18. Sheesh. I’m trying to get my children to grow up and society keeps throwing up roadblocks.

  129. NRG22 says:

    Wish I could edit, typo above should be parents.

  130. lee says:

    Cannibalism Now- Eat Your Greens

  131. Janice Moore says:

    Oh, Gail Combs I am so GLAD that you saw my post. Thanks for responding. I will let you know (of course, trying to let anyone know anything here can take days!) when (if) I get that memorandum done.

    If others end up reading it and critiquing that basic law memo that would be great. I am not, however, going to enter into any such discussion (except to answer your questions … very carefully…). Such a public conversation could far too easily cross over the line into “legal advice” (upon which someone might successfully argue he or she had a right to rely and did to his or her detriment…it’s a pretty subjective standard) for me. It could be done, but, in this setting, I’m not going to risk it.

    And, thanks for the encouragement, but I will definitely NOT ask A-th-ony to post it as a main post.

    Please forgive what will, no matter what, be a long delay until you hear from me on this matter again.

    Janice

    P.S. Sure hope you guys got that heater running before nightfall yesterday. Take care and keep warm!

  132. Chad Wozniak says:

    @Gail Combs -

    Kind of a chicken-and-egg case, as to motivations: which comes first, the money or the control? I’m inclined to believe the latter, because any number of people seeking power have blown it financially, on every scale from the individual to countries like Germany and Russia. And then you throw in the widely publicized asceticism of some of these power freaks like Hitler and Mao and Jerry Brown (who boasted of living in an unfurnished apartment and sleeping on a mattress on the floor).. From my historian’s perspective it looks like power, i.e., control, is the master motive, and money, if anything, is a demonstration of power and/or a means of obtaining and demonstrating it, more than an end in itself. Most of these people are single-minded fanatics, not hedonists..

    Of course, the present infestation of the White House does lend itself to the money-first theory, what with Marie Antoinette’s 100-million-dollar vacations.

  133. Chad Wozniak says:

    P.S. Gail Combs – You are a resource! Keep up the GREAT work.

  134. anengineer says:

    We need to organize a group that will descend on all caterers of political events and blockade their premises until they guarantee in writing that they will only serve food in compliance with the new regulations.

    Can’t you see it, a pale block of tofu instead of beef, chicken, or fish. Tap water instead of alcohol. Etc. The donors and pundits will love it.

  135. Peter says:

    I suggest a lobby group to promote a carbon free diet. It can go with a proposal to ban dihydrogen monoxide from all schools. I’d love to see how far they got.

  136. Stefan says:

    It was someone’s comment on WUWT a few years ago, words to the effect, “the bad science of global warming reminds me of the bad science of nutrition”, which directed me to look away from the 97% of nutritionists, to check out Paleo, LCHF, Primal, Taubes, etc. and I have been very pleased with the results!

    Dear USA, you can keep your obesity and diabetes epidemic healthcare cost monster for the sake of your grain industry if you really like. Dear environmentalists, you can keep your body wasting vegan diets if you really like. I hope y’all join the Swedes in their interest in LCHF, and read The Vegetarian Myth. I hope everyone discovers better health.

    Leirre Keith in her book makes the argument that we’d all be better off if we just used more natural pastures and cows than if we keep wasting the environment on grains.

  137. philjourdan says:

    @Gail Combs – regardless of the wishes of Vegans and PETA, the species of Homo Sapien requires a nutrient that can only be obtained from Animals (It is present in eggs as well). Vitamin B12. Vegans must take a supplement or perish. While it can be synthesized with modern technology, that requires a lot of carbon foot print and is only mimicking what has been obtained by the species since its inception.

    Evolution made us meat eaters.

  138. meltemian says:

    “the planet hasn’t warmed since the Clinton Administration”
    That hadn’t occurred to me before…….we may be on to something here?
    By the way we Brits get our B12 from Marmite as well.

  139. Jaakko Kateenkorva says:

    Gail Combs says: March 10, 2014 at 7:57 pm
    Greens should EAT ROCKS, they don’t contain CARBON
    ———————-
    Just realized, it’s worse than we thought. The most common rock on earth’s crust is limestone (CaCO3). But, granite, glass, silicon, brimstone or actinides would do. :-)

  140. johnnythelowery says:

    Gail: What do you think about the Codex…Alumentarious (sp?)

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