WUWT – helping to educate UEA students on climate

This is curious and amusing. A few days back it was reported that there was a CG2 email from Phil Jones where he laments some skeptical slides being used in a powerpount lecture at UEA. Turns out that wasn’t the case after all.

From email 2639

This annoys me too. I’d read up and talk to people if I were to ever attempt moving to another field! It is just common sense. Neil Adger has taken over the running of First Year course here in ENV. He asked Alan Kendall for the ppt for 2 lectures he gives. He sent them and 40 slides are taken from Climate Audit! A student asked Neil why Alan was saying things opposite to what Neil and Tim Osborn were saying!!!

Alan is retiring at the end of this year….thankfully.

But look at how it is proposed to deal with the problem – Mick Kelly suggests having Greenpeace invade the lectures:

That’s amazing re Alan Kendall (always thought he was rather a loose cannon). And, no, he didn’t contribute to 1A01 in my day – sure I’d have spotted had he done so! Who’s convening 1A01 nowadays? I’d call his bluff and constructively suggest that he might ensure consistency between what you say (assuming you give the lectures I used to cover?) and his account – for

the students’ sake at least! Alternatively, could always threaten to have Greenpeace invade his lecture 🙂 Good luck!

I was surprised to learn that over on Bishop Hill, the lecturer Ian Kendall says in comments that he used slides from WUWT and from Jo Nova. He also laments being a lone voice in a sea of alarmism.

“First a needed correction. It is alleged that I used Climate Audit material in my teaching materials. Upon reviewing this material I find not a single instance of illustrations from that estimable site (sorry Steve). Instead most came from Watts up with That or from JoNova’s excellent site.” This relates to email 2639, where Phil Jones (incorrectly apparently) said that Kendall used CA.

My, my, how quickly it becomes evident to me that hitherto I was wise to refrain from blogging. By trying to defend UEA as an institution I only gave opportunities for further attack .

1) I choose not to add to the criticism heaped upon some of my colleagues; in my judgement this would add little – I’m sure that they are fully aware of my opinion of them. To refrain from adding to their woes is my right and those of you who choose to question my motives here only shine a light on their own predjuces.

2) I have criticised from within, but mine was almost alone voice and easily ignored. I have always been concerned about the fallout from Climategate, for the university’s good name (which in many respects it fully deserves) but advice I offered was ignored – as is its right to do so.

3) I still teach part-time at UEA, and still ask students to question the evidence about AGW for themselves – but not to first years students anymore. I never preached an anti AGW message (how could I, I don’t have a grounding in climate science) instead I showed students evidence and argument they were not hearing and asked them to draw their own conclusions – FROM ALL OF THE EVIDENCE.

I am truly astounded by the attacks on myself and from people I would previously have considered to on the same side of the fence.

I am also appalled by the rightious indignation expressed by some respondents. As if they have a god-given right to criticize and further to suggest/ insist upon the wholesale destruction of an institution on the basis that some of its actions offend.

Lesson learned

Apologies from my typos and spelling. Latter never my strong suite and always believed the old saying that poor spelling a sign of intelligence. Perhaps too much reliance upon “spellchecker” in recent years.

Dec 2, 2011 at 11:02 AM | ‘@lanK

I’m happy to help. I’m constantly amazed where I see material from this website being used. And, congratulations to Jo Nova too. She’s far better at conveying science in her artwork than I could ever hope to be.

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Graham Green
December 4, 2011 7:55 am

Poor spelling is a sign of being slapdash.
I think that this person was working at the appropriate university.
What he is, in effect, saying is that although he doesn’t agree he was happy to take and keep taking the wages.
Another of the rent boys of cake science.

Chris B
December 4, 2011 8:04 am

Are Ian Kendall and Alan Kendall the same person?

December 4, 2011 8:05 am

I love the word cake science. I will include this in the curriculum for my grandchildren.

Getting Warm
December 4, 2011 8:15 am

Anthony,
Why do you delve in the minutia and ignore the larger issue? The illegally hacked emails have been thoroughly reviewed or investigated by truly impartial (far more impartial than this site) and respected (ditto) bodies:
The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
the American Meteorological Society (AMS)
the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS)
The Muir Russell report
House of Commons Science and Technology Committee
Science Assessment Panel
Pennsylvania State University
united States Environmental Protection Agency report
National Science Foundation
“based on multiple lines of scientific evidence that global climate change caused by human activities is now underway…it is a growing threat to society.”[13]
Please release all your e-mails immediately!!
Be fair and balanced!

Roberto
December 4, 2011 8:20 am

I can understand Kendall not wanting to tear his University apart himself. However, I wonder how well he understands the legitimate viewpoint of outsiders. If I am one of the sacrificial taxpayers potentially being uselessly charged thousands of dollars, using UEA science as an excuse, that makes me a stakeholder in the conversation, and I have a viewpoint. Particularly because I have work experience fighting stubborn data myths.
And the question in that situation is whether we can successfully get anywhere by asking quietly.Not whether he can get anywhere that way, but whether we can.

Skiphil
December 4, 2011 8:22 am

correction:
I believe it is ‘Alan’ Kendall
the mistaken ‘Ian’ comes from the fact that he posted at Bishop Hill with the screenname ‘@lan’

JPeden
December 4, 2011 8:22 am

I’d call his bluff and constructively suggest that he might ensure consistency between what you say (assuming you give the lectures I used to cover?) and his account – for
the students’ sake at least!

“For the sake of the, er, students!” We wouldn’t want our budding little “scientists” to get too sceptical, eh, and then not tow our ticket for an eternal meal at the government trough, now would we? And after all, it is Climate Science 101! Just how does “Dr.” Kendall think the students will ever get their degree in our Religion?

Billl Hopkins
December 4, 2011 8:25 am

It sounds like Kendall is attempting to do what university faculty are supposed to do and that is teaching critical thinking. And you can’t do that without presenting all sides of an argument.

December 4, 2011 8:33 am

Oh dear. I guess there was a period of cleansing to “purge” the evil spirits within following the revelation of heretical views being espoused within their very own sepulcher. I wonder if they have resorted to self flagellation yet?

patrioticduo
December 4, 2011 8:34 am

Which word? Cake or science? You intended “phrase” perhaps. And me thinks “cake” was supposed to be “fake”. So the comments are going downhill fast for such a fine Sunday morning.

Skiphil
December 4, 2011 8:39 am

@Getting Warm
The severe problems with the sham pseudo-inquiries have been widely addressed, but I will simply note that your inclusion of the following entities as “truly impartial” shows you in a delusional state of mind:
Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS)
United States Environmental Protection Agency
All of the items in your list have severe problems, sham inquiry committees and such, but citing these two entities is like saying “Greenpeace says it so it must be true!”
or maybe you aren’t aware that UCS is merely a left-wing activist front group and the EPA is severely biased (i.e., not ‘truly impartial’).

Richard M
December 4, 2011 8:42 am

Getting Warm says:
on December 4, 2011 at 8:15 am
… respected (ditto) bodies:
the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS)

You must be unaware that Anthony has a close associate, Mr. K Watts, that is a paid in full member of UCS and consults with Anthony on a daily basis.

Getting Warm
December 4, 2011 8:48 am

Anthony,
Love your site. Most of the time we just visit sites to reinforce our views.
You ignored my request to release all of your personal e-mails regarding climate change.
I’m waiting.
REPLY: Why would I take the demand of an anonymous coward, who can’t even bring him/herself to put their own name on their request, as something I would pay attention to? And, you seem unclear on the concept. Private emails by citizens aren’t subject to FOIA or demands from punks like yourself. Public emails at public institutions are. Bugger off. – Anthony

Graham Green
December 4, 2011 8:53 am

@patrioticduo
I used the term ”cake science” in a specific and sarcastic sense. The term ”cake” is stolen from the British television show Brass Eye which featured an episode on the dangers of a completely made up drug called cake that affects the area of the brain called Shatner’s Bassoon. The show featured celebs duped in to adding their weight to the anti-cake movement. They had all been specifically told that cake was a made up drug but they still played their parts. Does this ring any bells?

December 4, 2011 8:56 am

Getting Warm says:
December 4, 2011 at 8:15 am
The illegally hacked emails have been thoroughly reviewed or investigated by truly impartial bodies:
The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
the American Meteorological Society (AMS)
the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS)
The Muir Russell report

Ah
Aha
Ahahaha
BWAHAHAHAA!
Best laugh today, thanks ‘Getting Warm’.
It’s bl**dy freezing here today by the way.

Mike Spilligan
December 4, 2011 8:56 am

Anthony Watts at 8:29 – I was surprised to see your response to Getting Warm. I thought his comment was an attempt at sardonic humour and I cackled a bit at it.

Jay Davis
December 4, 2011 8:57 am

Getting Warm: I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not stupid. Therefore the alternative is, for some reason or another, you are a willing participant in the CAGW disinformation campaign, willingly and knowingly spreading their propaganda, for what reason I neither know or care. While your propaganda may fly elsewhere, the vast majority of the people who visit this site, contribute articles to it and comment on it are intelligent enough to be skeptical of all the CAGW claims, especially since those claims are debunked on a regular basis, ofttimes by contributors. So save yourself the effort of spreading your disinformation here. Instead, read the articles, read the comments, research the sources cited, compare the “skeptical” science to the CAGW “science” and do some real critical thinking. Then you can comment with something substantive, not just canned CAGW propaganda.

December 4, 2011 9:00 am

“poor spelling a sign of intelligence.” Me too. IQ 145 – spelling crap. Told by US doctor that the brain in some people is wired by differently, although they are door spellers they make good machanics and scientists.

Mike From Canmore
December 4, 2011 9:02 am

Richard M
LOL

Jason
December 4, 2011 9:12 am

@Getting Warm
When inquiries or investigations routinely fail to interview a dissenting voice, they can hardly be described as “truly impartial”.
Partially impartial doesn’t even cut it.

Darkinbad the Brightdayler
December 4, 2011 9:14 am

I quite like the phrase “Cake Science” as a way of describing how funding becomes a cake which institutions want a slice of.
It also highlights the fact that sponsored research into a subject is not even handed or even based upon or around some grand theory. It rather seems to be based upon what is politically expedient at the present time.
Who is responsible? We are, we created the monster that now smothers science. We allowed Science to be turned into religion. We let the zealots run away at the mouth without check.

R Barker
December 4, 2011 9:30 am

Getting Warm says:
December 4, 2011 at 8:15 am
The illegally hacked emails have been thoroughly reviewed or investigated by truly impartial (far more impartial than this site) and respected (ditto) bodies:
The Muir Russell report
Pennsylvania State University
__________________________________________________
You can’t be serious! …. to borrow a phrase. Do you really believe that? Since Climategate II do you still believe it?

December 4, 2011 9:34 am

Pity it’s so often the shallow comments that get aired first. Yup I’m no doubt guilty too because that is the way things unfold in life.
Anthony, that was Alan Kendall’s first post at BH, first probably in the blogosphere. One should follow the thread thereafter, and read his second and third comments. The second comment includes this important statement

You may be interested to learn that another who has been demonized, Kieth Briffa, was the first to actively and publically defend my right to express my climate change opinions.

and the third comment opens

Woke up this morning with some trepedation – had I stirred up another hornets’ nest by trying to defend Ed Acton’s position? Was very pleasantly surprised and I thank those who tried to understand my own position on these matters and those who have been supportive.

I’d already seen intriguing references to Kendall and did my own emails search which resulted in a long post on the “emails grepper” thread because here was prime evidence, using both the earlier and the later emails, that, contrary to the kneejerk warmist “out of context!” shouts, the recent tranche of emails had helped to put a lot into context. Alan Kendall’s story as extracted from the emails helped me see a story of corruption at UEA over time, and an individual there who did what was within his power to do, to recognize and stand up for integrity, stand up for the freedom to examine all the evidence and to make up one’s own mind, and above all, behave with courtesy.
I have a lot of time for Alan Kendall.

Richard G
December 4, 2011 9:47 am

Ian Summerell says:
December 4, 2011 at 9:00 am
“poor spelling a sign of intelligence.” Me too. IQ 145 – spelling crap. Told by US doctor that the brain in some people is wired by differently, although they are door spellers they make good machanics and scientists.
_____________________
My favorite bumper sticker:
“DYSLEXICS UNTIE”

Charles.U.Farley
December 4, 2011 9:48 am

I dont know why theyre having such a hard time.
If its all as certain as theyre saying, then show us the human causal signal in the data and get it over with.
Unless of course, they cant find it…..

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