From the University of Oregon a wacky idea to refrigerate smokestacks.
Cooled coal emissions would clean air and lower health and climate-change costs
EUGENE, Ore. — (Aug. 27, 2012) — Refrigerating coal-plant emissions would reduce levels of dangerous chemicals that pour into the air — including carbon dioxide by more than 90 percent — at a cost of 25 percent efficiency, according to a simple math-driven formula designed by a team of University of Oregon physicists.
The computations for such a system, prepared on an electronic spreadsheet, appeared in Physical Review E, a journal of the American Physical Society.
In a separate, unpublished and preliminary economic analysis, the scientists argue that the “energy penalty” would raise electricity costs by about a quarter but also reap huge societal benefits through subsequent reductions of health-care and climate-change costs associated with burning coal. An energy penalty is the reduction of electricity available for sale to consumers if plants used the same amounts of coal to maintain electrical output while using a cryogenic cleanup.
“The cryogenic treatment of flue gasses from pulverized coal plant is possible, and I think affordable, especially with respect to the total societal costs of burning coal,” said UO physicist Russell J. Donnelly, whose research team was funded by the U.S. Department of Energy for the work detailed in the published journal article.
“In the U.S., we have about 1,400 electric-generating unit powered by coal, operated at about 600 power plants,” Donnelly said. That energy, he added, is sold at about 5.6 cents per kilowatt-hour, according to a 2006 Congressional Budget Office estimate. “The estimated health costs of burning coal in the U.S. are in the range of $150 billion to $380 billion, including 18,000-46,000 premature deaths, 540,000 asthma attacks, 13,000 emergency room visits and two million missed work or school days each year.”
In their separate economic analysis, Donnelly and UO research assistant Robert E. Hershberger, also a co-author on the journal paper, estimate that implementing large-scale cryogenic systems into coal-fired plants would reduce overall costs to society by 38 percent through the sharp reduction of associated health-care and climate-change costs. Not in the equation, Donnelly said, are the front-end health-care costs involved in coal extraction through mining.
The cryogenic concept is not new. Donnelly experimented briefly in the 1960s with a paper mill in Springfield, Ore., to successfully remove odor-causing gasses filling the area around the plant using cryogenics. Subsequently the National Science Foundation funded a major study to capture sulfur dioxide emissions — a contributor to acid rain — from coal burning plants. The grant included a detailed engineering study by the Bechtel Corp. of San Francisco.
The Bechtel study showed that the cryogenic process would work very well, but noted that large quantities of carbon dioxide also would be condensed, a consequence that raised no concerns in 1978. “Today we recognize that carbon dioxide emissions are a leading contributor to climate-warming factors attributed to humans,” Donnelly said.
Out came his previously published work on this concept, followed by a rigorous two-year project to recheck and update his thermodynamic calculations and compose “a spreadsheet-accessible” formula for potential use by industry. His earlier work on the cryogenic treatment of coal-plant emissions and natural gas sources had sparked widespread interest internationally.
While the required cooling machinery would be large — potentially the size of a football stadium — the cost for construction or retrofitting likely would not be dramatically larger than present systems that include scrubbers, which would no longer be necessary, Donnelly said. The new journal article does not address construction costs or the disposal of the captured pollutants, the latter of which would be dependent on engineering and perhaps geological considerations.
According to the Physical Review E paper, carbon dioxide would be captured in its solid phase, then warmed and compressed into a gas that could be moved by pipeline at near ambient temperatures to dedicated storage facilities that could be hundreds of miles away. Other chemicals such as sulfur dioxide, some nitrogen oxides and mercury also would be condensed and safely removed from the exhaust stream of the plants.
Last December the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued new mercury and air toxic standards (MATS), calling for the trapping of 41 percent of sulfur dioxide and 90 percent of mercury emissions. A cryogenic system would do better based on the conservatively produced computations by Donnelly’s team — capturing at least 98 percent of sulfur dioxide, virtually 100 percent of mercury and, in addition, 90 percent of carbon dioxide.
“This forward-thinking formula and the preliminary analysis by these researchers offer some exciting possibilities for the electric power industry that could ultimately benefit human health and the environment,” said Kimberly Andrews Espy, UO vice president for research and innovation. “Scientists at the University of Oregon are continuing to develop new ideas and advanced materials to foster a sustainable future for our planet and its people.”
Co-authors with Donnelly and Hershberger on the journal article were: Charles E. Swanson, who earned his doctorate in physics from the UO and served as postdoctoral researcher under Donnelly; John W. Elzey, a former research associate in Donnelly’s Cryogenic Helium Turbulence Lab and now a scientist at GoNano Technologies in Moscow, Idaho; and John Pfotenhauer, who earned his doctorate at the UO and now is in the mechanical engineering department at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
“The estimated health costs of burning coal in the U.S. are in the range of $150 billion to $380 billion, including 18,000-46,000 premature deaths, 540,000 asthma attacks, 13,000 emergency room visits and two million missed work or school days each year.”
These guys were born in the wrong century. They would have been hits back during the debates over how many angels could dance on the head of a pin! They would have come up with variable numbers for dancing jazz vs. ballet, fat angels vs. thin angels,
– MJM
Starve the trees to save the planet[!]
Heck, if it costs the same as conventional scrubbers, why not give it a try?
Kurt in Switzerland
::sigh:: I’d missed this on first reading: “According to the Physical Review E paper, carbon dioxide would be captured in its solid phase, then warmed and compressed into a gas that could be moved by pipeline at near ambient temperatures to dedicated storage facilities that could be hundreds of miles away”
“Dedicated storage facilities” ? Would these be at Yucca Flats? What will they eventually DO with all that deadly carbon dioxide?? Use it to make seltzer water to create highballs to get the angels drunk for their pin dancing??? After all, it’s worse than plutonium you realize. Plutonium has a half-life. We can store it up for a little while and then it becomes safe and we can let it out. But carbon dioxide will retain its deadliness for all of eternity!
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!
Not included are the costs or an energy balance for that matter. Don’t want to give out too much information….that must be for the second grant funding.
This could never work, the only proven way to reduce emissions and therefore save the planet is by taking money from people or groups we don’t like and giving it to people or groups we do like.
The coal plant pollution – asthma linkage doesn’t stand up. Asthma incidence is highest in countries that have the lowest levels of pollutants from burning coal/oil, and changes in the incidence over the last 40 years are negatively correlated with these pollutants.
The UK has the highest incidence of asthma in the world. This happened during a period when coal consumption fell by more than 60%, pollution reduction measures mandated and domestic burning of coal virtually eliminated.
The obvious question begged by this is, is the “25% reduction in efficiency” 25 percentage points, or a proportionate reduction?
If it’s the former, for a fairly typical modern coal plant that’ll be going from 45% or so thermally efficient, to 20%. If it’s the latter it’s going from 45% to 34%.
Either one’s pretty crippling in economic terms.
Also, I’d take the “no more expensive than scrubbers” claim with a pinch of salt. The planned (and now canelled) project for Longannet in Scotland was coming in at approximately £1.5 – 2Bn to deliver decarbonisation sufficient to offset 300 of the plant’s 2000 MW. That was to have used an amine-based cycle, which should be considerably more effective than a cryogenic system
“Refrigerating coal-plant emissions would reduce levels of dangerous chemicals that pour into the air — including carbon dioxide by more than 90 percent”
Since when does an odourless, colourless and harmless gas that is required to feed all plant life on this planet become a “dangerous chemical”? Stupidity from the start and then it gets worse.
Not in the equation, Donnelly said, are the front-end health-care costs involved in coal extraction through mining.
So as the process is 25% less efficient it will require the mining of more coal that will lead to more health costs for the miners. But that serves them right for being involved in filling up the death trains.
The problem with a lot of many overly zealous environmentalists is that a) they often underestimate mankind’s ability to get ourselves out of a problem and b) underestimate the Earth’s resource / resilience potential. This is why I think they keep getting their doom and gloom predictions wrong including CAGW.
Physicists playing at being engineers often provide lots of entertainment.
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Pielke Jr has a story at his blog that looks at the possibility of recycling co2 into liquid methanol.
This is taking place in Iceland where a joint Iceland USA venture is in progress.
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/recycling-carbon-dioxide-in-iceland.html
Yet more expensive and completely unnecessary hocus-pocus from the.. umm.. “scientific” community. Brought to you by your friendly taxpayer.
Uh-oh. More of the same …
“Today we recognize that carbon dioxide emissions are a leading contributor to climate-warming factors attributed to humans,”
Even if CO2 was a problem, 25% loss of efficiency seems a bit much, along with football fields of gear, pipelines to god-knows where carrying the dreaded CO2 …
Why not go for 15 – 30% CO2 reduction and INCREASED efficiency?
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/08/lower-co2-emissions-by-wait-for-it-building-new-coal-plants/
CSIRO was one of the agencies pioneering the development of efficient plants. Now you never hear of this work.
Sulfur dioxide removal followed fairly rapidly after soot removal way back, so not that hard to do?
As a 5-year old living across the road from a coal-fired gas works, I can confirm that they were removing and stock-piling sulfur in 1953. (“Mum ‘n Dad – wot’s that yellow stuff over there …)
I seem to recall (from WUWT) that:
“The estimated health costs of burning coal in the U.S. are in the range of $150 billion to $380 billion, including 18,000-46,000 premature deaths, 540,000 asthma attacks, 13,000 emergency room visits and two million missed work or school days each year.”
Is a bit exaggerated ?
http://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/is-coal-dirty.pdf
I know the global warming claims are BS.
I suspect the mortality claims are also BS.
A 25% reduction in energy efficiency is a very high price to pay for BS.
You can get all the BS you want for free – see any global warming alarmist for details.
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“The Law of Warmist BS”
You can save yourselves a lot of time, and generally be correct, by simply assuming that EVERY SCARY PREDICTION the global warming alarmists express is FALSE.
“Axiom 1 of the Law of Warmist BS”
Global warming alarmists don’t make predictions anymore – they just make projections.
Climate change costs are built on model output not real time observation.
Cryogenics is a different animal to simple refrigeration. It is far more costly in energy and what is to be done with all that solid CO2, dry ice, which will accumulate and start to warm and turn gaseous unless kept cold, another energy sapping job.
Mad cap idea on top of mad cap idea just because models ”prove” AGW climate change. Complete madness unless this suggestion is part of a grant mining operation which turns it into a complete scam.
“The estimated health costs of burning coal in the U.S. are in the range of $150 billion to $380 billion, including 18,000-46,000 premature deaths, 540,000 asthma attacks, 13,000 emergency room visits and two million missed work or school days each year.”
I’d be amazed if anyone could link any of the negative effects listed above directly to any individual and show it was caused by a specific coal plant’s exhaust.
BTW, Asthma is a very serious affliction but I have never been able to understand its steady increase in the U.S. all the while harmful coal and auto emissions – and throw in cigarette smoke exposure – have been steadily decreasing. Someone is barking up the wrong tree.
Take the genuine pollution out but leave the CO2, the plants need it!
“The estimated health costs of burning coal in the U.S. are in the range of $150 billion to $380 billion, including 18,000-46,000 premature deaths, 540,000 asthma attacks, 13,000 emergency room visits and two million missed work or school days each year.”
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Before spreadsheeting anything else these numbers should be given a once or twice over and debunked for junk.
“Today we recognize that carbon dioxide emissions are a leading contributor to climate-warming factors attributed to humans,”
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The universal key to peer-review success.
Hmmm…..has anyone told the Chinese about this? I imagine their usage of coal-fired plants
(and the associated heat/dust/chemical/whatever output) dwarfs ours….
And the CO2 can be sold on to anyone with a greenhouse, pretty cool really.
Bituminous coal, as would be burned in a steam electric plant, runs around 60-80% carbon, figure 70% or 0.7.
Atomic weight of carbon is 12, oxygen is 16, for CO₂ that’s a mass multiplier of (12+16+16)/12 = 3 2/3.
And 90% of the CO₂ is captured, 0.9.
So burn 1 tonne of bituminous, you have 0.7*(3 2/3)*0.9 = 2.3 tonnes of dry ice to haul away. And while bituminous can be hauled in by rail with open coal cars, the dry ice would have to go out in insulated cars, if you don’t mind open air venting of the CO₂ while the dry ice warms up during shipping. If that’s a problem, then refrigerated transport is needed.
Also “bulk density” of bituminous is 833 kg/m³. Density of dry ice is about 1.5 g/cm³ * 1kg/1000g * (100cm/m)³ = 1500 kg/m³. So 1 tonne bituminous to about 2.3*833/1500 = 1.3 times the volume.
So more volume and more weight to haul away, in heavier rail cars or other forms of heavier transport.
Problem is, that would be a safe and relatively cheap way to deal with the captured CO₂, and there are ready markets for dry ice. Instead the plans are to warm it up, convert to highly pressurized gas, and send it out over a dedicated pipeline network to “dedicated storage facilities” somewhere.
There’s enough trouble getting pipelines built for crude oil and oil products, which could contaminate soil and water if they leak. Likewise natural gas pipelines are frowned upon, with leaks resulting in explosions and fires.
But pressurized CO₂ pipelines, where leaks could send silent invisible waves of death flowing downhill over unsuspecting people and animals? Yeah, that’ll sure be popular.
And what “dedicated storage facilities” could they be referring to, other than underground storage?
Also, for such a large commercial refrigeration setup, the refrigerant of choice would be ammonia. So you go from a nice safe steam electric plant, which at worst could have a steam-based explosion that wouldn’t hurt anything off the plant grounds, to needing a full hazmat warning system with alerts in case of an ammonia leak, ready to evacuate anyone nearby as far away as needed.
Ah, progress.