Climate Craziness of the Week: UK Government adviser Bill McGuire says global warming is causing earthquakes and landslides !!!!

Wow, just wow. “He said:

“We are going to get climate chaos. Are we going to have geological havoc added to it? Climate change is already driving more earthquakes and giant landslides in some parts of the world.”

Full story at :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/9312347/Hay-Festival-2012-Government-adviser-Bill-McGuire-says-global-warming-is-causing-earthquakes-and-landslides.html

What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?

h/t to Barry Woods

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123 thoughts on “Climate Craziness of the Week: UK Government adviser Bill McGuire says global warming is causing earthquakes and landslides !!!!

  1. The epitome of a deranged ‘Ministry of We Know Best’. Their clarion cry will become increasingly strident, increasing desperate and increasingly ‘Lost’.

  2. He has gone from useful idiot to dangerous useful idiot. Off the rails? He’s in the field plowing up turf with the cow-catcher. He can’t back those statements up, he knows it and he doesn’t care. Dangerous!

  3. Like the witterings of Pamela Anderson, this dross will only hurt the ‘Cause’. Twelve out of the twelve comments that I just read under the Telegraph article have pronounced it utter ‘b*ll*cks.

  4. I think he is overlooking the zombie connection. Clearly, when zombies become active, they cause a lot of underground disturbances. I think I need a government grant to work on this theory…

  5. …said that the speed of today’s climate change was unprecedented in the Earth’s history. There was already more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than at any time in the last 15 million years and melting of the Greenland ice sheet would become irreversible in ten to thirty years if present trends continued.
    Yawn…. talk it up, Prof, talk it up. We’ve heard it all before.

  6. Absolutely UNHINGED! This is completely ridiculous. I suppose 9,000 years ago the Earth must have just been one constant Earthquake considering temperatures were much higher than today. His advisory status should be immediately revoked and he should be referred to the NHS for evaluation.

  7. Anthony Watts says: June 5, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Maybe Dr. McGuire, the TEAM, and all the rest of the good and great of climate science will be raptured first and leave the rest of us in peace?

  8. Anthony Watts says:
    June 5, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    Maybe he’ll go so far as to say “the rapture” is coming due to CAGW.
    =================================================================
    One thing I know about “the rapture” is that neither Man nor Mann have anything to do with its timing.

  9. (Those who have been incorporated into the Borg can not return to normal.) The purpose of the article is to (obviously) continue to pound the general public about the hazards of “climate change”. It doesn’t matter how outrageous the claim, the important thing is to keep pounding away. This strategy works….. don’t believe those polls showing otherwise. It WORKS. The argument that rational discourse can win the day is a false one. (Sorry readers of WUWT.).

  10. When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do. You need to check your facts before you start lying to the public, unless your considering presenting real SOLUTIONS to climate change. Not to mention, I am positive the original creator is not giving you permission to use their work as you have here. Mr Anthony your not part of a game but a real industry of professionals that will sue you for doing this.

    REPLY: Actually, its called “fair use”, which applies in the case of critical commentary… look it up. As for your other assertion of “When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do.” I’m assuming this is satire, and you simply forgot the /sarc tag, because it is too stupid a claim to be anything else. If that were true of “all solids”, concrete and steel would crack in the mid-day sun ;-) – Anthony

    [Not to mention taffy and bubble gum.☺ ~dbs, mod.]

  11. “What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?”

    Usually I would presume they are one of those sad and damaged people associated with 350.org. But he’s a British official, they’re even loonier than the Australians. Remember the Lord Stern Report? It was so bad, even the craziest climate nuts ignore it.

    “Maybe he’ll go so far as to say “the rapture” is coming due to CAGW.”

    Gore already did Revelation in AIT. It truly is time for a sequel.

  12. Changing loads on the crust from melting glaciers and rising sea levels actually could cause earthquakes. Such quakes would very likely be too rare and minor to be of any concern though.

  13. It IS 2012 after all. Can you blame the guy?
    (Do I need a sarc tag? Perhaps a h/t to the mayans.)

  14. Actually it is probably not quite correct to say that rising sea levels and melting glaciers could “cause” earthquakes. It would probalby only change the timing and distribution of them, without making them worse on average.

  15. For the benefit of readers outside the UK, the “Hay Festival” originated as an annual get-together of authors and arty types in a sort of ‘bonding’ way (an opportunity to try to claw each other’s eyes out with decency).
    Over the years it has expanded to include all sorts of leading experts on absolutely everything (and anyone who can escape without the nurse noticing their absence); these folk give freely of their time to pontificate to the assembled and adoring throng.
    Yesterday, the Telegraph’s same Geoffrey Lean wrote faithfully of friend Bill McGibben’s bewailing that there is too little poetry, music or opera created to enlighten us all in the cause of AGW.
    My case rests.

  16. I take comfort by reading the comments under yet another cut and paste from Geoffrey Lean. Apart from the nutters like Mcguire trying to sell their books, the average person appears to treat Global Warming/ chaos/climate change or whatever it has morphed into with the informed contempt that it deserves. Problem is that getting the nutters off the gravy train is going to need a lot more than a whistle and a red flag.

  17. Unfortunately I must correct myself again. It is possible for earthquakes to be caused by melting. For example if all the ice in Antarctica melted that would likely cause significant earthquakes which would not occur if the ice remained constant. Of course I realize that all the ice in Antarctica can’t melt anytime soon, if ever.

  18. Anthony Watts says:
    June 5, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    Maybe he’ll go so far as to say “the rapture” is coming due to CAGW.

    He’s only one letter away from doing so. (He’s saying the rupture is the fault of AGW.)

    Here’s where he may have got the idea:

    kadaka (09:28:22) :

    HectorK (03:11:03) :
    Sorry…. OT I know but after a brief lull it appears the BBC are right back on it! Global Warming the child killer!!!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8533937.stm

    You could have headlined that post with what is stated at the beginning of the article, as it explains a lot.

    VIEWPOINT
    Dr Tony Waterston
    Consultant paediatrician and chair of the Advocacy Committee, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health
    …………..
    Don’t get me started on the earthquakes, which are linked to global warming. (Because the extra thermal energy has lead to more intense flows in atmospheric and oceanic currents, which has resulted in more movement of and stress on the tectonic plates thus more and stronger earthquakes. See, makes perfect sense.)

  19. Anthony Watts said on June 5, 2012 at 2:20 pm:

    Maybe he’ll go so far as to say “the rapture” is coming due to CAGW.

    It’s actually the raptors coming to the windmills combating CAGW, but close enough for government work.

  20. Wow, obviously the answer for this kind of intellectual training deficit is for Universities to require students that manage to avoid Calculus and a rigorous Math concentration to take a course in Logic and Semantics and at least one other philosophy course. Of course telling Professor McGuire that he needs to take a couple 100 and 200 level course could start a “volcano storm” all on it’s own.

  21. Anyone able to read the comments to the article?

    For some reason I’ve had problems loading disqus at the Telly recently.

  22. Reblogged this on ballisticpolitics and commented:
    These people are just amazing. They think we’re so stupid that if they scattered gravel at our feet we’d peck at it.

  23. Cut him some slack! We’re having a unique four-day national holiday, street parties, loads of beer and pop-concerts, thousands of hill-top bonfires and are celebrating a diamond jubilee despite the drizzle. With any luck the hippies over at Hay-on-Wye will do some chanting and wailing and dancing with the Druids and evoke summer. Reality will cut in next week as the Eurocrash tumbles and local councils block windfarms.

  24. A couple of corrections to my 2.47pm post, if I may:
    I see it is McKibben, ‘K’ not a ‘G’.
    Telegraph article referred to actually dated 1st June, although I read it yesterday.
    Apologies.

  25. From the last paragraph:

    “Most recent earthquakes, he added,had been caused by conventional geological activity, without any contribution from climate change, but global warming was likely to make things worse in future. ”

    In other words, recent quakes have nothing to do with AGW but they might in the future.

    I don’t believe any recent quakes were caused by crappy journalism either. But it could cause huge earthquakes in the future. Watch out California!

    Is there no end to the stupidity the MSM will inflict upon us?

  26. My My…imagine his excitement should ever find a turnip in the shape of the Virgin Mary…

  27. For this statement Dr. McGuire needs to be brought infront of the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee. The government must be greatly concerned about these new developments?

    Or is it just that they are on the road again!

    i owe, I owe,
    From Hay to Rio we go!

  28. Bill McGuire’s words will be taken up as gospel and repeated. It won’t be any use trying to talk sense with those who will vehemently echo his remarks, as any such efforts will earn one a hate filled tirade.

  29. @Green Sand
    “The government must be greatly concerned about these new developments?”
    The development being that a government science adviser appears to lost his mind.

  30. Well, electoral landslides maybe.

    People get sick and tired of the lies and taxes caused by AGW.

  31. Anthony Watts asked: “What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?”

    You could give some arguments, why you think it is impossible that global warming may cause earthquakes and landslides. For the experts here at WUWT it may be obvious why this is unthinkable, but I am not a seismologist. Unfortunately, now I only have the arguments from the Telegraph in favour of this possibility. To be able to form a better opinion some arguments against would be very much welcome.

  32. Another newspaper I won’t ever read or refer to again. Publishing rubbish like that is very very irresponsible and can not be justified however you want to contort the argument for doing so.

  33. From rogerknights on June 5, 2012 at 2:53 pm:

    Here’s where he may have got the idea:

    kadaka (09:28:22) :

    Ha, that’s an old and long “Of course global warming causes or makes worse everything!” reply rant. Had to dig it up to remind myself what I wrote:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/02/2001-2010-was-the-snowiest-decade-on-record/#comment-334255

    Nice to see the “science” as presented to the public hasn’t changed much. They keep blaming, and blaming, and blaming, and looking crazy, and crazier, and crazier…

  34. Prof Lenardic at Rice University/College in Houston (Earth Science) would appear to provide a numerical modeled basis to McGuires’ Revationesque view of Armageddon as lead author of this article ‘Hot Climate Could Shut Down Plate Tectonics’ (Rice University 2008, May 12). Can one suppose that there may have been a shortage of grant funding at the time, aside from any issues associated with plausibility or validation?

  35. Hopefully not OTT.(sorry if so)

    From the Telegraphs comments section:

    “Does this man’s carers know that he is out and about?”

  36. OMG, there are even a few that are gullible.

    If only warming caused earthquakes and landslides then there wouldn’t be any earthquakes and landslides when it was cooling. The Earth miles down below the land surface is much warmer than the surface.

    Earthquakes are caused miles below the surface, how can a little fraction degree change on the surface have any affect miles down people, stop being so non scientific.

    The difference between winter and summer temperatures are huge on the surface and they have no influence on earthquakes and landslides. For a start it would mean earthquakes could only occur in the summer too depending which hemisphere. Yet massive temperature changes have no noticeable affect on earthquakes, yet some insane actually think a fraction of degree does.

  37. Richard Nelson: Since you insist on playing troll here at WUWT, let me repeat the reply I gave you on the thread of today’s post here that I authored. I’ll change the date and time for this one.

    There are a multitude of grammatical and typing errors in your June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm comment. The odd thing? You’re attempting to promote your freelance science writing business with the freelancesciencewriting.com link attached to your name. I don’t think you’re going to find many takers with your poor grammar and typing skills.

    Adios

  38. Victor Venema says:
    June 5, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    Unfortunately, now I only have the arguments from the Telegraph in favour of this possibility. To be able to form a better opinion some arguments against would be very much welcome.
    __________________
    Will Rogers said: ““All I know is just what I read in the papers, and that’s an alibi for my ignorance.”

    It seems that you are saying that the article in the Telegraph must be true (for you, at least) until proven otherwise, or aAre you making an argument for the null hypothesis?

    Nevertheless, here’s a little exercise, which may prove enlightening for you:
    McKibben said: “Climate change is already driving more earthquakes and giant landslides in some parts of the world…”
    Where are those earthquakes and giant landslides

    Ice sheets have been melting since the end of the last ice age, at least some of the time… witness the growth of the Antarctic ice mass.

    Lastly,
    “The problem ain’t what people know. It’s what people know that ain’t so that’s the problem.”
    ― Will Rogers

  39. I am beginning to wonder if there is some kind of new recreational drug that these clowns have gotten connected with. Bath soaps? Mann’s hot sauce? Orange sunshine or purple microdot never caused this kind of behavior.

  40. Victor Venema says:
    June 5, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    You could give some arguments, why you think it is impossible that global warming may cause earthquakes and landslides.
    In case you hadn’t noticed, we currently are not at the end of an ice age, but in the middle of an interglacial. Furthermore, he claims that “Climate change is already driving more earthquakes and giant landslides in some parts of the world”, with zero evidence . That isn’t how science works. But, you don’t really care about that, do you?

  41. Manfred says:
    June 5, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Prof Lenardic at Rice University/College in Houston (Earth Science) …”
    ______________________
    While some would argue that all of our nation’s universities have been contaminated by an overabundance of leftist ideologues, Rice U. is decidedly and overwhelmingly in the lefty camp.

  42. “Most recent earthquakes, he added, had been caused by conventional geological activity, without any contribution from climate change, but global warming was likely to make things worse in future.”

    Has global warming ever been supposed to make things better and “in the future”? LOL

  43. The Geoffrey Lean article mentioning McKibben has been mentioned above. Here is the intro and link. A few examples they Lean may have missed are included in the comments. :)

    “‘Where are the books? The poems? The plays? The goddamn operas?” So asked Bill McKibben, author and environmental campaigner, venting frustration at the cultural failure to address climate change.

    It was a fair question, and it spawned a movement. Shouldn’t the arts be getting to grips not just with global warming but with the whole multi-headed global environmental crisis, at a time when – if the scientists are even half right – civilisation faces its greatest ever challenge? The issue has come up at two cultural celebrations this week – the Telegraph Hay Festival and the Salisbury International Arts Festival, whose media partner is also this newspaper.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/9305638/A-cold-climate-in-the-arts-world.html

  44. My sisters former home in Mission B.C. was condemned due to a landslide caused by too much rain. The neighboring houses were destroyed by the landslide. Fortunately for my sister, she had sold the home a short while before this event. Our B.C. government used to tell us that our climate change would mean less rain, as that would be the worst case scenario here. Recent years weather has not been cooperating with the government. To be fair, the current leadership seems to have gotten the message of skepticism, as well as from polling data, and is pursuing resource development.

  45. In the tiny constraints of McGuire’s brain CAGW also causes, in addition to earthquakes and landslides,banana & petrol price increases, polar bear massacres, species annihilation, dwarfism, coral reef losses, floods, tornadoes, wind events, solar eclipses, transits of Venus and all known physical events on Earth. Enough, already, Enough! .

  46. Richard Nelson says:
    June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm
    When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do. You need to check your facts before you start lying to the public, unless your considering presenting real SOLUTIONS to climate change. Not to mention, I am positive the original creator is not giving you permission to use their work as you have here. Mr Anthony your not part of a game but a real industry of professionals that will sue you for doing this.
    ================
    REPLY: Actually, its called “fair use”, which applies in the case of critical commentary… look it up. As for your other assertion of “When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do.” I’m assuming this is satire, and you simply forgot the /sarc tag, because it is too stupid a claim to be anything else. If that were true of “all solids”, concrete and steel would crack in the mid-day sun ;-) – Anthony
    [Not to mention taffy and bubble gum.☺ ~dbs, mod.]
    ==================

    … and whilst you are about it, Richard Nelson, please learn the difference between “your” and “you are” or “you’re”. More the reason why wagging school in your case is not a good idea.

  47. “I think what we’re seeing now is a doubling down – a desperation. I think it’s recognized by now that many, many professional societies, which have nothing to do with climate, have committed themselves to the issue. Many scientists have committed themselves to the issue publicly, while trying to do science that actually counters it.

    “If at this point the issue collapses, the consequences for science – at least institutional science – will be dramatic. And, so, [they're] caught – so to speak – between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea. On the one hand [they] know that this is disastrous for the science…[while] on the other hand [they] know it’s disastrous for [them], if it doesn’t continue [i.e., asserting catastrophic AGW].” – Richard Lindzen at the Book Forum for “Climate Coup: Global Warming’s Invasion of Our Government and Our Lives” (May 4, 2011)

    Naming climate change (or its less sexier cousin – catastrophic AGW) as the driver behind today’s (more frequent) earthquakes and landslides (in some parts of the world) is desperation – period.

  48. I should point out that the landslide I mentioned in my previous comment was also due to building a house where one should not have been built. Above a steep raven with a creek below. The work my sisters husband did on the slope probably saved it from collapsing while the neighboring homes had no such work.

  49. There is too much speculation and too many different future disasters that scientists are blaming on manmade global warming to not have a common source and motivation for the claims.

  50. Richard Nelson says:
    June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm
    When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do………..
    =============================================================
    CAUTION!!!
    Meltdown in progress.

  51. Richard Nelson says:
    June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do…..
    ____________________________________
    The quality of the TROLLs is really getting quite low.

    Can’t you Oil Companies find us a decent troll who at least has some background in science? Is the quarterly financial report so bad you can’t afford to pay for “A” rated trolls anymore? Good grief, this guy doesn’t even know that when ice heats up it MELTS! He is no fun! no challenge!

    Richard here is a real simple experiment for you. Take an ice cube and flip it onto a red hot burner on an electric stove and see what it does.

  52. Richard Nelson says:
    June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do.

    This is not true. It depends on particular solid, the temperature differential and speed of heating. The temperature changes due to climate change is much less than changes between night and day. According to your logic, we should have horrible earthquakes every time snow melts at the end of the winter.

    You need to check your facts before you start lying to the public, unless your considering presenting real SOLUTIONS to climate change.

    I am confused by your statement. Are you implying that it’s OK to lie to public if you present solution to climate change or is it just a freudian slip?

    And you actually make a living by doing science writing? Considering quality of your supposedly scientific writing on this blog, I feel sorry for poor suckers you manage to convince to hire you.

  53. You can say something along the lines of:

    “Have you ever had a thought?” or “What are you smoking” or …. the game is without end because, claearly, the stupidity is without end.

  54. Found this comment over at Steve Goddard’s:

    tckev says:
    June 6, 2012 at 1:17 am

    He was doing the same about tsunami warnings a year ago but it got less publicity. He’s basically touting for money to set up a ‘A global databank could warn of natural disasters’, and a government position (like he used to have 2004)
    Last years report – http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/08/earthquake-tsunami-early-warning

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/bill-mcguire-takes-climate-fraud-to-a-new-level/#comment-93137

    Makes sense.

  55. Disko Troop says: @ June 5, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    …. Problem is that getting the nutters off the gravy train is going to need a lot more than a whistle and a red flag.
    ____________________________________
    Don’t worry, some of our American cowboys are already practicing…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T73PxWSn6a0

  56. “We are going to have geological havoc”.
    ——————————————————-
    This is a sign that no one is listening anymore.

  57. Ice at room temperature is relatively soft, but meet the real stuff up here in Canada, and discover how hard it really is – like granit.

  58. Anthony Watts asked: “What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?”

    You could give some arguments, why you think it is impossible that global warming may cause earthquakes and landslides…..
    __________________________________________
    Here are a few links I have bookmarked:
    General discussion on Earthquakes and Plate Tectonics: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/plate_tectonics/rift_man.php

    @ WUWT
    Fundamental questions on Isostasy and Mean Sea-Level
    Why, yes, linking climate change to Earthquakes, Tsunamis, and Volcanoes DOES seem “to be bordering on the insane”

    From Tallbloke’s Talkshop
    M.A. Vukcevic: Earthquakes and Geomagnetic Storms

    And the reason why we are laughing.
    Glacial isostatic rebound

    What is glacial isostatic adjustment (GIA), and why do you correct for it?
    The correction for glacial isostatic adjustment (GIA) accounts for the fact that the ocean basins are getting slightly larger since the end of the last glacial cycle. GIA is not caused by current glacier melt, but by the rebound of the Earth from the several kilometer thick ice sheets that covered much of North America and Europe around 20,000 years ago. Mantle material is still moving from under the oceans into previously glaciated regions on land. The effect is that currently some land surfaces are rising and some ocean bottoms are falling relative to the center of the Earth (the center of the reference frame of the satellite altimeter). Averaged over the global ocean surface, the mean rate of sea level change due to GIA is independently estimated from models at -0.3 mm/yr (Peltier, 2001, 2002, 2009; Peltier & Luthcke, 2009). The magnitude of this correction is small (smaller than the ±0.4 mm/yr uncertainty of the estimated GMSL rate), but the GIA uncertainty is at least 50 percent. However, since the ocean basins are getting larger due to GIA, this will reduce by a very small amount the relative sea level rise that is seen along the coasts……

    In other words even with the FAST melting of several kilometer thick ice sheets when the earth entered the Holocene interglacial, the earth has taken over 20,000 years to rebound and is STILL doing so. Removing the puny glaciers that are still left is really not going to have much of an additional effect on the tectonic plates. Just compare it to the effect of half the northern hemisphere under ice and then melting.

    The Sun and volcanoes (& earthquakes)

    Sun/dust correlations and volcanic interference:

    Abstract

    We examine the relationship between the GISP2 dust profile, a proxy for the Northern Hemisphere atmospheric dust load, and the Wolf sunspot number, a proxy for solar activity. The two records are positively correlated, but the phase of the relationship is disturbed by the effects of explosive volcanism. Similar correlation failures have already been noted for many other climatic indicators. Our work suggests that a large fraction of the correlation failures may be attributed to explosive volcanic activity.

  59. Unencumbered by the thought process, government bureaucrats making there living from the misery of mankind.

  60. Sigh, this is an adviser to the government of a major power. The man is bat-(self-snip) crazy. His analysis is about 12,000 years too late. The global warming that rather suddenly (on geologic time anyway) melted the miles thick continental glaciers at the beginning of the Holocene certainly led to earthquakes from the rebound of all that weight being removed. As we no longer have miles thick continental glaciers (except on Antarctica) there is no mechanism to cause these phantom earthquakes. I am afraid that the current bout of earthquakes are just of the plain old plate-tectonic and mantle convection variety the Earth has experienced throughout time. The connection to CAGW is unproven and unprovable (maybe we’ve upset Gaea and must sacrifice a pure believer to pacify her). I would worry more about one of the sleeping super-volcanoes like Yellowstone exploding than anything from the temperature rebounds from the little ice age.

  61. From Richard Nelson on June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm:

    When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do.

    All the ice cube trays I’ve used must be defective. The ice cracks while getting colder. Likewise the steel I’ve encountered must all be defective, it gets brittle and can crack when cooled to very low temperatures, even shatter. When hardening heat treatable steel, it can also crack and shatter during hardening when cooling off, aka quenching. When I heat steel it gets soft, sometimes melts, doesn’t crack.

    So where can I get ice cube trays and steel that conforms to Mr. Nelson’s expectations?

  62. littlepeaks says:
    June 5, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    I think climate change is causing increased numbers of bats in belfries (sigh).
    _________________________________
    Don’t insult bats. They are much more useful than politicians.

    Do you think we could get the Wizard of COz to turn about 80% of the world’s politicians/bureaucrats into real bats and save us from the present idiocy as well as malaria carrying mosquitos?

  63. From Gail Combs on June 5, 2012 at 7:52 pm:

    Do you think we could get the Wizard of COz to turn about 80% of the world’s politicians/bureaucrats into real bats and save us from the present idiocy as well as malaria carrying mosquitos?

    This can be a bad time to be a bat, mainly in the North Eastern part of North America, with White-nose syndrome spreading and many bats sickened and killed, with estimates of more than a million dead so far.

    Although it is arguable which is worse, bats with white-nose syndrome or politicians/bureaucrats with brown-nose syndrome.

  64. Incredible reach. Ok,two can play the philosopher lottery.
    I’ll go with Plato’s 1st part of the legend of Atlantis, as told by the Egyptian wise man Sais to Solon.
    The way it was told back then, great calamnities were part of natural cycles.
    So this new theory needs some sort of basis. Sais said Egypt’s was from antiquity passed down, what does the AGW causes Seismic draw on?

  65. Mick J says:
    June 5, 2012 at 5:07 pm
    The Geoffrey Lean article mentioning McKibben has been mentioned above. Here is the intro and link. A few examples they Lean may have missed are included in the comments. :)
    ” ‘Where are the books? The poems? The plays? The goddamn operas?’ So asked Bill McKibben, author and environmental campaigner, venting frustration at the cultural failure to address climate change.”

    Dunno what The Artsy Set™ has in the works for plays and opera (“The Barber of Yamal”? “CO2si fan tutti”?), but a lot of WUWT commenters regularly invoke Calliope and mug CAGW topics with their poetry– uhhhh –doggerel…

  66. The fact that The Daily Telegraph employs this swivel-eyed old ecoloon Geoffrey Lean to frequently ‘report’ on this bilgewater is a stain on its reputation. I wonder if James Delingpole is ever going to school this odious little twerp.

    And Bill McGuire is a rotten disgrace, BTW – propagating his mythical CAGW nonsense in a remorseless act of self-promotion at none other than The Hay Festival, the largest and most fervent hot-bed of tofu-scoffing, sandal-wearing, hairy-armpit cheese-mongers in the whole of Christendom. I bet they sucked it right in.

    }:o(

  67. eyesonu says: I am beginning to wonder if there is some kind of new recreational drug that these clowns have gotten connected with. Bath soaps? Mann’s hot sauce? Orange sunshine or purple microdot never caused this kind of behavior.

    AGW alarmism is so potentially destructive, I often think our civilization will fall like Ancient Rome, where the water system was made of lead, resulting in insane emperors and infertile citizens.

    In our modern times, I’ve been wondering for some time if there isn’t something similar in the air or water, something causing academics to join The AGW Faith. In the UK, I’ve suspected it might be the result of German use of mutagenic compounds in WWI poison gas attacks, which slowly reduced the IQ of Parliament to the point where 463 MPs voted for the Climate Change Act, and only three opposed it.

    Then I sometimes suspect that universities around the world spray some sort of brain-killing insecticide on the ivy which infests their buildings.

    Or maybe it’s just greed.

  68. I have just read this drivel in this mornings Telegraph. My interpretation is that it smacks of desperation to get on the gravy train while it is still moving. As the AGW hypothesis continues to flounder in the collective minds of the general public, more and more certifiable fools will come out of the woodwork asking us to believe even more ridiculous statements.

  69. I saw a Discovery Channel broadcast, that reported research based on SO2 residual in ice cores from the Antarctic. Apparently, the rate of significant volcanic eruptions on the earth has tripled in the past two thousand years or so.

    While that’s interesting (and could be scary for people of the *next* millennium if eruption rates continue to rise over that time), it’s not related to the rate of man-made CO2 in the atmosphere.

    Unfortunately, humans are easy to scare and manipulate. Here’s to hoping more people think for themselves and see through the climatemongering.

  70. The suggestion that earthquakes, landslides, volcano erruptions etc are caused by global warming or will become more frequent as a result of global warming is so stupid, it does not call for comment from any sentient being.

    It is worrying that people who hold such a view have a role in governments. It is no wonder the world is in such a mess (politically and economically speaking) when people with that intelectual capacity make decisions or influence decision making. God help us.

  71. It is reading sites like WUWT that raises my perceptions of global events. That Is why I read here every day. Every day something interesting/new. Thank you Anthony. Now back to earthquakes. Is the media reporting more? Why is the magnetic north pole moving so rapidly? The current quiet sun is effecting earth’s magnetic field. Is any of this related? Should we pay attention?
    CAGW is a distraction from real world events. A political train crash. Consequences yet to be observed.

  72. Climate Craziness has got me thinking about slight variations to the titles of books, song lyrics, old sayings, etc. This is not the right place for many of them, but a selection follows to give the idea in case you wish to turn it into a separate fun thread in the future.
    ……………………………………………………………………….
    THE DOG THAT DID NOT STRIP BARK
    Arthur Conan Doyle’s ‘Silver Blaze’.
    ……………………………………………………………..
    STUDENT’S T FOR 2
    Shostakovich: Piano Concertos Jazz Suite No. 1; Tahiti Trot (Tea for Two)
    ……………………………………………………………..
    DIAMONDS r^2 FOREVER
    Songwriters: Don Barry, John Black, modified.
    ………………………………………………………..
    BEST WE FORGET
    A tribute to the fallen at Berkeley.
    ………………………………………………………..
    MAD MAXIMUM
    1979 film directed by George Miller without the imum, script by James McCausland.
    ……………………………………………..
    SORRY, WRONG NUMBER
    1948 American suspense film noir directed by Anatole Litvak, adapted from CRU.
    ………………………………………………
    THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE ERROR TERMS.
    Full Title: “The Good Earth”. Pearl Buck won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1938.
    ………………………………………………
    THE RED BODGE OF COURAGE
    Author: Stephen Crane. Color scheme by Photoshop.
    ……………………………………………………………
    HIDE THE DECLINE AND FALL
    1776-1789. English historian Edward Gibbon, in six volumes, from barely audible to blatant.
    ……………………………………………
    RUDDIGORE
    Gilbert & Sullivan (1887); a topsy-turvy take on Victorian melodrama.
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    NO CHILDREN, NO GUILT, 10:10
    Adapted from Sylvia D Lucas, November 2011.
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    DEALING WITH PEER POWER, POP CULTURE, THE WALL OF SILENCE AND OTHER CHALLENGES OF RAISING TODAYS YOUNG CLIMATE SCIENTISTS.
    Adapted from Ron Taffel, Melinda Blau, 2002.
    …………………………………………………………..

  73. jorgekafkazar:
    There are sinister chemicals in the air and water. Next time you see a rainbow, be very, very afraid!

  74. Re your question, Anthony, on Bill McGuire “What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?”
    Answer, you make him take the next switch and change lines.
    McGuire shows incredible confusion of the past and the present, with a very sparse data base. There have always been earthquakes. Sometimes, an earthquake will cause the colloidal process of thixotropy, causing underwater sedimented slopes to go partially liquid and to flow. Very high flow velocities have been calculated from the times of severance of undersea transmission cables. The point is, the onset of the process, be if tiny or huge, can be triggered by small quakes or large, requiring no story to do with climate change. Probably, it has been ever thus at least for milions of years.

  75. What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?

    If you are the UK government then “would you like a job?” is pretty much par for the course.

  76. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
    June 5, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    From Richard Nelson on June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm:

    When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do.

    All the ice cube trays I’ve used must be defective. The ice cracks while getting colder.

    That’s because you have too much CO2 in your freezer.

  77. Geoff Sherrington,

    Love it!

    jorgekafkazar,

    She must be a joy. She sees rainbows and immediately thinks “pollution”. I fear for her state of mind.

  78. He said: “We are going to get climate chaos. Are we going to have geological havoc added to it? Climate change is already driving more earthquakes and giant landslides in some parts of the world.”

    Where is the peer reviewed evidence that shows this? Finally, the Earth has been in a general warming trend since the end of the little ice age in the mid 1800s. What’s the problem?

    I sometimes wonder how many of these people have made investments in the carbon markets. ;-)

    Here is the best rated comment so far on the Telegraph.

    Its only a couple of days ago that Geoffrey was asking for people to start writing fiction about ‘Global warming’

    It would appear someone has answered the call with this piece of comedy!

    Laugh, I nearly cracked a rib.

  79. Some years ago I respected this man, but no longer.
    Everything changed when I saw him in a youtube video a couple of years ago. In it he suggested that climate sceptics were the equivalent of holocaust deniers.
    This man is beneath contempt.
    .
    He states that earthquakes and landslides have increased due to climate change (what happened to ‘global warming’?)
    Can anyone point to data for the incidence of earthquakes in general and for Alaska in particular?
    Does the data show any trends that could be linked to climate change? Or is it just doom-mongering about terrible things that are always in the future?
    Chris

  80. I was in discussion with someone in NZ about 10 years ago who claimed an earth quake swarm in Wellington *was* a direct result of AGW driven climate change. Deranged is a word I would not use to describe this insanity.

  81. If the causality of Bill McGuire’s physical description is realistic then as we’ve come out of an ice age with all that grief then we’d better not go back into one else when we come out of that one all the little kittens and puppies will be killed in the earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanic firestorms all over again.

    So better to keep heaping out CO2 if he’s right to keep the temperature up else a thousand or more generations from now we will be cursing us and our stupid carbon emissions capping.

  82. “What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?”

    You can say:

    Dear Editor,

    I have been a regular reader of your newspaper for several decades now. When I started , it was an excellent and unbiased source of news, but in recent years I have noticed increasing numbers of articles which are neither factual nor informative.

    Your article today, reporting the mental breakdown of a Government adviser at the Hay Festival and giving prominence to his bizarre delusions that the human race is somehow “causing earthquakes and landslides”, is the last straw. I shall no longer purchase your once excellent newspaper until and unless I see some evidence of its return to the real world.

    Yours in sorrow,

    A. Reader

    In the case of the Telegraph, this would only work for UK readers, of course, but if enough people did it then perhaps these “churnalists” and “repeaters” would eventually get the message.

  83. jorgekafkazar says:
    June 5, 2012 at 10:24 pm
    “AGW alarmism is so potentially destructive, I often think our civilization will fall like Ancient Rome, where the water system was made of lead, resulting in insane emperors and infertile citizens. ”

    That would have been the least of their worries, as they also used lead as sweetener; and many after them as well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate

  84. Richard Nelson says:

    “When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do. ”

    Puhleeeeze!! – Take an intro to Geology class you moron.

  85. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
    June 5, 2012 at 7:47 pm
    From Richard Nelson on June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm:

    When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do.

    My ice cracks when I pour Jack Daniels on it. I pour Jack on a glass with no ice and the glass does not crack. I pour Jack down my throat and I crack a smile. So I think your wrong.

  86. Victor Venema says:
    June 5, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    Unfortunately, now I only have the arguments from the Telegraph in favour of this possibility. To be able to form a better opinion some arguments against would be very much welcome.

    Rubbish! In science it is up to those who make claims to provide the evidence. Where is his peer reviewed evidence? Is there an increase in the frequency of Earthquakes and did AGW cause it? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE????

  87. To the tune of:

    I feel the earth move under my feet.
    I feel the land slidin’ down, slidin’ down.
    I feel solids start to cracklin’
    When CO2 abounds.

    Volcanoes will increase in pace!
    Tsunamis will cause dismay!
    By, taxin’, I can stop it
    When you send more control my way.

    I feel the earth move under my feet.
    I feel the land slidin’ down, slidin’ down.
    I feel solids start to cracklin’
    When CO2 abounds.

    It’s alarmin’, when you hear me
    And on coal plants I place the blame.
    Coal plant emissions
    Are something I just must tame.
    I’ve just got to tame ‘em today.

    I feel the earth move under my feet.
    I feel the land slidin’ down, slidin’ down.
    I feel the earth move under my feet.
    I feel the land slidin’ down.
    Climate’s losin’ control
    Down to our very soil.
    It gets hot and cold all over,
    All over, all over, all over, all over.

    I feel the earth move under my feet.
    I feel the land slidin’ down, slidin’ down,
    I feel the earth move under my feet.
    I feel the land slidin’ down, slidin’ down,
    Slidin’ down, slidin’ down slidin’ down, slidin’ down…

  88. Richard Nelson says:
    June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm
    When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do.

    Too funny, up until a couple of years ago there was a “consensus” that glass was an extremely slow moving liquid, on second look, it appears the consensus was WRONG, but it shows just how little use a scientific consensus is when the original hypothesis is wrong. Perhaps you should take the advice of a few of the people above and go back to school.. you are definitely missing something..

  89. I emailed Bill McG about his claims and got the following response.

    Email response from Bill
    Could I suggest that you and your ‘extremely intelligent and science-trained’ readers actually read the book? Then you will find that these are not my claims. The book is based upon hard, evidence-based science, and presents results and observations already published in more than 100 peer-reviewed papers in the most eminent science journals.

    You – and they – may also be interested to know that the issue is addressed for the first time in the recent IPCC report on extreme events, which can be accessed at: http://ipcc-wg2.gov/SREX/

    Ridicule away!!!!

    Email From Me
    On 06/06/2012 19:09, james Allison wrote:
    Hi Bill

    You don’t know me however I should point out to you that a recent press article quoting some extraordinarily claims you made has been featured on a science blog called Watts Up With That. Of significance is that this bog has won all sorts of awards and is considered the most read climate science blog world wide to the tune of around 117,000,000 views. Of particular significantly most readers are extremely intelligent and science trained.

    I’m wondering whether you would care to visit the site – link below – in order to respond to the obvious ridicule taking place against you. .

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/05/climate-craziness-of-the-week-uk-government-adviser-bill-mcguire-says-global-warming-is-causing-earthquakes-and-landslides/#more-65052

    Cheers

    James Allison

  90. From pkatt on June 6, 2012 at 1:55 pm:

    Too funny, up until a couple of years ago there was a “consensus” that glass was an extremely slow moving liquid, on second look, it appears the consensus was WRONG, but it shows just how little use a scientific consensus is when the original hypothesis is wrong. (…)

    I remember when Steven Goddard was catching flak here on WUWT for thinking glass is a supercooled liquid, pointing to evidence like old window glass seemingly melted in place in their frames. How can there be ancient glass artifacts found that aren’t looking melted?

    Then I read up on glass, and found out that simple glass made with silica and sodium carbonate (plain soda glass) is water soluble, so lime, magnesium oxide, and aluminum oxide are added for stability.

    That “melted” window glass, could just be crappy plain glass that repeatedly got wet, softened and moved, and dried out again. Presumably high humidity would also have an effect.

    So it really could be true, with a certain composition in the right conditions, that glass really will appear to be an extremely slow moving liquid.

  91. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:

    “So it really could be true, with a certain composition in the right conditions, that glass really will appear to be an extremely slow moving liquid.”

    Glass, like Fluff marshmallow, is an amorphous solid and not a liquid – appearance and rate of movement notwithstanding.

  92. “So it really could be true, with a certain composition in the right conditions, that glass really will appear to be an extremely slow moving liquid.”
    ================================================
    I guess glass isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. 8-)

  93. The hypothetical CO2 induced global warming causes the entire planet to expand and fracture the tectonic plates now? Not just a silly little degree or two heating of the atmosphere?

    WOW! Just…. WOW!

  94. Err, regular readers of Geoffrey Lean at the DT will know that only the most idiotic assertions are stupid enough to be included in his articles.

  95. In the old days there were still stupid people in the villages. The difference is the stupid fools got the boot with swift action and today they are ever more emboldened by the lack of action taken against them. Welcome to the politically correct union world that tolerates farce in your face

  96. Strange, all those aggressive reactions. I only asked: “You could give some arguments, why you think it is impossible that global warming may cause earthquakes and landslides.”

    Claiming that that means that I agree with the statement that global warming may cause earthquakes and landslides is utter stupidity.

    Jimbo answered without answering: “In science it is up to those who make claims to provide the evidence.”

    Which is true, thus I guess this blog is not science. Or is there an exception for claims of craziness or claims made by Anthony?

    The aggressive answers sound like George W. Bush, either you are with us or you are against us, either you believe in Anthony without thinking or you are the enemy.

    Thanks for the other nice comments that did give some arguments. That was very helpful.

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