Monckton: Challenge to Prince Charles

Pure brilliance. Thank you Lord for brightening an otherwise dull day.

I’d love to see Chazza take you up on this, he’s got the ego to think he can pull it off.

Oh, so well put.
As a subject of Her Majesty’s Government in NZ in this former British Colony, or at least a citizen in a country that is still a Constitutional Monarchy, my support for it is being sorely tested by the bizarre utterings of the “PC” P.C. (His Royal Highness, P. C. that is).

Ummm…where was this published? I ask, not because I think it’s a bad idea (I don’t), but because this has all the ear-marks of the kind of challenge that Charlie-boy might pretend to ignore.

Lovely wordsmithing.
I wager that Charles Saxe-Coburg-Gotha dare not meet Lord Monckton in the lists of logic.

Surely this is treason? Do they still imprison people in The Tower of London followed by being hanged, drawn and quartered?
/sarc
P.S. we out here in the colonies will not be accepting a King Charles.

Christopher,
I agree, we should all strive to be an “cheerfully undeferential lot”. But why not go one step further and eliminate the aristocracy all together, so that our fates are determined more by our actions than an accident of birth?
Also, your claim of 25 years of zero trend in the UK seems to run somewhat counter to the data: http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/regions/united-kingdom-(europe)

Excuse me Mr. Monckton we Texans have had a problem with the use of “Lord” for some time, no offense intended, Sir.
On the other hand I will warn you, as you know Royal types do not enter fights where things are fair and balanced. Other hands will be upon you now and later.
OT to you and Mr.Watts and others sort of and also sort on the point.
I’m a Texas farmer/rancher and the family goes back to the Apache Chief Mangus Colorados (we are all non-reservation Apache “breeds”) and we do know a thing or two about weather trends as our lives depend on that knowledge. So when I talk to other farmers and ranchers I am worried about the information other farmers and ranchers are depending on to guide them on what to plant, how to plant, when to plant, what grass to use, you know how to “make it”.
One of the sources is this lady , Evelyn Browning-Garriss of http://www.thebrowningreport.com and here is a sample news letter , http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/02/prweb11554292.htm/
What do informed people make of her and her work?
Seems to many that you and Mr. Watts have a huge duty to make sure mis-information aka lies do not mis inform mankind and every day farmers and ranchers into very bad (wrong) decisions.
Thanks, sorry to interrupt this thead.

I generally do like the patented Viscount Monckton of Brenchley rhetorical parry & thrust.
But, the Royal Family is rather a bit of a sitting duck. If the Prince were really a compelling figure, who wins minds at his every utterance, that would be one thing.
In fact, Prince Charles isn’t doing climate skeptics any bother, to fling a silly name.
On the other hand, I do believe the Family as a whole is an asset to our overall point-of-view; yet they are exposed to hostile camps too, as a whole.
We have tabloids that specialize in ridiculing Charles and the alchoholic shrew he drags around … hardly a day goes by, that they aren’t far-better pilloried than here. He ain’t git’n away with nothin’.
I say, buck-up the Family, as a known Enemy of our Enemy.
Signed, An Envious American 😉

All is not lost. Her Majesty is still going strong. If Her Methuselah gene is still in good shape (and HM’s mother lived to 102), she will outlive him. And he-who-talks-to-plants will just be a footnote.

Monkton, unfortunately, has become such an object of widespread ridicule he’s more part of the problem than the solution. Sure, if you want skeptics to be marginalized as whackos, then by all means align yourselves with his showboating, but he’s an easy target for the straw man that is the so-called “denier.”
Surely, we can do better.

James,
Tell us more, we need to have you present us some facts to better understand you.
Thanks,

What you need to know about Princess Charles is below. He is sincere (as one commenter advised me and I believe that commenter 97%). Let’s make it “it cool to use less stuff” [Princess Charles].
http://youtu.be/zhpNJAKq7dE
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/01/chicken-al-la-still-not-a-king/#comment-1556413

In my youth little prince Charlie spent some years in a private boys school near Melbourne Australia. I do remember the boys having fun with Charlie.
This Aussie experience may have damaged the poor dear, perhaps some fault on our part
caused him to be some what peculiar. Genetics and the house training at the palace may also have had a detrimental effect.
Good to see Chris telling it like it is, headless chickens indeed. The prince has put his head way outside the parapet.

James Abbott says: February 5, 2014 at 4:20 pm;

…[P]eople in the UK are suffering right now from extreme weather that is entirely consistent with predictions of what would happen in a warmer world.

If you were planting Roman grapes in Merry England, it would be Global Warming. As the scouring Ice Sheets bear down from Scandinavia … it’s of course Global Warming.
In fact, “predictions” were otherwise, weren’t they?
[Didn’t I alert you to this dynamic, Lord Monckton? ;]

fobdangerclose
Thanks but not sure what info you need.
The main point is that Monckton is not a credible person on climate science. So for example in his letter he says
In the UK “there has been no change – none at all – in mean surface temperature for 25 full years.”
As was pointed out by Zeke Hausfather earlier in this thread:
The claim of 25 years of zero trend in the UK seems to run somewhat counter to the data: http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/regions/united-kingdom-(europe)

Prince Charles advises that just as we listen to scientists in other fields we should also listen to the climate scientists. THEN WHY DOESN’T HE LISTEN TO THE SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS ON HOMEOPATHY? He now advocates for homeopathy. when the consensus says it’s no better than a placebo.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/hes-at-it-again-prince-charles-accused-of-lobbying-health-secretary-over-homeopathy-8723145.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10003680/Homeopathy-is-nonsense-says-new-chief-scientist.html
PS Princess Charles has a long reputation for talking to his plants.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286883/Prince-Charles-revealed-instructs-plants.html
You see here is the problem. When you are born with a diamond studded gold spoon in your mouth (on super steroids) you often get deluded. You have no grounding, no sense of no, no sense of freezing to death, no sense of a lack of air conditioning. If anyone disagrees with me then please tell me WHAT Prince Charles has a real world view of understanding???

charles will probably come back with “proof” he’s right!
the following is attributed to AAP at the top, & AFP at the bottom
6 Feb: Australian: AAP/AFP: 2013 was the sixth-hottest year on record, UN says
LAST year tied for the sixth-hottest on record, confirming that Earth’s climate system is in the grip of warming that will affect generations to come, the UN’s weather agency says.
“This is confirmation of the trend of global warming of the planet,” World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) chief Michel Jarraud said on Wednesday.
Last year equalled 2007 as the sixth-warmest year since reliable records began in 1850, with a global land and ocean surface temperature that was 0.5 degrees Celsius above the 1961-1990 average, the WMO said in a statement.
Thirteen of the 14 warmest years on record have occurred in the 21st century, Jarraud said…
Jarraud acknowledged in a statement that “the rate of warming is not uniform” in every country.
Last year, for instance, was the hottest year on record in Australia, while the United States measured record highs in 2012. But, Jarraud said, “the underlying trend is undeniable”.
“Global warming … is occurring. There is absolutely zero doubt. But more important, it is due to human activities,” he told AFP, pointing to record levels of heat-trapping greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
“Our action, or inaction, to curb emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases will shape the state of our planet for our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren,” he said…
The agency released the temperature data in advance of its Statement on the Status of the Climate in 2013, which will be published in March.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/was-the-sixthhottest-year-on-record-un-says/story-e6frg8y6-1226819287966

Jimbo,
Thanks for your input, take Air Conditioning, why is it that Michael Mann, Al Gore etal have not gone full in investing in airconditioning manf. on the stock exchanges, seems the “met” retirement funds should have gone there if they would just have folllowed their own ideas on global warming and all that.
thanks

and here’s more “proof”!!!
6 Feb: Bloomberg: Eric Roston: Mid-Century Heat Will Be Tough to Beat in U.K., Study Says
Hot weather disruptions are projected to rise as decades pass — they already have — taking metropolitan areas dangerously past historic high temperatures, sometimes for days or weeks at a time.
A study of the U.K. this week in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, sees a rising probability of dangerous heatwaves as the century progresses. Heat-related deaths could rise by more than 250 percent by mid-century, with some of the most dramatic increases occurring in London.
Researchers from two British institutions studied the relationship between weather and mortality between 1993 and 2006, then combined their findings with 21st century warming projections…
The study emphasizes that its projections occur “in the absence of any adaptation of the population” — an assumption already wearing away, as cities and companies reinvent themselves for a changing world.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-05/mid-century-heat-will-be-tough-to-beat-in-u-k-study-says.html

Also James,
Help me as I am land bound. Post some facts aka links I/we can review on where the sea levels are rising, with data on how much and when as compared to normal wear and tear from the last million or so years of waves,storms and such.
Thanks,

fobdangerclose
No there is not going to be less CO2 anytime soon.
CO2 is of course vital to the biosphere and for growing crops but like many other substances it has more than one function. In the atmosphere its a greenhouse gas – as has been known since the C19th.
There is currently about 40% higher concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere than there was in the 1700s (pre-industrial) and its going up every year.
The imperitive is just to stop it going up but there is no sign of the rate of growth slowing yet.

Charlie will claim he’s part of the program:
6 Feb: Guardian: Fiona Harvey: European parliament votes for stronger climate targets
MEPs respond to earlier commission proposal with call for binding 2030 targets on renewables, emissions and energy efficiency
In a decisive vote, 341 to 263 MEPs called for three binding targets for 2030: a 40% cut in greenhouse gases, compared with 1990 levels; at least 30% of energy to come from renewable sources; and a 40% improvement in energy efficiency.
This was stronger than the proposal from the European commission last month, that called for 27% of energy to come from renewable sources by the same date…
Ed Davey, secretary of state for energy and climate change said: “The right 2030 package will unlock low carbon investment, while keeping consumers’ energy bills down. The vote in the European Parliament is one stage in the process and we are pleased that MEPs have come out in favour of an ambitious climate package for 2030.
“I am leading the argument for the right package through the Green Growth Group, which fifteen countries are now part of. Over the last two days I have been talking to my colleagues in Berlin and in Paris to ensure we can get agreement to a progressive plan that will reduce emissions without unnecessary costs.”
Connie Hedegaard, the EU’s climate commissioner, said the vote was a “good result” and she hoped European governments would “listen” to it. Green campaigners and renewable energy companies welcomed the vote, saying it showed that the 2030 proposals should be strengthened…
Stephane Bourgeois, of the European Wind Energy Association (EWEA), which represents the industry, said: “The European parliament has again shown it is the most forward-thinking of the EU’s institutions…”…
Jason Anderson, head of climate and energy at WWF, said: “MEPs reacted to the commission’s weak climate and energy proposals with a much-needed reality check. Energy efficiency and renewables are integral to achieving a low-carbon future and can’t be downgraded to afterthoughts.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/05/european-parliament-votes-renewables-targets

This post by Monckton is very simple. Can the eco-hypocrites please shut up to allow the rest of us to get on with the debate?
His former wife died in an accident, she went out in flashing lights, dazed and confused drivers which I thought was conspiratorial nonsense. Yet Charles thinks he can offend skeptics with his eco-tard bullshit. LONG LIVE THE QUEEN. LONG LIVE QUEEN ELIZABETH 2ND. May her grandson take over. [snip] For our US friends, Mrs. Charlie Boy is bored with wealth. He needs to feel important. Climate change makes him feel hypocritical and important. What’s not to like???

James at 5:07
Well it must be my fault as the 40% more CO2 should have made my crops much more productive, possible 40% better or so, sorry I failed you so bad. I may have to sell out and quit.

So the esteemed Christopher Monckton has taken up the lance of Don Quixote.
He, more than most, should understand that the Royals are above all rules. One reason we do not accept their divine role.

I like Prince William and his bro.Despite there privilege their mother seems to have done some excellent work. Well done Diana.

Typo:
Despite their…..

I did not like what Prince Charles said, but I like that when he sincerely believes something he has the guts to say what is going on in his head, which are very often very cranky thoughts. Occasionally he gets it right, as when he opposed the proposed extension to the façade of the National Gallery in Trafalgar square, and his remark is credited with stopping one of our most important historical landmarks from being used and abused by trendy architects of the 70s many of whom would gladly have pulled down half of Victorian London if it meant that they could replace it with their cheap and tacky creations. The Architects were fuming, most of the rest of the nation were relieved that arrogance had been stopped by one simple remark from the prince.
Most British people see him as being a little bit pathetic, but well meaning and probably destined to become a weak but sufficient King. They wont like these taunts because they will feel personally offended and protective.
Charles was not being vindictive, he simply lacks the clarity and independence of thought to to see through what his flunkys are telling him or to realise when he has been duped. In this he is like the majority of people in Britain who read tacky journalism and watch the BBC and Sky. He deserves (needs) some very candid letters, perhaps from Monkton who is after all a Lord. Gentle words and conversation would probably achieve more than this attempt at public humiliation which will cause his friends to point at Monkton and make their own taunts (silly childish taunts)
A debate will never happen, Charles has no depth of knowledge or debating skills to engage Lord Monkton, so what is the point of this post? It ups the game just in the direction they warmists like, one where everything becomes not about the science but instead about who taunts loudest.

fobdangerclose
Sea level is rising about 3mm per year at present
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/pd/climate/factsheets/issea.pdf
Of course we have had changes in sea level, tides and storms for billions of years. But the point is that the current rise in sea level is in a warming world associated with our activities in pumping so much extra greenhouse gases into the atmosphere amplifying the greenhouse effect.
The last time sea level was significantly higher there were not major cities with millions of people living in them in coastal areas – or millions living in low lying farming regions.
brent
You might not think light polluiton is an issue, but lots of other people do and there is good work going on around the world to take measures to curb it which brings back the night sky and saves energy – but then maybe you don’t mind if we waste energy ?
http://darksky.org/

why do businesses agree to play this ridiculous game?
6 Feb: Bloomberg: Ben Elgin: Handshakes and Body English Vex Corporate Carbon-Cutting Goals
Global companies are trying to shrink their carbon footprints by targeting business travel, and the early results are frustrating, even among companies with celebrated green credentials.
Consider Nike, which flew several managers to Davos last month, and was proclaimed by Newsweek to be the greenest U.S. consumer products company back in 2010. Since then, it has revealed that its travel-related emissions soared 89 percent from 2008 to 2011 — far outpacing the company’s 12 percent sales growth during that period.
They’re not alone. “Travel is a tough one,” says Andrew Craig, senior manager of environmental initiatives at Royal Bank of Canada…
(Bloomberg L.P.’s business air-travel emissions climbed almost 35 percent between 2007 and 2012. Curtis Ravenel, global head of Bloomberg’s sustainability group, notes that the company’s travel emissions have grown more slowly than its 52 percent rise in employee count. “Travel will always be a challenge for us,” he says. “We’re a high-touch business. Customer service is a fundamental part of our business model.”)…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-05/handshakes-and-body-english-vex-corporate-carbon-cutting-goals.html

James Abbott @ February 5, 2014 at 4:56 pm;
Such sea level increases as have occurred, are global. Any effects to coastlines etc, would not be peculiar to the British Isles. If peculiar effects are seen there, and not so much elsewhere, this will then be a matter of peculiar susceptibility to erosion etc (which certainly is the case, in some specific locales) rather than from the slight rises of sea level. The rise has really been of modest-enough extent, that it is quite swamped by tides, and storm-surges.
The ‘extreme weather/storms’ argument is not strong. Many different kinds of specific claims in this category have been tabled, and many have clearly been support mainly by enthusiasm. It’s a ‘bad’ (weak) argument, because even if it were true, it would prodigiously difficult to collect the scientific data to really validate it. As it is, we have anecdotes and ‘trial by media’.
There was supposed to be progressive warming, with increasing CO2, and instead there is a solid Pause. Have you seen the winter weather patterns in the USA? To label this an effect of the former warming trend, is a position one attempts to take only if in possession of evidence that will be really convincing … to the shivering millions.
Did you see in Google News today that the entire United States is running out of road salt?
Everyone is entitled to their view, their conclusions. There are people whom I think are more-egregiously off-mark than yourself. But yes, I think your characterizations of the local pattern in the UK, and the global factors purportedly behind them, are both, indeed, off the mark.
Ted Clayton

Gary Pearse
Some of the structures built in the C19th (to which period you refer) have just been smashed to pieces.
You cannot explain this away, its actually happening right now:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26042990

Remember the fate of Thomas Becket under the Plantagenets
Remember the fate of Thomas More under the Tudors
What will be the fate of Monckton under Coburg-Gothe / Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg

Well.I guess the UK may just have to settle for the American claimant to the Crown of St Edward after all then……the rightful heir as it turns out…..besides,it’s high time they had an American King

Julian in Wales @ February 5, 2014 at 5:18 pm;
Very well said. Hilary Mantel could have advised pointedly on this course.
Ted Clayton

Charles recent statements has changed me into an anti-monarchist in Canada, my allegiance to my figure head Queen will end with Elizabeth II. Charles MUST abdicate his claim to the throne as the constitutional monarch of Canada. Thank you for such well written words Lord Moncton

Most awesome ever!

Lord Monckton….please don’t hold your breath for a reply….
Keep up the great work.

Coronating Prince Charles King of England would be like making Don Knotts head of Interpol. It would be fun as long as everyone realized it was only a joke.

We can dream, that is free and no one can stop us.
Say the dream team Charle’s of two is Al Gore and John Kerry.
So fine that…..little dream.

Dang! Popcorn! KNEW I forgot something…
Actually, a much needed wake up call to Royalty.
Perhaps the Queen will jerk his chain? (Charles)

This could actually be quite healthy for both The Monarchy and the UK as a nation. Two generations prior to Prince Charles’ generation, a reckoning was experienced that made history. The heir to the throne determined he was not fit to rule the Realm and did the honourable thing. That is not to say we will see a similar outcome in this case. However, a healthy conversation is coming due.

Hear, hear!
You have said what many have thought, but few have the courage and station to say, or be taken seriously!
Thank you.

James Abbott says: February 5, 2014 at 5:31 pm
Decades of green-led inadequate maintenance has nothing to do with it then? My son is a civil engineer who worked on coastal defence and storm drainage in that area after the 2010 floods. He can “explain it away” for you in intimate detail complete with numerous expletives. It’s known as “counting fish instead of pouring concrete” syndrome.

OT
But to show how these nut job green cult members end up meeting themselves coming both directions and a big wreck of mindless operations comes about.
In west Texas lots of trouble with the EPA to get the ok to drill for oil due to this poor little rare lizzard.
Now it seems the wild hogs (who via imported hogs from Argentina got to West Texas via LBJ and the Dept. of Ag. to eat prikly pears back in the 1950’s) are rooting up the lizzards and eating the grass roots the lizzards nest in and around.
No, your not supposed to kill the hogs also. So they are ruining farm land, pasturer land and messing up the river bottoms all over Texas. In some areas we are hunting them and selling the meat to the French.
EPA and the nut job Democrats are a dangerous cult who are getting the human race in a lot of trouble and will end up a danger to all mankind.

Imagine the turmoil that will follow next time Charles drops in to visit Lieutenant Wales (aka Prince Harry) in the regimental mess; when Charles is heard to mutter, “Who will rid me of this troublesome Lord”.

Thank you Lord Monckton and Anthony. My day too was brighter for having read this . Here In Australia our Governor General, as the Queen’s representative, also felt compelled to make political comments in a recent speach. She and HRH are helping the republican cause here. We will not accept King Charles thanks.
He’s also up to his neck in Agenda 21 having taken his mother’s ship to Rio in 1992 . He’s probably a Malthusian too. No doubt he sees a major role for himself or his successors In the totalitarian one world government that will be the denouement of Agenda 21.

B.S. … toffs squabbling in the playground!

6 Feb: Courier Mail: Annabel Hepworth: Gas prices force switch to coal for power stations
QUEENSLAND’S largest power generator will today declare that Australia is one of the world’s most expensive countries for energy and warn that the electricity market is being distorted by the carbon tax, mandatory renewables target and solar-rooftop subsidies. After Stanwell took the extraordinary step yesterday of announcing it would mothball its biggest gas-fired power station and resurrect a coal facility built in the 1980s – sparking predictions that gas-fired power plants would be withdrawn in other states – it will today call for a scaling back of the renewable energy target…
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/gas-prices-force-switch-to-coal-for-power-stations/story-e6frg9df-1226819086580#

Big ears is by far the best case for abolishing the hereditary monarchy and replacing it with a proper republic…

James Abbott says:
February 5, 2014 at 5:31 pm
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James,
just give up on the “Extreme Weather” tactic, it can never work. There is too much historical data contradicting it. The “Extreme weather” meme is just extreme propaganda, being used by those desperate to keep pushing politically motivated pseudo science. No matter what lies the propagandists try, their foundation is still the failed hypothesis that adding radiative gases to the atmosphere will reduce the atmospheres radiative cooling ability. They failed to correctly model the role of radiative gases in tropospheric convective circulation and this fact is recorded forever on the Internet. All the pseudo scientists, activists, journalists and politicians who promoted or sought to profit from this hoax cannot erase this historical fact.
Speaking of historical facts, this is link to James A. Marusek’s “A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events”.
http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/Weather.pdf
At over 15Mb the pdf may be a large download for some, but it is a must read document. With translated reports of weather from 6AD it is a fascinating read. It is full of fantastic records such as –
“Winter of 763 / 764 A.D. In the same year (763 A.D.), it was bitterly cold after the beginning of October, not only in our land, but even more so to the east, west, and north. Because of the cold, the north shore of the Black Sea froze to a depth of 30 cubits (~ 45 feet) a hundred miles out. This was so from Ninkhia to the Danube River, including the Kouphis, Dniester, and Dnieper Rivers, the Nekrophela, and the remaining promontories all the way to Mesembria and Medeia. Since the ice and snow kept on falling, its depth increased another twenty cubits (~ 30 feet), so that the sea became dry land. It was travelled by wild men and tame beasts from Khazaria, Bulgaria, and the lands of other adjacent people. By divine command, during February of the same (764 A.D.) second indication the ice divided into a great number of mountainous chunks. The force of the wind brought them down to Daphnousia and Hieron, so that they came through the Bosporos to the city (Constantinople or Istanbul) and all the way to Propontis, Abydos, and the islands, filling every shore. We ourselves were an eyewitness and, with thirty companions, went out onto one of them and played on it. The icebergs had many dead animals, both wild and domestic, on them. Anyone who wanted to could travel unhindered on dry land from Sophianai to the city and from Chrysopolis to St. Mamas or Galata. One of these icebergs was dashed against the harbour of the acropolis, and shattered it. Another mammoth one smashed against the wall and badly shook it, so that the houses inside trembled along with it. It broke into three pieces, which girdled the city from Magnaura to the Bosporos, and was taller than the walls. All the city’s men, women, and children could not stop staring at the icebergs, then went back home lamenting and in tears, at a loss as to what to say about this phenomenon. (Theophanes the Confessor).3”
Anyone who reads this document will never again believe any global warmist who tries to push “extreme weather” propaganda.

The most memorable boots I ever purchased for my kids were wellies with frog faces. Camillies with the face of Camilla as the toe and Charles as the heel are in order.

P.S. to my mate Monckton,
If the royalty goes, so does your title and your privilages.
See you down the pub, mate………
😉

5 Feb: TechWeekEurope: EU Carbon Trading Chokes On Data Centre Diesels
Data centres burn almost no diesel, but the EU’s carbon trading scheme is taxing them by mistake, says Peter Judge
But entry to the ETS isn’t about how much fuel you burn. It’s based on the capacity. If you have generator capacity of more than 7MW, you may well have to register, even if you never use it. Whether you register or not depends on the exact nature of your diesel generator, Fryer told TechWeek…
Unintended consequences
This is where it gets screwy. Because you have a big set of generators, you have to register, but because you rarely use them, you don’t actually have to buy much in the way of allowances. And in any case carbon credits are actually pretty cheap.
So, data centres have to buy a few hundred pounds worth of allowances per site… and spend something like £10,000 registering for the scheme and administering it.
***That’s a pretty hefty unintended consequence. How did it get that way? Fryer told us data centres are “collateral” or innocent bystanders…
http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/comment/carbon-trading-data-centre-diesels-138293
4 Feb: EurActiv: France launches probe into EU carbon market reform plan
The European Commission’s proposed carbon price stabilisation mechanism is a “masterpiece of Brussels technocracy” that could fuel greater market volatility, says a group of academics on the proposed package of 2030 climate legislation, EurActiv.fr reports…
‘Robot’ to regulate carbon prices
Thanks to an econometric model called Zephyr, the university researchers analysed in detail the proposals put forward by the EU executive.
The good news is that the mechanism could push prices up – at least as of 2021…
The bad news is that the “stability” mechanism could be a source of further volatility, the researchers found…
***Rather than entrusting the management of the carbon market to a robot, France is favourable to establishing a genuine “central bank for carbon” which could manage the carbon market like a currency.
“It’s been one of the topics of discussion but the mission continues and no conclusion is adopted at the time being,” Charpin cautioned.
http://www.euractiv.com/climate-environment/french-academic-question-eu-carb-news-533248

CofB says: “Between the pre-final and final drafts of the “Fifth Assessment Report,” published late last year, the Panel ditched the models and substituted its own “expert assessment” that in the next 30 years the rate of warming will be half what the models predict.”

That is not really correct. IPCC had always based their conclusions of this ill-defined, unrecorded, behind closed doors, kind of “expert opinion’ rather than hard science.
What happenned in AR5 was that the “expert opinion’ finally realised that the models they had previously placed so much faith in were seriously flawed and could not be relied upon to estimate climate sensitivity and future climate variations.
Rather than admitting a major U-turn, they dressed this up in typical bureaucratic double-talk as their having even more certainty than for AR4 and carefully moved the terms of reference to prevent a direct comparison in what they were so certain about.
Charles will not be debating with anyone because he is a bafoon. He is however, a well advised bafoon and his PR team will not let him walk into such an obvious pitfall.

Well said Lord Monckton.
Chaarles has been a warmist all along, but this is I believe the first time he has been so open about it.
If he becomes King I will become a republican overnight.

@the Abbott
I am not sure if you take advice but after making about a dozen false claims you are losing your potential audience here. Please accept the offer above of a link to the weather of times past. The usual audience here is far better read than your average ‘public domain’ blog-point. You might get takers at the Verge, for instance where the audience gets their education from TV.
You are very specifically critical of the scientific credentials and worthiness of Lord Monckton. The revered IPCC does not agree with you or your ilk. I do not agree with you or your ilk. The reason is that Lord Monckton has done original and innovative work on atmospheric science and has a website where you can read the papers. He is an expert in some matters. Go there and learn what to say and not say about such basic facts as to whether mankind or the ‘environment’ faces any human-sourced weather related dangers from CO2.
In case you think I was not listening to your input, please consider that the fact CO2 is a ‘greenhouse gas’ has been known since 1895 (when it’s influence was greatly but temporarily overestimated) it is very clear in this century that the effect of AG CO2 cannot be discerned against the dramatic changes wrought by a natural variation.
This matters, a lot. So many baseless and downright ridiculous claims are made in the name AG CO2 that it falls to the warmistas to demonstrate the truth of their assertions. You for example could provide some proof that the SE UK and The Wash are Not Sinking, but are being swamped by a rising North Sea.

James Abbott, please take your ignorance and arrogance elsewhere. I’m sure I’m not the only poster here who is tired of it. You take advantage of Anthony’s generosity and open-mindedness (such a contrast to the ideological bigotry of your kind), for what? You’ll find no converts here.
It’s an affront for you to even mention Lord Monckton. He could run circles, figure 8*s and Mobius strips around you without breathing hard. He is a hero in the skeptic community, and rightly so.

Zeke Hausfather says:
“Also, your claim of 25 years of zero trend in the UK seems to run somewhat counter to the data: http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/regions/united-kingdom-(europe) ”
Is it? Where is the 25 year trend with estimation of significance in those graphs? Your runny mean stops before the end (as it should) and so gives a very stong visual impression of a long term rise but trying to ignore that and look at all the annual data it is a lot less clear whether there is a significant rise.
Also you crappy 10 year RM does great job of pronounced dip around 1983 that is a fitler artefact due to the dips before and after then date.
In fact it gets pretty much the whole period from 1975-2000 almost perfectly out of phase with the underlying data, especially for the Tmax plot.
Is your inability to chose an appropriate fitler why the project calls itself “BEST” ?
You may find it useful to read my article on the subject of running mean distortions and then chose a better filter for presenting your data.
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/triple-running-mean-filters/
Since those graphs look like they may be created real-time some kind of triple running mean may be a computationally effiecient alternative.

The problem with Charles is that he looks so dumb. Then he opens his mouth and removes all doubt. I had a dog with ears like that, and I had them cropped. Gave him a cool Vulcan look. Charles could give that a try, but Camilla would never allow it. She likes them because they make great handles, and even double as a ThighMaster.

Hi Greg,
The Berkeley plots include a link to the raw data, so knock yourself out choosing whatever linear trend or smoothing method you want. Personally I like Lowess approaches.
http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/auto/Regional/TAVG/Text/united-kingdom-%28europe%29-TAVG-Trend.txt
We include a 10-year running mean by default, but its by no means the only (or best) approach, just the easiest to explain.
You will find that a linear trend shows statistically significant warming over the last 25 years in the UK.