From the “weather is not climate department” – New record low temperatures set in Cancun for three straight days, and more new low temperature records are possible this week.
Dr. Roy Spencer, who is in Cancun representing climate skepticism on behalf of CFACT writes on his blog:
Today’s my first full day in Cancun at COP-16, and as I emerged from my hotel room I was greeted by a brisk, dry, cool Canadian breeze.
It was 54 deg. F in Cancun this morning — a record low for the date. (BTW, Cancun is nowhere near Canada).
Al Gore is not supposed to be here…but it could be that the Gore Effect has announced his secret arrival. We will check into this.
Here’s the record for today from Weather Underground:
The old record low temperature of 57°F was bested today by four degrees.
And for the previous two days, new record lows have been set:
The weather forecast for the week ahead does not look encouraging, additional low temperature records may be set:
Here are existing Record Lows and Forecast Lows in upcoming days:
Wednesday: 53 °F (2003) Forecast: 51°F
Thursday: 60 °F (2000) Forecast: 59°F
Friday: 60 °F (1999) Forecast: 55°F
Saturday: 57 °F (2003) Forecast: 53°F
Sunday: 55 °F (2008) Forecast: 51°F
The Cancun delegates certainly live in “interesting times”.
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h/t’s to WUWT readers Barry L. and “Amino acids in meteorites”
Word of caution: the wunderground.com records database is insufficiently short and those records are likely way off. Note, they are only 1999-2003…
International record highs and lows are something that need to be compiled independently: Bob Hart at FSU and I have a cool page that has the ongoing world-wide records based upon longer records, 30-40 years minimum. Again, take the station data with a grain of salt, but the gist of the site is awesome.
http://coolwx.com/record
REPLY: As I understand it, the WU “records” database comes from the larger database of historical records, available on CD ROM from a number of sources. For example, the record low for a nearby town (Oroville, CA) today is 26 °F (1956) as shown here:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KOVE/2010/12/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
I agree that the “actual measurement” database they have is shorter in many cases. – Anthony
Um, this Gore effect is starting to get downright creepy!
wobble;
It’s no mystery; a natural statistical effect of being seriously wrong about nearly everything.
On behalf of Canada I would like to say “You’re Welcome”. We were done with that particular cold front, so we looked for the most useful place to send it. Sorry to those in the continental US that were forced to deal with it on its way past.
By the way, we got -29C from it.
Heh, delicious.
All we need now is a freak hailstorm on the beach.
Blood & Gore know no bounds! [:)]
https://pathstoknowledge.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/blood-and-gore-maximize-green-profits-at-all-costs-including-goring-science-integrity-and-extracting-blood-and-taxes-from-the-developed-and-developing-world/
https://pathstoknowledge.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/there-is-a-100-chance-that-al-gore-will-get-it-wrong-again-and-again-and-again-since-he-intentionally-exaggerates-lies-and-distorts-the-science-to-promote-his-vested-business-interests-in-blood
I believe that the concept of the Gore effect was introduced by Tim Blair, or at least that Tim Blair has believed that he introduced it. Evidence for his having so believed may be provided at a later time. But at the present time I think that it may be time to introduce a further concept: The Gore effect by proxy. Gore’s absence is the clock that ticks louder in the mind when the battery in the actual clock died and went unreplaced. If a sufficient number of Gorish warmists gather and are as boring as Gore in his momentous absence, then they may operate by the same heat sink rules, drain the surrounding energy, and depress the temperature.
mmmmm If this weird phenomenon happens one more time, I will have to rethink my atheism.
Aren’t they in Durban South Africa mid next year?
Anthony may like to look up some Durban records and start a book for WUWTers
God: 1, Flannery: nil (again)
On my regular business trips this autumn I felt cool in West Africa in October and in the Caribbean in November, compared with previous years. Locals confirmed my feelings by complaining about the cold. So not surprised to see that Cancun is affected. Now in the UK where it is definitely a bit cooler than normal. Canada next week so not expecting a heatwave unless that is where all the heat has gone.
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Here’s some free long-range forecasting: When looking at the Arctic Oscillation, we saw last year that it became strongly negative and the Northern Hemisphere winter was brutal over Europe and North America. There are some indications that the same thing is happening again for 2010-2011 winter, but likely worse because of the major La Nina occuring. Looking at the best forecast model in the world, the ECMWF (European Centre) for the next 10-days: sea-level pressure (link)
There are essentially two blocking regimes that have been setup for the last couple weeks over the Pacific and Atlantic. This provides an Arctic express over North America and Europe. The current analysis shows two lows, one over the Gulf of Alaska and another over Eastern Canada with a decent Arctic high pressure in between. That high filters south and invades the US with brutally cold air into next weekend. Florida will see a major freeze next Monday.
At 8-10 days, a 1060-1070 mb high pressure forms over the Arctic. The situation looks to repeat itself with that incredibly cold air filtering southward in the 10-14 day range.
Hottest year ever? Not anymore…
I looked at the 2-meter temperatures from the NCEP GFS deterministic forecast model analysis and compared the 4x daily values with the new NCEP CFSR reanalysis. If the normal is defined as 1979-2009, which is obviously 10-years different AND warmer than the 1971-2000 current climate normal, 2010 remained on average 0.4 degrees C above the previous 30-year mean UNTIL August 1, when it dipped below normal. This represented the onset of the La Nina, a dramatic reversal in the global temperature anomaly. Yet, this change was temporary with a anomalously warm period globally between October 10 and November 25, coincidentally the timing of the Cancun climate confab. Since, global temperatures have dropped almost 0.8 degrees C, an incredible reversal compared to normal. If the current forecasts hold, and the last two weeks of December remain cooler than normal, 2010 will not be the warmest year ever, beating 1998. Oh well.
Nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide.
Perhaps next time they can schedule their little shindig in Hades, ought to be pretty safe against chilly conditions there.
Here in Australia, apart from a story about putting mirrors in space, I haven’t seen any mention of Cancun. One warmist reporter working for a warmist e-journal sends messages of hope for the faithful. By and large the whole thing has been ignored. Too many here trying to pay their mortgages and electricity, plus in the cities, the inflated price for desal water. Of the last, the QLD govt has mothballed their two month old desal plant because their dams are overflowing a phenomenom that the warmers said would never happen again.
I’m getting ready to travel to Milwaukee to see my brother at Christmas time. So I guess I have to take all of what warm winter clothing I have. And galoshes, too?
“More warming”, “unequivocal warming”, “unstoppable warming”, these are the usual climate blackmails by the warming fanatics. It’s important to slap actual temperature data, not temp. projections, in their faces, http://funwithgovernment.blogspot.com/2010/12/climate-blackmails-and-regulations.html
This is for all the eco-Fascists bleeding us white with “green” taxes in order, they say, “to fight global warming”:
Britain’s weather forecasters are predicting a record-breaking “once-in-a-lifetime” big freeze is on its way. The Met Office has issued severe weather warnings for Scotland, the north and east of England today and tomorrow with warnings of up to eight inches of snow today in the Yorkshire Moors.
The warning goes on, but we’ve read it all before. Just goes to prove global warming is the biggest fraud in history and leads to this…
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British Energy Bills Set “To Double”
Household energy bills could double to £2,500 a year in an unstoppable rise driven by the £200 billion “fight against climate change,” a market expert warned yesterday. Mark Todd, of energyhelpline.com, said rocketing prices will send costs for hard-pressed families and the elderly into the stratosphere. He said consumers will have to pick up the tab for new wind-farms, nuclear power plants and the networks needed to support them.
Mr Todd’s worst-case scenario forecast means bills could rise from the current £1,215 average for gas and electricity – so-called dual fuel bills – to £2,472 a year within 10 years. He spoke out as five of the biggest energy firms in Britain told MPs that energy bills will rise by up to 25% over the next decade.
That would slap another £303 on the average gas and electricity bill.
Yet campaigners Consumer Focus said that over the past seven years alone domestic dual fuel bills have soared 124% – from an average £543 a year. Mr Todd said: “Both the cold spell and rebound in the economy are contributing factors to wholesale gas prices rising by 56% in the past three months. It’s therefore no surprise that five of the big six energy companies have warned MPs that domestic bills will continue to rise. There seems to be an almost unstoppable upward trend with prices creeping up remorselessly. When price drops come they tend to be small, when price rises come they tend to be big.”
The Government is shortly expected to announce a consultation on reforming the energy market. And on Monday the Climate Change Committee laid out a blueprint for cutting “carbon” emissions which it admitted would require investment of about £150 billion in energy infrastructure up to 2030.
Mr Todd said: “The year’s price rises are only the tip of the iceberg. An unpalatable cocktail of “green” taxes, power station investment, a crumbling grid and dwindling gas supplies is set to send prices into the stratosphere. Energy bills are many homes’ biggest expense. UK consumers must shop around for a better deal.”
Head of energy at Consumer Focus, Audrey Gallacher, said: “It is up to the energy industry to show that any price rises are fair. It must be easy for customers to find the best tariff, switch easily and be confident they are paying a fair price.”
Energy UK, which speaks for the major suppliers, last night urged the public to make homes more energy efficient. (Which is what they always say).
Here’s something they didn’t say:
28 July 2010
Big freeze gives British Gas 98% profits hike
The coldest winter for 30 years helped the UK’s biggest energy firm almost double first-half profits today. Centrica said its British Gas residential arm posted a surplus of £585 million – 98% ahead of last year – as shivering households cranked up the heating and gas usage rose 8%. Centrica pushed up overall operating profits 65% to £1.56 billion.
What’s this?
Mmmmmmm!
Low temperatures and UK wind power contribution.
http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm
I see just 0.4% for the 24 hour period prior to this note – when we have had some of the coldest tempertures in the UK for a long long time – was contributed by wind power. As I write the wind speed is zero at my location and the countryside looks like fairy land with all the trees covered in a beautiful frost and it is -2.4 deg C.
The green lobby want to shut down our coal fired stations that contributed 41%.
Somehow I think they have got it wrong.
JEM says:
December 8, 2010 at 12:56 am
“Nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide.
Perhaps next time they can schedule their little shindig in Hades, ought to be pretty safe against chilly conditions there.”
Not if Al Gore shows up ;o)
@ Tallbloke – I think you’ll find that the ‘freak’ storm is occurring INSIDE the venue….plenty of freaks are storming around in there hailing each other in a mutually denialist, head in the sand kind of way in an attempt to maintain the sham.
“What cooling!”
Jimbo says:
December 8, 2010 at 1:36 am
This cold spell is a once-in-a-lifetime event. We’ll probably never see it again.’”
mmmm is the word. We are in the up side of the current solar cycle. The really really cold stuff begins during the down side. IMHO
David Cameron and his Etonian pal, Zak Goldsmith and others, will ostrich their way to a “Green” economy despite real data that now shows wind farms without subsidies are not viable, nor is solar [at our latitude 51 – 60 odd North] and yet all that UK coal is waiting to be harnessed and new coal fired power stations could be up and running in time to avoid the massive power cuts that will happen in a few years and despite any actual data, other than computer models [rubbish ones designed by warmists] to push power prices through the roof.
PS How are the green electric cars doing in the cold?
@ Brian Johnson uk – as a determined petrol-head, I also thought that e-cars/vehicles would be susceptible to more cold weather problems. However, I was [ admittedly ] interested to see that is not the case as shown here….
http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1052024_electric-cars-cant-handle-cold-weather-myth-busted
But I still like my hydrocarbon fuelled, mobile plant food generator.
I’m thinking of buying a diesel generator and running it on any appropriate oils I can get my hands on in an attempt to reduce my energy bills. I suppose the ConDem govt will only slap a tax on Mazola and it’s ilk though.
Dr. Spencer? Didn’t they claim Cancun was ‘skeptic-free’?
@ Brian Johnson uk – sadly the e-car/vehicle seems to do ok. See below.
http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1052024_electric-cars-cant-handle-cold-weather-myth-busted
As a confirmed petrol-head I’ll certainly be keeping my carbonaceoulicious 4X4 until the very last moment.
Could record lows be helped by UHI effect? It is great that warmists could never consider using this as an excuse because they would then have to admit their record highs were subject to the same necessary adjustments.
We in the UK should write to the Dept. of Energy and Climate Change with a copy to our MP to let them know in no uncertain terms that we are not taking this cr#p any longer.
That they are still pushing renewables, in the face of all the evidence and real world experience against them, entitles us to be as scathing and contemptuous as our upbringing will allow.
I have sent:-
The lack of news reportage from Cancun in the Main Stream Media, demonstrates that at last the AGW / Climate Change meme is dead and that few rats remain on the sinking ship, although some have been marooned in Mexico by the fast ebbing tide of public confidence – when is Kuhne coming back , by the way?
On his return you might wish to advise him to address his deficient intellect to the rather more pertinent part of his portfolio, ENERGY, and that a further revision of the departmental name, in the form of an abbreviation to that one word, might be considered politically astute, in a country entering it’s second week of subzero temperatures.
His first act could be to apologise for annually wasting billions of pounds, on windfarms, wavepower, miniature hydro plants, and related ill conceived scams, extorted disproportionately from the energy poor by means of the escalating Renewables Obligation. I will let him off photo voltaic as I believe his budgie crapped in the form of his signature on the paper proposing this little beauty and it went through in error.
He could then explain how a sustained 20% from renewables (excluding nuclear, bizarrely not to be subsidised) by 2020 is going to happen, when the vast arrays currently in production barely produce 1.5% of total consumption on a good day, and less than 0.2% for a surprising proportion of the year.
Anthropological CO2 is a discredited theory propounded and sustained by second rate Universities in pursuit of huge grant monies dispensed with abandon by reckless politicians. IT IS OVER – we don’t believe you!
If your real reason for insulting our intelligence with this nonsense was in fact to wean us on to a more reliable energy base than at present, which in the current world political climate is a sensible and laudable aim, then please divulge all the facts and let us have that debate.
The answer will undoubtedly be nuclear on a grand scale, just like France, which exports power daily to us through the French Interconnector – but you know that already don’t you?
But how to tell the arch idiot and nuclearphobe Chris Kuhne, there’s the rub.
Meanwhile, Britain tries to move towards an eco-communista state:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/08/carbon_budget_2030/
Narf.
SO they will adjourn early? Little chilly for the beach. Need to go further south next time.
SWFL is also freezing cold, hoping the crops aren’t wiped out, the inshore shallow water fish are in serious trouble.
In response to criticism that he was off to a beach resort at Cancun, the Australian Minister for Climate Change, Greg Combet, said words to the effect “Well we’re not taking our swimmers, we’re going there to work”. Now I can see why swimmers are not an option.
Dear Mod(s),
am I persona non grata or have my last two attempts at commenting dropped off the radar?
If the comments are still around, please only put up the first & delete the second.
yz
Dave
This is why they try not to use global warming, but climate disruption. If record highs are the only thing you get to talk about you can’t make a political case. If you can talk about everything (including the cold in Cancun) then you can talk about a lot.
John Kehr
“Dr. Spencer? Didn’t they claim Cancun was ‘skeptic-free’?”
Maybe they invited him so they could boast about representing all sides of the debate. He´s an easy target because of his views on ID, too (though I know only what the media has told me about his views).
Amazing, Ha Ha Ha!!!
Trouble is, Dr. Roy (Spencer) is a great man (knows his stuff – like you do Anthony!!), (though)…………………………..is anybody listening?
Mind you, hit count = 62 mill’ so…………………………somebody gets it (TGFT).
Ben U. says:
December 8, 2010 at 12:32 am
If a sufficient number of Gorish warmists gather and are as boring as Gore in his momentous absence, then they may operate by the same heat sink rules, drain the surrounding energy, and depress the temperature.
You may be onto something there, Ben. In the future, this may become known as the “Goreiolis Effect”.
“mmmmm If this weird phenomenon happens one more time, I will have to rethink my atheism.”
Me too! There seems to be a lot of what Adam Smith called the “invisible hand” around lately.
CAGW getting a head of steam before a 100 yr solar minimum occurring
Copenhagen frozen in.
Murray Darling scheme hidden until after the election, and then bulk rain.
And now the Gore effect in Cancun.
Every time something like this occurs I exclaim “There is a God”
Not to worry about the record lows, the temps will surely be “adjusted” soon to reflect the desired upward trend.
Ryan Maue says:
December 8, 2010 at 12:07 am
Word of caution:
hummmm.
Pressure:
Last Updated: Wed Dec 8 12:15:48 UTC 2010
Maximum: 1082mb (31.94″) [SLMG:Magdalena, Bolivia]
http://coolwx.com/extreme/
But,
1082 mb (NOAA)…..
http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/SLMG.html
~1010 mb
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/SLMG/2010/12/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
Strange.
I missed something …..
The good doctor seems to regard Canada as the big bad boogieman of cold. Here in Nova Scotia, sunday`s high was 54F. Warm and sunny too. A beautiful May day in December.
Spenser remembers Canadian weather of yore: it isn`t like that now. The past decade has featured a Christmas day warmer than July 1 . 2008 had a November week (3) so warm, we didn`t use the furnace for 7 days.
Weird eh?
Once in a lifetime event? That can’t be right. A few weeks ago the U.K. Met Office forecast a moderate winter, if memory serves me right.
Just a reminder. Citrus fruit requires cold weather to sweeten. It evolved that way for a reason.
Yet another travesty. Are we having fun yet?
North America is about to experience a similar if not a worse winter compared to the last LA NINA winter of 2007-2008. We in Ontario are already experiencing some of this with some communities having over a meter of snow already this past week. More is to come this week-end and more next week. Note that 676cm of snow in Quebec represented 22.5 feet of snow during the 2007/2008 winter
2007/2008WINTER EASTERN CANADA
Ontario and Quebec endured one of the longest and snowiest winters in years. At times, even snow enthusiasts had had enough and were desperate for spring. Every winter sees snow on the ground for weeks at a time, but not every winter has snow falling almost every day. Winter 2007-2008 was defined by the amount of snow and the record number of snow events. The Great Lakes and St. Lawrence River Basin registered its third-wettest winter in 61 years, with most of the precipitation falling as the white stuff. Among locations recording above 500 cm of snow were: Mont Ste-Anne, 676 cm; Quebec City, 558 cm (record); Muskoka, 558 cm; Gander, 534 cm; Deer Lake, 534 cm; and Bathurst, 510 cm (record). Other locations with new seasonal snowfall records were: St. Leonard (492 cm); Trois-Rivières (457.6 cm); Montréal-Mirabel International Airport (375.6 cm); Trenton (270.8 cm); Kitchener-Waterloo (251.9 cm); and Toronto Buttonville Municipal Airport (250.8 cm).
2. http://www.ec.gc.ca/meteo-weather/default.asp?lang=En&n=B2EA41B2-1
http://www.ec.gc.ca/meteo-weather/default.asp?lang=En&n=4CE24D99-1
Yet the gang in CANCUN and WMO are telling the world that this is record warm year and they went out their way to point out how warm winters we have in Canada. Talk about our world governments and their global warming alarmists being out of tune with the world they live in .
Has snow ever fallen in Cancun?
If you look at the latest Ocean SST map, there has been significant switch in temperatures in the North Atlantic, the Gulf of Mexico and leading up to Europe. Ocean SSTs are quite a bit cooler surrounding Europe for example.
It looks like this is La Nina cooling setting in. The atmospheric cooling of a La Nina impacts the Tropics directly with its east-west winds and then it also bleeds off to the north, northeast and south east which is the pattern showing up now.
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2010/anomnight.12.6.2010.gif
I wonder how many bathing suits have been brought to Cancun but won’t be worn.
I think that’s all the doing of the negative Arctic Osscillation. Air off the eastern US gets pushed westward into Canada. Last winter from mid January on the “Arctic outbreaks” in New Hampshire was just recycled maritime air. Further west in the Central US (including Florida) missed that and got full force Arctic air.
Here’s hoping for low heating bills again. (Caveat – here’s hoping for lotsa snow too, new snowblower gets delivered today!)
Although pro-CAGW folks get called warmists, they’re actually anti-warming and constantly praying for a reduction in temperatures. So when you accumulate a critical mass of anti-warming believers they presumably generate anti-heat, as demonstrated at the last two COPs and too a lesser extent, during the passing of the UK’s econonomic destruction. I mean Climate Change Act.
Some climate scientists already have peer-reviewed papers demonstrating how strong belief allows temperatures to be inverted with ease, and these have been widely accepted by the anti-warming community as evidence of climate change. This is after all the root of the ‘hide the decline’ problem which clearly demonstrates how a negative signal is proof of anti-heat. It’s warming, but not warming as has been classicly understood.
As this is a somewhat radical hypothesis, further research funds are necessary to enable me to conduct an in-depth study involving travel to exotic destinations and locking anti-warming believers in warehouses. This will be a controlled experiment replicating the trade show environment as seen in Copenhagen and Cancun. Limited communications will be allowed from inside the climate labs to prevent contamination. Myself and a team of dedicated researchers will perform a thorough detection and attribution study to determine if there are any changes to night time temperatures or nightlife, and beaches to determine impact on sea levels. 10 years of data collected at the most topical, tropical hot spots around the equator should allow this theory to be tested in a scientific manner.
Cash, cheques or paypal accepted, sorry, no carbon tokens.
Bill, it’s that southward flow of cold water that makes me go hmmmmm. If this cold water stays around during the next ice buildup season down there, we might see the beginnings of Antarctic ice bridges, something that has declined in previous decades. If those bridges begin to build up, even in places we haven’t seen in our life times, is it possible we might see the beginnings of an ice bridge crossing the Antarctic strait? And might this deflect the rather chilly circumpolar current into the Atlantic at a greater volume than currently is the case? And might this infusion of cold water substantially cool the Atlantic ocean?
Is the carnival barker named Joe Romm reporting this news? Or is he still clinging to ice stories? When he attacks Joe Bastardi, the Gore effect fights back.
@Ripper:
“Every time something like this occurs I exclaim “There is a God””
Not only that, He must have a sense of humor too 🙂
Perhaps next time they can schedule their little shindig in Hades, ought to be pretty safe against chilly conditions there.”
Not if Al Gore shows up ;o)
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It is unlikely that Al would turn up. He once said that he would not go there unless Hell froze over!
Tom in not so warm Florida says:
December 8, 2010 at 5:00 am
Funny how they are always grown in hot climates, eh?
Some seem to respond well to cold, such as satsumas, but most like warm, warm, warm!
(Excuse me for repeating myself, but previously it was at the end of threads.)
Larry, Moe, and Curly say, “Cancun spelled backwards is nuc nac.”
I well remember the northern European temperatures during the Copenhagen summit and would plead with delegates not to have any more of these meetings because the UK is affected once again and cannot cope with these conditions. Perhaps the anomalies are due to God, compensating for a global gust of very hot air emanating from the conference centre.
Too many vacationing from Western Canada in Mexico? Several thousand vacationers from Saskatchewan alone could take the mercury down half a dozen degrees… until they warmed up of course.
Brian Gaze, of independent forecaster The Weather Outlook, said: ‘This cold spell is a once-in-a-lifetime event. We’ll probably never see it again.’”
Didn’t they say the same about last February – March’s record lows and record snows, which saw the Scottish ski resorts busy until May? The same ski resorts which were threatened with extinction due to global warming less than 10 years ago…
Proof that God has a sense of humor! hahahahahahaha
I’m afraid that all these cool temperatures will do little in the campaign against the warmists.Already I have heard the UK transport minister saying that he will ‘get advice’ about future ‘snow events’ due to global warming..this will definately be the future tactic
The UK climate change minister, Chris Huhne is returning home early from Cancun to vote in the Commons. Looks like Cameron’s priority is getting the bill on University fees through rather than letting Chris freeze in Cancun.
Chris’ constituents will be upset, they sent him a “massive” petition before he left….
“Eastleigh public call on Chris Huhne to think outside the box at UN Climate Conference Eastleigh MP and Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change Chris Huhne, was today presented with a giant petition signed by his constituents before he travels to the 16th UN Climate Change Conference in Cancun, Mexico.
Over 40 local people signed the petition strongly urging Mr Huhne to work with world governments at the talks, to find the vital funds needed to help poor countries adapt to the effects of climate change…..”
Yes that’s right, the massive petition was signed by 40 people.
JEM:
Don’t be too sure about Hades.
Piers Corbyn’s summary for this winter for the UK included the phrase “Hell will freeze over” this winter! http://www.weatheraction.com
I’ve got it! Gore (or someone in his close entourage) is actually a minor cold weather deity in disguise! No wonder he seems to think everywhere is getting hotter.
Sorry. Lost the link for this, but here ’tis anyway.
From The UK Independent of Monday, 20 March 2000, these excerpts from a piece by Charles Onians:
“Britain’s winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.
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“However, the [global] warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become ‘a very rare and exciting event’.
“‘Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,’ he said.”
So, how’s that working out for you in the UK?
That pesky weather. Ultra dry Australia is flooding. The flooding is so bad the coal mines are shut down. Coal prices are going up and China is importing it in huge quantities. Obama is choking drilling and our heating oil is going up while the arctic blasts bring in frigid air. Nothing is cooperating with heating and reduction of energy consumption.
Moral of the story: Karma, like Mother Nature, is a real bitch!
@Larry in Texas: re: coming to Milwaukee… buy and bring even more warm weather gear than you have, it’s cold, cold, cold here!
I’m sorry to have to be the first to bring this up.
Doesn’t ANYONE get the JOKE? It’s HILLARIOUS! Dr. Spencer and Lord M. show up at Cancun. Now aside from some trite jokes about Heck freezing over (and the connection with the Greenies going away..) what we have here (“Son”, must be said with a Cool Hand Luke southern accent.. “IS a classic case of NEGATIVE feedback!”.
Please NOTE how “effective” it is in “controlling” the climate. It’s SO good, that it worked within a period of 48 hours. Personally I think the Brits INTENTIONALLY sent Lord Mockton to Cancun, to try to save themselves from their current winter. (Kind of like throwing Johna out of the boat…) Likewise, look at the Huntsville temp. today:
25°F | °C
Current: Partly Cloudy
Wind: NE at 7 mph
Humidity: 49%
Right off the Weather Channel…
It’s obvious Alabama had to get rid of Dr. Spencer for a while too!
Suggestion: Dr. S and Lord M. should STAY ANOTHER TWO MONTHS in Cancun to save the planet!
The Gore Effect is actually more in line with a thunder storm. Agressive arm waving, hand wringing and oral venting produces a column of super Goral heated air that sucks colder air down causing the Gore Effect cooling. Now just need to produce a model to prove my point and ………
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Ben U. says:
December 8, 2010 at 12:32 am
I believe that the concept of the Gore effect was introduced by Tim Blair, or at least that Tim Blair has believed that he introduced it. Evidence for his having so believed may be provided at a later time. But at the present time I think that it may be time to introduce a further concept: The Gore effect by proxy. Gore’s absence is the clock that ticks louder in the mind when the battery in the actual clock died and went unreplaced. If a sufficient number of Gorish warmists gather and are as boring as Gore in his momentous absence, then they may operate by the same heat sink rules, drain the surrounding energy, and depress the temperature.
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Interesting theory and just as scientific the mechanisms that the warmists think up. I think this calls for a press release generating study.
JEM says:
December 8, 2010 at 12:56 am
‘Perhaps next time they can schedule their little shindig in Hades, ought to be pretty safe against chilly conditions there.’
graphicconception says:
December 8, 2010 at 6:28 am
‘It is unlikely that Al would turn up. He once said that he would not go there unless Hell froze over!’
It has. With a hat tip to the Norwegian commenter who originally put this great link up:
http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Nord-Tr%C3%B8ndelag/Stj%C3%B8rdal/Hell/
What’s actually happening at Cancun is the death of a belief system.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/the-death-of-the-agw-belief-system/
Pointman
Unusually cold weather has settled over Cancun Mexico (MMUN) where this morning the temperature dropped to 50 F and the temperature was under 60 F for 12 consecutive hours. Let’s hope our climate delegates brought some warm clothing. Here is a map for this morning (12 UTC 8 Dec 2010) with Cancun in the lower left:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/marka/sfcplot.cancun.gif
Also note the land breeze over Florida with an offshore wind on both coasts.
NOTE: In Cancun 50 F appears to be a new record low temperature for December, eclipsing the old record of 52.
I was just out plumbing the tower for my wind turbine and the apple trees looked funny. When I checked, I saw little bits of green bud emerging at the end of the little branches. The weather has been mild enough to fool the trees out of dormancy. This is not good. My apples are vanity apples, old trees I’m working on for a couple of dozen apples a year. No sprays, I staple paper bags over each apple to deter he bugs. Works great and pruning helps but there is still some fungus. Strange tree behaviour won’t hurt me, but the blueberry producers may have a poor crop next year. Lets hope there is no more unusual warmth and the buds aren’t damaged.
Ron Bailey at Reason.com is reporting from Cancon. He actually listens to the speechs.
Check out the first days report. As the developed world has a carbon debt of over half a teraton, we owe the undeveloped world $23 trillion!
I hope Lord Moncton got his bananas and enjoyed the sun before the cold snap.
If Al Gore still believes that the arctic sea ice is at risk, then based on this evidence, he should live on it permenantly.
Within a few years, the polar bears will be able to walk across the ice to Iceland, and warm theselves in front of the fiery volcanos.
If all Al’s supporters were to join him at such a camp, out on the arctic ice, the rest of the worlds population would be extremely grateful.
H.R. says:
December 8, 2010 at 2:06 am
JEM says:
December 8, 2010 at 12:56 am
“Nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide.
Perhaps next time they can schedule their little shindig in Hades, ought to be pretty safe against chilly conditions there.”
Not if Al Gore shows up ;o)
The Inuit say that ‘Hell is a cold place’
It looks like we could be going there
Dave from the “Hot” North East of Scotland says:
December 8, 2010 at 2:51 am
@ Brian Johnson uk – as a determined petrol-head, I also thought that e-cars/vehicles would be susceptible to more cold weather problems. However, I was [ admittedly ] interested to see that is not the case as shown here….
http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1052024_electric-cars-cant-handle-cold-weather-myth-busted
But I still like my hydrocarbon fuelled, mobile plant food generator.
Last winter a relative took 4 hours to drive 15 miles in a freezing blizzard. I have a vision of electric cars scattered out of power on a long lonely snowy road. You cannot bring them a gallon of fuel; the only way back is to be towed.
Hahaha….. You couldn’t make this stuff up…:-)
The AGW ship is certainly sinking…. The band’s still playing, but most of the passengers have slipped away to the life boats.
roger says: “We in the UK should write to the Dept. of Energy and Climate Change with a copy to our MP to let them know in no uncertain terms that we are not taking this cr#p any longer.”
And
ifwhen your MPs reply with nothing but hand-wringing and pious verbosity, what then?Thanks, Pointman.
He’s written an interesting post, “Profile of the Climategate Whistleblower,” here:
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/profile-of-the-climategate-whistleblower/
Another year, another climate change conference where 100% of the participants have the same thing in common. Them, their policy and the science employed in academia is literally blind to temperature. That is how the C02 theory came to be.
Meteorologists keep it pretty simple that weather is the basic interaction of cold and warm air with water vapor. If we heat the air unnaturally, we will change that formula and heat the atmosphere which will change climate. Changing climate means exactly that which includes cold, snow and weather severity.
Global warming = a source of heat
Meteorologists supply design temperatures through building codes and they tell us to watch out for solar radiation. If we don’t reflect the solar radiation to keep it harmless, building development will be radiated and generate heat.
In doing studies in over 25 states and 7 provinces, we found the cause of urban heat islands to be buildings being radiated because of a paint color, exterior finish or lack of shade. It was also the rule and not the exception that buildings were radiated first thing in the morning until the sun went down. The bigger contradiction was industry responding to the symptoms with massive energy waste producing more emissions.
As long as the sun shines, the radiation of buildings continues even in the winter. I am going to refer you to a link that will show advanced infrared imaging that shows the solar exposed side of a building 132 degrees F on a 10 degree F day reported by the meteorologist. That is 120 degrees F warmer than the atmosphere and heating the atmosphere without emissions produced. Canada isn’t passing on this information because they have are spending 100s of millions to capture carbon and unfortunately they have put political party first. Capturing carbon that isn’t being produced is useless.
Cancun is reporting 7 degree temperature rise will costs 100s of billions, what does 120 degrees do? Go to this link and put your mouse over the picture and the infrared image will show up.
http://www.thermoguy.com/urbanheat.html
This is now lectured in medical academia for education credits health professionals need for licensing in Canada as well as the US.
Jason says: “Chris [Huhne’s] constituents will be upset, they sent him a “massive” petition before he left…Yes that’s right, the massive petition was signed by 40 people.”
But they wrote on a large sheet of foolscap. And in crayon, of course–the attendants won’t let them have anything sharp.
Henry chance says:
December 8, 2010 at 7:54 am
That pesky weather. Ultra dry Australia is flooding.
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But the rain arrived a couple of hours too late at the Adelaide Oval for Oz to be saved.
KD in Milwaukee said at 7:54 am
Karma, like Mother Nature, is a real bitch!
Karma is unisex, a REAL bastardly bitch.
and –
@Larry in Texas: re: coming to Milwaukee… buy and bring even more warm weather gear than you have, it’s cold, cold, cold here!
Including a couple of babushkas of course….
I knew it
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/29/climate-craziness-cools-in-cancun/#comment-539874
“We should have whip-around to see if we can raise enuf money to buy big AL a ticket to Cancun so that it will snow.”
WUWT mentioned on the excellent Maggie’s Farm.
Would they please schedule the next conference in August in Texas? We could use some snow about then. Do you think Mother Nature really enjoys goofing on these clowns or what?
I agree with bill blair and disagree with Pointman.
Thus far, none of what’s happened has dented the belief in AGW. There’s just a growing frustration that the message isn’t getting out – obviously due to some fringe skeptics and their corporate sponsors. The cold? It’s just a local effect.
This saga still has a ways to go.
From Joe Bastardi WEDNESDAY
HOW COLD IS IT?
Gavin Partridge has supplied the details:
The central England Temperature (CET) from the 1st-7th of December is -1.9, making this the coldest opening week of December since 1879; 1879 is the coldest opening week on CET record, so this week has been the second coldest opening week to December since CET records began in 1659.
The two-week period, last week of November and first week of December is the coldest since CET records began in 1659.
My addition:
I guess when a lot of us started speculating about going back to the time of the Victorian era… we underestimated it.
Ciao for now
http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather
Meanwhile, very similar to last winter, we are seeing some record warmth in parts of Greenland:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/BGSF/2010/12/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
Some 30+ degrees above normal in parts of Greenland. High pressure over the Arctic (really in place for much of the year to one level or another) is sending waves of cold arctic air down south. This high pressure over the Arctic is related to the the general atmospheric “anomaly” we’ve seen over the Arctic developing for some time as warmer temps in the troposphere are affecting pressure gradients. This same kind of phenomenon is related to the blocking highs that brought the heat wave to Russia and even the flooding to Pakistan earlier this summer.
Is this change in the tropospheric pressure gradients causing the large “anomalous” blocking high pressure systems parking themselves over the Arctic and other area related to AGW? Too early to say, but merits much further study…
62 degrees here in the Denver area today, thanks La Nina!
It sure beats last year when we had a cool summer, skipped autumn, and went straight into a cold winter, followed by a cold spring. I didn’t think I would ever warm up!
If we don’t get some moisture soon though, we’ll have to water the garden.
“…but merits much further study..”
All at the taxpayer’s expense, no doubt. And, like sea level study records, subject to whatever changes are needed to forward the AGW narrative.
Philip Foster says:
JEM:
Don’t be too sure about Hades.
Piers Corbyn’s summary for this winter for the UK included the phrase “Hell will freeze over” this winter! http://www.weatheraction.com
Well, we have our Hell too:
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=hell&wuSelect=WEATHER
It’s in Michigan, and yes, it’s frozen over… 26 F -3 C
http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KMIPINCK5&month=12&day=8&year=2010
(Well, someone had to say it… 😉
They’ve definitely been Gored. Cancun broke another min temp today:
Actual: Average : Record :
Min Temperature 50 °F 64 °F 53 °F (2003)
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/MMUN/2010/12/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
Last night -unofficially- the temp hit -3C here in the mountains of Costa Rica!
SGore Card: “snafu explained” here****.
AGW: 1.
Modellers: ****snafu.
“Environment Canada said that once the storm system switched course, it threw off their computer projections.”
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“Extreme forecast snafu explained”
“MONTREAL – Environment Canada admits its weather forecast for Montreal was way off base after the city was hit with 25 cm of snow on Tuesday when the city was expecting just 5 cm.
The federal agency blames the 20 cm difference on an unpredictable weather system that was supposed to miss the metropolis but instead hit it head-on. The storm shut down schools and caused hundreds of road accidents, including one that was deadly.
Environment Canada said that once the storm system switched course, it threw off their computer projections.
“Normally, this type of storm begins in the east and then heads west but the opposite happened,” meteorologist Rene Heroux told QMI Agency. “The digital model that we use to make our forecasts had more difficulty tracking the system.””
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/12/08/16475341.html
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****snafu:
“Definition of SNAFU (Meaning of SNAFU), a 5 Letter Word ****
SNAFU: Review the definition, meaning, pronunciation, explanation, synonyms, and antonyms of the term SNAFU in the Online Dictionary. What is a 5 letter word that starts with S?
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/snafu
Cancun setting record lows? I really don’t want to believe it’s a predictor, but the record of Post Normals/Progressives getting things exactly the opposite of reality is beginning to mount up. Maybe their vigorous opposition to truth – truth, such as it is or can ever be – is so hypersensitive that they can actually show what truth is by opposing it?
For me, it’s downright uncanny how wrong the Progressives are.
Warming…
http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01054/wededcar08co1_1054966cl-8.jpg
R. Gates says:
December 8, 2010 at 11:54 am
Is this change in the tropospheric pressure gradients causing the large “anomalous” blocking high pressure systems parking themselves over the Arctic and other area related to AGW? Too early to say, but merits much further study…
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What “AGW”???
Show us the hard data. You won’t because you can’t.
The blocking phenomenon merits further study, of course.
But it has happened many, many, MANY times in the past climes. Hardly unusual.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Even warmists have got to laugh at the irony, don’t you think? I still think they should bring their next conference to Nunuvut in January and experience first hand what a melting Arctic feels like.
JPeden says:
December 8, 2010 at 2:19 pm
“For me, it’s downright uncanny how wrong the Progressives are.”
If you are always losing, start doing the opposite of what you used to do.
I would suggest, instead, to ban glucose and all its derivatives, as it increases the probability of diabetes and causes everybody to grow fat. [/sarc off]
A well timed Gore affect does much more to sway the minds of the public that ten books by Dr. Richard Lindzen. Could God be trying to tell Al Gore something?
George Monbiot certainly feels God is NOT on his side. See
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/dec/02/cancun-climate-change-summit-monbiot
Some quotes from the article:
“Now He’s at it again. Last week, just before the resumption of last year’s failed climate talks, the UK recorded its lowest temperature for 25 years, just down the road from where I live.”
“God, alongside half the corporate world and many of its most powerful legislators, has declared war on the climate talks.”
All we need now is a solar eclipse so I can use the phrase:
Let the b$tds freeze in the dark.
I know none of the AGW skeptics want to believe that a cold Europe and cold U.S. in the winter can have anything to do with the atmospheric pressure changes that could be related to global warming, but here is a good read from June of this year for those who want to be a bit more open minded:
http://www.physorg.com/news195485722.html
The sequence of high pressure systems that we’ve seen more or less parked over the Arctic for much of th past year is unusual it both intensity, duration, and extent, and could very well be related to the so-called “Dipole Anomaly” that we’ve discussed on occasion here on WUWT and even tangentially to the Russian heat have from this summer. It is of course, all to easy to look at colder weather in Europe or America and say “what global warming!?” but when it is warmer further north from you, (such as Greenland, which is seeing record warmth in parts this week), you might want to look for mechanisms, and if there is some plausible mechanism suggested (such as mentioned in the article above), it would seem like an open minded person would care to at least consider it.
JER0ME:{December 8, 2010 at 6:29 am}
My post was ” Just a reminder. Citrus fruit requires cold weather to sweeten. It evolved that way for a reason.”
You said: “Funny how they are always grown in hot climates, eh?
Some seem to respond well to cold, such as satsumas, but most like warm, warm, warm!”
Please note that I did not refer to growing citrus, I referred to how it sweetens with cold weather. Obviously cold weather is part of the natural variation in areas where citrus grows. So nothing really unusual about this weather in my part of Florida, I just hate it.
I am no longer an Atheist. I believe in Gaia, and I believe She is pissed that these hubris-driven humans assert that they are more powerful than she in controlling the weather. But Gaia, being great and merciful, only expresses her anger with a little bit of cold at these humans’ homelands (Europe, NA) and vacation spots Cancun.
Of course, if they keep it up She will show them real climate change: a good ol’ Ice age.
R. Gates, once again you are talking about something you think is new and/or unusual, but those of us who have widely read about Arctic weather systems in tandem with ENSO factors see nothing unusual about the current scenario. Even if your CO2 warmed theory has merit, the AGW enhanced warming you speak of is well within the natural variation of such temperature differences. You propose a theory without merit.
R. Gates says:
December 8, 2010 at 4:47 pm
I know none of the AGW skeptics want to believe that a cold Europe and cold U.S. in the winter can have anything to do with the atmospheric pressure changes that could be related to global warming, but here is a good read from June of this year for those who want to be a bit more open minded:
http://www.physorg.com/news195485722.html
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Been there done that read that.
Nothing new under the sun.
As far as “open-minded” you are really trying to be the flea…trying to wag the tail….which is trying to wag the dog, aren’t you?
The open minded individual is the one who can weed out the weak theories and conjectures….in a search for the truth.
And the weak theory (conjecture) du jour is the bumbling 800 pound gorilla named CAGW that is trying to stomp out everything in the room.
It may be powerful, because it is well-fed and well-funded to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. But it knows its days are numbered.
Natural Selection will take care of that.
In the meantime, we have significant blocking in the arctic, this one named Rex maybe the next one that comes along named Omega.
But big ******* deal they have been there many many many MANY times before.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
What I am wondering…If one would see this cold through 17th century European eyes, so without knowing the temperature anomaly pushing temperatures in the Arctic and other less ventured places (in those times). Would there be some ice-age scare already?
Or..
Is there a possibility that during the LIA there was some +30 degrees anomaly sitting at the Arctic pushing the ‘Global Temperature Anomaly’ up to todays values (based on the current baseline)…
It is probably better to define the average temperature (anomaly) to a scale at most being a climate zone, then to an ‘Average Global Temperature (Anomaly)’ me thinks.
R Gates!
Do you see any trend in the AO over the last 60 years??
http://www.climate4you.com/AirPressureVariations.htm#The%20Arctic%20Oscillation%20(AO)
No trend whatsoever.
Incredible variability from the the peaks of 1990 etc and the troughs of this year (not shown on this graph) and back in 77.
But no trend….except that every season is trending toward…being highly variable.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
December 8 data for Cancun, says that the temperature hit 50 degrees F.
Check out the graph.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/MMUN/2010/12/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
This is the coolest December temperature reading in Cancun since records have been kept.
Crazy weather.
Of course….this is all caused by CO2 no doubt.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
John McManus says:
December 8, 2010 at 9:02 am
John and everybody else who makes comments about “conditions here”, please tell us where “here” is.
Thanks.
IanM
E.M.Smith says:
December 8, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Philip Foster says:
JEM:
Don’t be too sure about Hades.
Piers Corbyn’s summary for this winter for the UK ….
Here’s a 5 minute video of that 2010/11 winter summary:
“R. Gates says:
December 8, 2010 at 4:47 pm”
Threads on other blogs attribute the bush fires in Israel to AGW when in fact it was started by a 14 year old boy, lead to a fire storm and killed ~40 people. But any fire or hot weather anywhere is proof of AGW right?
I think God looks down every once in a while to humor Al Gore and remind him that God alone control the thermostat on this planet that He created.
I cannot see it any other way. It is a 100% continuous pattern so far. I am starting to believe the Old Rabbi that always said “coincidence is not a kosher word”
Arnie Madsen
Manitoba Canada
Polar Bear Capitol of the world.
5000 Polar bear count in 1945
25,000 Polar bear count in 2008
…. not counting the two in Al Gore’s propaganda film.
… be careful who you believe folks. Best regards.
Please look at the past before commenting on the present.
and recently the experts have declared:
rw says: December 8, 2010 at 11:50 am
“Thus far, none of what’s happened has dented the belief in AGW. There’s just a growing frustration that the message isn’t getting out – obviously due to some fringe skeptics and their corporate sponsors. The cold? It’s just a local effect.”
A classic stage one response (denial) with a touch of stage two (anger – blaming someone else). Notice the term “belief” used as well …
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/the-death-of-the-agw-belief-system/
Pointman
Jimbo, Pamela Gray, Patrick Davis, et al…..
Of course R Gates will not (can not) respond to any of your excellent posts above, because the moment he senses the heat in the kitchen, he evaporates.
Can’t stand the heat, eh, R?
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
rw says:
December 8, 2010 at 11:50 am
Thus far, none of what’s happened has dented the belief in AGW. There’s just a growing frustration that the message isn’t getting out – obviously due to some fringe skeptics and their corporate sponsors. The cold? It’s just a local effect.
This saga still has a ways to go.
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Pshaw!
Could it be that the reason the “message isn’t getting out”….because it just ain’t true??
And this “saga” only has mileage because of Global Groupthink Disorder or “GGD”.
Such might be an appropriate syndrome name explaining the masses of media, organizations, and yes, even some of the elect, the “scientists”…who like chicken littles all over the planet are running around yelling: the “the world is warming!” the ice caps are melting!” “the oceans are rising!” “the oceans are turning to acid!”
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Ian:
Sorry: I posted twice in this thread but the comments are seperated by lots of others.
I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. I said Nova Scotia ( most people know it’s in Canada) but I didn’t specify in the second post because it was on the same subject. I will do better in the future.
We have lived here for 10 years. The creek I walk down to with the dogs each morning froze over completely until 2004. Since then it has come close but has not frozen completely. We’ll see this year.
Hudson Bay factory records have a long ( 200 year+) record of river freeze and thaw dates. Canadian rivers have lost a month or more of winter freeze over time.
The “Gore Effect” may be bringing cold to Cancun and northern Europe,but thanks to Ryan’s wonderful graphic we can see it kept and is keeping southern Europe anomalously warm.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Easterbrook-Cartoon.jpg.png
“Gore effect by proxy” – turns out that Tim Blair already came up with that one. He has a new post “Six Days of Gore” today in which he links to a Web cache of his January 16, 2007 post “Gore Effect by Proxy”.