This is quite something. It is sort of a reverse “he who must not be named” meme, and we have a prominent meteorology dean dissing climate colleagues:
“When I listen to some of my colleagues who make the pronouncements they do, they come across as speaking on behalf of the Deity. This doesn’t work with Senators.” – John Snow, former Dean of the College of Geographic and Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Oklahoma
That is from this article by the Texas State Climatologist, Dr. John Nielsen-Gammon at his blog, here’s the setup:
John Snow, former Dean of the College of Geographic and Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Oklahoma, is one of the people working on this. Two weeks ago, he met with staffers of two representatives from Oklahoma. With both sets, the response was the same: “Don’t talk to us about climate. Now, what can we do for you?”
Curious about this, John N-G asked Snow – why? He writes:
They were perfectly willing to talk about weather and weather observations. They were even willing to talk about seasonal and interannual variability and long-range forecasting (which fall under the broad category of climate prediction and have major impacts on agriculture). But the basic message was consistent: Don’t use the c-word.
My first guess was that these were Democrats who had become shell-shocked at lack of success and loss of political capital with the pre-Copenhagen climate bill. But no, these were Republican congressmen who, as a matter of basic principle, were avoiding taking any active role in climate policy altogether.
I found it rather disconcerting to hear that my current profession (climatology) was viewed by our leaders as being so evil that it should be treated with the same respect as Lord Voldemort himself. So I asked John about why he thought the c-word had become so politically incorrect.
“I think it’s related to how some in our community laid out the climate change agenda and didn’t do a good job”, Snow said. “We need to get our own house in order for how we present the issues.”
Full article here
disconcerting???
Please step back from the ivory tower….
…no one needs to get hurt here
Warmists will simply claim that Snow is a thing of the past
The little guy woke up and realized he was being played by both the academics and the politicos.
Joe Public might have to work for a living, but no one detects the whiff of B.S. like the common man.
Why not add the f- word too …
then it can be climate fail
Yup, the “we just need to communicate better” meme again.
“When I listen to some of my colleagues who make the pronouncements they do, they come across as speaking on behalf of the Deity. This doesn’t work with Senators.” – John Snow, former Dean of the College of Geographic and Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Oklahoma
That is because they are speaking on behalf of the Deity. CO2 is a sky god.
“I think it’s related to how some in our community laid out the climate change agenda and didn’t do a good job”, Snow said.
Hang on, what is the agenda he is referring to? Shouldn’t it be about facts and science and stuff like that?
C-word indeed: Communication Collapse
I think we can ALL agree they need to get their house in order…
Climate change issues are becoming toxic, whenever another piece of climate bollocks appears on the telly everyone gets up and puts the kettle on, adding more plant food to the atmosphere.
I often wonder how many much co2 the anti nuke lobby is responsible for.
Hey, maybe the CO2=CAGW “Climate Scientists” should have actually done some real science instead of concentrating on destroying the functional meaning of science, reason, and also any other word they wanted to? Thanks to that intentional tactic, mainly designed to leave only wild emotions or an aural “aftertaste”, it seems fairly likely that by now no one can be sure what anyone else is even saying.
Well, Anthony, this guy thinks Republicans are Voldemort…
http://tinyurl.com/42fr2au
““I think it’s related to how some in our community laid out the climate change agenda and didn’t do a good job”, Snow said. “We need to get our own house in order for how we present the issues.”
Here we go again with the arrogant elitist meme that declares: “If we just PRESENTED THE ISSUES DIFFERENTLY, we would be vindicated.”
SICK.
It appears to me that Snow doesn’t have a frigging clue about reality. That comment is so disgusting that I cannot think of an adjective that is “low” enough to do justice (fortunately, I guess).
Has he not even read the Climategate stuff? Or the disgusting, corrupt misinformation resulting from the laughable faux “investigations” of Climategate? Or anything contrary to his obviously biased view?
“John Snow, former Dean of the College of Geographic and Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Oklahoma” One good thing is that he is the FORMER Dean. I hope the present Dean has more sense.
Since when do Representatives get to choose what concerns their constituents have and bring to them? Something is rotten in the state …
A friend of mine is an insomniac agnostic dyslexic
Poor bloke lies awake at night wondering if there`s dog.
Well, I guess I should be more positive, on second thought. The FACT that the public has NOT signed on to the CAGW meme indicates clearly that the CAGW terrorists, indeed, have not been successful in convincing the guys that tote guns in “fly-over country” that there is some truth in the CAGW nonsense. This is actually good news. Even the people in Russia during the USSR’s most intense propaganda campaigns in history LAUGHED at the “powers that be.”
But religions die hard.
The Bishop wrote
“We’ve been told we will be evicted if we mention climategate”
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/5/10/jones-live-blog.html
FWIW, Both Dr Snow & Judith Curry were profs at Purdue in the Earth & Atmospheric Science department while I was there back in the 80’s .
I think Dr. Snow may have chosen his words poorly, but the fact that he recognizes that many fellow climate scientists come off as pontificates (vs scientists) is generally a positive thing (and actually a message not dis-similar to Dr. Curry).
……”This doesn’t work with Senators.” – John Snow, former Dean of the College of Geographic and Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Oklahoma
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Note to John Snow, and “colleagues”:
Get out of the water before the feeding frenzy starts, Senators were raised by sharks.
When he was employed by the University, John Snow used to promote his CAGW beliefs constantly on FARK throughout the work day. Really, some days he would post several dozen long comments, right in the middle of the weekday. That’s one thing these feeders at the public trough have in common: they presume that it’s OK to spend the majority of their work time posting propaganda on juvenile blogs like FARK. They think misappropriation of public funds is their right, since they’re “saving the planet.” But it’s just theft of public funds.
We have a couple of them that do the same thing here, wasting time commenting when they’re supposed to be working. And of course there’s Gavin Schmidt, constantly posting on realclimate when he’s supposed to be working for the public…
I always wondered where the phrase “Snow Job” came from. I heard it often during the middle of the last century referring to an attempt to pull a scam based upon fast talking and verbal slight of hand (aka BS). Now I know. It came from observations of the failed pontifications of John Snow and/or his father. The whole CAGW gig is one huge snow job.
May 11, 2011 at 7:01 pm
““I think it’s related to how some in our community laid out the climate change agenda and didn’t do a good job”, Snow said. “We need to get our own house in order for how we present the issues.”
Here we go again with the arrogant elitist meme that declares: “If we just PRESENTED THE ISSUES DIFFERENTLY, we would be vindicated.”
SICK.
It appears to me that Snow doesn’t have a frigging clue about reality. That comment is so disgusting that I cannot think of an adjective that is “low” enough to do justice (fortunately, I guess).
Has he not even read the Climategate stuff? Or the disgusting, corrupt misinformation resulting from the laughable faux “investigations” of Climategate? Or anything contrary to his obviously biased view?
“John Snow, former Dean of the College of Geographic and Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Oklahoma” One good thing is that he is the FORMER Dean. I hope the present Dean has more sense.
This crap does’t help make our case for true science, come on people!!!
Lorne 50
Funny, soylent.
Here’s the comment after the pix (even funnier):
Anonymous said…
Republican factory owners killed your family and friends in the catastrophic blizzards, floods, tornadoes, massive wildfires and other climate change that has been wiping out the bible-belt. This is the Climate Change that their factories created. This is the Climate Change that the Republicans lie about not existing. This is the Climate Change that they program their constituents to deny exists. This is the Climate Change that killed people, destroyed homes, further destroyed the economy that the Republican factories emissions caused so they could make profits by killing those people. Republicans deny Climate Change at all costs in order to keep their factories from having to pay to stop it. The Climate Change that is destroying massive sections of our country can no longer be hidden or denied.
And so the damage to ALL science continues. Pity
Brian H says:
May 11, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Since when do Representatives get to choose what concerns their constituents have and bring to them? Something is rotten in the state …
Snow is not a constituent” of these (elected) representatives for the state.
He IS a lobbyist, a moralist, a screaming extremist propagandist for a Gaea-first CAGW theology that demands the right to manipulate the world’s energy and population for their own gains and sense of envir0-entitlement. As such a self-elected theocrat, Snow SHOULD BE ignored and vilified by the states (duly elected) representatives. Sadly, all too many (mostly democrat) elected members DO take the same attitude of command economy and socialism as THEIR right to control the world.