From: NewsOK.com
The coldest temperature ever recorded in Oklahoma was set today.
The Oklahoma Mesonet weather station at Nowata reached minus 31 degrees Fahrenheit actual temperature at 7:40 a.m. today. That will be considered for the official state record.
That mark eclipses the previous all-time record low state temperature of minus 27 degrees, set at at Vinita, Feb. 13, 1905, and Watts, Jan. 18, 1930.
Also, the Mesonet station at Medford recorded a wind chill of minus 47 degrees at 7:45 a.m. setting a Mesonet record.
The Oklahoma Mesonet, which began in 1994, has 120 stations throughout Oklahoma.
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Hey Watts, you just went down! 🙂
Where is the -31F:
“That’s me in the corner. That’s me in the spotlight. I’m Losing my global warming religion…
Fahrenheit scale sucks.
For the rest, it is -35°C.
Any stock picks in the plumbing industry?
5, 4, 3, 2, 1
“In other news today, Al Gore explained the at the record cold temperatures in Oklahoma today are actually caused by runaway Global Warming and this was predicted many years ago by all Mr. Gore, but just overlooked.
But the high CO2 level makes it feel a lot warmer!
You know….
When they break a high record by one degree, you hear it everywhere….
4 degrees below the 81 year record, and not a word
Just in time to coincide with Sen. Jim Inhofe’s announcement of his upcoming book release, titled “The Hoax”!
http://www.newsok.com/oklahoma-u.s.-sen.-jim-inhofe-promotes-global-warming-skepticism-and-his-book-at-house-hearing/article/3539479?custom_click=pod_lead_politics
I broke -20 last night, that broke the record here in NW Arkansas, we also broke the snow record yesterday. Not bad. I went to bed with them calling for 2-5 inches of snow….we ended up with 25.5 inches.
The last time a state set an all time temperature record was 16 years ago…
Half of the all time state records are still set in the 1930’s, but I am sure that the United States is still much warmer today than back then. All the station data says that we are much warmer today than back in the 1930’s.
[ryanm: where are you getting your info from? even Wikipedia has a different story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes ]
So global warming is turning Oklahoma into Siberia…. and that was real measured temperature not wind chills…wow
I think I’ll go put on another jacket…
I’m nowhere near Oklahoma, but that just makes me feel colder. Brrrrrr…..
That site is obviously in a highly unrepresentative micro-climate. Interesting, but not suitable for accurate climate predictions. Either that, or somebody put a block of dry ice next to the sensor.
But all true believers in AGW know that record cold is merely weather and not a sign of global warming/climate change/ climate disruption.
Now if it had been record hot ….
Sigh
Richard
“That mark eclipses the previous all-time record low state temperature of minus 27 degrees, set at at Vinita, Feb. 13, 1905, and Watts, Jan. 18, 1930.”
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Anthony – they starting naming weather stations after you before you existed. I’m impressed.
REPLY: Oh, I existed, but in a state of widely scattered atoms – Anthony
I’m getting cold just reading all of your comment. It makes one want to go a warm-weather vacation … in the Arctic.
First, -31 in either Fahrenheit or Centigrade is really, really cold. Second, Fahrenheit works better for weather since the majority of measurements fall within the range of 0 to 100, and is a bit higher resolution eliminating the need for fractions. Third, it is a trivial conversion. You are just not accustomed to its use.
All records are unofficial until reviewed by Hansen. /sarc
Note that five stations in Oklahoma either tied or exceeded the previous all-time state record low, including Bartlesville which is not shown on the included temperature map (nor are other ASOS sites such as Tulsa, etc.). So, even if the -31F at Nowata were thrown out, there would still be plenty of other sites to choose from. The most impressive temperature on that map may be the -22F at Bixby, on the south side of Tulsa. It is quite evident though that the sites in valleys are far colder than those in higher elevation areas, as would be expected with an arctic air mass, calm winds, and 10-30″ of snow on the ground in most areas.
It’s the winter tornadoes sucking all the hot air up which must be replaced by cold air from the shrinking arctic. Nothing new–citrus groves are dying from Georgia to Texas–have been for decades. But CO2 beats a fog pot any day. Sarc my ass.
For those interested, this is the Nowata Mesonet Station:
http://www.mesonet.org/index.php/sites/site_description/nowa
The Oklahoma Mesonet uses standardized sites that report automatically every few minutes.
OK S.
Rest assured that, no matter how cold it gets, GISS will adjust it to the Warmest Evah.
http://www.wunderground.com/global/AA.html
That’s the Antarctica page. It seems many of the temps there are warmer than Oklahoma.
Did Al make an unscheduled appearance in Oklahoma yesterday?
Its been a bit unseasonably cold up north of the 45th, -10F or worse since Sat., but -31F in OK? ‘Unprecedented cooling’ if you ask them.
Coldest Temperature Ever Recorded in Oklahoma: -31F today
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1. How much more AGW do you people need to come out of denial!
or,
2. Since it’s been proven that, at least for 2010/11, cold winter=global warming, why are you posting this in support of a skeptical view? Seems like what you’re doing is just showing us how extreme the heat is getting due to that massive blanket of CO2 over our heads!
or (this might be the last one),
3. How do you people get off cherry picking local temperatures that are clearly just weather. It’s not like us warmists did that during the Russian heatw… oh, well… go back to number two and STFU!!!
Looking at the panoramic photo by clicking the, “View panorama of this site” link from the Oklahoma Mesonet web location for the Nowata station (http://www.mesonet.org/index.php/sites/site_description/nowa); wow, that’s a pretty nice looking station located in a fairly representative area of the local geography. Anyways; Burrrrr!
rbateman says:
February 10, 2011 at 10:58 am
Rest assured that, no matter how cold it gets, GISS will adjust it to the Warmest Evah.
He may not get the chance. The GOP has called for a reduction of $379million in NASA’s budget.
stephen richards says:
February 10, 2011 at 11:11 am
He may not get the chance. The GOP has called for a reduction of $379million in NASA’s budget.
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Gosh, I hope they don’t have to farm out the muslim outreach program too!
@ Sunfighter (10:26 am post): We recently had a dump like that over a 48 hour period and it was enough to turn many of us winter weather-hardened Canuckers into crybabies. At the end of the snow we had almost 70 cm`s on the ground and it took our experienced team of grader operators over two weeks to catch up on clean-up in the city. Still, we did not break any old standing snowfall records from the 1950s.
25 inches is pretty brutal. I imagine people there are having a hard time coping. Good luck! Good thing global warming froze all of that precipitation into snow for ya`ll or there would surely be massive flooding!
/sarc
@ OK S.
Usually the really freak kind of cold records, such as Tower, MN’s -60, occur in valleys. That station is most definitely not in a valley. Truly amazing, considering how many places, scattered across a hundred miles, tied or broke that old record.
Everyone knows that warmer air can hold more cold air, hence the low temperatures. All of this was predicted by the models.
So that’s where [our] -30F went
-35 C ? That’s nothing here in Norway.
Magnus says:
February 10, 2011 at 11:00 am
Your # 2 is not proven, no matter how the data is analysed.
If warmer than ever air/sea water is getting up to the Arctic, then the Polar Air masses that get down this way must be likewise warmed up, else the heat that travelled up to the Arctic is missing.
I repeat, the heat that has travelled up to the Arctic is not accounted for by the coldest ever Arctic Air masses getting down stateside.
Your heat is just as much missing as Trenberth’s, and the travesty is measured in the millions of lives that are impacted this morning across the greater portion of a shivering America.
“”””” slp says:
February 10, 2011 at 10:47 am
Juraj V. says:
February 10, 2011 at 10:00 am
Fahrenheit scale sucks.
For the rest, it is -35°C.
First, -31 in either Fahrenheit or Centigrade is really, really cold. Second, Fahrenheit works better for weather since the majority of measurements fall within the range of 0 to 100, and is a bit higher resolution eliminating the need for fractions. Third, it is a trivial conversion. You are just not accustomed to its use. “””””
That’s about the weakest rationalization for some choice, that I have ever read.
And if it’s a trivial conversion, then nobody should have any problem converting from Celcius to Fahrenheit, should they ?
Since the extreme range of temperatures on earth, not counting volcanoes, is about +/- 90 deg C, what is so special about zero to 100 deg F
Well we could easily fix the resolution of the Celcius thermometer, by simply making the boiling point of water to be 1000 deg C, instead of 100; there problem solved and almost five times more resolution than Fahrenheit.
This argument is about as sensible as asking who wants to buy “2 x 4 s” in 30.48 cm increments.
The F scale was dumb when it was invented, and time hasn’t made it any less dumb.
Roughly 10 days ago we hit -47 F. in Fraser Colorado. But I didn’t hear anyone mention a record. I believe the state record is around -61. I’m hoping that it kills some of the pine borer beetles up there.
4th generation Okie here . . . The lowest temp I remember was -10 in 1976. The electricity went out, too. Even though the wall heater had gas heat, the blower was electric. So you couldn’t tell the house had heat at all!
Today it got down to -15 before I left for work.
BTW some of the forecasts have us up in the 70s in about a week. Yeah, we have 4 seasons here. Sometimes all in the same month!
It was -23F here this morning and the power was off for 2 hours. I suspect they were rationing the electricity. Thank goodness for the wood stove. Last week I thought -7F was cold.
How can this be? They keep telling me that CO2 traps heat!
John Kehr said: “The last time a state set an all time temperature record was 16 years ago…”
This is not true. A new state record low for Maine was officially recognized at -50 F on Jan 16, 2009: http://capitalclimate.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-maine-all-time-record-low.html
My complements to Anthony Watts. Who else could slip in an REM song lyric so seamlessly?
I grew up in Michigan and lived in Amarillo,TX for a little over 10 years (long enough to know how to speak fluent Texan). The worst snow storm I had ever encountered happened back in the early 90s in Amarillo (which is only a few hundred miles directly east of OK City). I was smart enough to stay home from work when the snow started. Even though I had a 4WD truck I never would have made it home. My wife was (trapped) out of town and I was literally snowed in for 4 days with a horse, 3 dogs and 2 cats to take care of. It was bitterly cold. There were areas of bare ground right next to 15 foot drifts. I had to wait for a front end loader to show up and clear the road. As luck would have it I had stocked up on beer and provisions the day before the storm hit so I rode it out OK. As they say in that corridor of I-40 – there’s nothing between them and the arctic circle except barb wire fences.
All time record low in a state breaking a record from 106 years ago. I don’t care too much about the day to day temperature records since those can be set very frequently just based on timing of the cold/warm air masses from year to year, but an All time Record low by 4 degrees F, that’s impressive and noteworthy
John Kerr,
Actually, no. It’s surprisingly hard to find current data for highs by state, but it looks like South Dakota had its daily high in 2006, and Utah may have in 2007, etc.
Regarding the 1930’s:
The GISS contiguous 48 state US data says that the average anomaly of the last 11 years was 0.67 deg C ( source: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt )
To compare:
– 4 years in the 1930’s were hotter than this *in the US* (1931, 1934, 1938, 1939).
– Several other years in the 1930’s (in the US) were not very hot.
– The 11 year average anomaly for 1930-1940 was 0.39 deg C. (again, for the US48), 0.28 deg C lower than this decade- about half of the global difference for the same periods-
– For reference, the difference for the average anomaly between 2000-2010 and 1930-1940 for the Global Land-Ocean Temperature Index is 0.56 degrees.
Source: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/ (you can come back here after to cleanse yourself)
Sunfighter–you just misunderstood. They didn’t say 2-5 inches, they said 22 5 inches. See, they were only off by 3 inches.
Forecast for the next ten days.
http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp1.html
Febuary History of US
http://climvis.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/cag3/hr-display3.pl
Will we beat 1936? Febuary average 32.5.
All this AGW is bound to spark a revolution just like it did in Eqypt according to Paul Krugman!
Well, the wind velocity portion of the temperature is not being factored in. Didn’t the warmists claim that the missing troposheric hot zone (AGWs fingerprint) is there if you include energy associated with wind velocity?
I feel it now. Don’t all you Oklahomans feel it? Warm, isn’t it.
Not just plumbers but roofers and remodelers …. If you’re short on work, head for Okla. Heavy snow followed by extreme cold, on roofs that aren’t designed for it = lots of bent or weakened roofs, and nearly universal ice dams, nearly universal leaks and floods when it starts to thaw.
It is interesting to consider the practical consequences of such low temperatures. I had a large tanker in drydock in Sweden, in winter. The temperature was in the minus 30’s (C). That was the air temperature. The river water was about minus 4C. So the yard informed me that they were going to flood the dock and float the ship out, onto a repair berth. I mentioned the temperature differential, which they ignored, after all they were Swedish, experts in this weather, whereas I was what? An Englishman, didn’t know nothing about cold. True but I could imagine a huge temperature differential having a negative effect. So I wrote them a protest note, holding them responsible, copy to my boss, in Monaco. My boss, in temperatures of about 12C, considered I was a bit of a wimp, told me to trust the yard’s experience. Well, I didn’t, but I was covered. So the flooding went ahead. The ship was 55000 tons, and the volume of the dock was perhaps 100,000 tons. So all this warm -4C water surged in (it’s quite exciting witnessing a large drydock flooding) the -35C dock, and suddenly with a loud bang, the ship split in two. So they had to insert a completely new midsection, at their own expense. You must be careful of cold in more ways than one.
Doesn’t it have to be “homogenized” before we know if its a record? From what I recall, this will require a “downward homogenization” of prior temperature records, at which point this will be the 3rd from coldest temperature recorded.
Dr. Dave says: “…As they say in that corridor of I-40 – there’s nothing between them and the arctic circle except barb wire fences…”
…An’ half o’ the barbs is blown offa them.
Snow all the way to the Gulf of Mexico, too:
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/snow_model/images/full/National/nsm_swe/201102/nsm_swe_2011021005_National.jpg
@ Peter Melia
“The river water was about minus 4C”
Are you sure it wasn’t plus 4C?
But the temp record is unreliable… Remember??
And the weather stations, they are located in poor spots… Remember?? We can’t trust any of it….
Bah-dah-bang!!
Hehe
LOL……run away Man Caused Global Warming……..”Oh, no!” as Mr. Bill would say….”I’m melting!!!!”
What you good people don’t realise is that this is just the weather and not the climate UNLESS it’s a record high temp.
/SARC/
slp says:
February 10, 2011 at 10:47 am
First, -31 in either Fahrenheit or Centigrade is really, really cold. Second, Fahrenheit works better for weather since the majority of measurements fall within the range of 0 to 100
Perhaps the title of the article should be:
“Coldest Temperature Ever Recorded in Oklahoma: really, really cold today”.
This alternative title would then cater to everyone’s needs since 31 in either Fahrenheit or Centigrade is “really, really cold” and we all know what really really cold feels like.
Actually, Celsius is much more convenient. Water boils at 100°C and freezes at 0°C. Water is one of the most abundant compounds on earth and an integral part of the water cycle including aspects of weather so it would make sense to use a scale that can be easily related to the properties of water.
Robb876 says:
February 10, 2011 at 12:26 pm
But the temp record is unreliable… Remember??
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Robb, these are raw numbers….
….pre-homogenizer. You know you need a multi-million dollar computer to process them correctly………
Record Lows Higher Due to Global Warming Say Scientists (insert name of MSM birdcage liner here) _____________. And through the looking glass we go to sojourn in climatist wonderland.
Tilo Reber says @ February 10, 2011 at 11:35 am:
“I’m hoping that [the cold] kills some of the pine borer beetles up there.”
Apparently, it is not the lack of cold temperatures that is enabling the pine beetles to wreck havoc on Pines. To some extent, the presence of humans and their buildings are helping pine beetles survive over winter; however, the major factor seems to be the suppression of forest fires. I have been to Colorado where the blame is on AGW — the effect of the pine beetles is devastating. I have also been to the Black Hills, where they took steps to thin out the trees. The health of the forest is remarkable, and the pine beetle seems to be in check.
Gee Robb876,
You clearly haven’t looked at the UHI weather stations and their siting. This site appears to make a 2 or even a 1 catagory, unlike the majority of the others.
You see, most of us on this site care about quality data, and thanks to Anthony, most of us can recognize a quality station when we see it.
“”A.D. 1817 —- In 1271 the Danish chronicle states that a strong wind from the north-west carried to Iceland a large quantity of ice, laden with a number of bears….
….and much wood….
The Greenland whalers in the winter of 1816-1817 found that the same thing had taken place on an extraordinary scale. No less than 18,000 sq miles of ice had broken loose from the anchorage of centuries, and came plunging and whirling south and west, filling the bays and creeks of Iceland, wandering even to Labrador and Newfoundland, and disappearing only into the Gulf stream. “”
Obviously there must have been a thriving lumber business in Greenland at one time..
… and it was unprecedented
thanks to Steve Goddard for this: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/hey-mike-check-these-mwp-tree-rings-from-greenland/#comments
We’re talking ecosystem damage. This is how real evolution / succession happens. We are entering an unexplored domain (at least from the perspective of Civilized Man).
Nature bats last …
It was 71F at the beach in Santa Monica yesterday, took the day off with my bride. I do NOT miss Colorado or Wisconsin winters.
Sorry, lost the [smug] and [/smug] tags surrounding that last post 🙂
Dr. Dave.
Amarillo is WEST of Oklahoma City.
MAtt
We got down to -28 F a couple of weeks ago. That’s cold enough for me!
I thought moisture helped the pine trees drown out the borer beetles. It’s droughts that benefit the beetles, leaving the trees defenseless.
15″ of snow on the Upper Buffalo wilderness area, I missed it!
-35 is NOT the same as M35.
Meanwhile, here in the “inland area of northeast Ohio” (NWS
description of Akron-Canton Airport readings) for the months
Dec 2010 monthly average temp was -6.6 F below “normal”
Jan 2011 monthly average temp was -3.1 F below “normal”
Feb (as of 9th) monthly average temp was -3.3 F below “normal”
…without a single record high or low temperature reading for the
period.
See:
http://www.weather.gov/climate/getclimate.php?wfo=cle
Tonight (Thursday) we may get down to around 10 F with
a toasty 25 F for Friday… again, way below “normal”.
Just the facts, ma’m.
I live just a few miles NE of that -31. I’m not sure how cold it was at my house, but nearest town of over 1000 pop., reported a -23. It had been a long time since I experienced cold like that. The last time I remember weather like this in this area was in the late 70s early 80s, but then I don’t remember it getting this cold.
Would somebody please shut the refrigerator door or something, I’m really tired of this heat generated cold. Or, as some of us would term it, warmcold.
This just blows my mind! I’m a proud former resident of Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, and folks, they just ain’t prepared for these types of temps down there! I feel sorry for the residents & livestock both.
Here’s the map to overlay onto the temp readings:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
-31 F is about as cold as I can remember in St. Cloud, MN! Amazing, I wonder what weather phenomenon caused this dip? Clear, cloudless night, or Alberta Clipper, or…?
Anthony, what’s your explanation?
Sorry, the the link I gave wont’ work unless you’ve
already gone in through:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/
clicked “local” under the “forecasts” on the side bar, then
on the “NWS offices and centers” page under Ohio you
click on the “Cleveland” link.
Substitute whatever city you want for climate information
in your area.
>> John Kehr says:
February 10, 2011 at 10:26 am
The last time a state set an all time temperature record was 16 years ago…
[ryanm: where are you getting your info from? even Wikipedia has a different story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes ] <<
In either case, statistically the 2000's have been low on records. Looking at the wikipedia list, two low records and two high records were set since Jan 1 2000(assuming I read it right). With 100 total records, the oldest in 1893, one would expect about 8 or 9 set in an average decade, not merely four. This adds another nail in the coffin to the claim that the climate is becoming more extreme.
Including the supposedly global-warmed 1990's, 15 records were set, 7 high and 8 low, still below average and with no preponderance of highs.
re: Magnus – don’t count on the crutch of a /sarc tag (lame) to know when someone’s pulling your leg!
and to Magnus – well played, sir! LOL!
Didn’t see this addressed; I address it to jae and of course, the crowd from RC and other similar, related haunts:
Well, where was the ‘heat’ that CO2 traps in the atmosphere last night in OK?
Clear skies, reduced wind … maybe, just maybe it (heat energy, from exposed earth surface features, incl. trees, and man-made objects that weren’t snow covered) was radiated off into ‘space’ significantly unencumbered by any encounters with CO2 molecules?
All cooling be due to IR (EM) radiation, with is proportional to T (temperature) to the 4th power perhaps?
Did you guys have any experiments in place to measure the rate-of-drop with some correlation to CO2 content in the atmosphere?
Those are the kinds of experiments we would need conducted iff any of you guys were serious …
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“For those interested, this is the Nowata Mesonet Station:
http://www.mesonet.org/index.php/sites/site_description/nowa
The Oklahoma Mesonet uses standardized sites that report automatically every few minutes.
OK S.”
Clearly this can’t be an official site. Where is the asphalt and concrete, the burn barrels, the exhaust fans from the ac/heating units, the local jet engine rebuilding facility? Just unacceptable, what are they trying to do, undermine CAGW? /sarc
Coming this fall to The History Channel…
Ice Road Truckers: Oklahoma.
Robb876 says:
February 10, 2011 at 12:26 pm
But the temp record is unreliable… Remember??
I think most of the criticisms were that the readings were generally too high – which makes the current lows even lower, in all likelihood.
In Oklahoma, the freeze sooner!
One of the benefits of very cold air temps like that is you can chill down a six pack in just a couple of minutes or make a tray of ice for Margeritas really fast.
When Mother Nature freezes your butt off . . . time to bust out the tequila and salt.
>> George E. Smith says:
February 10, 2011 at 11:34 am
Since the extreme range of temperatures on earth, not counting volcanoes, is about +/- 90 deg C, what is so special about zero to 100 deg F <<
I agree with slp. Fahrenheit is much friendlier for weather.
It's true that the full range of planetary temperatures is about 100 C (or K) degrees, but most people don't experience Antarctic temperatures, except on rare occasions such as this. Typically the temperature range in most major cities goes from 0F (or warmer) to 100F, with anything outside that range extreme enough to warrant staying indoors. It doesn't matter whether it's -1F or -20F, in either case it's just too **** cold.
There are a few desert cities where temperatures regularly exceed 100F, but even there the range between 50-100C is not needed. Half the positive two-digit values are wasted in weathercasting in Celsius.
Matt says:
February 10, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Dr. Dave.
Amarillo is WEST of Oklahoma City.
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Yes…I feel like an idiot for not proof reading my post. I wanted to say that OK City is only a few hundred mile east of Amarillo. In my defense I was sitting at home and the plumber just showed up to install a new water heater. I was distracted. Sorry…but I NEED a good long hot shower and a nice, hot, wet shave to feel human again.
wws says:
February 10, 2011 at 1:52 pm
re: Magnus – don’t count on the crutch of a /sarc tag (lame) to know when someone’s pulling your leg!
and to Magnus – well played, sir! LOL!
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Had no idea it could be taken seriously, LOL. I guess it is an honest mistake since people probably often just skims through the comments and answer when annoyed by stupidity.
“So the flooding went ahead. The ship was 55000 tons, and the volume of the dock was perhaps 100,000 tons. So all this warm -4C water surged in (it’s quite exciting witnessing a large drydock flooding) the -35C dock, and suddenly with a loud bang, the ship split in two. … You must be careful of cold in more ways than one.” – Peter Melia
“A 400 foot long ship will change 15 inches in length from a 50f temperature difference. If the outside hull was suddenly cooled by 50F internal bulkheads would break.” – S.R.
“That’s me in the corner. That’s me in the spotlight. I’m Losing my
global warmingreligion…”Apparently the crabs in Antarctica have found religion!
http://news.discovery.com/animals/king-crabs-antarctic-waters-110208.html
Regarding Farenheit : Oklahoma is part of the US and we use degrees F here . Just remember – “When in Rome , do as the Romanians .” ( Capt. Paul Washburn ) .
Hey, democrat d-bags!
MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX!
As the heat leaves the oceans, and the Sun is QUIET, these will be remembered as the good old “Global Warming Days”.
The best beer/tequila chilling days are yet to come!
Check out -> http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif
watch the heat leave the oceans.
New, very important temperatures:
Fahrenheit = -37.89º
Celsius = -38.83º
Kelvin = 234.32
The limiting point for “Global Warming”; the freezing point of Mercury…
It’s cute how Europeans cling to the the Centigrade scale and think it’s more “scientific”. The fall of Great Britain came after they adopted the metric system, then let in the EU. 😉
Buncha’ wusses up there in Oklahoma. If it ever got that cold here in Houston, we’d be out in our shorts and t-shirts.
But seriously, we spent a week that cold up in North Dakota back in the 70’s. Nothing you can’t handle with arctic gear. I do recall that the fluorescent lights in my garage wouldn’t work.
I’d bet nobody up there has an engine block heater on his car. You can always put a work light with a 100 watt bulb under the hood to keep things a bit warmer. At least until they do away with tungsten bulbs.
Curiously, the Nowata station is NOT in the USHCN data base. Maybe it’s too far away from parking lots, large buildings, freshly plowed fields and tarmac to qualify.
Last Sunday I rode my motorcycle in jeans and a T-Shirt.
I’m in the California high desert.
Oh yes… /smug
kwik says:
February 10, 2011 at 11:29 am
-35 C ? That’s nothing here in Norway.
You *DO* realize that Oklahoma is on the same latitude as Northern Africa, right? This makes my four degrees Fahrenheit this morning feel toasty. I’ve seen -40F a couple of times in New Mexico, in the 70s and again in the 80s. Wasn’t bad once the sun comes out.
I was amazed that my old truck started this morning. My wx station reported -5 at 5:00 and -6 at 06:00….it was freakishly cold here in OKC. But it’s just weather, forecast if for 70 by Tuesday.
It’s a very confusing state.
Down under (Australia) we went metric about 40 years ago. Locally (Adelaide Hills) we get temperatures between -7C and 40C. You soon work out which is which.
The “ball” for switching to metric was started in the USA, who said that the country would go metric SOON. Obviously you decided to wait for AGW to happen first.
Curiously, our Bureau of Meteorology (a hotbed of warmists if I may use that term) has announced that 2010 was the COOLEST year of the warmest decade (rats exit left?).
By the way, minus 40 is the same in Fahrenheit or Celsius.
Here’s a neat story about us Okies…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_winter_weather
Much like my neighborhood where all pull together, always.
wsbriggs says:
February 10, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Gee Robb876,
You clearly haven’t looked at the UHI weather stations and their siting. This site appears to make a 2 or even a 1 catagory, unlike the majority of the others.
…..
Well, the photo of this one has to be fake… And that temp reading is just part of a big conspiracy aimed at making plants grow… (co2 is good for plants ya know….) hehe
I’m a global cooling denier… Get it??
Zip!! Zow
Briggs says:
February 10, 2011 at 11:27 am
Everyone knows that warmer air can hold more cold air
LOL! 🙂
Robert says:
February 10, 2011 at 11:53 am
All time record low in a state breaking a record from 106 years ago.
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That would be just at the end of the Little Ice Age.
oldgamer56 says:
February 10, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Clearly this can’t be an official site. Where is the asphalt and concrete, the burn barrels, the exhaust fans from the ac/heating units, the local jet engine rebuilding facility? Just unacceptable, what are they trying to do, undermine CAGW?
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LOL! Very good!
I had someone try to tell me that higher snowfalls were projected in the last IPCC report. So I had to show him that precipitation was actually below normal. Cold air doesn’t hold as much water as warm air obviously!
I wonder if people will start to believe that low solar activity results in colder temps. It’s either that or a big coincidence! And the La Niña combined with the negative phase of the AO.
I thought Oklahoma got cold. That was only 31f below “0”. I’ve seen 41f below “0” in California! Oh well, old time ranchers told me that there was nothing between Texas and the north pole but a few barbwire fences, and also Oklahoma. pg
@A G Foster February 10, 2011 at 10:52 am:
Yes, that infamous anti-thermo-haline circulation (-ATHC), which brings the benefic tornadic air flow that give Oklahoma its wonderful continental climate. /snarc
/super snarc: I take it this is before CRU gets hold of the data, right?
I can verify that it was as cold as I’ve ever seen in my 36 years here in Mayes County, OK. My thermometer showed -18 at 6:45. It may have been colder than that before I woke up. Ridiculously cold. I thought I had frostbite on my hands before my truck got warm on my way to work and I was wearing fleece lined leather gloves and was inside my truck!!!
polistra says:
February 10, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Not just plumbers but roofers and remodelers …. If you’re short on work, head for Okla. Heavy snow followed by extreme cold, on roofs that aren’t designed for it = lots of bent or weakened roofs…
Not to worry, in Oklahoma we usually get a lot worse weather for our roofs. Ice storms and high winds. Most of us have new roofs anyway due to the 1 – 4 inch hailstones from last summers storms. Extreme Climate Change is call tomorrow in OK.
Latitude says:
February 10, 2011 at 10:24 am
You know….
When they break a high record by one degree, you hear it everywhere….
4 degrees below the 81 year record, and not a word
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In February of 1996, the official state record was broken by 1 deg F.
It was a freakin party in Minnesota with TV coverage from several stations and science demonstrations like a styrofoam cup full of hot water thrown into the air and watching it go phoooof into a fog that soon dissipated into nothing in the single digit humidity air.
The NWS box finally showed -60 degs F and the crowd went wild, yes, there was a crowd.
They then proceeded to take a handheld gauge, reading the same temp, and they walked about 200 yds to a hollow where it read -70 degs F.
We take our cold very seriously……in Minnesota……and we’re not in the least embarrassed…..even if it happened in Embarrass, MN. The offical town used is Tower, but it happened at Embarrass also……where all the hoopala was.
Fred from Canuckistan says:
February 10, 2011 at 2:37 pm
One of the benefits of very cold air temps like that is you can chill down a six pack in just a couple of minutes or make a tray of ice for Margeritas really fast.
When Mother Nature freezes your butt off . . . time to bust out the tequila and salt.
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Is the beer just outside the fishhouse on Lake Winnipeg?
I used to live in Minnesota/North Dakota, back in the day.
How do you walk to school, uphill, both ways?
When a gale wind, in the winter, is to your front walking to school, and then the wind changes 180 deg’s by the time you you get out of school……well I imagine this is where some of the stories come from.
Interstate highway 40 has a 75 + mile westbound parking lot from almost West Memphis to N. Little Rock I’m told. Eastbound was sometimes crawling along real slow also.
Remember when Olympian skier Picabo Street led the keep winters cool campaign a few years ago.
Look at this winter in Colorado:
http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20110210/NEWS/110219992/1078&ParentProfile=1055
Breckenridge has already passed last years snow totals with the snowiest part of the season still to come.
>> He may not get the chance. The GOP has called for a reduction of $379million in NASA’s budget.
NASA’s Global Warming (boondoggle) budget is a whopping $1 Billion.
Given that, it looks like the GOP is about to fail miserably, in that they left $621 Million to much. Shame, shame, shame on the GOP. /sarc
No need to cry for NASA, even with the reduction their budget would be a whopping $18.6 Billion.
>> Extreme Climate Change is call tomorrow in OK.
Okie Windsock — 2-feet of chain bolted to a fence post
Is this weather station near or on an airport?
Hey, we want our cold back here in Canada. It’s one of the primary things that sets us apart from Americans, that ability to survive under cold conditions and the smugness that comes from functioning in -40 F temperatures while the effete Americans complain about temperatures close to freezing.
Kamloops today was an unseasonable 34 F (when I set my jeeps display to read in mpg it gives temperatures in F degrees). This is completely unacceptable and it should be 0 F or lower at this time of year. I’m seeing too many slip and fall injuries at the clinic due to the ice that forms due the fluctuation of temperature above and below 32 degrees when I should be seeing more interesting stuff. People are depressed because it’s too warm. Our sled dogs are overheating in their winter coats and people are having heatstroke from donning their traditional winter clothes out of habit.
Oklahoma colder than the frozen north?! Just ship all of that frozen air back to us and we’ll send you this unwelcome warmth so we can get back into our normal state of winter superiority at being far colder than Americans.
Thanks for pointing it out, Anthony. We Sooners appreciate it. Yep, it’s been cold. But our snow piles may be gone by next week. Mid-70s seem to be in store. (We made 76°F just two weeks ago.) Will Rogers regularly joked about how rapidly our weather could change. 100°F swings in ten days, and then back in five more–must be why I cannot get excited about predictions of average temperature increases of fractions of a degree per decade. 😉
In my Twitter feed, the story between the previous and next WUWT posts was shown as follows: ‘Coldest month of December in the modern climate record’ for UK http://wp.me/p7y4l-8LC“. The link didn’t work and the entire post seems to have been replaced by this story about OK. Anything up?
REPLY: It’s an old story from last month, just a glitch during managing the blog. – Anthony
A primary reason for the mesonet is the tornadoes we deal with every year.
http://www.mesonet.org/index.php/site/about
oldgamer56 posted the Nowata link above. I didn’t plot the coordinates, but I don’t think it is near the airport, if you can call a crop-duster strip an airport. The airport is just north of town, and town is hardly more than the intersection of US 60 and US 169. (Populaiton close to four thousand.)
We need to record these lowest temperatures and the highest temperatures to see how many records have been broken.
Or does anyone know of an accessible resource that is already doing this ?
32 F = freezing pt of pure water at sea level.
212 F = boiling pt of same
0 F = freezing pt of water with maximum dissolved salt, I think
Makes sense to me.
Fahrenheit rocks!
-31 F in OK is very cold.
Heard from Trenberth’s office:
“Who didn’t get the memo? Hide the decline! It’s three f*/%ing words!”
To get that cold, I bet the small “core” of the arctic high must have made it there intact without major modification. It could only do that by moving quickly there with snow-cover all the way south along its path to OK.
When I was in SW Virginia in Feb 1996, a “core” did the same thing a mere hundred miles to the west. In Blacksburg VA, I was only -8F, but a small cluster of counties in extreme SW Va had all-time lows of -25F to -28F, close to the state all-time record of -30F, which was set Jan 1985 at Mountain Lake (4000′ elevation) near Blacksburg.
George E. Smith: The F scale was dumb when it was invented, and time hasn’t made it any less dumb.
It’s easy to say that in retrospect, but version 0.1 of anything often seems dumb. As the first “official” temperature scale, what would you have proposed he use as his reference points?
Remember, before the Farenheit scale, no one knew that water boiled at the same temperature all the time at atmoshperic pressure, because there was no such thing as temperature. They also didn’t know that it froze at the same point all the time. It may seem obvious now that boiling point should be defined as 100 degrees and freezing point of pure water 0 degrees. And it probably seemed obvious when Celsius came up with that scale decades later. Of course, by that point, there had been about 30 years of research on the physical properties of water using the Farenheit scale that told Celsius pure water always boiled and froze at the same point under constant pressure, and what that constant pressure was.
Farenheit chose a cold reference point that he knew from experiment he could always recreate perfectly and two warmer points that he thought he could recreate close to perfectly (pure water freezing and blood temperature.) Whether he was wrong about the last two or not, they served as solid reference points for his bleeding edge work. And since he was first, his became the standard, right or wrong.
You also must remember that scales that are evenly divisible by 10 seem obvious now because we have them, but at the time of the Farenheit definition, no such scales existed as standards. So instead of making only one advance — the measurement of temperature — he would have had to make two advances, the second one being mathematical and representative in nature. Since he was a physical scientist, it seems unlikely he would have thought in those terms.
As evidence about whether this was dumb at the time, it took over 30 years for someone to suggest using the boiling point and freezing point of water as the two reference points for a temperature scale that would start at 0 and end at 100.
Farenheit’s decision seems dumb now, when viewed in the context of the research that was enabled by his work, a prime example of the chicken and the egg conundrum.
Fahrenheit scale sucks.
For the rest, it is -35°C.
I agree
Fahrenheit is only used in the USA, Palau, Jamaica, Belize and Liberia. The rest of the World use Celsius.
Here in BC, we now pay a 20% carbon tax (ca $1 per gigajoule) on the commodity price of nat gas (ca $5 per gigajoule), and there is no provision for really extreme weather events.
The carbon tax on nat gas will increase to $1.60 per gigajoule in July 2012. At the time the rate of the carbon tax on fossil fuels will be $30 per ton of CO2 equivalent.
John A. Fleming says: “That site is obviously in a highly unrepresentative micro-climate. Interesting, but not suitable for accurate climate predictions. Either that, or somebody put a block of dry ice next to the sensor.”
No one said it is “predictive”. Don’t worry, all the master manipulators need to do is eliminate that station and the world will be warmer once again.
Get your head out of the sand, or YOU will be left behind. It might take a while, but mother nature will win out and kick your butt!
George E Smith says:
“…This argument is about as sensible as asking who wants to buy “2 x 4 s” in 30.48 cm increments.
The F scale was dumb when it was invented, and time hasn’t made it any less dumb.”
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It’s not clear what you’re swinging at with your metric 2X4, but it bears pointing out that just measuring pieces of wood doesn’t get houses built and it certainly doesn’t get them repaired or renovated.
It’s quite convenient that, although a 2×4 doesn’t actually measure 2 anythings by 4 anythings, it didn’t 30 years ago, either, so even a dumb carpenter can modify a wall or replace a joist.
Wow! Oklahoma (approx. 0.05% of the earths surface) is cold and set a record and EVERYBODY here thinks global warming is a scam. However when 19 NATIONS covering more than a quarter of the earths land surface (or roughly 200 times larger than Oklahoma) set all-time heat records in 2010 this blog was strangely quiet.
What’s Up With That!
And why are there no comments about the abnormally WARM temperatures that Canada and Greenland are experiencing right now?
REPLY: Oh gee this idiotic tired old argument again, from a “green options” guy no less…why? because there was no “warmest ever” record set with Greenland. WUWT covered the Russian heat wave extensively, but we didn’t cover Dr. Jeff Masters story on the records you refer to.
And about those records, do you think that records set at airports are representative of the earth? Calculate the surface area for those and get back to us. – Anthony
Anthony — I never said Greenland set a record — where did you get that idea? However 19 other nations did in 2010 — all-time heat records that is. And I will tell you what is “tired” — trying make out that the temperature of 0.05% of the planet is significant.
PS Anthony –I don’t think Faya, Chad or Dongola, Sudan have airports — do you?
Ukraine, 1 August, 41.3C (106.3F), Lukhansk, Voznesensk
Cyprus, 1 August, 46.6C (115.9F), Lefconica
Finland, 29 July, 37.2C (99F), Joensuu
Qatar, 14 July, 50.4C (122.7F), Doha airport
Russia, 11 July, 44.0C (111.2F), Yashkul
Sudan, 25 June, 49.6C (121.3F), Dongola
Niger, 22 June, 47.1C (116.8F), Bilma
Saudi Arabia, 22 June, 52.0C (125.6F), Jeddah
Chad, 22 June, 47.6C (117.7F), Faya
Kuwait, 15 June, 52.6C (126.7F), Abdaly
Iraq, 14 June, 52.0C (125.6F), Basra
Pakistan, 26 May, 53.5C (128.3F), Mohenjo-daro
Burma, 12 May, 47C (116.6F), Myinmu
Ascension Island, 25 March, 34.9C (94.8F), Georgetown
Solomon Islands, 1 February, 36.1C (97F), Lata Nendo
Colombia, 24 January, 42.3C (108F), Puerto Salgar
REPLY: I don’t know that they do or don’t (I haven’t checked the METADATA, but the metadata is often wrong anyway) but the point is that the majority of GHCN stations are at airports. So again the question you ducked. Do you think temperature measurements at airports is representative of the Earth? If you want to criticize how I run this blog, may I suggest then that you put your name to your words and write a guest post? The offer is open for you to tell us why we are running t his blog the wrong way. I assume you’ll also ask Joe Romm why he never covers record lows, only record highs. – Anthony
“…Anthony — I never said Greenland set a record — where did you get that idea? However 19 other nations did in 2010 — all-time heat records that is. And I will tell you what is “tired” — trying make out that the temperature of 0.05% of the planet is significant…”
That was not surprising in the least, as the Central North America suffered unusually cool temps for much of early 2010. Check out what blocking high pressures do to the local weather enviorment. Normally when a block forms, either upstream or downstream weather will be the opposite. The -AO last year played havoc with several weather patterns.
Another infamous block formed over Russia last summer. This was in response to a stubborn zone of lower pressure over Pakistan. Pakistan received devastating floods, while White Russia and Sibera fried.
drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 9:52 am
PS Anthony –I don’t think Faya, Chad or Dongola, Sudan have airports — do you?
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Faya has an airport and Dongola airport has 3 hectares of asphalt.
>> drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 9:52 am
PS Anthony –I don’t think Faya, Chad or Dongola, Sudan have airports — do you? <<
How long have accurate temperature records been kept in either of those places? There's a big difference between breaking a 100 year old record vs. a 10 year old record.
The bigger picture is the totality of record temperatures for all 50 states shows no warming trend and no trend for more extreme weather. The US is only about 3% of the planet, but is about 50% of that part of the planet that has accurate temperature records going back 100 or more years.
So let me get this straight. it is OK to quote record low temperatures on o.5% of the world’s surface because the temperature gauges work just fine, but when 10% of the world’s surface shows all-time high records, then the gauges are suspect?
And Anthony, what about MY question: Why is there no mention of the abnormally high temperatures in our very big neighbor up north? You are aware, of course, that there is record low ice extent in the Arctic for the past months of December and January (compared to other Decmbers and Januarys) — shouldn’t that be mentioned in the same breath as a burst water pipe in Tulsa?
Tom R — no warming trend in the US? Think again.
Over the past century the ratio of record highs to lows slightly exceed 1:1 in the 1950s, returned to about 1:1 in the 60s and 70s, and then began increasing again in the 1980s.
From January 2000 to October 24, 2010, 310,531 record high temperatures were set across the contiguous United States. During the same period, 152,087 record low temperatures were set, giving a record highs to record lows ratio of more than 2:1. The disparity between record highs and record lows reflects the above normal temperatures experienced over the last decade — the warmest decade on record.
Data from thousands of weather stations was used, going back six decades to capture longer-term trends.Since record lows often are set at night, the researchers noted, the fact that those lows were fewer than in previous decades shows that much of the nation’s warming is occurring at night. That finding is consistent with computer models showing that higher overnight lows should be expected with climate change.
“Climate change is making itself felt in terms of day-to-day weather,” Gerald Meehl, a researcher at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, said in a statement announcing the research. “The ways these records are being broken show how our climate is already shifting.”
drewski says:
The climate is always naturally shifting on a regional basis. Nothing unusual is occurring. This is simply natural variability.
Smokey — Riiiiiight.
When I post evidence that record heat has occurred in 19 countries Tom R says that reliable measurements occur only in the US; when I show that the reliable temperature gauges in the US show an undeniable warming trend Smokey says you can’t tell anything from regional records; and Anthony is happy to create a blog showing record lows in 0.05% of the world because — presumably — temperature gauges work properly there, but is quick to discount record temps across 1/4 of the world’s land surface because those are the places where records are suspect.
I guess you guys have all the bases covered.
SCEPTIC = So Called Experts Perpetually Talking In Circles
drewski,
You wouldn’t know the scientific method if it bit you on the ankle. The onus is on alarmists to defend their repeatedly debunked CO2=CAGW conjecture. They have failed.
Climate alarmists do their silly arm-waving over events that have happened over and over prior to the industrial revolution, and to a much greater extent. Nothing unusual is happening. The planet has been much warmer – and much colder – during the past ten millennia, before the first SUV rolled off the assembly line. That pretty much debunks the “carbon” scare.
No one has been able to show any global harm due to CO2. Further, CO2 is beneficial for agriculture at current and projected concentrations. And the minuscule warming possibly attributable to CO2 is entirely beneficial. It’s all good.
Believers in the CO2=CAGW conjecture have the onus of showing convincingly that increased CO2 will lead to climate catastrophe. But they have failed at every turn. And still they cry “Wolf!!” No surprise that their credibility is heading over a cliff.
If CO2 caused significant global warming, temperatures would closely track rises in CO2. But they don’t. Beating the dead CO2 horse is losing traction fast.
Smokey, you can have your Lord Mocked Upon and the SPPI, I choose to believe NASA, NOAA, NSIDC, thousands of peer-reviewed studies and ALL the world’s major scientific organisations.
BTW — Did you get the memo? According to NASA, January 2011 was — GLOBALLY — the 11th WARMEST since 1880. And this has occurred during the continuing solar minimum and a strong La Nina. Kinda makes the story of a cold morning in Nowata, OK seem trivial, doesn’t it?
>> drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 6:58 pm
… I choose to believe … <<
I'm a strong advocate of religious freedom.
>> drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Tom R — no warming trend in the US? Think again.
Over the past century the ratio of record highs to lows slightly exceed 1:1 in the 1950s, returned to about 1:1 in the 60s and 70s, and then began increasing again in the 1980s.
From January 2000 to October 24, 2010, 310,531 record high temperatures were set across the contiguous United States. During the same period, 152,087 record low temperatures were set, giving a record highs to record lows ratio of more than 2:1. The disparity between record highs and record lows reflects the above normal temperatures experienced over the last decade — the warmest decade on record. <<
When looking at a large number of individual thermometers, I would expect a preponderance of high temperature records over low temperature records as the US population increased and technology spread. There are a lot of local temperatures where a newly installed nearby A/C exhaust, a new asphalt parking lot, or an increase in jet traffic creates a much hotter microclimate. There are no such microclimate cooling effects to balance out the disparity.
OTOH, a state record temperature would only be affected if either the hottest or coldest spot in the state had a microclimate change. The US state records show no disparity between highs and lows.
drewski says:
“According to NASA, January 2011 was — GLOBALLY — the 11th WARMEST since 1880.”
That means, of course, that prior to 1880 temperatures were warmer. Meaning that natural climate variability caused 1880 temperatures to exceed current temperatures.
It’s natural climate cycles by your own reasoning. Nothing unusual is happening. And CO2 has nothing to do with these natural climate cycles. QED
drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Smokey, you can have your Lord Mocked Upon and the SPPI, I choose to believe NASA, NOAA, NSIDC, thousands of peer-reviewed studies and ALL the world’s major scientific organisations.
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You choose to “believe” all of the other “Establishmentarians” and have them interpret the “Truth” for you as opposed to investigating it yourself.
At least you are a loyal member of the church and the creed and for that I give you credit.
[However that is not a compliment.]
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
drewski says:
BTW — Did you get the memo? According to NASA, January 2011 was — GLOBALLY — the 11th WARMEST since 1880. And this has occurred during the continuing solar minimum and a strong La Nina. Kinda makes the story of a cold morning in Nowata, OK seem trivial, doesn’t it?
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Oooh ahhh.
11th warmest since 1880.
Are you f-ing kidding me? The earth is 4.5 billion years old and you are talking the 11th warmest in the past 130 years….and with faulty and rigged measuring techniques to boot??
Who gives a flying ****!
But thanks for the laugh anyway.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
So Tom R and Smokey, you don’t believe what the world’s foremost science academies tell you, but you must believe in something. It must be something pretty infallible to trump EVERY national science academy — care to share what that is?
Oh, and I agree, that climate goes in cycles — we had a “natural’ tilt in the earth’s axis and that caused climate change; we have had extreme volcanism in the past — all natural, of course; we have had increased solar radiance — also natural; and we have even had natural meteors hit the earth; and what could be more natural than a change in earth’s orbit?
What is the “natural’ event you are referring to that has made each of the past 4 decades to be warmer than the previous ones? It must be a pretty powerful “natural” event to counter the effects of two other “natural” events currently acting upon the earth — La Nina and a solar minimum. Here is your chance to educate us ignorant Alarmists and become famous. Who knows, you may even get on TV with Hannity.
Savethesharks, do you know why they are called ‘establishments”? It is because they have become established. I will bet that your computer wasn’t made in a factory erected last week by Sudanese goat herders — that would be a stupid purchase wouldn’t it? I, myself, prefer tried and true (i.e. established) companies and organizations for my goods and information. Science works the same way — choose the best sources available — less buyer remorse that way.
“drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 5:18 pm
That finding is consistent with computer models showing that higher overnight lows should be expected with climate change.”
Would you not agree that “higher overnight lows” are also perfectly consistent with UHI effects? Suppose all houses are at 72 F, but the outside daytime temperature was 30 F and the nighttime temperature was 10 F. Then the time when there is the greatest DIFFERENCE in temperature would be the time when the UHI effect would be largest.
drewski says:
“Here is your chance to educate us ignorant Alarmists…”
Don’t be a dope. Natural climate variability fully explains the current climate. See here. We are currently about in the middle of the parameters of the Holocene; the average. Get up to speed before you make wrong assumptions. I suggest reading the WUWT archives to familiarize yourself with the subject.
drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Savethesharks, do you know why they are called ‘establishments”? It is because they have become established. I will bet that your computer wasn’t made in a factory erected last week by Sudanese goat herders — that would be a stupid purchase wouldn’t it? I, myself, prefer tried and true (i.e. established) companies and organizations for my goods and information. Science works the same way — choose the best sources available — less buyer remorse that way.
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Nonsense!
You are deliberately conflating private enterprise and innovation, such as the Apple computer I use….with the new NASA.
Granted…the original National Aeronautical and Space Administration was about aeronautics and space.
But now they are spending billions on a sham, sloppy, cooked-book temperature measurement system.
And beyond that….these organizations (unlike the Apple that I write this message on) are public “servants” who are supposed to be spending wisely the public dole, for “scientific research”.
And my name is Chris by the way….not “savethesharks” even though, admittedly, I strongly believe in shark conservation…
I have a name dude and I freely volunteer it here….address me by that please.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 9:33 pm
So Tom R and Smokey, you don’t believe what the world’s foremost science academies tell you, but you must believe in something. It must be something pretty infallible to trump EVERY national science academy — care to share what that is?
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They don’t have to. Its business as usual…as the non-alarmists have nothing to prove or justify whatsoever.
But….turning to you….
Care to share how you can weasel out of the dead end argument from authority?
Or do you care to share to cite the scientifically-proven evidence for your claim that a catastrophe is looming?
Show it. Prove it. You won’t because you can’t.
You are just going to rely upon the “experts”….you know the likes of Mann, Hansen, and Schmidt…et al.
Well….thankfully…there are many of us who would not trust them as far as we could throw them.
And with empirical good reason!
The question is…will you continue to rely upon groupthink for your answers….or will you WAKE UP and learn to think for yourself.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
“drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 6:58 pm
According to NASA, January 2011 was — GLOBALLY — the 11th WARMEST since 1880. And this has occurred during the continuing solar minimum and a strong La Nina.”
And here is what Phil Jones said in February of 2009:
“C – Do you agree that from January 2002 to the present there has been statistically significant global cooling?
No. This period is even shorter than 1995-2009. The trend this time is negative (-0.12C per decade), but this trend is not statistically significant.”
So how should I interpret your comment above? Is it that you would agree that the negative trend that Jones referred to is continuing?
Smokey, how does this graph mitigate anything I have written? Peaks and troughs still need triggers.
I know, you could open a new branch of physics — effect without a cause — brilliant. I will call the Nobel committee today — you could revolutionize science. Just be sure that your research isn’t published in SPPI or Energy and Environment — you will get laughed out of the room.
Werner, UHI effects could be a reason — good question — I will need more research. But what if it turns out that many of these records occurred in rural areas or that this UHI effect was taken into account — what will be your answer then?
drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 8:48 am
However when 19 NATIONS covering more than a quarter of the earths land surface (or roughly 200 times larger than Oklahoma) set all-time heat records in 2010 this blog was strangely quiet.
Your exaggeration is so bad you make me not respect you. Entire nations did not do this.
drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Over the past century the ratio of record highs to lows slightly exceed 1:1 in the 1950s,
The study you are referring to did not include the 1930’s, the Dust Bowl years in the United States. It is propaganda to say “Over the past century” since the study does not cover the past century. Romm like to use this study too. Romm is a pure propagandist who is paid by a far left organization to run that blog. Did you get your ideas from his blog?
drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 5:18 pm
From January 2000 to October 24, 2010, 310,531 record high temperatures were set across the contiguous United States
These records have not been adjusted for UHI. Slow down drewski. We aren’t so naive here.
drewski
You picked out records from single locations in a nation. But you made it sound like areas covering entire nations were in record heat. At any given time there are record highs and lows occurring.
Also, you did not provide any links so anyone could verify your claims for themselves. You are half baked.
drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 8:48 am
more than a quarter of the earths land surface
This did not happen. Be a little more careful next time.
drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 9:48 pm
I, myself, prefer tried and true (i.e. established) companies and organizations for my goods and information. Science works the same way
Great, then go and be happy with it.
You’ve been here for 13 hours trying to convince people of your ‘tried and true’ science. I have learned that you guys work harder the less you feel convinced of your ‘tried and true’ global warming beliefs. So I don’t know if you’re trying to convince others, or yourself.
The truth is if this web sites really was so far off as you keep trying to make it appear to be you wouldn’t need to work so hard to convince anyone. But you know in your instincts it’s not off. You know you have to be here working all you can to do damage control for failed global warming ‘science’. Everyone knows it’s a failure, and you do to. If you didn’t know it you would be out doing something else.
Ok, I’ve been here 1/2 hour. That’s more than enough. I don’t feel the need to persist for 13 hours trying to convince anyone.
night drewski. Sleep well and dream of dead polar bears, starving people, and sickly hues of light coming from twisty straw light bulbs.
“The truth is if this web sites really was so far off as you keep trying to make it appear to be you wouldn’t need to work so hard to convince anyone.”
That is a belly laugh — I am not the one making a cold day in Oklahoma into a “Global Event”. I am not the one who says “shit happens” (natural cycles) without a thought in their heads about HOW shit happens. I am not the one who carries on endlessly about how cold it is in my 1.5% of the globe while conveniently ignoring an area immediately to the north and west — TWICE THAT SIZE — which is abnormally and persistently warm.
SCEPTICS = So Called Experts Perpetually Talking In Circles
Oh, and Amino — want to add up the land mass of these countries that set all-time heat records in 2010? Start with Russia then continue with the larger countries of Africa, the Middle East and Asia. One thing is for sure, it will be HUNDREDS of times bigger than Oklahoma.
Russia, Ukraine, Cyprus, Finland, Qatar, Sudan, Niger, Saudi Arabia, Chad, Kuwait, Iraq, Pakistan, Burma, Ascension Island, Solomon Islands, and Colombia.
Peace be with you to those who have brains but do not use them — my God of Global Warming, Celsius, bestows his blessing upon you. (I can imagine the replies already).
Ciao
Paul Deacon says:
February 10, 2011 at 10:43 am
“That mark eclipses the previous all-time record low state temperature of minus 27 degrees, set at at Vinita, Feb. 13, 1905, and Watts, Jan. 18, 1930.”
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Anthony – they starting naming weather stations after you before you existed. I’m impressed.
REPLY: Oh, I existed, but in a state of widely scattered atoms – Anthony
(-; some of those atoms were CO2, my o my, Anthony Watts was a greenhose gas, now he is a CO2 sink.
Maybe we can “Steig” the cold, and spread it more then 1200 K.
A new word enters the lexicon
Amino and Smokey, I wanted to give you guys a break from drewski
I was shutting doe the computer when these two posts pop up and I had to respond.
This is what phil Jones ACTUALLY said:
An observed warming trend of 0.12 degrees C per decade between 1995 to 2009 was “not significant at the 95% significance level.” On the other hand, he said, it was quite close to being statistically significant.
There here was no minus 0.12 quote — so, when you start to lose an argument you just throw out bold face lies?
And this one will go into my Hall of Fame:
Drewski: “So Tom R and Smokey, you don’t believe what the world’s foremost science academies tell you, but you must believe in something. It must be something pretty infallible to trump EVERY national science academy — care to share what that is?”
Chris: “They don’t have to.”
Priceless.
What dataset is Drewski using? UAH data showed January at -0.01 of normal. That is about as average as you can get, and is nowhere near the warmest eleven months.
Isn’t UAH using a NASA satellite? How can Drewski say “According to NASA, January 2011 was — GLOBALLY — the 11th WARMEST since 1880.” Has Hansen’s data really gotten so incredibly different from UAH?
It’s amazing how a troll like Drewski can butt in and disrupt a friendly conversation about record cold.
By the way, years ago, when down and out, I crashed at a campground further west than Oklahoma on I-40, and spent a winter at the Continental Divide. It was far enough south to have warmth during the winter, but when the wind turned north it sure did get cruel.
One thing I recall is that English Sparrows, a non-native species, had a growing population in Gallup, New Mexico, but then there was a spell of the cruel north winds, and they were flopping about and dying on the sidewalks.
The dying birds tried to huddle in the south-facing doorways, that caught the sun. It was pretty amazing how different the micro-climates were, between south-facing and north-facing cliffs. The south-facing mesa-sides would be all prickly pear and barrel cactus, while 100 feet away the north-facing side of a canyon would hold clinging spruce and pinion pine.
The thin air did not seem to carry the heat as effectively as it does at sea-level. You could really feel the difference between walking the sunny north-side of a street, as opposed to walking in the shadow of the south-side. The snow was gone nearly as soon as the sun came out, on the north-side, but lingered for days on the south-side.
Water most definitely did not boil at 100 C. I was puzzled, when I tried to boil some rice and beans, (which was all I could afford at the time,) over a fire at the campground, because the blasted stuff simply would not cook. Then a Hispanic fellow, (whose family had lived in the area over 400 years,) showed me how to fry the rice, before you simmered it in tomato sauce. I think he spared me from starvation, and freezing like those English Sparrows.
It’s amazing how haughty and high-and-mighty some get about things like thermometers and temperature. Once you leave your computer and get out into the world, life makes you a lot more humble.
How cold it feels is very subjective, and it is amazing how much warmer it gets after you eat. If you don’t believe it, work outside in the cold, and then go inside and eat a piece of toast with honey on it, and then go back outside and continue working. You will swear the temperature has risen fifteen degrees, though the stupid thermometer will tell you the temperature has dropped a degree or two.
Also the world gets a lot warmer when a Hispanic fellow shows you how to cook Spanish rice. Kindness may not be measured by a thermometer, but it is never forgotten.
Hopefully Drewski will learn this at some point.
>> drewski says:
February 11, 2011 at 9:33 pm
So Tom R and Smokey, you don’t believe what the world’s foremost science academies tell you, but you must believe in something. It must be something pretty infallible to trump EVERY national science academy — care to share what that is?
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First off, the statements from the 'national science academies' you speak of are just statements from the political types at the top who like to run things. To my knowledge, none of these academies has actually polled it's members. One in particular (I think it was the NAS) refused to do so in spite of a petition from a significant number of members.
Secondly, you ask what I 'believe.' I believe my own observations and historical records. By my own observation the freeze line for citrus in Florida is 100 miles south of where it was in the early 20th century. By my own observation the sea level in the Florida Keys has not increased by even an inch since 1972.
What I don't believe are the adjustments to the raw temperatures made by someone proven willing to break the law in order to (in his opinion) save the planet. If he's willing to break the law to save the planet, why wouldn't he be willing to fudge the data in order to save the planet?
What I don't believe is that 95% of adjustments to raw measurements just happen to fall in the direction of increased alarmism, or that TOB adjustments need to be an order of magnitude larger than urban heating.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/ushcn/ts.ushcn_anom25_diffs_urb-raw_pg.gif
What I don't believe is the warmist's claim that the medieval warm period was a regional phenomenon limited to Greenland and Europe. A regional phenomenon that lasted for 200 years? Do you really buy that?
What I don't believe are 'global' temperatures before 1979, but maybe you can point out where the sensors were located that measured the air temperature over the 70% of the planet covered by ocean.
“drewski says:
February 12, 2011 at 1:17 am
I was shutting doe the computer when these two posts pop up and I had to respond.
This is what phil Jones ACTUALLY said:
An observed warming trend of 0.12 degrees C per decade between 1995 to 2009 was “not significant at the 95% significance level.” On the other hand, he said, it was quite close to being statistically significant.
There here was no minus 0.12 quote — so, when you start to lose an argument you just throw out bold face lies?
And this one will go into my Hall of Fame:”
WHOA THERE! (By the way, I should have said the quotes were made in 2010 and not 2009.) However see the site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm
The quote you are referring to is the answer to question B in which he said what you did. But have you never read question C and its answer? THAT is what I was referring to. Quote B was about the last 15 years, but quote C was about the last 8 years.
(P.S. As for the your comment about UHI, let me know what you find out and I will cross that bridge when I come to it.)
Caleb says:
February 12, 2011 at 4:34 am
What dataset is Drewski using? … How can Drewski say “According to NASA, January 2011 was — GLOBALLY — the 11th WARMEST since 1880.”
Drewski is using the GISS data set at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
In this case, being the 11th warmest January is quite reasonable. In comparison with UAH, with their anomaly at -0.01, approximately 15 of the last 30 years would be colder so GISS was in the ball park here. However it was the November reading of GISS that really raised eyebrows when GISS claimed it was the warmest November of all time in the middle of a strong La Nina and low sunspots.
drewski says:
February 12, 2011 at 12:21 am
TWICE THAT SIZE — which is abnormally and persistently warm.
No need to yell. You can hear yourself.
Abnormal? Would you bother to prove it’s abnormal? I bet you aren’t interested in proof. You just want to say things that make you believe the sky is falling.
drewski
Here’s some real data:
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/screenhunter_47-feb-10-08-19.gif?w=634&h=476
See all the purple and blue dots? All of those are record cold. It’s not just Oklahoma. How many hours are you going to be here trying to explain that away? Or should I ask how many days?
David says:
February 12, 2011 at 1:13 am
Amino and Smokey, I wanted to give you guys a break from drewski
Thanks, but he’s an easy target. And he didn’t provide any links to data. He sure did talk big. I guess he’s talking about the fish that got away—we never saw it, BUT! We should have seen how big it was!
;O)
Werner Brozek says:
February 12, 2011 at 9:22 am
when GISS claimed it was the warmest November of all time in the middle of a strong La Nina
Yes, that does get ones attention.
drewski says:
“…Smokey, you don’t believe what the world’s foremost science academies tell you, but you must believe in something. It must be something pretty infallible to trump EVERY national science academy — care to share what that is?”
Glad you asked. I prefer to take Prof Richard Lindzen’s climate knowledge base over a bunch of non-climatologists. You, on the other hand, believe what non-experts tell you. Well, to each his own. But relying on the opinions of non-experts explains why you don’t understand the issue.
Next, regarding my graph of the Holocene, you just don’t get it, which is clear from your response:
“Smokey, how does this graph mitigate anything I have written? Peaks and troughs still need triggers.”
That graph makes it clear that natural climate variability is the same over the past ten thousand years. Nothing is different in the current climate from the past ten millennia. What we are observing are natural fluctuations, and contrary to your misinformed belief that “triggers” are necessary to explain natural variability, I’ll let Dr Lindzen educate you – because you are badly in need of education:
I suggest you take a few weeks to read the WUWT archives. It is apparent that you get your misinformation from climate alarmist echo chambers. Bad move. The wheat is separated from the chaff through discussion, and blogs like realclimate censor so heavily that you can only hear one side of the discussion. Hence, you are misinformed and don’t even realize it.
drewski says:
SCEPTICS = So Called Experts Perpetually Talking In Circles
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Hey Drewski….two can play at that game:
ALARMISTS =
Apparatchik Losers Advancing Regurgitated Misinformation & Institutionalized Shoddy Two-bit Science
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
drewski says:
February 12, 2011 at 1:17 am
Chris: “They don’t have to.”
Priceless.
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Have you ever heard of something called the Null Hypothesis?
Apparently not!
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
“I assume you’ll also ask Joe Romm why he never covers record lows, only record highs. – Anthony”
What truly astounds me is how often you offer this line of response completely oblivious to how it makes you look … I’m dead serious about this, Anthony – it does not reflect well on you … at all.
Hey Amino — LOOOVED that graph. And I thought you might like these — they are very colorful — lots of red and brown. They show areas LOTS bigger than the US and some of them have really groovy lines showing ‘alarming’ loss of sea ice (Wow – how can that be? — Dorothy says it is really cold in Kansas).
Enjoy:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/images/201001-201012-temp.gif
http://iup.physik.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr/ice_ext_n.png
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/extreme/gfs/current/nh_raw_temp_000.png
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/prods/WIS57DPTCT/20110207180000_WIS57DPTCT_0005577008.gif
http://www.skepticalscience.com//images/ipcc_ar4_model_vs_obs.gif
http://blogs.agu.org/wildwildscience/files/2011/01/Screen-shot-2011-01-28-at-02.48.09.jpg
Meanwhile…
Gee yet another sceptic example of “a cold day in Oklahoma is proof that Global Warming has stopped” but this time with a cherry-picked example of Arctic ice. The following graphs will give you a better understanding of the BIG picture up north. Strangely enough the US navy was involved in both of these graphs as well — from the Polar Ice Center .
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Arctic_sea_ice_anomaly.gif
or this
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/gleick_arctic_sea_ice.gif
A little background:
These example show a comparison of PIOMAS-derived ice volume anomalies with anomalies measured by the NASA ICEsat Satellite. PIOMAS has been EXTENSIVELY VALIDATED through comparisons with observations from US-Navy submarines, moorings, and satellites.
And for any of you who are really interested in learning some science:
PIOMAS References
Zhang, J., and D.A. Rothrock: Modeling global sea ice with a thickness and enthalpy distribution model in generalized curvilinear coordinates, Mon. Wea. Rev., 131(5), 681–697, 2003. (pdf file)
Lindsay, R. W. and J. Zhang, Assimilation of ice concentration in an ice-ocean model, J. Atmos. Ocean. Tech., 23, 742–749, 2006.(pdf file)
Zhang, J., R. Lindsay, M. Steele, and A. Schweiger, 2008: What drove the dramatic retreat of arctic sea ice during summer 2007?, Geophys. Res. Lett., 35, L08502, doi:10.1029/2008GL034005. (pdf file)
Zhang, J., M. Steele, R. Lindsay, A. Schweiger, and J. Morison, 2008: Ensemble 1-Year predictions of Arctic sea ice for the spring and summer of 2008, Geophys. Res. Lett., 35, L08502, doi:10.1029/2008GL033244. (pdf file)
Lindsay, R. W., J. Zhang, A. J. Schweiger, and M. A. Steele, 2008: Seasonal predictions of ice extent in the Arctic Ocean, J. Geophys. Res., 113, C02023, doi:10.1029/2007JC004259. (pdf file)
Lindsay, R. W., J. Zhang, A. J. Schweiger, and M. A. Steele, and H. Stern, 2009: Arctic sea ice retreat in 2007 follows thinning trend. J. Clim., 22, 165-176, doi: 10.1175/2008JCLI2521. (pdf file)
Schweiger, A. J., J. Zhang, R. W. Lindsay, and M. Steele, 2008: Did unusually sunny skies help drive the record sea ice minimum of 2007? Geophys. Res. Lett., 35, L10503, doi:10.1029/2008GL033463. (pdf_file)
Kwok, R., G. F. Cunningham, M. Wensnahan, I. Rigor, H. J. Zwally, and D. Yi, 2009: Thinning and volume loss of the Arctic Ocean sea ice cover: 2003-2008. J. Geophys. Res., 114.
Zhang, J. and _M. Steele_, 2007. The effect of vertical mixing on the Atlantic Water layer circulation in the Arctic Ocean, /J. Geophys. Res.,112, /C04S04, doi:10.1029/2006JC003732 (pdf_file)
drewski,
That’s some fine cherry-picking. It’s the same mindset that produces scary maps of our normal climate.
And I have to laugh every time I see a computer model claim like the one from your Alarmist Pseudo-science echo chamber. They never seem to post this empirical falsification of the “AGW Fingerprint” model that all the spittle flecked arm-wavers confidently predicted would prove CAGW. As we see, the “AGW Fingerprint” has been thoroughly debunked.
Oh well, back to the alarmist drawing board.
Smokey: “That’s some fine cherry-picking. It’s the same mindset that produces scary maps of our normal climate.”
You guys show me me a small town in OK on January 29 and I show you the northern hemisphere for the whole month. Then you guys show me Arctic ice on December 30 2008 and I show you ice records going back decades. AND YOU CALL ME THE CHERRY PICKER??!!
drewski,
Respond to my comment – not to something else. That’s called a “strawman” argument, and it logically fails.
I was commenting on your “Skeptical” Pseudo-science links. They’re all cherry-picked. Just like the alarming red maps I linked to; they’re cherry-picked deception, too. It’s all just a bunch of alarmist anti-science; PNS if you like.
If it wasn’t for pseudo-science, logical fallacies, projection and cherry-picking, the alarmist contingent wouldn’t have anything to say.
Try to show us any putative global harm due specifically to CO2. That is what the entire debate is about. The fact that the null hypothesis shows that there has been no global damage due to the rise in a harmless, beneficial trace gas simply debunks all the CAGW nonsense the alarmist crowd believes in.