This is a repost from Lansner’s website, since Tamino aka Grant Foster won’t allow it to be discussed on his own website, I thought I’d give a forum for discussion here. – Anthony
| The real temperature trend given by Foster and Rahmstorf 2011? |
| Posted by Frank Lansner (frank) on 17th December, 2011 |
(whoops, I’m not allowed to link to this article at Taminos site… I’ve never written on Taminos site, but he seems to know not to let me write – Frank)

Fig1. Foster and Rahmstorf recently released a writing on ”The real global warming signal”.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/the-real-global-warming-signal/ The point from F&R is, I believe, debating to counter the “sceptic” argument that temperatures has stagnated during the last decade or more. Since this is an essential issue in the climate debate I decided to investigate if F&R did a sensible calculation using relevant parameters.
Hadcrut global temperatures do have a rather flat trend these days:

Fig2. It is possible to go back to 1 may 1997 and still see flat trend for Hadcrut temperature data, so this data set will be subject for this writing:
Can F&R´s arguments and calculations actually induce a significant warm trend even to Hadcrut 1998-2011?
F&R use three parameters for their corrections, ENSO, AOD (volcanic atmospheric dimming) and TSI (Total Solar Irradiation).
“Objection”: TSI is hardly the essential parameter when it comes to Solar influence in Earth climate.
More appropriate it would be to use the level “Solar Activity”, “Sunspot number”, “Cloud cover” “Magnetism” or “Cosmic rays”. TSI is less relevant and should not be used as label.

Fig3. FF&R has chosen MEI to represent EL Nino and La Nina impacts on global temperatures. MEI is the “raw” Nina3,4 SST that directly represents the EL Nino and La Nina, but in the MEI index, also SOI is implemented. To chose the most suited parameter I have compared NOAA´s ONI which is only Nina3.4 index and MEI to temperature graphs to evaluate which to prefer.
Both Hadcrut and RSS has a slightly better match with the pure Nina 3,4 ONI index which will therefore be used in the following. (Both sets was moved 3mth to achieve best it with temperature variations).

Fig4.
After correcting for Nina3,4 index (El Nino + La Nina) there is still hardly any trend in Hadcrut data 1998-2011. (If MEI is chosen, this results in a slight warming trend of approx 0,07 K/decade for the corrected Hadcrut data 1998-2011).

Fig5. I then scaled to best fit for SATO volcano data set. For the years after 1998, there is not really any impact from volcanoes, and thus we can say:
There is no heat trend in Hadcrut data after 1998 even when corrected for EL Nino/La Nina and volcanoes.
However, this changes when inducing Solar activity, I chose Sun Spot Number, SSN, to represent the Solar activity:

Fig6.
To best estimate the scaling of SSN I detrended the Nino3,4 and volcano corrected Hadcrut data and scaled SSN to best fit. Unlike F&R, I get the variation of SSN to equal 0,2K, not 0,1 K as F&R shows.
Now see what happens:

Fig7.
F&R describes the Solar activity (“TSI” as they write…) to be of smallest importance in their calculations. However, it is only the Solar activity, SSN, that ends up making even the Hadcrut years after 1998 show a warm trend when corrected. On Fig7 I have plotted the yearly results by F&R for Hadcrut and they are nearly identical to my results.
So, a smaller warming from my using Nino 3,4 combined with the larger impact of Solar activity I find cancels out each other.
ISSUES
For now it has been evaluated what F&R has done, now lets consider issues:
1) F&R assume that temperature change from for exaple El Nino or period of raised Solar activity etc. will dissapear fully immidiately after such an event ends. F&R assumes that heat does not accumulate from one temperature event to the next.
2) Missing corrections for PDO
3) Missing corrections for human aerosols – (supposed to be important)
4) Missing corrections for AMO
5) F&R could have mentioned the effect of their adjustments before 1979
Issue 1: F&R assume that all effect from a shorter warming or cooling period is totally gone after the effect is gone.
Fundamentally, the F&R approach demands that all effects of the three parameters they use for corrections only have here-and-now effects.
Example:

Fig8.
In the above approaches, the Nino3,4 peaks are removed by assuming that all effects from for example a short intense heat effect can be removed by removing heat only when the heating effect occurs, but not removing any heat after the effect it self has ended.
Now, to examine this approach I compare 2 datasets. A) Hadcrut temperatures, “corrected” for Nina3,4 , volcanoes and SSN effects as shown in the above – detrended. B) The Nino3,4 index indicating El Ninos/La Ninas and thus the timing of adjustments. (We remember, that the Nino3,4 was moved 3 months to fit temperature data before adjusting):

Fig9.
After for example “removing” heat caused by El Ninas during the specific El Nino periods, you see heat peaks 1 – 2 years later in the “Nino3,4” corrected detrended temperature data.
That is: After red peaks you see black peaks..
This means that the approach of systematically only removing heat when heat effect is occurring is fundamentally wrong.
Wrong to what extent? Typically, the heat not removed by correcting for Nina3,4 shows 1-2 years later than the heat effect. Could this have impact on decadal temperature trends?
Maybe so: In most cases of El Nino peaks, first we have the Nino3,4 red peak, then 1-2 years after the remaining black peak in temperature data that then dives. But notice that normally the dives in remaining heat (black) normally occurs when dives in the red Nino3,4 index starts.
This suggests, that the remaining heat from an El Nino peak is not fast disappearing by itself, but rather, is removed when colder Nino3,4 conditions induces a cold effect.
In general, we are working with noisy volcano and SSN corrected data, so to any conclusion there will be some situations where the “normal” observations is not seen strongly.
Now, what happens is we focus on periods where the Nino3,4 index for longer periods than 2 years is more neutral – no major peaks?

Fig10.
Now, the detrended Hadcrut temperature “corrected” for Nina3,4, Volcanoes and SSN – black graph – has been 2 years averaged:
The impact of El Ninos and La Ninas is still clearly visible in data supposed to be corrected for these impacts. Since this correction by F&R is their “most important” correction, and it fails, then we can conclude that F&R 2011 is fundamentally flawed and useless.
Reality is complex and F&R has mostly seen the tip of the iceberg, no more.
More: Notice the periods 1976-1981 and 2002-2007. In both cases, we a period of a few years with Nino3,4 index rather neutral. In these cases, the temperature level does not change radically.
In the 1976-81 period, the La Ninas up to 1977 leaves temperatures cold, and they stay cold for years while Nino3,4 remains rather neutral. After the 2002-3 El Nino, Nino3,4 index remains rather neutral, and temperatures simply stays warm.
Issue 2: Missing corrections for PDO
Quite related to the above issue of ignoring long term effects of temperature peaks, we see no mention of the PDO.

Fig11. Don Easterbrook suggests that a general warming occurs when PDO is warm, and a general cooling occurs when PDO is cold. (PDO = Pacific Decadal Oscillation). That is, even though PDO index remains constant but warm, the heat should accumulate over the years rather than be only short term dependent strictly related to the PDO index of a given year. This is in full compliance with the long term effects of temperature peaks shown under issue 1.
Don Easterbrook suggests 0,5K of heating 1979-2000 due the PDO long term heat effect.
I think the principle is correct, I cant know if the 0,5K is correct – it is obviously debated – but certainly, you need to consider the PDO long term effect on temperatures in connection with ANY attempt to correct temperature data. F&R fails to do so, although potentially, PDO heat is suggested to explain all heat trend after 1979.
I would like to analyse temperature data for PDO effect if possible.

Fig12. PDO data taken from http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest
To analyse PDO-effect we have to realise that PDO and Nino3,4 (not surprisingly) have a lot in common. This means, that I cant analyse PDO effects in a dataset “corrected” for Nino3,4 as it would to some degree also be “corrected” for PDO…
More, this strong resemblance between Nino3,4 and PDO has this consequence:
When Don Easterbrook says that PDO has long term effect, he’s also saying that Nino3,4 has long term effects – just as concluded in issue 1.

Fig13. Thus, I am working with PDO signal compared to Hadcrut temperatures corrected for volcanoes and SSN only. The general idea that heat can be accumulated from one period to the next (long term effects) is clearly supported in this compare. If PDO heat (like any heat!) can be expected to be accumulated, then we can se for each larger PDO-heat-peak temperatures on Earth rises to a steady higher level.

Fig14. Note: in the early 1960´ies, the correction of volcano Agung is highly questionably because different sources of data concerning the effect of Agung are not at all in agreement. Most likely I have over-adjusted for cooling effect of Agung. On the above graph from Mauna Loa it appears that hardly any adjustment should be done…
Scientists often claim that we HAVE to induce CO2 in models to explain the heat trend. Here we have heat trends corrected for volcanoes and SSN, now watch how much math it takes to explain temperature rise after 1980 using PDO:

Fig15. “Math” to explain temperature trend using PDO. Due to the uncertainty on data around 1960 (Agung + mismatch with RUTI world index/unadjusted GHCN) I have made a curve beginning before and after 1960. For each month I add a fraction of the PDO signal to the temperature of last month, that is, I assume that heat created last month “wont go away” by itself, but is regulated by impacts of present month. This approach is likely not perfect either but it shows how easy temperature trends can be explained if you accept PDO influence globally.
(In addition I made some other scenarios where temperatures would seek zero to some degree, and also where I used square root on PDO input which may work slightly better, square root to boost smaller changes near zero PDO).
Now, how can PDO all by itself impact a long steady heat on Earth?? Does heat come from deep ocean or??

Fig16. It goes without saying that SSN and PDO (and thus Nina3,4 as shown) are related.
Is it likely that PDO affects Sun Spot Numbers? No, so we can conclude that Solar activity drives temperatures PDO which again can explain temperature changes on Earth.
Suddenly this analysis has become more interesting than F&R-evaluation, but this graph also shows that F&R was wrong on yet another point: Notice on the graph that we work the temperatures “CORRECTED” for Solar activity… But AFTER each peak of SSN we see accumulation of heat on earth still there after “correcting” for solar activity. Thus, again, it is fundamentally wrong to assume no long term affects of temperature changes. This time, temperature effect can be seen in many years after the “corrected” Solar activity occurred.
Conclusion: PDO appears Solar driven and can easily explain temperature developments analysed.
Thus perhaps the most important factors to be corrected for – if you want to know about potential Co2 effects – was not corrected for by F&R 2011.
Issue 3: Missing corrections for human aerosols – that are supposed to be important
It is repeatedly claimed by the AGW side in the climate debate that human sulphates / aerosols should explain significant changes in temperatures on earth.
When you read F&R I cant stop wonder: Why don’t they speak about Human aerosols now?

http://www.manicore.com/anglais/documentation_a/greenhouse/greenhouse_gas.html
Fig17. In basically all sources of sulphur emissions it appears that around 1980-90 these started to decline.
If truly these aerosols explains significant cooling, well, then a reduced cooling agent after 1980 should be accounted for when adjusting temperature data to find “the real” temperature signal.
F&R fails to do so.
Issue 4: Missing corrections for AMO
AMO appears to affect temperatures in the Arctic and also on large land areas of the NH.

Fig18. In fact, the temperatures of the AMO-affected Arctic is supposed to be an important parameter for global temperature trends, and thus correcting for AMO may be relevant.
The AMO appears to boost temperatures for years 2000-2010 , so any correction of temperatures using AMO would reduce temperature trend after 1980.
F&R do not mention AMO.
Issue 5: F&R could have mentioned the effect of their adjustments before 1979
F&R only shows impacts after 1979, possibly due to the limitations of satellite data.

Fig19. “Correcting” Hadcrut data for nino3,4 + volcanoes it turns out that the heat trend from 1950 is reduced around 0,16K or around 25%. Why not show this?
I chose 1950 as staring point because both Nina3,4 and SATO volcano index begins in 1950.
Conclusion
F&R appear seems to assume that temperature impacts on Earth only has impact while occurring, not after. If you heat up a glass of water, the heat wont go away instantly after removing the heat source, so to assume this for this Earth would need some documentation.
Only “correcting” for the instant fraction of a temperature impact and not impacts after ended impact gives a rather complex dataset with significant random appearing errors and thus, the resulting F&R “adjusted data” for temperatures appears useless. At least until the long term effect of temperature changes has been established in a robust manner.
Further, it seems that the PDO, Nin3,4 and Solar activities are related, and just by using the simplest mathematics (done to PDO) these can explain recent development in temperatures on Earth. The argument that “CO2 is needed to explain recent temperature trends” appears to be flat wrong.
Thus “correcting” for PDO/Nina3,4 long term effect might remove heat trend of temperature data all together.
Solar activity is shown to be an important driver PDO/Nino3,4 and thus climate.
Finally, can we then use temperature data without the above adjustment types?
Given the complexities involved with such adjustments, it is definitely better to accept the actual data than a datasets that appears to be fundamentally flawed.
Should one adjust just for Nino3,4 this lacks long time effects of Nina3,4 and more it does not remove flat trend from the recent decade of Hadcrut temperature data.
“Given the complexities involved with such adjustments, it is definitely better to accept the actual data than a datasets that appears to be fundamentally flawed.”
Oh no, we must use the datasets that support alarmism. /sarc
Nice job debunking this data fudging, cherry picking, dogma bolstering, predetermined nonsense.
Thank you. It appears that it is really just childs play to take this paper apart.
I know Tamino thinks he is a great thinker in his own mind, but a great statistician, he is not.
The first time I read that paper I thought what rubbish. Your analysis verifies that thought process.
How in the world do these folks get this junk published??????????????
Natural variation and climate cycles explained:
1971
Alarmists: There’s an ice age coming!
Skeptic: Looks like natural variation, not a long term trend….
Alarmists: Blasphemer! Ice Age! We’re all going to die!
1991
Alarmists: The world is heating up at an unprecedented rate!
Skeptic: But you just said….
Alarmists: CO2! CO2 is causing unprecedented warming!
Skeptic: OK, forget the ice age then, it STILL looks like natural variation, not a long term trend…
Alarmists: Blasphemer! Tipping point! We’re all going to die!
2011
Skeptic: You know, looking at the last 10 to 15 years, it doesn’t seem like there’s been anymore warming….
Alarmists: Natural variation! Itz hiding the warming!
Skeptic: Hiding the warming? Where?
Alarmists: Blasphemer! The warming is hiding in the bottom of the ocean where we can’t measure it, and/or being masked by aerosols, and/or being hidden by natural variation! We’re all going to die!
2031
Alarmist: There’s an ice age coming!
Skeptic: Looks like…never mind, I know where this is going. We’re all going to die. I for one, because a) I/m old and b) I’m sick to death of listening to alarmism.
The desperation among “The Cause” is starting to show. What is the purpose of these “adjustments”? Lets take the logic to is, well, logical conclusion. If he isn’t coming right out and saying it, the implication is (he might be saying it, I don’t now, I don’t read his site because I find it is generally nothing more than a warmanista echo chamber) that if he removes sources of natural variability, then we more accurately “see” warming caused by their beloved CO2. But we have a problem with that. First of all, I notice the first graph of “adjusted” temperatures only goes back to 1980. How convenient. Have “Tamino” show a graph of his “adjusted” temperatures across the entire temperature record and see what it looks like then.
We also know this to be a load of poppycock because there is absolutely no way that climate can be so sensitive as to rise so much from 1980 to 2000 from just the amount of CO2 change in that time. These adjustments say nothing. Well, actually, what they say is “if things were different, then they wouldn’t be the same”. As you point out, ENSO impacts can last for years. Tisdale has shown this on his site. It takes a while for heat to migrate to the poles. Adjusting global temperatures in response to an index something like EMI is rather nonsensical. For example, during a La Nina there will be a good bit of warm water pushed westward. When the trades slacken, that water “sloshes” back across the Pacific. ENSO anomalies are fundamentally trade wind anomalies and these impact the movement of surface water. It takes a while for that warm water pushed up against China to make its appearance off the coast of Japan. But I have a feeling his entire point falls apart dramatically if he extends his graphs earlier to, say, 1900.
And as you point out, I agree that these “adjustments” are not necessary and really don’t show anything. ENSO impacts can not be precisely quantified from one event to the next because so many other variables are involved. TSI is “sort” of a sunspot proxy but not a very good one, as you say, why not just use sunspots? But even then there can be up to a 10 year lag between a major change in solar activity and significant changes in the polar regions. So the solar changes are not evenly distributed across the planet at all latitudes at the same time.
Look, I am not a specialist in the field of ocean circulations or solar impacts on the oceans but I DO know enough to realize that history shows a lag between such things as solar cycle duration, AMO, PDO, and MEI and their full climate impacts at higher latitudes. He seems either to be way out of his depth on the climate impacts of the things he is adjusting for or he believes his primary audience doesn’t know any better and will simply take his word for it. So it might be either a lack of competence or a lack of integrity, not sure which.
These adjustments seem nonsensical and appear to be simply “trying” different “tricks” to get a result that looks like the one he wants and he plasters over it with a lot of words he hopes nobody really understands. At least that is what it looks like to me in this case.
OMG! This is a published paper? Which journal published this? Who reviewed it? Was this published in one of those “open” journals where the author basically pays for it to be published like some sort of academic vanity press?
Let’s see:
Received 27 September 2011
Accepted for publication 16 November 2011
Published 6 December 2011
Holy cow, that was fast. Received on the 27th and accepted 19 days later. That’s some fast peer review! Ok, now lets have a look at the publisher Environmental Research Letters. Aha! Just as I suspected:
Gee, I wonder how much it cost them to get this published:
So maybe $1600 bucks. He should have just stuck to publishing it on his website.
The vanity academic press where the author pays. $1600 is a rather cheap one. Many are up to $5000.
Who would have thought the sun has something to do with climate, and solar activity for that matter?
s/
The Pacific will always be more affected by the sun since it fills more of the equator than the Atlantic.
Whether this is due to direct absorption of varying levels solar radiation, changing levels of cloud cover along the equator as modulated by cosmic rays, changes in circulation patterns or some combination of the three is a subject I find very interesting.
It is as clear as day that it is part of a mechanism that dominates the global temperatures.
Is it possible to use their wrong arguments and prove that the MWP and LIA did not have any unusual temperatures? So if we, hypothetically speaking, remove all solar influences and PDO affects, etc. from the MWP and the LIA, then then temperatures would be adjusted to being flat for the last 1000 years until 1945. And where would we be if we extend this to removing all Milankovitch cycles over the last 600,000 years?
Camburn: “How in the world do these folks get this junk published??????????????” Remember that old saying, “It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.”; in climate science it seems this is the rule as Climategate clearly shows.
crosspatch – you obviously don’t understand academic publishing at all. Vanity academic press? Get real. Look the journal up in “Journal Citation Reports”.
“Objection”: TSI is hardly the essential parameter when it comes to Solar influence in Earth climate.
More appropriate it would be to use the level “Solar Activity”, “Sunspot number”, “Cloud cover” “Magnetism” or “Cosmic rays”. TSI is less relevant and should not be used as label.
Really? Total solar light energy is not relevant? What a curious remark – it should at least be a major factor. As I recall from reading Foster and Rahmstorf, they tried TSI, sunspot number, and a few other proxies for solar influence – with no significant differences. Have you actually run the numbers???
Tamino has, by the way, published his R code for these computations. I would be fascinated by your computations showing their results incorrect…
The really bad part of this article, unfortunately, is the piecemeal approach of attempting to account for TSI, then ENSO, then volcanic. Singleton regression of this approach will inevitably mis-account for various factors that are acting at the same time. I’m afraid Frank Lansner is not demonstrating any actual knowledge of time series analysis in this post.
I do, incidentally, agree that an aerosol factor/proxy would be very interesting and informative to include – and I’ve recommended the same to Tamino. But, as it stands, this is a very worthwhile paper on examining and accounting for multiple internal climate variations and forcings, in order to identify and isolate any warming trend outside ENSO, volcanic activity, and insolation effects.
If Frank Lansner feels he has a better approach, I would suggest he write it up and submit it to a journal.
So publish this. Please. Why leave it in a blog????
Lanser or Lansner? (Line 1)
Crosspatch: Received 27 September 2011
Accepted for publication 16 November 2011
Published 6 December 2011
Holy cow, that was fast. Received on the 27th and accepted 19 days later.
What happened to October?
Regression with only a subset of the known influences (and, of course, none of the unknown influences) should give
1. a wrong weighting for the influences used
2. a wrong “corrected” signal.
Beyond that the authors write:
“The warming rates are now in even better agreement, and it remains the case that none of the differences are statistically significant.”
The authors know very well, that satellite lower troposphere trends should instead be very different from surface based trends and about 40% higher. Their very different result then confirms, that either their computation is false or climate model predictions are false or both.
The authors should also make a statement explaining how this got published so quickly witrh such a very obvious inconsistency.
juanslayton says:
December 17, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Crosspatch: Received 27 September 2011
Accepted for publication 16 November 2011
Published 6 December 2011
Holy cow, that was fast. Received on the 27th and accepted 19 days later.
What happened to October?>>>
It was in the raw data. Crosspatch used the adjusted data.
sheesh, you’re correct, I forgot October!
Facepalm.
Because the variation is rather small and it is noisy. It gets lost in the noise of other sources of TSI variation. In this case it is probably acting as a general solar activity proxy. But cycle length would probably be a better one though you can’t go by that either because the impacts of solar length are not felt at all latitudes at the same time. Tropics might feel the difference during the cycle. Poles might feel the difference 10 years lagged. South pole might experience it differently than North pole. Places in between will be different, too.
“TSI is “sort” of a sunspot proxy but not a very good one, as you say, why not just use sunspots?” – you’ve got that entirely backwards. Sunspot numbers are a sort of TSI proxy, but not a very good one. Why would you want to use those instead of the actually measured amount of energy received by the Earth from the Sun? Perhaps because you are so desperate to find flaws in an analysis that contradicts your preconceived ideas that you simply don’t care about what actually physically makes sense?
There are some REALLY BAD open academic press out there. There have been real cases of machine generated gibberish being accepted for publication.
You might have a look at this:
http://www.dcscience.net/?p=4873&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-access-peer-review-grants-and-other-academic-conundrums
Here is some wishful thinking, complete with awful spelling:
“F&R assume that temperature change from for exaple El Nino or period of raised Solar activity etc. will dissapear fully immidiately after such an event ends.”
Here is the truth:
“Since the natural influences can have a delayed effect on temperature, the regression allowed for a lag between the value of any of the three factors and its impact”
List if “predatory” academic “vanity press” organizations:
http://metadata.posterous.com/83235355
“The authors should also make a statement explaining how this got published so quickly witrh such a very obvious inconsistency.”
Ha ha. Yes. Good one.
Masturbation is to sex what adjusted data is to science.