Canada yanks some climate change programs from budget

 
Canadian federal budget a step forward on climate change

Ottawa, Canada, March 29, 2012: “The International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) congratulates the Government of Canada for removing from the federal Budget the misleading language of previous Budgets concerning clean air and climate change,” said Tom Harris, executive director ICSC which is headquartered in Ottawa, Canada. “In past years, this serious science mistake, appearing repeatedly in such an important document, contributed to public confusion about the distinctly different approaches needed to address these two issues. This mistake has now been corrected and therefore a more productive debate about environmental protection will be possible moving forward.”

“We also express our support for the elimination of the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy (NRTEE),” stated Dr. Tim Ball, ICSC science advisor and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. “The NRTEE’s biased approach to the climate issue, looking at the impacts on Canada of warming, but ignoring the far more dangerous, and more probable, cooling, contributed to a distortion of the discussion about how best to prepare for future climate change.”

“While we are unable to assess specific climate-related Budget details until the Estimates are released in May, it is encouraging to see essentially no references to the mistaken concept that humanity’s carbon dioxide emissions have a substantial influence on global climate,” said Harris. “This is different to past Budgets where climate change was highlighted as a major factor driving a number of federal initiatives. We encourage the government to now also change the emphasis of their Clean Air Fund and clean energy generation projects to focus solely on the important topic of air quality. Adaptation to climate change is also important, but it is unrelated to clean air so must be treated separately.”



The ICSC is a non-partisan group of scientists, economists and energy and policy experts who are working to promote better understanding of climate science and related policy worldwide. We aim to help create an environment in which a more rational, open discussion about climate issues emerges, thereby moving the debate away from implementation of costly and ineffectual “climate control” measures. Instead, ICSC encourages effective planning for, and adaptation to, inevitable natural climate variability, and continuing scientific research into the causes and impacts of climate change.  

ICSC also focuses on publicizing the repercussions of misguided plans to “solve the climate crisis”. This includes, but is not limited to, “carbon” sequestration as well as the dangerous impacts of attempts to replace conventional energy supplies with wind turbines, solar power, most biofuels and other ineffective and expensive energy sources.


For more information about this announcement or ICSC in general, visit http://www.climatescienceinternational.org

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90 Responses to Canada yanks some climate change programs from budget

  1. Alvin says:

    Bravo, some sanity in an insane world.

  2. TomRude says:

    That’s why Globemedia onwed by the green Thomson Reuters group and Tides Canada are now teaming up against the Harper Government as seen by the increase of coverage given to Tides contributors in the Globe and Mail. All initiatives such as LeadNow.ca, OpenMedia.ca, The Tyee, the NotOurBudget.ca protesters who interrupted the budget today that is powered by LeadNow, are all funded by Tides Canada.
    For the past few weeks, in fact since the Gateway pipeline affair and the exposed funding of envrionmental groups by US “charities”, Globemedia has been lining up with Tides astroturfed initiatives.
    Tides and the David Suzuki Foundation are concerned that their charitable status is examined closely and might be revoked in light of their open and/or covert political lobbying that has nothing to do with charity.
    Let’s hope the Canadian government will go further and strip these lobbyists of their favorable tax status that make them obtaining favors on the back of all Canadians!

  3. garymount says:

    Canada might also change to smarter rules for fish habitat:

    “Fisheries and Oceans Minister Keith Ashfield said the existing policies go “well beyond what is required to protect fish and fish habitat.
    “Last year in Saskatchewan, a long-running country jamboree was nearly cancelled after newly flooded fields were deemed fish habitat by fisheries officials,” said Ashfield in response to Donnelly. “In Richelieu, the applications of rules blocked a farmer from draining his flooded field. We are looking at the policies, but there has been no decision made.” ”

    http://www2.canada.com/nanaimodailynews/news/story.html?id=6302730

  4. Andrew30 says:

    “The budget also has tax-code changes that relate to political advocacy that will affect green charities. Currently, a charity can devote 10 per cent of its budget to political causes. That won’t change, but the Canada Revenue Agency will now get new auditing powers to ensure charities are sticking to the 10 per cent.”

    “The government is also eliminating another agency Guilbeault says was a thorn in Ottawa’s side. The National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy, which conducted regular studies on subjects like the possible effects of a warming planet on the Canadian economy and how to deal with reducing greenhouse gases, will be eliminated.”

    “Major resource projects like the Northern Gateway pipeline in British Columbia will complete environmental reviews in less time under new timelines introduced in Thursday’s budget.
    Currently, major resource projects can take as long six years to approve.
    Under the new rules the whole process will take no more than 24 months.
    The speedier assessments are part of the government’s plan to encourage economic growth through resource development.”

    “Environmentalists worry that is code for gutting the environmental assessment process.”
    :-)

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/03/29/federalbudget-flaherty-environment.html
    The Environmentalists, NGOs and socialists in general really hate the Canadian government :-)

  5. JRR Canada says:

    Something good in the budget after all, sadly we still fund CBC and the UN.

  6. Gail Combs says:

    It is so nice to see a sane govenment in action. I hope the politicians in the USA take notice.

  7. Just checked out ICSC at http://www.climatescienceinternational.org; a good site to mark in Favourites. Noted WUWT is listed on the “Must Read Sites” in the left-hand margin. All in caps too.

  8. DaveG says:

    I’m Proud to be a Canadian these days. The Conservatives have warts, blemishes and screw ups but compared to any other government in the world they are the best! for the people of Canada, even our massive leftist population are benefiting (though they squeal like pigs at the trough), the economy is in reasonably good shape and the world is looking at our economic model with envy!
    Thanks to Prim minister Harper!

  9. Bill H says:

    the US needs to follow suit.. to include a lot of funding for the crap science…

  10. Acorn1 - San Diego says:

    We all need to go toward an “ecological footprint” rather than
    the “carbon footprint” we’ve been following. Homo sapiens
    is killing off the other 6,999,999 species too fast. Can’t
    the added CO2 in the atmosphere help? I think so.

  11. Pat says:

    Good. now if those fools in Washington would only admit the game is over.

  12. I can’t resist this opportunity to boast that my riding’s Member of Parliament (Eglinton-Lawrence), whom I’ve had the pleasure to meet and share a sip of single malt with after he spoke at our synagogue, is the Honourable Joe Oliver, Canada’s Minister of Natural Resources. Today he spoke at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute and said that “Canada is facing tremendous opportunity to capitalize on natural resource development and stimulate jobs and growth in a period of global economic uncertainty.” It sure is and we’ve been doing quite well lately too.

    And these here are mild-sounding, deceptively soft words, as expected of a Federal Minister, but they signal a sea change in Canadian policy: “Regulatory modernization is an economic fundamental we have to get right and that means the responsible development of our resources while attracting capital to build up our infrastructure.” “Responsible development” and “regulatory medernization.” I like that. The Greenies, the tax-eaters and seat-warmers don’t and they are panicking, because they don’t mean “sustainable development,” more bureaucratic red tape or calling the UN for advice.

    See, fellow Yanks, Brits and Aussies? It can be done. Dump your own drones and blood-suckers and let’s get moving before things get worse for all of us. There is a light at the end of this tunnel, really.

  13. davidmhoffer says:

    JRR Canada says:
    March 29, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    Something good in the budget after all, sadly we still fund CBC and the UN.>>>

    Conservatives can’t deal with a lot of change all at once. Besides, they’re looking for buyers…

    Andrew30
    Currently, major resource projects can take as long six years to approve.
    Under the new rules the whole process will take no more than 24 months.>>>>

    Yes! Under the Liberals, projects were carefullyt scrutinized for 6 years and then approved anyway. Under the Conservatives, projects will be carefully scrutinized for 2 years and then approved anyway.

  14. Jeff Hagar says:

    After listening to Sun Media, Ezra Levant. Tides Canada should be investigated for infringing into national security and issues within Canada’s sovereignty as a country. There’s a fair bit of interference from outside of our country being exerted into Canadian policy which comes through donations and support from foreign questionable sources.

  15. davidmhoffer says:

    Acorn1 – San Diego says:
    March 29, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    We all need to go toward an “ecological footprint” rather than
    the “carbon footprint” we’ve been following. Homo sapiens
    is killing off the other 6,999,999 species too fast. Can’t
    the added CO2 in the atmosphere help? I think so
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I’ve read your comment several times and cannot decide if you are serious, cleverly saracastic, or just a nut.

  16. Werner Brozek says:

    The Edmonton Journal published a letter by Tom Harris on March 19.

    For the complete letter, see

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/technology/Dangerous+diversions/6322998/story.html

    “We are told that several leading climate scientists have an association with The Heartland Institute, an American free-market think-tank. The inference is that Canadians can-not trust these “skeptics” and their scientific views may be ignored.”

  17. bob says:

    Way to G “Oh Canada”!

  18. Many leftists in Canada. Or so it seems on the surface. When pressed they can be shrill…but at the same time they seem to want to retain the trappings. Funny old world. I’m glad we have a majority government….it means stability, no matter what your stripe.

  19. nc says:

    Hey I like the CBC even though parts are feel good questionable. I don’t care listening to shrill caffine hyped DJ’s all the time on other stations. Go Harper, I don’t agree with everthing you do, but far better than the alternative by a long shot.

  20. Acorn1 - San Diego says:

    DavidMHofer at 906pm..
    I am serious..
    There are some seven million species and we’re but one.
    We are killing them off because we have taken a large percentage
    of the Earth’s land for food.
    CO2 is beneficial to food production. Crops grow 10-60 percent
    faster now than 100 years ago. Its effect on weather, climate, is
    nil….or almost so…forget carbon footprints.
    Homo sapiens are so many, we need to use those large brains to
    control ourselves.
    Thanks for listening…

  21. Allan MacRae says:

    The Harper Conservatives have generally been competent and have avoided the deep, incestuous corruption that characterized the Chretien Liberals (who, btw, signed the odious Kyoto Protocol).

    The Chretien Liberals loved any new large government program like Kyoto, because it enabled them to place a few favorite sons at the top of the new organization and skim large sums back into the pockets of the Liberal Party of Canada and its cronies.

    The great folly of Canada was to sign the Kyoto Protocol; but then we were wise enough to not act on it (generally – Doltan McGuinty’s Ontario being the notable exception).

    Those foolish countries that did take Kyoto seriously are now saddled with useless, costly “green energy” projects like grid-connected wind and solar power that reduce grid reliability and drive up electricity costs.

    __________________________

    In other important budget news, Canadians will have no more shiny new pennies…

    http://www.bdo.ca/library/publications/tax/budgets/2012/Federal-Budget-Report.pdf

    “The government also announced the withdrawal of the penny in order to cut costs, with distribution of the penny to financial institutions to cease in the fall of 2012. The penny will, however, retain its value indefinitely and can continue to be used.”

  22. Allan MacRae says:

    The CBC, aka “Pravda Canada” has always been a Pavlovian supporter of the Very-Scary Global Warming movement.

    Is it not strange that a question of science should be so deeply divided along left-right political lines? The truth is, science left the building long ago, when CAGW became a political mania.

    The CBC is dominated by woefully ignorant leftists, who truly believe that if we all worked for the government then somehow the country would run a lot better.

    One suspects that the one remaining worker in Canada who produced something of value would have to put in quite a bit of overtime to support the rest of us.

    The CBC should simply get out of politics altogether, or be abolished.

  23. Allan MacRae says:

    “… it is encouraging to see essentially no references to the mistaken concept that humanity’s carbon dioxide emissions have a substantial influence on global climate,” said Harris. “This is different to past Budgets where climate change was highlighted as a major factor driving a number of federal initiatives. We encourage the government to now also change the emphasis of their Clean Air Fund and clean energy generation projects to focus solely on the important topic of air quality. Adaptation to climate change is also important, but it is unrelated to clean air so must be treated separately.”

    One of the BIG LIES of the Global Warming Movement has been the attempt by NGO’s and their CAGW government sympathizers to link the 0.04% of colorless, odorless CO2 in the atmosphere with real air pollution – principally NOx, SOx and particulates.

    This is a CAGW tactic that has worked well with technically uninformed people, who form a significant portion of the voting public. It is, however, a bold falsehood – a blatant lie.

  24. Ally E. says:

    This is wonderful stuff. The world really is turning away from the insanity. Yes, yes, I know it will take time yet, but – wow – is it good to see! :)

  25. Scarface says:

    The beginning of the end! And that the rest of the yet still free world may follow quickly.
    But I fear that the EUSSR will be the last to adopt this new approach, since they are planning a trade war now with the USA and China, based on a CO2-scheme, as if there was nothing else to worry about…

    “This mistake has now been corrected and therefore a more productive debate about environmental protection will be possible moving forward.”

    So true. ‘Combatting’ climate change has nothing to do with environmental protection.

  26. Robertvdl says:

    Looks like Australia is also waking up

    Queensland: Green tokenism to be slashed
    QUEENSLAND Premier Campbell Newman has ordered Anna Bligh’s husband to begin dismantling green energy programs he helped create, as the new LNP government moved to slash environmental spending to offset the federal carbon tax.

    http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/03/queensland-green-tokenism-to-be-slashed/

  27. Mr Green Genes says:

    Allan MacRae says:
    March 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Those foolish countries that did take Kyoto seriously are now saddled with useless, costly “green energy” projects like grid-connected wind and solar power that reduce grid reliability and drive up electricity costs.

    You must be talking about the UK! Not only that but we’re now saddled with useless, costly “green energy” politicians like David Cameron, Ed Milliband and Nick Clegg (*) that reduce grid reliability and drive up electricity costs.

    * For those of foreign domicile, these three muppets are the ‘leaders’ of our main political parties.

  28. mrmethane says:

    Thank you, Vivian Krause, for all your hard work, sacrifices and diligence in shining light on the abusers of our national sovereignty.

  29. DirkH says:

    Acorn1 – San Diego says:
    March 29, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    “We all need to go toward an “ecological footprint” rather than
    the “carbon footprint” we’ve been following. Homo sapiens
    is killing off the other 6,999,999 species too fast.”

    You forgot about 20,000,000 species of beetles there. Go get your facts straight before blasting the circular reasoning of Pimentel here.

  30. Allan MacRae says:

    Acorn1 – San Diego says: March 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm…

    Good stuff Acorn. There are real environmental issues, but they are being drowned out by global warming hysteria.

    As I wrote years ago to the head of the Sierra Club of Canada: “After you so-called environmentalists have totally destroyed your credibility with your hysterical false alarmism, who will be left to speak for the environment?”

  31. Tenuk says:

    I wonder what the queen of Canada will have to say about this? Just not good for the ex-colonies to be thinking for themselves. Looking to increase economic growth, rather cripple it with green initiatives, is just the sort of action one must deplore.

    Good news that Canada is starting to stand up as a free republic and not always bowing it’s knee to foreign vested interest.

  32. Robin Hewitt says:

    In a contest between power and patience, bet on patience.

  33. acckkii says:

    Recently, my supervisor gave me very good news. He said that oil has been found in our house back yard that has a capacity of Saudi Arabia. I told him to forget all international and local treaties. Not a major event occurs.
    Source: Alberta yard.

  34. cui bono says:

    First Queensland, now Canada. That gives me two possible places to emigrate when the Greens finally succeed in turning off the last light in the UK.

    PS and O/T: How much is the WWF paying for all the internet ads telling us all to go back to the caves for an hour tomorrow? It must be a blanket ad – it’s even at the top of WUWT!

  35. jmrsudbury says:

    Acorn1 – San Diego (March 29, 2012 at 8:25 pm) should read the
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/04/where-are-the-corpses/ post about species decline. — John M Reynolds

  36. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:

    From Acorn1 – San Diego on March 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm:

    I am serious..
    There are some seven million species and we’re but one.
    We are killing them off because we have taken a large percentage
    of the Earth’s land for food.

    8.7 million actually, if you accept the modeling results.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/aug/23/species-earth-estimate-scientists

    Planet Earth is home to 8.7 million species, scientists estimate

    guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 23 August 2011 17.00 EDT

    Humans share the planet with as many as 8.7 million different forms of life, according to what is being billed as the most accurate estimate yet of life on Earth.

    Researchers who have analysed the hierarchical categorisation of life on Earth to estimate how many undiscovered species exist say the diversity of life is not equally divided between land and ocean. Three-quarters of the 8.7m species – the majority of which are insects – are on land; only one-quarter, 2.2m, are in the deep, even though 70% of the Earth’s surface is water.

    The study, which is published in the journal PLoS Biology, underlines just how little humans know about what is out there – and which plants and animals will become extinct before scientists can even record their existence.

    “Scientists have been working on this question of how many species for so many years,” said Dr Camilo Mora of the University of Hawaii and Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

    The quest was growing increasingly urgent. “We know we are losing species because of human activity, but we can’t really appreciate the magnitude of species lost until we know what species are there,” he said.

    An astonishing 86% of all plants and animals on land and 91% of those in the seas have yet to be named and catalogued, the study said.

    The authors drew on the taxonomy, or categorisation system, devised by Carl Linnaeus about 250 years ago to arrive at their estimate of 8.7m – give or take 1.3m.

    The authors, in their analysis of existing data on 1.2m species, detected patterns between those hierarchical groupings which they could use to infer the existence of missing species that scientists have not yet described. That allowed them to use data from higher orders – such as anthropods, where there is a lot of data – to predict the number of creatures at the species level. Their estimate that the various forms of life on the planet included 7.8m species of animal, 298,000 species of plant and 611,000 species of mushrooms, mould and other fungi along with 36,400 species of protozoa, single-celled organisms, and 27,500 species of algae or chromists. The researchers did not venture to put an estimate on the number of bacteria.

    You get how that worked? ‘We can tell by the gaps that there must be a soft-bodied cricket with easily-seen yellow spots, nonpoisonous and edible, that lives in a rainforest surrounded by natural predators. The gap is there, that species must exist. We can’t think of why it wouldn’t exist. If we can’t find it, then human interference must have killed it off before we could identify it.’

    BTW, you have invoked Loehle and Eschenbach 2011, which examined real data. Abstract:

    We examined historical extinction rates for birds and mammals and contrasted island and continental extinctions. Australia was included as an island because of its isolation. Only six continental birds and three continental mammals were recorded in standard databases as going extinct since 1500 compared to 123 bird species and 58 mammal species on islands. Of the extinctions, 95% were on islands. On a per unit area basis, the extinction rate on islands was 177 times higher for mammals and 187 times higher for birds than on continents. The continental mammal extinction rate was between 0.89 and 7.4 times the background rate, whereas the island mammal extinction rate was between 82 and 702 times background. The continental bird extinction rate was between 0.69 and 5.9 times the background rate, whereas for islands it was between 98 and 844 times the background rate. Undocumented prehistoric extinctions, particularly on islands, amplify these trends. Island extinction rates are much higher than continental rates largely because of introductions of alien predators (including man) and diseases. Our analysis suggests that conservation strategies for birds and mammals on continents should not be based on island extinction rates and that on islands the key factor to enhance conservation is to alleviate pressures from uncontrolled hunting and predation.

    See the originating long WUWT article from 2010 by Willis Eschenbach, Where Are The Corpses? Species are lost overwhelmingly by introduction of foreign species, including man, thus isolated island ecologies are hit hardest, with the majority of losses from predation, competition, and diseases including parasites that the foreign species bring with them. Habitat loss, including changing land to farming, is pretty far down the list.

    Get some real knowledge about the real reasons for real extinctions of real species, and hopefully you’ll shed the worrying about imaginary losses of imaginary species due to a possibly-real reason that’s been overblown and over-blamed to the limits of an alarmist’s fevered imagination.

  37. Niilo Kärki says:

    CANADA could You please export some of that sanity to EU too.

    URGENTLY NEEDED !

  38. Peter Miller says:

    The stark contrast between the current climate lunacy in Australia and Canada’s sensible measured approach could not be more obvious.

  39. matt v. says:

    Unfortunately , Environment Canada has dropped the ball on providing Canadians with timley analysis of past climate in Canada , both nationally and regionally . The last PAST BULLETIN on Canadian climate was for the spring of 2011. These reports used to come out quartelywithin a few months after the season ended .An annual summary was produced at the end of the four seasons . The kind of essential climate reports and analysis that one gets in the US produeced by NCDC [CLIMATE AT A GLANCE] are not available in Canada currently and have not been available for a year now.

  40. polski says:

    JRR Canada says:
    March 29, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    Something good in the budget after all, sadly we still fund CBC and the UN.>>>
    —————————————————————————————-

    CBC funding cut 10%—Nice

  41. Ron says:

    The CBC should retire the entire news and sportscasting department and stop competing with the private sector using tax dollars from the private sector. They should also punt David Suzuki.

  42. CodeTech says:

    Tenuk, there is no “Queen of Canada”, we have a Prime Minister and elected Members of Parliament… we’re actually independent now. Although we do put Queen Elizabeth II’s picture on our currency still, but she’s a pretty good looking queen so it’s ok. Besides, it’s her idiot son that’s going on about AGW. God, please GOD save the Queen so Charles is never king….

  43. jim b says:

    the big problem for the uk is that we have a right wing government who have declared that they intend to be the greenest government ever. climate change lies might be a leftist issue elsewhere but here there is no option on the ballot paper that isn’t green. left right or center they all want to sell us to the devil for their thirty pieces of silver

  44. Jim Cripwell says:

    I think we must be careful not to overestimate what the Canadian government thinks about CAGW. I believe that the majority of Canadians think it is real, and feel out government should have implemented the Kyoto Accord. The analogy of the elephant and the mouse between the USA and Canada is very valid. Had the USA implemented Kyoto, Canada would have followed. We just know we cannot afford to commit economic suicide unless our neighbour to the south does the same thing.

    The fact of the matter is that no Canadian politician, so far as I am aware, has come out and stated publicly that CAGW is wrong. We are very like Dr. Judith Curry. I am not sure how many people have read what one, cwon14, writes about Judith. He is harshly critical that she will not declare CAGW is wrong; she almost will, but not quite. That is where things stand in Canada. Our politicians are mindful of the fact that the majority of Canadians support action on CAGW, but they know we cannot afford to do anything about it, unless the USA does so as well.

    So, I suggest people dont get too rosey a picture of how ungreen our Conservative government actually is.

  45. acckkii says:

    Mr Green Genes says:
    March 30, 2012 at 12:37 am
    _______________________________
    The West costly lifestyle for large parts of Russia, Central Asia, India, China, Brazil, South Africa and other developing countries is neither advisable nor possible, this is unassailable.
    A large part of the world are deprived of having even a mouse lights. Sustainability of fossil resources, even in current conditions of distribution and utilization, is extremely worrying.
    Unfortunately, man does not learn from the history. If today we’re faced with a sudden increase in oil prices, what really happens? Our figures are spectacular. It happened in 1967. It happened in 1979. Today oil prices are beyond $ 110 a barrel.
    If in the past, oil prices started from less than one dollar a barrel and rose today to $ 110 a barrel, then $ 500 a barrel is also possible.
    It will happen.
    If, Chinese dragon shake its tail, and the Hindi elephant moves its trunk, in this case an eight-magnitude earthquake will shake the energy prices. Look at around you please, Made In China, Made in India.

  46. ElBobbo says:

    @Jim Cripwell
    You are right that Canada would implement the same environmental restrictions that the US implements but it woudl be for trade reasons, not becuase the government believes any th climastrolgy which has caused most of the rest of the world to go commit financial suicide. As the US is Canada’s largest trading partner by far we cannot operate under different rules. However, environmentally the Conservative government of Canada is much different than the opposition parties which are all left of centre and some far left. Don’t forget that PM Harper said Kyoto was blatant scheme to redistribute the wealth of western nations (later admitted by some high IPCC official) and that Canada has withdrawn from Kyoto. I am very proud to be a Canadian is a world that is going increasingly insane.

  47. Allan MacRae says:

    Mr. Green Genes says: March 30, 2012 at 12:37 am
    Allan MacRae says: March 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Allan: “Those foolish countries that did take Kyoto seriously are now saddled with useless, costly “green energy” projects like grid-connected wind and solar power that reduce grid reliability and drive up electricity costs.”
    _____________

    Mr. Genes: “You must be talking about the UK! Not only that but we’re now saddled with useless, costly “green energy” politicians like David Cameron, Ed Milliband and Nick Clegg (*) that reduce grid reliability and drive up electricity costs.”
    _____________

    Yes Mr. Genes, but not just in the UK (* and let’s not forget Tony Blair); also most of Western Europe, Ontario in Canada and a few states in the USA have managed to “californicate” their electrical grid and electricity consumers by forcing worthless, costly wind and solar power into the grid. Add to this cost the needless bird and bat kill – the Altamont wind farm in California probably gets the prize for shredding the most rare and endangered species – many Golden Eagles and the occasional California Condor.

    In North America, our greatest folly has been corn ethanol. Now, almost 40% of the huge US crop is used for corn ethanol – about 130 million tonnes per year of corn goes into our gas tanks, forced into gasoline by government mandates. This folly has driven up the cost of food worldwide, at great cost to the world’s poor. The by-product, protein-rich distillers corn, is used primarily for cattle feed, resulting in cheap subsidized steaks and burgers.

    Grid-connected wind power, solar power and corn ethanol all require huge life-of-project subsidies to survive, and would go bankrupt the minute these subsidies cease. Many of the subsidies are in the form of mandates – forcing power companies and gasoline suppliers to include these costly and counterproductive enviro-schemes in their products, at great expense to consumers.

    The radical environmentalists have been remarkably effective at forcing really foolish, costly and counterproductive schemes upon Western society. The backlash, when it comes, won’t be pretty.

    When you hear the term “green energy”, it’s not about greening the environment – it’s all about the money.

  48. Allan MacRae says:

    CodeTech says: March 30, 2012 at 6:02 am
    “Tenuk, there is no “Queen of Canada”…”

    In truth Code, Canada is a constitutional monarchy, and Elizabeth II is our Queen.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada

    Not to be confused with Freddy Mercury…

  49. matt v. says:

    Jim Cripwell

    I very much doubt that the majority of Canadians still think that global warming is real and mostly caused by emissions from vehicles and industrial facilities .The last Angus Reid public poll dated September 9,2011 indicated that only 52% think it is real . This was down from 60% in October 2010. Seeing that another six months have passed , I would not be surprised if the % is now below 50% . I agree that there may be pockets or regions in Canada where the % may be over the 50% figure [ mostly NDP/LIBERAL dominated areas[ like Quebec and Maritimes ].
    In the same survey the US was at 49% and UK at 43%. It has been my observation , that once the people get the true facts about what causes our global climate and are made aware of the significant uncertainties that still exist and see the cost vs benefit figures for the proposed anti global waming measures and then begin to pay higher environmental/ energy taxes and pay for
    the heavy subsidies to support the green technologies while they loose their jobs , they begin to question the the whole science and its questionable econmics

  50. Andrew30 says:

    Jim Cripwell says: March 30, 2012 at 6:08 am
    [The fact of the matter is that no Canadian politician, so far as I am aware, has come out and stated publicly that CAGW is wrong.]

    Do these type of statements qualify as taking a position on CAGW?

    “Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.”
    “Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.”
    “Carbon dioxide which is a naturally occurring gas vital to the life cycles of this planet”
    “This may be a lot of fun for a few scientific and environmental elites in Ottawa, but ordinary Canadians from coast to coast will not put up with what this will do to their economy and lifestyle”
    “We can debate whether or not… CO₂ does or does not contribute to global warming. I think the jury is out.”
    “My party’s position on the Kyoto Protocol is clear and has been for a long time. We will oppose ratification of the Kyoto Protocol and its targets. We will work with the provinces and others to discourage the implementation of those targets. And we will rescind the targets when we have the opportunity to do so”

    “As economic policy, the Kyoto Accord is a disaster. As environmental policy it is a fraud”

    Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada.

  51. greg holmes says:

    You have to admire the Canadians, such nuggets os wisdom in an insane world.

  52. Werner Brozek says:

    Tenuk says:
    March 30, 2012 at 1:01 am

    I wonder what the queen of Canada will have to say about this?

    I do not know the queen’s thoughts on this, but her husband has strong negative views on wind farms. See

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-philip/8901985/Wind-farms-are-useless-says-Prince-Philip.html

    “He said they were absolutely useless, completely reliant on subsidies and an absolute disgrace,” said Mr Wilmar. “I was surprised by his very frank views.”

    Mr Wilmar said his attempts to argue that onshore wind farms were one of the most cost-effective forms of renewable energy received a fierce response from the Duke.”

  53. RobRoy says:

    I surely hope this wisdom flows south. Dr Tim Ball – You the Man!

  54. Gary Pearse says:

    Jim Cripwell says:
    March 30, 2012 at 6:08 am
    “I think we must be careful not to overestimate what the Canadian government thinks about CAGW. I believe that the majority of Canadians think it is real, and feel out government should have implemented the Kyoto Accord. The analogy of the elephant and the mouse between the USA and Canada is very valid. Had the USA implemented Kyoto, Canada would have followed. We just know we cannot afford to commit economic suicide unless our neighbour to the south does the same thing.”

    Jim get the facts. We DID sign the Kyoto agreement (the liberals did). Harper (conservative) was one of the first to refuse to sign an extension of it that was proposed in Durban S.Afr. I’m apalled that the “scientific debate” would be along party lines. E=mc^2 seemed to not cause such alignments (Oh didn’t the USSR ban Einstein’s publications?)

  55. Pamela Gray says:

    Yes. Large human watermelons are always trying to help wildlife. In 1912 a large shipment of elk was delivered to Wallowa County to re-build the nearly absent population there. Thankfully, they also placed a bounty on wolf pellets after they had not only decimated the elk population, but were eating up cattle. In 2012 there is an all-out effort to build wolf pack numbers. Favorite food? Elk and cattle.

    It goes on. A few decades ago, free sheep and goat grazing on BLM land was outlawed, as they were deemed too destructive on grass and woody plants. Now they pay farmers to graze on BLM land to control grass and woody plants, especially invasive ones, and to keep the forest floor reasonably cleaned of fire fuel. Wasn’t the herder’s fault after all. My bad.

    Decades ago, loggers were blamed for the decreasing spotted owl population and were disallowed from logging old growth. Today, there is a plan afoot to kill barred owls. They apparently are bullies and must be terminated so that the spotted owl can thrive. You loggers apparently, were not to blame. My bad.

    Decades ago, Wallowa County irrigation ditches and canals were open all year round and fishable. We used to flip salmon, steelhead, and trout out of the field ditches with a shovel. In the 60’s and 70’s fish populations started to decline. Then someone decided that fish don’t belong in fields so they made us gate and fish screen all the ditches and control when we can use the ditches. The criss-crossed ditches and canals dried up and of course the fish were barred from favorite spawning grounds. The fish continued to decline in numbers, even though every effort was made to keep the water corralled in the fast running two branches of the single river that courses through the Wallowa Valley. With all controls still in place, last year we had a record return of salmon into the far reaches of the head waters. Why? Ocean conditions. Oops, we did it again. Wasn’t the farmer’s fault after all. My bad.

    Yes. By all means, let’s try to manage wildlife. We have such a good record.

  56. Jim Cripwell says:

    Andrew30 quotes our Prime Minister as follows

    “We can debate whether or not… CO₂ does or does not contribute to global warming. I think the jury is out.”

    When a Canadian politician makes the statement that adding CO2 to the atmosphere from current levels has no discernable effect on climate, then I think we will be starting on the right path. There are, I believe, a small minority of Canadians who believe,.as I do, that adding CO2 has a negligible effect. Previously I expressed my ideas very badly in talking about Canadians who believe CO2 causes CAGW. It is not yet a vote getter for politicians to take the point of view that CO2 has a negiligible effect. Hopefully one day some courageous politician will make the statement. We can only hope.

  57. Gary Pearse says:

    Pamela Gray says:
    March 30, 2012 at 8:56 am
    “Yes. Large human watermelons are always trying to help wildlife. In 1912 a large shipment of elk was delivered to Wallowa County to re-build the nearly absent population there. Thankfully, they also placed a bounty on wolf pellets after they had not only decimated the elk population, but were eating up cattle. In 2012 there is an all-out effort to build wolf pack numbers. Favorite food? Elk and cattle.”

    Elk to N.Z. ate the trees that weren’t evolved with browsing in mind. Rabbits to Australia and N.Z. A plan to bring in mountain lions to eat the elk and rabbits in a land with 50 million juicy sheep was fortunately quashed.

  58. beesaman says:

    Hurray, now let’s rest more of the environment and its funding back from the lunatic acolytes of AGW!

  59. TRM says:

    ” DaveG says: March 29, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    – The Conservatives have warts, blemishes and screw ups.
    – the economy is in reasonably good shape and the world is looking at our economic model with envy! ”

    All governments are susceptible to corruption and they are no different. The fact that they were a minority for what 6-7 years helped keep them honest. Now that they have a majority we’ll see how long they can stay honest.

    Now if only they would follow Canada’s banking model. A central bank (Bank of Canada) but all profits from it go to the finance minister not private owners. Eliminates a lot of conflicts of interest.

  60. TomB says:

    DaveG says:
    March 29, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    I’m Proud to be a Canadian these days. …. the economy is in reasonably good shape and the world is looking at our economic model with envy!

    And that’s the take-away from all this. It IS possible to inject fiscal sanity into a modern Western country’s budget – and it works.

  61. acckkii says:

    I recently traveled to India, I took an interesting topic. I saw a small stall in the street, which was next to a hut. Stall and the hut apparently belonged to one guy. I saw a solar panel with a lamp too. The light was relatively weak. I asked him whether it is the electricity. “… Smile … It is enough…. to indicate his consent.” , Said the tradesman. I was surprised that how do they provide the small panels. I told myself from wherever their transistor radios…
    As I was passing, I saw the height and half height Solar panels, the situation was similar.
    In another neighborhood, I saw plenty of electric aerial wires, no power cord was not clear which one is mine!
    There are people living in the world whose monthly income is about $ 2, less than the price of a one liter of gasoline in EU.
    If you and I are talking about solar energy, and we know it as a very expensive energy, we should know that there are places in the world with no access to any facilities, and the people consider this power as God-given energy.
    Canada is not selfish, Canada and the Canadian would like to let the people live with their own habits and their own cultures and their own possibilities.
    So try to make more efficient panels, there are people living in the other side of this world who are waiting for your help.
    If your demand is in the same amount of electricity, why not take your time, use better panels.

  62. Gail Combs says:

    Jeff Hagar says:
    March 29, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    After listening to Sun Media, Ezra Levant. Tides Canada should be investigated for infringing into national security and issues within Canada’s sovereignty as a country. There’s a fair bit of interference from outside of our country being exerted into Canadian policy which comes through donations and support from foreign questionable sources.
    ________________________________________
    That goes for ALL countries. It was the main reason for UN directed NGOs. It is a method for furthering “Global Governance” via environmental activism and interfering with National Sovereignty.

    Maure Strong’s early work with YMCA international “…may have been the genesis of Strong’s realization that NGOs (non-government organizations) provide an excellent way to use NGOs to couple the money from philanthropists and business with the objectives of government.”

    …Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues,” notes Peter Spiro. “Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots.” The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations…. http://www.afn.org/~govern/strong.html

    Original quote ~ Hofstra University law professor Peter Spiro http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_tavistock04b.htm

    Here is an old example I dug out from a text file dated June 2010

    House Concurrent Resolution 25
    “The official title of the resolution [H. Con. Res. 25] as introduced is: “Expressing the sense of Congress that it is the goal of the United States that, not later than January 1, 2025, the agricultural, forestry, and working land of the United States should provide from renewable resources not less than 25 percent of the total energy consumed in the United States and continue to produce safe, abundant, and affordable food, feed, and fiber.”

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hconres25

    It is supposedly driven by 25×25 America’s Energy Future This Web site states:

    “25x’25 is a grassroots-led and -supported Renewable energy initiative. Across the country, farmers, ranchers, forest land owners and other leaders in the community are coming together in state-level alliances to explore how the 25x’25 vision can help accomplish state energy,”

    http://www.25×25.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=51

    Actually it was United Nations Astroturf

    “The 25x’25 Initiative is sponsored by the Energy Future Coalition, a project of the UN Foundation

    The above was a direct quote found at the following websites.

    http://www.25×25.org/

    http://www.unfoundation.org/features/25×25.asp

    http://www.un.org/documents/gACa/conf166/ngo/950307140407.htm

    However they figured out that was a big OOPS so now of course we get “404 Page Not Found for those links. The updated message is:

    The Energy Future Coalition is working with the United Nations Foundation and United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to extend energy’s reach in order to combat endemic poverty. This initiative will call for private sector and national commitments and attract global attention to the importance of energy for development and poverty alleviation. The goal is to meet three objectives by 2030:

    Ensuring universal access to modern energy services.
    Doubling the rate of improvement in energy efficiency.
    Doubling the share of renewable energy in the global energy mix.

    In recognition of the importance of energy access for sustainable economic development and supporting achievement of the Millennium Development Goals, the United Nations General Assembly has designated 2012 as the International Year of Sustainable Energy for All…. http://www.energyfuturecoalition.org/what-were-doing

    A really great example of how history has been rewritten to support the illusion all this is “Grass roots” driven and not Astroturf.

  63. Charlie H says:

    Everyone wants clean air and water. Linking that with “global warming” was done on purpose to further an agenda. Re-introducing some sanity and delinking these two disimilar items is a good thing.

  64. Gail Combs says:

    Allan MacRae says:
    March 30, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Acorn1 – San Diego says: March 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm…

    Good stuff Acorn. There are real environmental issues, but they are being drowned out by global warming hysteria.

    As I wrote years ago to the head of the Sierra Club of Canada: “After you so-called environmentalists have totally destroyed your credibility with your hysterical false alarmism, who will be left to speak for the environment?”
    _______________________________________
    Agreed. The farmers I have corresponded with are furious that “Sustainability” has been stolen and smeared just like environment has and science has.

    Anything politics touches it pollutes.

    Walter Jeffries summed it up quite nicely.

    December 19, 2010 Sustainability
    First they came for “organic” and told us we may not use the word to describe our food raised free of herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics and such. If we wanted to continue describing what we had traditionally done we must get government approval, pay their fees and jump through their hoops of paperwork. The regulators chortled in glee and Big Ag took over “Organic”.

    Then they came for “naturally raised” and told us we may not use the phrase to describe our livestock raised free of herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics, hormones and such. If we wanted to continue describing what we had traditionally done we must get government approval, pay their fees and jump through their hoops of paperwork. The regulators chortled in glee and Big Ag took over “Organic”. “naturally raised”

    Now they are coming for the word “Sustainable” too. Before you know it the government will have taken over the entire dictionary. http://nonais.org/2010/12/19/sustainability/

  65. Brian H says:

    Acorn1 – San Diego says:
    March 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    There are some seven million species and we’re but one.
    We are killing them off …

    To para-quote Willis, “Where are the bodies?” The extinctions occur within models based on little island ecosystems extrapolated to continents. But real documented extinctions always fall short of the total of discovered species plus rediscovered ones being removed from the grave.

    So we’re doing no such thing.

  66. Brian H says:

    ACCKKK warning. There is another incompetent thread-jack attempt by the garbled-grammar bolloxed-logic one. Scroll-by costs you nothing, believe me.

  67. Brian H says:

    As a Canadian, I am deeply thankful for moderate mercies. Much further to go, but the Trend is promising.

    The prospect of Suzuki and Tides foundations being charged with Charity Fraud is delightful, of course!

  68. Gail Combs says:

    Pamela Gray says:
    March 30, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Yes. Large human watermelons are always trying to help wildlife. In 1912 a large shipment of elk was delivered to Wallowa County to re-build the nearly absent population there. Thankfully, they also placed a bounty on wolf pellets after they had not only decimated the elk population, but were eating up cattle. In 2012 there is an all-out effort to build wolf pack numbers. Favorite food? Elk and cattle….
    _____________________________________
    Yes and no one mentions the tuberculosis and brucellosis spreading to the USA from the Canadian Elk and deer herds….
    Some where in my collection of data I have the links….

    TB in Canada
    In addition to these established sites of wildlife tuberculosis, new areas afflicted with the disease continue to emerge. A potential reservoir of M. bovis in elk (Cervus elaphus) in Riding Mountain National Park, Manitoba, Canada, has recently been identified. A small number of cases of bovine tuberculosis have occurred sporadically in cattle herds occupying land adjacent to the park since 1991, and a bull elk was confirmed positive nearby in 1992. A comprehensive wildlife health monitoring survey in the vicinity of this case between 1997 and 2000 has identified a further four free- ranging infected animals out of the 420 elk sampled.
    http://www.oie.int/eng/publicat/rt/2102/DE%20LISLE.pdf

    Prior to 1994, only eight wild white-tailed or mule deer had been reported with bovine TB in North America To date, 397 deer and two elk were confirmed with disease in a five county area of Michigan To assess the extent of bovine TB in the wild deer and elk populations of Michigan, 88,373 wild animals were examined from 1995 to 2002. To date, 397 deer and two elk were confirmed with disease in a five county area of Michigan6. In addition, 16,500 privately owned cervid herds have been tested and are under herd surveillance plans. One captive cervid (deer) herd has also tested positive in 1997 and was depopulated. Since bovine TB can be transmitted by consuming improperly or uncooked meat it has also been seen in carnivores that may have consumed infected deer. In 2001, two coyotes, two bobcats, and three bear tested positive for TB bringing the total number of carnivores affected by the outbreak to 30.The identification of bovine TB in Michigan has had staggering implications for the cattle industry. Since 1995, 760,000 cattle, bison, and goats in Michigan have been TB tested. To date, 19 cattle herds have been diagnosed with bovine TB. In April, 2002 the Michigan Department of Community Health announced that a human case of bovine TB had been identified in an elderly individual. The source of the infection is under investigation. This illustrates that although transmission from animals to people is rare (thanks to pasteurization), the potential still exists. An aggressive management strategy has been implemented in Michigan that includes continued surveillance of wild populations, livestock testing, elimination of supplemental feeding of deer, reducing the deer density in the TB control area, and educating the public…
    cetulare.ucdavis.edu/newsletterfiles/Beef_Round_Up3482.pdf

  69. Alan Davidson says:

    Best decision I ever made was in the 1980s to emigrate from UK to Canada. I’m so glad I don’t have to suffer the UK governments absolutely crazy devotion to green policies and belief that 0.04% of the atmosphere causes global warming. Our conservative majority federal government here is taking very sensible decisions on energy pollution and climate matters. I only wish people in Ontario would realize that the provincial Liberal government is driving Ontario into oblivion with it’s insane green energy policies, and they kick them out as soon as possible.

  70. gofigure560 says:

    Ah Canada. I am considering moving there from the US, but afraid – even at my advanced age – that the oncoming ice age might force everyone to move south !

  71. Gail Combs says:

    Gary Pearse says:
    March 30, 2012 at 9:10 am

    ….Elk to N.Z. ate the trees that weren’t evolved with browsing in mind. Rabbits to Australia and N.Z. A plan to bring in mountain lions to eat the elk and rabbits in a land with 50 million juicy sheep was fortunately quashed.
    ____________________________
    Unfortunately that idiocy was not quashed here in the USA. In my neck of the woods (North Carolina) they have turned loose, coyote, red wolf and though they try to cover it up, near-black melanistic Jaguar/ Panther. A couple of good old boys caught a release truck up in the mountains and people I know including my husband have sighted “Large Black Mountain Lions.” Release of melanistic Jaguars makes it easy for the official stance to be “Your seeing things” To quote “It is most likely that folks are seeing a black bear or a bobcat…. Sorry a bear and a bobcat just does not have the long low slung tail, prominent shoulder blades and low head carriage of a panther/jaguar and that is what my husband caught in his bright lights. Also a bobcat does not stretch across most of the road. Bobcats are only about twice the size of a full grown domestic house cat.

    Florida Panther: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/uw176
    Arizona Jaguar: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Return_of_the_Jaguar.html?c=y&page=2
    Red Wolves in North Carolina: http://www.fws.gov/nc-es/mammal/redwolf.html

    coyote release in North Carolina http://ncpedia.org/wildlife/coyote
    ….Until the 1980s, coyotes seen in North Carolina were due to illegal importation and release by individuals for sport hunting and other reasons….

    And what do we have??? The Rewilding Institudes Carnivore Conservation Program… http://www.rewilding.org/carnivoreconservation.html

  72. CodeTech says:

    Allan MacRae, yes I am aware of the “official” structure of our government, however in practical real terms the Queen does not actually have input on us. The vast majority of Canadians know nothing about “our Queen” and couldn’t care much less about her than they do.

    In reality, Prime Minister Harper has to walk a thin line between left and right, for the simple fact that Canada has been steered so far left over the last few decades that even the obvious fact that the CPC has been doing a great job the last few years won’t sway them. If he was to come right out and state the obvious, as PM, the media would have a field day with their manufactured scandals, AND the chances of re-election would be shot down the drain.

    Personally I’m extremely impressed with the man. The revolution has been quiet and calm, even the raving leftists I know (yes, we all know some) are not actively angered by the Harper government. They grudgingly admit “he could be worse”. Now that they see he’s not banning abortion, criminalizing gay marriage, and whatever other scare stories the left’s media hounds were pushing, it becomes business as usual and the CPC quietly dismantles much of the damage done by Trudeau, Chretien, and our own version of Prince Charles: Paul Martin.

    Speaking of Freddy Mercury (GRHS), it makes little sense in today’s world to have a flamboyant “leader”. Presidents and Prime Ministers are elected to do a job, to manage and steer policy, not to be colorful showmen, not to “front the band”, not to cry when their ridiculously young wife runs off with the Rolling Stones. Not to become the international poster-boy for idiocy (Chretien), or the psychological definition of entitlement and inbreeding (Martin). Just… do the job.

    (PS… for non-Canadians: Prime Minister Harper is a Calgarian… his rise to power was via the Reform Party, which was formed in response to Western Alienation and the actual sentiment in Alberta that separating from Canada might be a good thing, even though officially everyone pretended otherwise.)

  73. acckkii says:

    Brian H says:
    March 30, 2012 at 11:08 am
    ____________________________
    I like to laugh a little together with you.
    A canoe! race next Sunday … agree?
    Your boat is too small.
    I have a solution for you.
    Why are you so upset when I’m quiet? You write short stories, among other subjects, believe me Brian, how can I find you. Everyone who writes less makes fewer mistakes. I did not see any where you write something! Just some short questions; be sure you’re still my best friend here. Don’t worry at all. If I made you upset, then sorry about it. Friendship is always preferred. Elders intent on conquest, but I’m wondering what you’re looking for. Here is a small society.
    It would be a pity, if anyone to be disturbed at any reason. I know ٌWillis, Gail Comb, California, Smokey, Sparks, Garrett, Pet, Terry, Aspect, Jacobson, Rockwood, many more and YOU! More virtuous and pious people, all well respected, all excellent jobs. You’re among the first people I met. You were not too bad! Brian!! Just kidding.
    So I see, you’re still young and possibly you like to challenge to gain more experience. I don’t know. If I’m wrong then please accept my apology. But I recommend you do not plan on it, you will not get anything in the future, nothing. Just be a scientist if so you don’t lose anything. I want to bring a present for you my good friend in return from my trip just to tell you how your friendship is important for me, this is the least that I should do. What do you like? I’m with my friends, very simple and not complicated at all. Relax.
    Ohh!, I forgot it, could you please give me my this time score for writing. The important matter is that I dare to write, I never stop writing I don’t scare. I like to make mistakes very much. But believe me now I tried to be better. Think about living Brian not dying. Thank you.
    Please accept my warm regards.
    Buon giorno e Cordiali saluti

  74. DennisA says:

    Another classic diversion, like “pulling out of Kyoto”: Behind the scenes the climate game is ongoing: Dec 2011 – Environment Canada – Minister Kent Announces International Climate Funding: http://tinyurl.com/7r2pgnc

    “Canada’s contribution is for three years. An initial contribution of $400 million is already starting to produce results and today, the Government is announcing further investments of almost $600 million for 2011-2012 and 2012-2013.”

    “As part of our commitment to provide our fair share of fast-start financing, Canada is contributing $1.2 billion in new and additional climate change financing for the fiscal years 2010/11, 2011/12 and 2012/2013. This is Canada’s largest ever contribution to support international efforts to address climate change. It is focused on three priority areas – adaptation, clean energy, and forests and agriculture.”

  75. Allan MacRae says:

    Canada: The Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources – March 27, 2012 Meeting with Physicist Dr. Richard Peltier and Climate Modeler Dr. Andrew Weaver

    I have asked certain climate scientists to comment on the presentations by Dr. Peltier and Dr. Weaver to this Senate Committee. Sorry, no slides now; these may be available later.

    I would also be interested in the views of WUWT participants – thank you

    I will allow myself one comment – both presenters seem to be saying “this is very complicated science, so you must trust me – I don’t, and I think I understand some of the science pretty well.

    http://senparlvu.parl.gc.ca/Guide.aspx?viewmode=4&categoryid=-1&eventid=8110&Language=E#

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/7n92g4d

  76. Robert of Ottawa says:

    Only in Canada eh? Pity.

  77. davidmhoffer says:

    Acorn1 – San Diego says:
    March 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm
    DavidMHofer at 906pm..
    I am serious..
    There are some seven million species and we’re but one.
    We are killing them off because we have taken a large percentage
    of the Earth’s land for food.>>>>

    As others have pointed out, the number of species we are “killing off” is rather exagerated. But at day’s end Acorn, we must choose. Food and survival of our species, or no food. You see, that’s the part of the equation that seems to get lost in the arm waving scary we’re driving other species to extinction mantra. That food feeds people.

    If you feel comfortable sentencing billions to death from starvation to save some number of species, then that’s your opinion to have, disgusting as it may be. Don’t start with the controlling our own population mantra either. The truth is that the first world IS controlling itz own population. Allow the 3rd world easy access to energy resources combined with toppling of their corrupt governments, and the ensuing increase in standard of living will accomplish the goals that you seekl all by itself.

    Force feed reductions in population or food production upon the human race and you would not only fail, but your name would go down in history in the same category as some very distasteful people.

  78. g2-b369c06850afa63886091a1f0601abd5 says:

    Mervyn: Campbell’s move re Greg Withers is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen in politics.

  79. g2-b369c06850afa63886091a1f0601abd5 says:

    How many times do I have to change the name in my WordPress account before it finally STAYS changed?

  80. g2-b369c06850afa63886091a1f0601abd5 says:

    ARRRRGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

  81. EO Peter says:

    @ CodeTech:
    FYI the Queen is the supreme commander of the army. Every MIL recruit make an oath of allegiance to her majesty AFAIK. In my book, the one in control of the army is the real boss…

    However, me think that Harper is a very clever naughty boy, the Queen’s health is declining, prince Charles is not very popular, and Harper is aligning Canada’s economy and legal framework w/t USA… Go ahead, connect the dots.

  82. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:

    g2-b369c06850afa63886091a1f0601abd5 said on March 30, 2012 at 8:30 pm:

    How many times do I have to change the name in my WordPress account before it finally STAYS changed?

    Must be your own fault. After the dash is a hexadecimal number, the digits run 0-9 and A-F. The wordpress software sees the “g2″ and chokes on the math, since g2 would have to be a variable. Once you define g2, everything will be fine.

    Or you could just find the wordpress “log out” on a WUWT page and feed it a different valid email address than the one for your wordpress account, and use whatever name you want. I’d recommend trying that first.

  83. Allan MacRae says:

    Emailed 20Mar2012

    Note: D. V. Hoyt has kindly provided editorial review of this correspondence.

    Open Letter to the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources – Canada

    “I am always happy to be in the minority. Concerning the climate models, I know enough of the details to be sure that they are unreliable. They are full of fudge factors that are fitted to the existing climate, so the models more or less agree with the observed data. But there is no reason to believe that the same fudge factors would give the right behavior in a world with different chemistry, for example in a world with increased CO2 in the atmosphere.” – Freeman Dyson

    Dear Mr. Prime Minister and Honourable Senators;

    One of the methods used by global warming advocates to try to bolster their weak scientific case is to “fudge” their climate computer models by using aerosols* to help “hindcast” past climate, particularly the global cooling that occurred circa 1940 to 1975, the same time that world-wide combustion of fossil fuels greatly accelerated. The big problem for the global warming advocates is that they had to FABRICATE their aerosol data to fudge their models – they literally “made it up from thin air”.

    If they had used actual aerosol data, as available from D. V. Hoyt and others (see correspondence below), their history-matched models would show a much lower “climate sensitivity“ to atmospheric CO2, and their scary global warming story would dissipate, and would closely resemble the climate skeptics’ position. Climate modeled “feedbacks” to increased atmospheric CO2 would be zero or more likely negative (rather than strongly positive as incorrectly assumed in their models), and there would be NO catastrophic manmade global warming crisis.

    Please also note that their computer-modeled projections of scary global warming are NOT consistent with current temperature measurements. According to the most reliable satellite data, there had been NO net global warming for the past decade. The lack of global warming this decade further supports the climate skeptics’ position.

    * Definition: An aerosol is a colloid suspension of solid particles or liquid droplets in a gas. Examples are clouds, and air pollution such as smog and smoke.

    Questions the Senate Committee should ask Climate Scientists:

    What is the source of the aerosol data that is used to “hindcast” climate computer models so that they better reflect the global cooling that occurred from about 1940 to 1975?

    Please comment on the following, with your supporting documentation:

    a. It is stated that this aerosol data was fabricated – literally “made up from thin air”, in order to purport that these climate models can accurately model the past (and therefore the future), when in fact they do not.

    Solar physicist and climatologist D. V. Hoyt states that he and others have published actual aerosol data, and that the fabricated aerosol data are inconsistent with the observed actual data.

    References:
    Hoyt, D. V., 1979. The apparent atmospheric transmission using the pyrheliometric ratioing techniques. Appl. Optics, 18, 2530-2531.
    [The pyrheliometric ratioing technique is very insensitive to any changes in calibration of the instruments and very sensitive to aerosol changes.]
    Hoyt, D. V. and C. Frohlich, 1983. Atmospheric transmission at Davos, Switzerland, 1909-1979. Climatic Change, 5, 61-72.
    Hoyt, D. V., C. P. Turner, and R. D. Evans, 1980. Trends in atmospheric transmission at three locations in the United States from 1940 to 1977. Mon. Wea. Rev., 108, 1430-1439.
    Hoyt, D. V., 1979. Pyrheliometric and circumsolar sky radiation measurements by the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory from 1923 to 1954. Tellus, 31, 217-229.

    b. Please also note that different climate models have a different sensitivities to CO2. So to make the hindcasts work, each climate model has a different FABRICATED aerosol history.
    In his 2007 paper, climate modeler Jeffrey Kiehl observed: “These results explain to a large degree why models with such diverse climate sensitivities can all simulate the global anomaly in surface temperature. The magnitude of applied anthropogenic total forcing compensates for the model sensitivity.”

    Reference:
    Jeffrey T. Kiehl, 2007. Twentieth century climate model response and climate sensitivity. GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 34, L22710, doi:10.1029/2007GL031383, 2007

    Yours truly,
    Allan MacRae, P.Eng.

    ________________________________________________________________

    Please see the communications below regarding D. V. Hoyt and aerosols:

    http://climateaudit.org/2006/07/19/whitfield-subcommittee-witnesses-to-be-questioned/

    http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=755

    Douglas Hoyt:
    July 22nd, 2006 at 5:37 am

    Measurements of aerosols did not begin in the 1970s. There were measurements before then, but not so well organized. However, there were a number of pyrheliometric measurements made and it is possible to extract aerosol information from them by the method described in:
    Hoyt, D. V., 1979. The apparent atmospheric transmission using the pyrheliometric ratioing techniques. Appl. Optics, 18, 2530-2531.
    The pyrheliometric ratioing technique is very insensitive to any changes in calibration of the instruments and very sensitive to aerosol changes.

    Here are three papers using the technique:
    Hoyt, D. V. and C. Frohlich, 1983. Atmospheric transmission at Davos, Switzerland, 1909-1979. Climatic Change, 5, 61-72.
    Hoyt, D. V., C. P. Turner, and R. D. Evans, 1980. Trends in atmospheric transmission at three locations in the United States from 1940 to 1977. Mon. Wea. Rev., 108, 1430-1439.
    Hoyt, D. V., 1979. Pyrheliometric and circumsolar sky radiation measurements by the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory from 1923 to 1954. Tellus, 31, 217-229.

    In none of these studies were any long-term trends found in aerosols, although volcanic events show up quite clearly. There are other studies from Belgium, Ireland, and Hawaii that reach the same conclusions. It is significant that Davos shows no trend whereas the IPCC models show it in the area where the greatest changes in aerosols were occurring.

    There are earlier aerosol studies by Hand and Marvin in Monthly Weather Review going back to the 1880s and these studies also show no trends.

    So when MacRae (#321) says: “I suspect that both the climate computer models and the input assumptions are not only inadequate, but in some cases key data is completely fabricated – for example, the alleged aerosol data that forces models to show cooling from ~1940 to ~1975. Isn’t it true that there was little or no quality aerosol data collected during 1940-1975, and the modelers simply invented data to force their models to history-match; then they claimed that their models actually reproduced past climate change quite well; and then they claimed they could therefore understand climate systems well enough to confidently predict future catastrophic warming?”, he close to the truth.
    _____________________________________________________________________

    Douglas Hoyt:
    July 22nd, 2006 at 10:37 am
    Re #328
    “Are you the same D. V. Hoyt who wrote the referenced papers?” Answer: Yes.
    _____________________________________________________________________

  84. Michael says:

    Jim Cripwell 3 30 12 608AM “The fact of the matter is that no Canadian politician, so far as I am aware, has come out and stated publicly that CAGW is wrong.”

    In the land of Alberta, Canada, where the proven recoverable oil reserves are on a par with Saudi Arabia, there is an election campaign going on. The winner will govern not only the most extensive energy supply in the western world in the form of bitumen and heavy oil, but also the most dynamic economy in Canada. The party currently leading the polls, by a margin of 40% to 30% over the ruling Progressive Conservatives, is the “Wildrose Party”. In their policy document, they state:

    “Clean Air

    There is nothing more important to individuals than the quality of the air they athe their loved ones breathe every second of every day. It is imperative that our province’s economic reliance on the production, use, refinement and sale of hydrocarbons never undermines the right of Albertans to breathe clean air. Dangerous pollutants such as nitrous oxide, sulphur dioxide, mercury, lead and other particulates must be reduced. …

    The discussion surrounding global warming has become highly emotional. There is obviously still healthy scientific debate as to the extent of manmade emissions of CO2 are affecting global temperatures – and this debate will likely carry on for many years.

    As a province we must strike the delicate balance between promoting out of precaution a practical reduction of CO2 emissions while ignoring the environmental extremists that would have us needlessly overreact to the severe detriment of our economy.

    It is thus important that government avoid enacting CO2 reduction policies for the sake of simply appearing to be doing something.”

    You can find the full text of the document on line, this quote is from page 11. By the way, please ignore the sentence I omitted from the original, in Alberta you can get points by pointing to others’ weeknesses, and I by no way celebrate the smog endured by any human being anywhere, hence the deletion.

    I believe that the obove noted quote, by calling CAGW promoters “environmental extremists”, indicates disagreement with their theories.

    errors, unnoted omissions, spelling mistakes and emphasis are mine.

    http://www.wildrose.ca/media/2011/10/Wildrose-Policy-Book.pdf

  85. TomRude says:

    Today, in no less than two articles, the very green Canadian Globe & Mail is complaining about the Canadian Revenue Agency enforcing the rule that charities could not spend more than 10% on political activism!

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/budgets-new-rules-unfairly-target-environmental-groups/article2387590/

    Since Vivian Krause exposed the connections between Tides and eco activism, The Globe has been cozying up with Tides Canada and Tides financed projects: LeadNow.ca (Robo Call 31,000 call campaign to election Canada), NotOurBudget (antics paid for by Tides), OpenMedia (internet freedom anti Harper campaign), Suzuki Foundation, The Tyee (Dr. Byers Op ed), support of Solomon and Newell’s charities, endorsement of Robertson, Dogwood Initiative against the Gateway pipeline…

    The same Globe editors called her research “noise”….

    http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/2012/03/budget.html

    Clearly Thomson Reuters International controlled medias are very annoyed that their friends’ covert eco strategy has been exposed for all Canadians to see.

  86. Allan MacRae says:

    Allan MacRae says: March 30, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    CORRECTION OF TYPO: Emailed 30Mar2012

  87. DaveG says:

    Canada and the Kyoto Protocol: Who Says Quitters Never Win?

    Carbon reduction is just a luxury pastime, and arguably a useless one. Where can you breathe better — “carbon-dumping” Canada, or Europe? I rest my case.

    European countries have long been proudly fiddling with carbon credits both amongst themselves and on the world stage. Good for them. Given the current economic state of the euro zone, it’s obvious they’ve been busy debating wallpaper samples while the bulldozer rolls full speed toward the house. Good luck saving the world when you can’t pay the rent. Europe will probably keep trying to impose its moral example through climate-change activism, even when it’s in debt to China and Russia, both of which have zero Kyoto obligations.
    A developed country under the carbon tax system can choose to offset its guilt with actions rather than cash transfers to less-industrialized countries. Nice racket. So Canada may have been able to reduce its billions owed with “do-gooder credits,” furiously running around the world planting trees, French-kissing rainbow trout, hosting one rock concert on arctic ice floes featuring Bono for every giga-tonne of carbon spewed, or something else equally absurd.
    The Liberal Party’s environment critic, Kirsty Duncan, accused Harper’s government of ignoring the “science” of this. “While the world emits 48 giga-tonnes of carbon each year,” she wrote, “most models suggest that emissions need to drop to 44 giga-tonnes by 2020 to maintain a likely chance (66 percent) of remaining under 2 degrees Celsius.”
    The Socialist NDP official opposition leader added: “While the Harper Conservatives are causing Canada to fall behind, the rest of the world is moving forward in the new energy economy.”
    Good for “the rest of the world.” Have fun playing with your new taxes. The rest of us have real problems to deal with.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelmarsden/2011/12/21/canada_and_the_kyoto_protocol_who_says_quitters_never_win/page/2

  88. Allan MacRae says:

    TomRude says: March 31, 2012 at 11:19 am
    “”Clearly Thomson Reuters International controlled medias are very annoyed that their friends’ covert eco strategy has been exposed for all Canadians to see.”

    My experience with the Globe and Mail was similar to that of Soon & Baliunas and Veizer & Shaviv with EOS – the behaviour of both these rags was dishonest, unprofessional and reprehensible.

    The Globe and Mail has disgraced itself and is unworthy of our readership.

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