Reader JoeFromBrazil writes
Greetings,
Sorry, but is this just a coincidence ?
Nov, 15-18, 2009 US presidente BO visits China
Nov, 19, 2009 Climategate I
Dec, COP-15
Nov, 19, 2011 US president BO visits China
Nov, 22, 2011 Climategate II
Dec, COP-17
I think that we need know when BO will be in China again…
It may very well be, but I’ve had a theory that I’ve floated with a couple people about this related to a curious comment coming from an IP address in China I found on WUWT months ago, but it reached a dead end due to lack of information. Perhaps it is time to have another look at that.
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Hopefully he will be out of a job before the next COP
Hmmmmm ……???
It is interesting!
Happy Thanksgiving, Mr Watts and American Readers.
Whu doesn’t like “Imperialist Yankee”
Well, Climategate isn’t exactly in the Chinese interest, is it? I mean, anything that can be done to hamstring the US industrial economy via CO2 regulations gives more business to China which is exempt from those regulations. Why would China want to kill the goose that has so far laid nothing but golden eggs for them?
REPLY: There are people doing work in China, close to CRU/UEA/Tyndall that aren’t Chinese. I’ve identified one possible candidate in China in that capacity who might very well be disgruntled with the whole charade. Might be nothing. – Anthony
Yoy mean Maurice Strong could be the Climategate leaker FOIA?
Keep in mind, WUWT along with CA Blogs are blocked behind the “Great Firewall” while in China. RC is not. You try to figure out what is going on?
I had the Russians in mind; they export a lot of oil and gas, so they’re not interested in CO2 regulations. Their climate scientists like Abibullah Abdasamatov think CAGW is nonsense. Torpedoing the credibility of Western CAGW science by information warfare looks like a Cold War tactic. Maybe China and Russia cooperate.
BTW, China has no interest in economic harm for the US or the EU; they sell us their goods. They need customers. If anything, they have an interest in stopping us from committing economic suicide.
@BillyV says: Keep in mind, WUWT along with CA Blogs are blocked behind the “Great Firewall” while in China. RC is not.
— The reason is: the “Great Firewall” blocked all wordpress blogs; CA and WUWT is wordpress based but RC is not.
Solar and wind energy require rare earths, and China has more than half the world’s supplies of these minerals. That gives them a strong interest in the hysteria, whether it is true or not.
Qui Bono?
The Chinese really don’t like anything that could be counted against them in economic and political negotiations.
Ergo, I would not be at all surprised to find out that there is a Chinese Hacking connection with Climategate.
I suspect that it could just be them farking with their ‘foes’ by destroying that artificial and fraudulent construct known as carbon trading (based on the whole AGW ‘Model’).
Attack the root (their ‘data’), and the whole thing crumbles.
Enjoy your Thanksgiving,all Americans.
All your base are belong to us.
牛Ｂ! What’s the IP?
It;s normal when an head of state comes to visit that there is an exchange of gifts. Maybe instead of a naff photo album or cd someone gave the emails.
It was a Chinese Scientist who sent the Oh so polite email about the Urban Heat Island effect and their data being a lot different but the IPCC would not allow the reports into the IPCC chapter.
Sept 2007
There is more on the Chinese documentation of UHI here: http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/07/chinese-scientists-document-that-urban-heat-island-impact-can-explain-as-much-as-44-of-recent-warmin.html
“Yang et al. published an extensive study on the impact of UHI on China’s warming and discovered that over 40% of the increase could be explained by the UHI effect in some urban areas.”
Received 7 December 2010; accepted 6 May 2011; published 28 July 2011: The data goes up to 2007 and stops the same time period as the above e-mails. http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2010JD015452.shtml
AW wrote “a curious comment coming from an IP address in China I found on WUWT months ago”
One or more people ask “What was that comment”?
Never make the mistake of viewing nations – especially their various secret services – as monolithic. The enmity between nations is only matched by the internal friction between competing intra-national agencies – especially security related ones.
I wouldn’t rule out any nation as a source based on apparent national interest.
Hey Hoser, I’m not sure what this would imply but there it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
Gee … chinese-POTUS connection … Anthony, I think you need a well-deserved break.
Re:DirkH says:
November 24, 2011 at 10:47 am
“BTW, China has no interest in economic harm for the US or the EU; they sell us their goods.”
That’s the conventional wisdom, but they’ve geared up to manufacture and sell us all the solar cells we’ll need to destroy the U.S. economy. Apparently our leaders can’t wait to get on with it. Go figure!
That’s short-term. The Chinese pretty clearly have domination of the Western Pacific as a near-term goal, and most likely hope to replace the United States as the world’s dominant economic power in the long term, say by the end of the century.
At the rate we’re going, they’ve got a pretty good shot at it.
/Mr Lynn
Al Gore was probably not the first, and BO won’t be the last to bring gifts to China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy
Surely it’s in China’s best interest that the US not have easy access to Canadian Oil, or any other oil for that matter. When you have to compete, the price goes up. Cheaper to block a pipeline.
Any sceptic should know immediately that you cannot make this sort of conclusion from such paucity of data, and it reflects poorly on your sceptical credetials that you would dedicate a thread to this coincidence. If you flip a coin twice and it comes up heads both times, does that mean the coin was provided by a group of monarchists?
The only evidence we have suggests that a European wrote the Climategate emails, as it seems to be only Europeans who can’t get their heads around the fact that in English, a dot is a decimal point.
Who knows? There could be some conspiracy. The Chinese could have hired a European, or tried to immitate one. But we don’t have a tiny bit of evidence for that; just two sets of three dates two years apart.
[REPLY: I think you need to re-read the post and not jump to conclusions. -REP]
Considering the apparent collusion between the AGW crowd and the United States Department of Energy, let’s hope we see indictments of DOE staff and Steven Chu.
As far as the Goracle goes, he is rapidly becoming a laughing stock, something his ego is going to have major league trouble dealing with.
I predict [SNIP: You may be right but let’s not give him any such ideas or even be perceived as wishing such. -REP]
I agree with those who say China has a good reason to stop the CO2 climate change thing. By now, China is producing many products once made by the US and Europe. The US and Europe buy those products. Keeping the US and European economies functioning is good for Chinese sales. Just as important, western economies are hugely in debt to China (at least the US is, not so sure about Europe though). If the US and Europe fail, China will be greatly impacted. Just my opinion.
“I partly agree with what Prof. Ren said. and we have done some analysis on the urban heat island effect in China during past years. The results are differnt with Ren’s”
I’ve read elsewhere (uh, from comments over at Jo Nova I think) that “Ren” is what you can get when “Mann” is translated into Chinese characters then back to English.
regarDS