
From the weather is not climate unless we say it is department comes this disturbing admission. From Tom Nelson, an illustration of the sort of defective thinking we see in some people who think climate and weather have no distinction:
WJZ meteorologist Bernadette Woods is leaving the CBS-owned station to join a non-profit firm in New Jersey focused on climate change, she said Wednesday night.
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Woods described Climate Central as a “non-profit, non-lobbying company which deals with climate information, basically trying to educate the public” on climate change.
“There’s so much misinformation out there, that this company started in an effort to try and get good information to the public,” she said.”They are trying to connect climate with extreme weather, because that’s a lot of what’s happening. That’s really exciting for me, because I do love the science.”
Woods, a Penn State graduate with a B.S. in meteorology, earned her Television Seal of Approval through the American Meteorological Society in 2004.
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“Oh, I’m a weather geek, no doubt about it,” she said laughing. “The bigger the storm, the better.”
[(Nelson:)Wait, so she laughs about tragic storms that kill and injure people, including children? To her, bigger storms are “better”?]
Like some storm chasers, some TV weather types get an adrenaline rush from severe weather events. I was once that way when I was young and stupid, until one day I was sent into the field to cover a tornado damage story, and I saw firsthand the loss of people hit by the storm.
As I’m sure Ms. Woods will eventually read this story, I direct her this history on technology, media, and severe weather to help her gain some perspective.
UPDATE: I erred in the original headline thinking she was a student of Dr. Mann. My information on the date Mann joined PSU (2004) was incorrect, it was actually 2005. Thus I have edited the headline and first sentence to correct my error – Anthony
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Nothing like the a priori declaration of “it’s what’s happening” when you are doing “science”.
Oh, they KNOW better.
But they’re activists. It’s about what will SELL, and they’ve decided this is what will sell to the low-information citizen.
They’re dishonest to the core, and all we can really hope is for a major schism in the warmist community over this sort of misconduct.
I disagree with the focus.
We don’t upbraid Civil War enthusiasts on the basis that so many were killed, therefore there is something wrong with having an interest, even enjoyment in the study of in the subject.
There’s nothing wrong with interest in large storms, even if they kill people.
Let’s focus on the misguided notion of this person trying to combat misinformation by adding to the stock.
Phil (The other one)
Maybe she can also help out by choosing cute storm names for the entertainment-oriented “Weather Channel” (which was formerly a popular and well-regarded public information cable channel and website for the weather).
… “trying to connect climate with extreme weather, because that’s a lot of what’s happening.”
Isn’t climate the average of all weather, extremes included?
She needs to go back to school.
Big difference in studying history and historical events and wanting violent powerful dangerous things to happen in the future.
I’m a ham radio operator and just attended Skywarn again. There is a difference in storm spotting and storm chasing. I have never met a ham that drools and salivates when a weather net is activated.
And not a single meteorologist from any of the three stations that attended Skywarn, or any hams, or any National Weather Service personnel made the slightest hint that any storm or weather event is linked or could be linked to any changes in the climate.
How can they even consider a “meteorologist” with such a tainted and controversial background? Beats the heck out of me.
Fascination at the raw power of our atmosphere is nothing to be ashamed of. “Weather weenies” don’t get drawn into Meteorology because each day is clear and 85. Regardless of any other point in the article, a person expressing a desire to observe weather extremes is not the same as one wishing to see people hurt or killed. Not even close. Highlighting (and then expounding on) that unfounded conclusion is misguided at best.
I have to echo TheOtherPhil here, you know perfectly well that when she says bigger storms are “better” she means “more interesting to study”.
I’m sure that virologists would say a new, rare, aggressive virus would be of professional interest to study but that doesn’t mean that they wish people to contract the virus.
Are cancer scientists pro-cancer? It’s absurd.
She studies big storms because she wants to be able to give people more warning to SAVE lives, the same way a virologist or cancer scientists do.
This is GREAT! Now she can read the following “science” and let me know if it “misinformation”?
observations and perceptions are the key. She needs to read about the bad weather of the past and realise she’s still wet behind the ears.
“Woods described Climate Central as a “non-profit, non-lobbying company which deals with climate information, basically trying to educate the public” on climate change.” So who, exactly, is paying her salary?
Since it would appear that she graduated from PSU no later than 2004, and Mann started there in 2005, I fail to see how she could have been his student.
REPLY: The word I had was that Mann started in 2004. I note none of the other issues bother you though, which is par for the course for your “anything goes” view of climate science on display here. – Anthony
Dear Ms Woods:
Can you tell me what caused the Great Colonial Hurricane of 1635? A Cat 4 storm that is considered to be the strongest ever to hit north of North Carolina, right in the middle of The Little Ice Age?
BS in meteorology? I’ll say. 😉
Mann wasn’t hired until 2005, and there are over 3 dozen metrology profs (not instructors, professors) at PSU, so you could go your entire 4 years and not get him. At any rate PSU has one of the oldest and best Meteo programs in the country and bascially generated AccuWeather (based in State College) founded by Joel Meyers a PSU alum, which has, AFAIK, been pretty apolitical in the whole Global Warming deal. Mann, despite his giant Q ratings, is a tiny little piece of PSU.
So she will be promoting WUWT. Good. Just make sure she gives proper credit.
/sarc
Well, at least WJZ viewers are likely to get a better weathercaster from now on. Can’t be worse.
A BS is meterology? The folks I know are either MS or Ph.Ds. And none of them believe in AGW. The only thing they stipulate is the CO2 level in the atmosphere.
The Ph.D. does numerical modeling for a USAF contractor. Last time I talked with him he said the models still do not have the “resolution” to draw any definitive conclusions about anything that drives Earth’s climate. In short, he says, they still don’t know enough about the Earth-ocean-atmosphere interactions to say much of anything.
I will point out that the “attitude” (the prejudices and privileges and grant money and research and the promises of future grant money) that HIRED Mann from University of Virginia into Penn State WAS the same that trained Wood, that graded Wood in her classes, that influenced Wood throughout the four (or more) years of her undergraduate time at Penn State.
Now, we know that one of the primary “influences” or controls on Penn State is grant money and research funds – “grant-money-brought-into-the-university” is, after all, one the first things that Penn State puts on Mann’s “qualifications” for his position at Penn State. The millions for new research at Penn State into malaria spreading from global warming was declared just days before Mann was excused by the university’s “so-called” examination” into the Hockey Stick debacle.
Thus, it is up to Wood to prove that she is not influenced by the extra money she is now getting by her promotion of CAGW extremism and her political power and influence!
/sarchasm – that gaping whole between a liberal and the real world.
The Bastardi’s are close friends with Bernie, she went to school here, was a gymnast that my wife coached and is a fine meteorologist. I suspect they need a polished TV person and they went to her. I do not believe Dr Mann was a teacher here when Bernie was in school, so I dont think that should be brought into the mix. Even if he was, I dont ever recall Bernie even mentioning Dr Mann once. While saddened by all this, lets make sure we all try our best to make sure she, and many like her, are exposed to the overwhelming evidence that counters all this nonsense, and not try to pile on with accusations that may not be true, or have nothing to do with it
Thanks
@ur momisugly Joe Bastardi. @ur momisuglyKevinUK My information (2004 as date Mann joined PSU) was in error, and I’ve made a correction to the headline per your and others advice on the matter. Thanks to everyone for the corrections.
Rattus is right, Mann started at PSU in 2005, she was not a student of Mann’s. You may want to change the title. While your at it, you may want to remove the (blatantly false and exaggerated) ad hominem attack on her “laugh[ing] about tragic storms that kill and injure people, including childern”, which many of the comments here have addressed.
However, after that I’m not sure what you are left with…a piece about a person making a career change, I guess…
Anthony,
Mann’s CV can be seen by clicking on the following link
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/Mann/about/cv/cv_hyper_new.htm
It stays he as ‘Associate Professor, Pennsylvania State University, Department of Meteorology [joint appointments in Department of Geosciences and Earth and Environmental Systems Institute (EESI)]’ from 2005 to 2009.
It therefore looks like RN is correct and that its unlikely that Bernadette Woods (assuming she graduated from PSU in 2004 and didn’t then do a PhD at PSU etc) is a student of Michael Mann’s. Also based on the following link
http://askville.amazon.com/Meteorologist-Bernadette-Woods-Forecast/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=35506098
it would appear that she graduated before Micheal Mann arrived at PSU.
Perhaps you should therefore now change the title and drop the ‘student of Micheel Mann….bit?
KevinUK
She.s the weather girl, and getting too old for that position. I watched her for many years, and, they’re all pretty much the same in Baltimore. She reports the weather as well or not well a everyone else. Nothing controversial about her.
” … Woods described Climate Central as a “non-profit, non-lobbying company which deals with climate information, basically trying to educate the public” on climate change. … ”
Right. Meanwhile, I wrote an article about Climate Central having a rather decidedly different appearance last year:
“PBS NewsHour: Climate Central a research organization; Sorry, no. They advocate solving man-caused global warming” http://junkscience.com/2012/03/23/pbs-newshour-climate-central-a-research-organization-sorry-no-they-advocate-solving-man-caused-global-warming/
A useful reminder that even when Mann falls , his ‘work ‘ will live on.