I posted this on the Daily Lew Issue 5 as an update, but I decided it was so telling of the state of mind for the SkS crowd that it needed its own separate post. This also happens to be post 7000 on WUWT.
I had pretty much ignored the SkS forum dump when it was happening, thinking that perhaps they were being treated unfairly, but since John Cook has gone a bridge too far now with this Lewandowsky “moon landing survey” mess and his association with it, I no longer feel the need to hold back on what is going on behind the scenes over there.
Here is Glenn Tamblyn (Skeptical Science author/moderator) secretly conversing with his SkS pals on their off limits forum and saying “we need a conspiracy to save humanity”. The Viet Cong comparison is a nice touch too. There’s talk of convening a “war council” too.
And this isn’t about science or personal careers and reputations any more. This is a fight for survival. Our civilisations survival. .. We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins.
Anyone got Bill Gates’ private number, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson? Our ‘side’ has got to get professional, ASAP. We don’t need to blog. We need to network. Every single blog, organisation, movement is like a platoon in an army. ..This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all. And the mainstream guys like Gleick don’t know how to deal with this. Queensberry Rules rather than biting and gouging.
..So, either Mother Nature deigns to give the world a terrifying wake up call. Or people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history. Now. Because time is up…Someone needs to convene a council of war of the major environmental movements, blogs, institutes etc. In a smoke filled room (OK, an incense filled room) we need a conspiracy to save humanity.
[As quoted by Geoff Chambers in this Bishop Hill thread. http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/3/26/opengate-josh-158.html?currentPage=2#comments ]
Yet climate skeptics are being painted as conspiracy theory nutters by the very same people who say “a conspiracy to save humanity” is needed.
Gleick was fighting with “Queensberry Rules” when he assumed a fake identity and stole documents from Heartland?
Riiiight.
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For the excitable people that get upset about such things as this post, it is worth pointing out that the SkS “secret” forum was left wide open, and Cook blames himself No hack or ‘Gleick Queensberryness’ was needed, also from BH by poster David who captured this SkS announcement on 23 February 2012 by Cook himself:
Got an email from Brian P this morning saying that the whole forum was publicly available to him, even when he wasn’t logged in. I checked and this was true.A little panicky, I investigated and worked out that all the permission levels of each forum had been set down to zero. Normally, they’re set so only authors can access most of them, except the translator forum is also accessible to translators. Strangely though, there is an admin forum that only admins can access and that wasn’t set to zero – it was still set so only admins can access it.
I have no idea how this happened. Several possibilities come to mind. First, I did it by accident when I was screwing around with the database sometime. Someone with admin access (there are about half a dozen SkSers with this access) made the change. Or we were hacked in some way and the hacker changed the levels. None of the options seem likely to me but the most likely is human error on my part although the fact that the admin forum was still set at admin level belies some kind of blanket wiping of all levels.
So I’m a little freaked out – it’s not knowing how this happened that has me most worried. Has anyone been looking at the forum and how long has this been available? But I’ve been procrastinating some of those security measures that have been suggested to me and as soon as I get to work this morning, am going to implement some of those measures.
UPDATE: It gets worse.
Steve McIntyre points out the wholesale deletion of over 50 of Tom Fuller’s comments at Lewandowsky’s blog today (after they had been in place for days) and made this comment:
Steve McIntyre: Posted Sep 15, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Re: Iain McQueen (Sep 15 13:28),
In the secret SkS forum, a member of the SkS squadron stated that “McIntyre must go down”. In another post, another SkS squadron member fantasized about ripping out Watts’ throat as follows:
Sometimes you just want to let loose and scream about how you want to take those motherfucking arseholes, those closed-minded bigotted genocidal pieces of regurgitated dog shit and do unspeakable violence to their bodies and souls for what they are doing to the safety of what and who we all hold dear. (Ain’t a lack of a moderation policy a cleansing and liberating thing?)…
Work out what you are best suited too and do that. But be able to distance yourself enough from your personal reactions to also see the bigger picture of the entire war and contribute to framing that broad campaign – “We need to focus on this and this and this. But my personal contribution will be to ripe Anthony Watts’ throat out – metaphorically of course.”
Such nice people, those SkS authors, contributors, and moderators.
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Your ‘side’ plays Go while their ‘side’ is only playing chess.
Interesting rhetoric they’re using. Not surprising though. I find the comparison with the Vietnam War utterly amusing, since it shows how little these people actually know. Yes, the Vietcong received a massive thrashing during the Tet offensive, but then North Vietnam joined the fight and ultimately, even though the US practically didn’t even lost a single battle, the US had to pull out with an uneasy truce. A few years after that North Vietnam and what was left of the VC won the war by conquering South Vietnam.
Not to mention that Al Gore makes an amazing Richard Nixon.
It also shows the difference. We want facts and evidence, they want a guerilla force. It fits perfectly into some of the commercials these folks have been running in the past. I vividly remember the one where skeptics were exploded, including children.
This was never about science from their side. This was always about ideology. Now they’re realizing that their media war isn’t working anymore and that more and more people doubt them, so that means a slow move from argumentation and discussion (which wasn’t their strength to begin with, and I have an issue with calling their incoherent, highly emotional, often bordering the hysterical screaming “argumentation” or “discussion”) towards violence. Just wait, it’ll happen. Why do I know that? Because it always goes that way. History proves it 100%.
They sound just like religious fundamentalists. They are saving us from Evil!
“And the skeptics are the Viet Cong”
“people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history”
I see their knowledge of the Vietnam war is on par with their knowledge of science
Projection, projection, projection.
This is a joke, right?
They’re scientists with no axe to grind simply going where the data leads them. It’s not personal, it’s logic. So this is a denier ticking all the conspiracy boxes on the survey to make warmists look bad. It must be, because they wouldn’t stoop to the depths they accuse deniers of.
This isn’t some rabid off-the-scale warmist whom they can claim is not representing their viewpoint correctly. This is the core, the heartland (sic) of warmists, the moderator of the place where they go to talk. In short, a valid representative of how warmists talk when they think they’re not being watched. It’s scary to think that this line of thought underpins The Consensus Project.
Or will they simply claim that none of this “matters”?
Does anyone know who / how / why funds SKS and how Mr Cook earns a living from it ?
This is why they are called radicals.
“The first casualty when war comes is truth”. Hiram W Johnson, 1917.
The SkSists, of course, they see this all as a war. Slowly and steadily, nothing they can say will be possibly true.
I would like to pass comment – but it would be extremely rude and straight to the point………so, I’ll keep it relatively ‘clean’…..
These people are more foul and irritating than the dogmuck one gets on ones shoes from the street. However, I maybe doing dogmuck a severe disservice, at least it can be washed and cleaned away. The likes of the pervasive excrement and foul malodorous discontent from these idiots seems ever present. Once one has been touched by their contamination, one can never be cleaned. Further, it seems to seep through every and any orifice that the alarmist based climate science ‘outputs’ can muster, providing an ever present backdrop of distressing sensory overload.
to paraphrase a well known character – ‘The stench of corruption is strong………may the disinfectant be with you…’
What they really need to beat us is some data that supports their argument. Nothing more, nothing less. Glenn Tamblyn ran away when confronted. Now they have to engage in “guerilla tactics”? Cowardice and cognitive dissonance; It’s what’s for dinner.
Well Anthony I feel honored to have angered some of the same people who seem obsessed with you and this site. I’d never heard of them and if you are going to accuse others of pushing conspiracy theories you really should spell “conspiracy” with the ‘n’ in it. I had left a post at jo’s explaining what it means to be a social/developmental psychologist. That you are pushing the old Marxist socio-cultural interactions theories instead of basing it on actual individual thinking and what reenforces or distorts it.
So the purpose of a theory in Lew world is to get it implemented in real classrooms or campuses to see the effects on belief system. Research-based in Orwellian ed world means the classroom is the alpha testing. Put up a link to this post http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/we-need-a-radical-change-in-our-mode-of-consciousness-even-a-new-sense-of-being-human/ that contains a quote from one of the primary deep ecologists, Thomas Berry, whose work is unfortunately becoming very influential in what is coming to K-12 classrooms to alter belief systems while students are too young to know better and their brains are physically still quite malleable.
So a watching the deniers commenter decided I must be the ultimate conspiracy theorist on the thread.
Hint: It’s not a theory if you quote open declarations of intent. Plus they are conspiring to get government money and special favors and affect the other side’s ability to get accurate info. That’s just classic Rent Seeking. Fools.
Those of you out there who are not skeptics: if the evidence was so strong in favor of CAGW, why would the “believers” need to stoop to such nonsence?
Ask yourself, “When did this all start and who started it? Who started it and what did they have to gain?”
The “evidence” that what is going on with the weather (or climate) is Man’s fault is so weak. The “evidence” that Man can do anything to control the weather is even weaker.
But they need you to continue to believe them and vote to support their nonsense.
Again, ask yourself, “When did this all start and who started it? Who started it and what did they have to gain?”
DING, DING, DING! We have a winner! I noticed that a few years back. And their behavior when they experience a differing opinion is exactly like fundamentalists of any sort, too.
To save humanity? How much of humanity will need to be purged, reeducated, and relocated in order to “save” humanity? How much Truth will be dubbed “counter-revolutionary,” and be deleted, and how much false propaganda will be embraced as “necessary evil,” and become dogma?
These fellows use the word “humanity” without much understanding of the word “humane.”
Glenn Tamblyn can’t decide which side is supposed to be the guerilla force in his strained and confused metaphor.
His (lack of) knowledge of history is on par with so much from the SkS-STW pit…
@Kev-UK
I’m reminded of the Frankie Boyle joke – “is there anything more sad than seeing a bloke walking a dog with a small plastic bag of dog poo, well except a man with a bag of dog poo and no dog I suppose”
What’s up with all this secrecy? Where is the WUWT pals off limits forum? I’d be surprised if there was one. I’d be surprised if there was an off limits forum on any of the skeptic’s websites. Anyone know of an off limits forum? Are we not all for openness and transparency? I thought that’s what this is all about.
Reply to J. Peterson: there is no secret forum on WUWT
Good idea to highlight this. So they need “assassins”?!? Law enforcement should be interested. Another reason to cheer for a big ice recovery, to calm down these excitable certifiable SkSers.
Ha…good luck. Most members of the NRA do not believe in global warming.
“And this isn’t about science…..”
Yes it is. Unless you believe boxing isn’t about punching but then you’d be bonkers. No amount of
“”donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins””
will win it for them as long as sceptics keep punching with science.
They don’t seem to have understood that they are losing the debate because their scienctific base is weak.
I’ve just seen this comment by Steve McIntyre at CA:
http://climateaudit.org/2012/09/15/lewandowskys-cleansing-program/#comment-353005
In the secret SkS forum, a member of the SkS squadron stated that “McIntyre must go down”. In another post, another SkS squadron member fantasized about ripping out Watts’ throat as follows:
“Sometimes you just want to let loose and scream about how you want to take those motherfucking arseholes, those closed-minded bigotted genocidal pieces of regurgitated dog shit and do unspeakable violence to their bodies and souls for what they are doing to the safety of what and who we all hold dear. (Ain’t a lack of a moderation policy a cleansing and liberating thing?)”
“Work out what you are best suited too and do that. But be able to distance yourself enough from your personal reactions to also see the bigger picture of the entire war and contribute to framing that broad campaign – “We need to focus on this and this and this. But my personal contribution will be to ripe Anthony Watts’ throat out – metaphorically of course.”
“No More Mr. Nice Guy”.
I’ve never experienced it but Tamblyns’ rant seems to be a clasic manifestation of a “bad trip”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_trip
Pure beta-male chest puffing and power fantasy mental masturbation.
I think it’s too early to rule out hacking. Given the description I even see it as a more likely cause than that they did it by mistake. Of course, without evidence it’s just conspiration theory but all it may require is to go through logs.